Farkling unbelievable spark plugs!

[pave_spectre]

And BEER!!! you forgot the BEER!!!!

[Janx101]

Yes of course Slips! .... Beer!

The rest of the anti's ............. Well thats all I have to say on that ... If this was comments on YouTube .. Someone woulda claimed to be Chip Foose's 3rd cousin on his mothers side and other nonsense ..

If they crap then gloat in the glow of the screen how much money was saved on your bike and wasted on others ...

Of course them that just wanna flog it till the cows come home will keep on keeping on .. And also whatever  modifications are on their OWN bike are completely relevant/justified/bonafide ... Where's the bloody headbutt a brick wall smiley? 

[twocool]

"Science aside"........well that says it all......I mean what would science possible have to do with motorcycle performance , fuel economy, throttle response, etc.?

So far we have a lot of subjective info....that's great....and you can't argue with that...that is why it is subjective.  If you "think" these plugs are better, then I agree, they are better to you.

All I'm looking for is a shred of objective evidence.

Brisk makes the same hollow claims, without much back up.....the do offer two small charts.....one showing very slightly improvement in gas mileage....but I must point out this is so small as to be insignificant IMHO.....but  it is there, so I give them that.

They also show some confusing chart about smoothness.....Brisk has more little lines near the top of the graph........I don't understand what this is actually showing or what it actually does in the real world.

Beyond that, nothing.......

So I will offer a challenge to any takers, and believers out there......

I will run a blind taste test, mythbuster style....

I will pay for the plugs, I will pay for the gas, I will buy lunch.....

Come to Northwest NJ....Take a nice Saturday...we'll do many runs with different plugs....we'll play "name that plug"....the results will be enlightening...

Anyone??


Cookie

science aside... i've noticed that the people that have tried the brisk plug report that they notice a difference (un-qualified of course) .... and those that haven't actually tried them , have every reason known to history why they wont work and cant work ...

I dont think Brisk would market them as having some advantage if they didnt have some advantage... like the renthal people wouldnt market their bars as better .. or pirelli their tyres ... or Smuckers their peanut butter!

demanding scientific evaluation might better be aimed at the company rather than the user.. the company might actually have done some previous testing or something! 

if anyone is happy with real/perceived performance gains for the $ spent then  .. its all good... getting one's knickers in a twist over lack of quantifiable data just because it goes against one's viewpoint is just stress for no reason... someone wants justified data .. let them spend their time/money ...

anyone who is already happy with any change ... whether real/magic/imagined/holy intervention .. then they can be happy.

kinda easy really ...

oh and this being a discussion forum and not a Licensed Testing Authority laboratory ... viewpoints can and of course will differ. 

[Janx101]

Yeah sure I'll fly over from Ozzie to waste my time .. Watch and listen to all the tests ... Then watch the antis firmly say NO .. And the posi ppl say Yes .. Each will still firmly keep their course .. And be completely satisfied with their own choice ... 

SUBJECTIVELY everyone will be satisfied ... OBJECTIVELY it won't make a shred of difference

I have to wonder why the demand for evidence .. Apart from old fashioned sh!t stirring or possibly some perceived insult to another 'pet' brand/type plug.. Or employment by another brand ...

.. And not understanding a chart is nothing to be embarrassed about really .. Not everyone gets it ...

So apart from I really can't be bothered actually flying over for a ultimately futile test day it sounds fine .. Whatever the results it'll still make no difference to each individuals opinion

I'll still buy some when $ allow just cos I can and they still spark plugs so I dare say my bike will run afterwards .

I really gotta stop bothering with offering a viewpoint .. No one really gives a crap ..

I do hope someone takes up the hollow challenge tho .. Mm yep hollow .. Easy to offer if you're reasonably sure it's logistically difficult for many to take up ... Bah humbug

[jestercinti]

I'm a busy father and husband...otherwise, I'd drive over to NJ from OH and take you up on the challenge.  I'd let you pay for my gas while the NJ gas station attendant fills up my tank...

This reminds me of the Coke/Pepsi challenge of the 1980s.  I still remember people saying "how dare they trick me...I always know Coke from Pepsi, and now I feel cheated."

I trust the membership on the board because they have bailed my a$$ out several times when I was ready to throw the toolbox across the garage and take the bike to the dealership.

Have you looked at Consumer Reports?  They might have done something similar on a car.  Why reinvent the wheel?

[The Buddha]

On my virago iridium plugs were more trouble than regular plugs ...
The Plugs with outward shooting spark will burn better but the problem is that I think the plug will give out sooner than the regular ... a lot sooner IMHO.
Cool.
Buddha.

[NortwestRider]

Not sure what there is to settle here ??.One guy likes his Brisk plugs,ok great he's happy end of story !!!!!!!.


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[NortwestRider]

Oh ya I also talked about these plugs over on Stromtrooper and guess what,all the closet scientist came out over there also!!.Hey I like Corona LITE beer,it makes my body feel good BUT I don't have any scientific data to back that up but I would be willing to do some testing !!.


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[dam]

Not sure what there is to settle here ??.One guy likes his Brisk plugs,ok great he's happy end of story !!!!!!!.


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Nothing to settle here. 

[MarkB]

All I'm looking for is a shred of objective evidence.

A quick literature search gets you this abstract: http://baztech.icm.edu.pl/baztech/cgi-bin/btgetdoc.cgi?BUJ5-0034-0003

[twocool]

What to settle is a measurable improvement in "performance".  Hey, these plugs may be the greatest...then again just another bunch of hype.  I don't know....the reports so far look good, but they are subjective.....Pardon me for wanting to look a little deeper!

So far the few who have ventured to "test" the plugs have reported....

66 MPG  (same as you get with standard plugs)

Smoother running...(but undefined, unmeasured)
Easier starting and starting without choke (notable difference, but no real benefit)
Better throttle response..(also undefined and un-measured)

So some logical testing would be easy to do, and show what's what...are these  plugs spectacular? are they just a tiny bit better than standard?  or are the differences so small as to be
noticed?

Anybody in the NJ, N, PA area looking to run some tests...let me know.....Let's get together...it will be fun.....maybe conclusive, maybe not...but at least some factual data can be derived...
Let's do the Dyna bead test too, and the premium gas test too!  and the fat tire test, and the synthetic oil test!


Cookie

Not sure what there is to settle here ??.One guy likes his Brisk plugs,ok great he's happy end of story !!!!!!!.


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[NortwestRider]

I must have missed something,I didn't see where anybody was trying to sell these plugs only people saying THEY found some improvement by useing them.I don't really think the OP could give a S$@;" if anybody agrees with him he's posting what HE found when useing these plugs !!.I love Suzuki's always have and always will but I could care less if anybody agrees with me or not !!.


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[adidasguy]

 The "selling" was the feeling that people thought I was trying to sell them because they kept insisting that I give test results and "hard facts".
Bull. I like them. That's enough. Others like them.

Sorry Cookie - you want tons of data and I no longer care. I don't have time nor the desire to do comparative tests or dyno runs. Buy a pair and try them. Your time in all the postings has probably cost you (or the company you work for) far more in labor costs than the price of 2 Brisk plugs ($34 a pair .vs. bout $14 a pair for others). You want to look deeper: they are not that expensive. Buy a pair and please do your own tests.

Now if I can just remember where I found the place selling the extended mixture screws for Mukini BST33ss carbs.
Though in my search I did fine this SUPER write upon our carbs.
http://faq.f650.com/FAQs/CarbMiscFAQ.htm#Alternative%20Carb%20Parts:

(never mind on that - called Factory-Pro and ordered 3 sets of them. I will report later to start yet another endless "prove it" thread.)

[NortwestRider]

So from now on everytime I talk about a product or service that I like I'm going to include the following disclaimer...

The product or service that I'm about to write about in this thread is NOT sold or marketed by me,I have NO data to back up ANYTHING I say about said product or service.All I can say is that it worked for me and only me.If you choose to try that your choice.




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[adidasguy]

The product or service that I'm about to write about in this thread is NOT sold or marketed by me. I have NO data to back up ANYTHING I say about said product or service. All I can say is that it worked for me and only me. If you choose to try that your choice.

   

[NortwestRider]

Oh ya If anybody wants to copy and paste that disclaimer for there own thread feel free !!.

Alan ..


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[Janx101]

 

[codajastal]

[jestercinti]

Love that pic Codajastal!

Northwestrider...epic post.

[twocool]

OK... will do!

Cookie

The "selling" was the feeling that people thought I was trying to sell them because they kept insisting that I give test results and "hard facts".
Bull. I like them. That's enough. Others like them.

Sorry Cookie - you want tons of data and I no longer care. I don't have time nor the desire to do comparative tests or dyno runs. Buy a pair and try them. Your time in all the postings has probably cost you (or the company you work for) far more in labor costs than the price of 2 Brisk plugs ($34 a pair .vs. bout $14 a pair for others). You want to look deeper: they are not that expensive. Buy a pair and please do your own tests.

Now if I can just remember where I found the place selling the extended mixture screws for Mukini BST33ss carbs.
Though in my search I did fine this SUPER write upon our carbs.
http://faq.f650.com/FAQs/CarbMiscFAQ.htm#Alternative%20Carb%20Parts:

(never mind on that - called Factory-Pro and ordered 3 sets of them. I will report later to start yet another endless "prove it" thread.)