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CAN I GET A HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Started by Tombstones81, April 01, 2012, 05:23:46 PM

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dropitlow88

hopefully it uploads before i have to work lol, i'd like to compare it to the sounds mine made keep it up man, i know its hard to do, easy to say over a computer but you'll get it. the problem is specific to this engine it seems, which is why i suggested the stator check, etc. you might have a broken wire somewhere causing an intermittent issue which is even harder to track. check your wires, specifically stator and cdi wires

Tombstones81

#21
its uploaded.

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=3597411095133

posting again since its on the first page.

(edit)
started ticking too when I first started it in the video.
it didnt prior to that.

(edit)
the timing is perfectly set and the valve clearances are fine.
but it was a lil hard to crank the motor by hand at one point in the rotation.
not Too hard but enough to get my attention.
94 GS500
01 Engine
Personally repainted!  (Traded)

87 Honda VF700C Magna
(Super Magna)

dropitlow88

sounds like the timing is off. that spitting noise sounds like backfiring through the intake.or it could be valves to tight after they seat themselves in. idk. i'd like to hear others inputs. also while idling it sounds like it only running on one cylinder.

Tombstones81

#23
thank you.
Guess im going to be checking it Again! (timing and valves)

I really have no comprehensible clue as to How so many problems arise when I am doing everything Perfectly!

timing was set correctly.
valves were straight and sealing 100% last time the head ran in the old engine. (also looked at them before I put them on the new engine)
clearances are ALL between .04mm and .08mm

and last, I checked the carbs.
took the cover off the floats, all were good.
cover off the tops.. diaphrams ok and lil O rings.

plenty of good fuel and lines are fine.
petcocks all open on tank and side.
fuel is flowing freely
and the gas cap open helps none.

(edit)
oh yeah.
am I supposed to be able to blow air thru the fuel intake line of the carbs?
with the throttle closed or open.
I put my mouth on that yucky sucker where the fuel line attaches and couldnt blow air through it.
94 GS500
01 Engine
Personally repainted!  (Traded)

87 Honda VF700C Magna
(Super Magna)

cbrfxr67

"Its something you take apart in 2-3 days and takes 10 years to go back together."
-buddha

dropitlow88

Quote from: Tombstones81 on April 02, 2012, 09:58:35 AM
thank you.
Guess im going to be checking it Again! (timing and valves)

I really have no comprehensible clue as to How so many problems arise when I am doing everything Perfectly!

timing was set correctly.
valves were straight and sealing 100% last time the head ran in the old engine. (also looked at them before I put them on the new engine)
clearances are ALL between .04mm and .08mm

and last, I checked the carbs.
took the cover off the floats, all were good.
cover off the tops.. diaphrams ok and lil O rings.

plenty of good fuel and lines are fine.
petcocks all open on tank and side.
fuel is flowing freely
and the gas cap open helps none.

(edit)
oh yeah.
am I supposed to be able to blow air thru the fuel intake line of the carbs?
with the throttle closed or open.
I put my mouth on that yucky sucker where the fuel line attaches and couldnt blow air through it.
if the carbs are full of gas no. needle and seat must be working properly then. My vote is still timing or valves too tight.

Tombstones81

#26
kk that was SCARYYYYYYYY!!!

after letting it idle for awhile and messing with the idle screw etc.
then draining the carbs (float lvl is ok)

it seemed to act a lil better.
so I jumped on it and it was getting enough power to get up to around 4K without boggin.
so I took it for a spin within 25 yards of where I work on it.

started boggin so I just opened the friggin throttle up.
all of a sudden the RPMs shot up and seemed to act good then.

before I can continue testing (head cover is leaking oil as its not tight enough)
I took it back as it was smoking Wayyy too much from oil on the headers.

soon as I parked it I revved it up again to around 9 or 10K (didnt expect it to)
when WHOOSH! hahaha
I hear the headers ignite!!!

oil? or did gas leak somehow?

scared the holy hell out of me!
nothin nearby but i blew it out....

shoulda left it BURN!!!

dunno, letting it cool before seeing it whatever it was naturally got fixed...

(edit)
was acting fine minus some weird sounds for a little while.
left it cool and was going to make a video of Those sounds....
but now its back to bogging......
94 GS500
01 Engine
Personally repainted!  (Traded)

87 Honda VF700C Magna
(Super Magna)

dropitlow88

Have you pulled your plugs again to inspect? What color are they?

bombsquad83

This is a similar behavior to when I first picked up my bike from the PO.  It would bog down above 6k, and then sometimes catch again if you could get past it with WOT.  I pulled the carbs and realized that it had a 145 main jet and 2 washers with a stock exhaust  :cookoo:.  Obviously it was running very rich.  Not sure if that helps you at all, but might want to do some checking around your carbs.  Maybe your slide is stuck open?  Floats stuck?

Tombstones81

#29
float lvl is fine.

def not rich.
have a K&N open air filter and Cobra F1s slipon.
with 130 mains and 40 pilots.
nothing but stock as the needles are concerned.

plugs look fine as well.
and after it running, they are not soaked in gas as if too rich or discolored to indicate such.

and im surprised nobody laughed that I actually caught my bike on Fire now!!!

I mean come on!

EVERYTHING else has gone wrong with the bike.
I had to light the sucker up sometime or another! hahahahaha

Stupid instincts!!!
I didnt think.
I simply shut the bike off, put the stand down as fast and I could, noticed nothing to use to put it out with....
so I just started huffin and puffin on it hahahaha

didnt make anymore progress today tho.
I just gave up for the day and went out.
just got back now.

(edit)
but yeah.
tomorrow if I get to it.
I'll check to make sure the needles are fine.

and warm compression test was fine.

I just hope the or a valve didnt get messed up like the previous head as its acting the same as that one was....
94 GS500
01 Engine
Personally repainted!  (Traded)

87 Honda VF700C Magna
(Super Magna)

Big Rich

Is there anything wrong with your slides? For the motor to bog, then rev way up.........I dunno man.

Have you tried swapping coils and plugs? A loose electrical connection could have connected,  then revved the motor up.
83 GR650 (riding / rolling project)

It's opener there in the wide open air...

Tombstones81

Quote from: Big Rich on April 02, 2012, 08:35:05 PM
Is there anything wrong with your slides? For the motor to bog, then rev way up.........I dunno man.

Have you tried swapping coils and plugs? A loose electrical connection could have connected,  then revved the motor up.

I got One extra coil with the 89 motor.

I've swapped it once with the right one with no luck but i'll see how they act swapping with the left.

if anything possible with electrical, I have a tester.
Just point me in the right direction. hahaha
94 GS500
01 Engine
Personally repainted!  (Traded)

87 Honda VF700C Magna
(Super Magna)

Big Rich

You could check primary and secondary resistance of the coils with a tester, but I doubt they are bad (and doesn't explain a bogging motor anyway).

I'm assuming you've pulled the plugs on each side while it's running? Do yourself a favor - use insulated pliers and don't touch the bike with your other hand........
83 GR650 (riding / rolling project)

It's opener there in the wide open air...

Tombstones81

#33
Quote from: Big Rich on April 02, 2012, 08:45:43 PM
You could check primary and secondary resistance of the coils with a tester, but I doubt they are bad (and doesn't explain a bogging motor anyway).

I'm assuming you've pulled the plugs on each side while it's running? Do yourself a favor - use insulated pliers and don't touch the bike with your other hand........

yeah I've pulled the plug wires off the plugs while it was running.
the left one and it kept running with the right.
the right one would stall the bike.
94 GS500
01 Engine
Personally repainted!  (Traded)

87 Honda VF700C Magna
(Super Magna)

Big Rich

Ok, so it's only running on the left cylinder - at least for the majority of the time. The exhaust and the stock airbox are shared, so remove them from them equation. If the compression is good on the right side along with the valves, the only things left are the carbs need work (which I REALLY doubt) or the electrical system.

The electrical system is : spark plugs, coils, igniter/ CDI box, and the pickup sensor at the end of the crank. Which of those might need looked at (or looked at again)?
83 GR650 (riding / rolling project)

It's opener there in the wide open air...

Tombstones81

actually its running on both All the time.
the low sound it made while running on only the right cylinder...
I've Never heard that before until then.
94 GS500
01 Engine
Personally repainted!  (Traded)

87 Honda VF700C Magna
(Super Magna)

Big Rich

Sorry Tomb, I can't watch vids on FB on my phone - the speakers don't do any justice.

I thought you said it stalled if you pulled the right plug wire?
83 GR650 (riding / rolling project)

It's opener there in the wide open air...

Tombstones81

Quote from: Big Rich on April 02, 2012, 09:00:31 PM
Sorry Tomb, I can't watch vids on FB on my phone - the speakers don't do any justice.

I thought you said it stalled if you pulled the right plug wire?

yeah, the right plug makes it stall.

when I pull the left one, only the right cylinder is working.

how low the sound is when running like that is what I've never heard before.
94 GS500
01 Engine
Personally repainted!  (Traded)

87 Honda VF700C Magna
(Super Magna)

Big Rich

Ahhhh.... sorry.

Personally, I would check and double check every connection on that side. It may be just a bad spark plug boot, or a shady connection around the coil.
83 GR650 (riding / rolling project)

It's opener there in the wide open air...

Tombstones81

#39
I'll check everything over.

but Honestly......
I might just put everything back in my old motor now that I know why it was leaking. (since it ran 100% before but leaked oil badly)
Which was because the copper washers were Shot and I mixed up the engine bolts as I didnt know until like Yesterday that they are differently sized.

So putting good engine gaskets in, using the copper washers from the new engine (which just go down over the studs vs old ones screwed in... MUCH BETTER!)
putting the bolts in the correct way and torqued down 100% correctly..
and tightening up that allen head bolt in the oil filter area.
Then I think she will be golden. (so I THINK as I cant find nothing else to cause a leak)

and finish it off with putting the old motor back in.

afterwards.
get the new motor back up to 100% working condition.
which would include, new gaskets, copper washers, and replace the one exhaust valve that isnt seating properly.

I honestly think my current problems are valve related.
because its acting the Same exact way it did with the previous head with the exhaust valve not sealing.
94 GS500
01 Engine
Personally repainted!  (Traded)

87 Honda VF700C Magna
(Super Magna)

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