Gun Owners?

[slipperymongoose]

Nope but soon I'll have the lithgow la101 in .223 when it's released.

[adidasguy]

      raccoons just never learn......   

[Kiwingenuity]

Well this looks fun...

http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/airborne_combat_engineer/2005/01/the_thunder_50_.html

Not sure I want to try a .50BMG in a handgun.. .50AE is bad enough.. 

[adidasguy]

   



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[yamahonkawazuki]

have zombie ammo in 12ga as well as i think 380

[adidasguy]

Zombie ammo is short supply. Found 9mm and .223 today.
Too bad they don't Coon-max or Possum-max ammo.

[yamahonkawazuki]

forgot about the .223 lol. funny thing is the zombie 12ga is repackaged 00 buck

[adidasguy]

The 9mm is also repackaged Hornady defense ammo except the center is dayglo green plastic rather than red.
Same price. You buy it for the packaging 'cause it's cool!

[yamahonkawazuki]

made for all the crackhead "zombies"

[adidasguy]

NEVER use Zombie Max for personal defense. I can see lawyers having a field day if you used it to protect yourself. Read the fine print! Funny - but you know how anal lawyers can be. Only for zombies - not anything living. They can't take a joke. You know that.

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[yamahonkawazuki]

The 9mm is also repackaged Hornady defense ammo except the center is dayglo green plastic rather than red.
Same price. You buy it for the packaging 'cause it's cool!

we actually have a zombie .223 I believe at the shop. the colourscheme lol. will try and get a picture of it. my phone atm looks like a van gogh painting on acid. ( cant see much of anything so I really don't know it if will turn out lol. )

[adidasguy]

The weapon is not as important (to lawyers) as the ammo. That's why you do NOT EVER use reloads for personal defense. Shoot someone and they will jump on your ass accusing you of loading deadly ammo. You can't prove what was in your gun UNLESS it is factory ammo. I think we even have some laws regarding reloads as personal defense ammo. I believe it is illegal in Washington.

Factory ammo only for concealed carry or bedroom intruder defense.

The ammo causes the damage. The weapon is just a holder for the bullet and has little affect on what it does.

(Anything is OK for them damned 'coons.)

[yamahonkawazuki]

Agreed. not law here for reloads, but CAN be a liability. in this litigious society, = shoot someone count on getting sued

[slipperymongoose]

That sucks big time hey by the sounds of it. If the projectile and load are in the safe ranges of the round why the hell not?

[yamahonkawazuki]

Ehh once a round is shot, cant prove what was in or was not in it. I guess you COULD video each round made.  we do move some .223 factory reloads. but fwiw for home defense, id use new rounds. for recreational shooting id use reloads.

[slipperymongoose]

Well for a carry gun I guess a box of factory ammo is ok but geez you'd think this thing is to save your life you'd want the most effective round doing the most effective job. Something you'd only have to fire once at a target.

[adidasguy]

true - but when you hit someone and do damage lawyers can claim you had rounds designed to do extreme, maximum damage and will rake you over the coals. You can get really effective factory ammo.

One guy said he asks the local cops what they shoot - then buys the same. If you shoot what the cops use, they can not accuse you of using excessively damaging ammo.

Shooting someone is serious so protect your ass before the event. Plan for the worst.

You don't need super damaging ammo. If you have to shoot someone, they will be close to you. (If far away, they can say you could have run away.) Pistols good to 5-10 yards. Beyond that, you should have run away. ANY ammo will do damage at close range. A well placed .22 can kill. Heck, a good air gun can do serious damage. Often a hit will make the intruder flee or be shocked enough you can get off a few more rounds.

While you are protecting yourself with a gun, be ready to protect yourself against the lawyers.

[slipperymongoose]

Not the Wild West anymore hey?

[mister]

If you have to shoot someone, they will be close to you. (If far away, they can say you could have run away.) Pistols good to 5-10 yards. Beyond that, you should have run away. ANY ammo will do damage at close range. A well placed .22 can kill.

Yup, and you could offload a quick 10 rounds of .22 from your Buckmark and they'll be just as dead if it was a 9mm or 45.

If they are 25 yards away and you're shooting them with a pistol, any claim of Self Defense is out the window. 10 yards or less, sure. But more? Unlikely.

Remember folks.... running away is winning. Hanging around is not self defense, it is fighting.

[adidasguy]

Not anymore. Lawyers. Public opinion. A few crazy people ruining it for everyone. Zero tolerance crap where only criminals will have guns.

Fortunately in Washington we can legally open carry anything. Some people freak out but it is perfectly legal even if you don't have a concealed handgun permit. Wear a holster. Sling a rifle over your back. All legal here.

In Washington, we can do private face-to-face cash gun sales with zero registration so you can have guns that are "under the radar". We can't do private sales across state lines.

This state is pretty liberal. If you want goody laws - look at California, Colorado, DC, Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey and Chicago.

So things - some good, some bad. Meh - do what you can and prepare for the Zombie Apocalypse.