rear wheel balancing with or without sprocket?

[age]

I got a1996 gs500 and I'm about  to changing original tire , bikes got 6979 miles on it, along with front tire. got a a set of kendas coming. the place i bought tires says bring in rear wheel no sprocket, another place i called says the sprocket should be on there. which is it?

i wouldnt havent really thought hard about it until the yellow spot on original tires is across from valve stem and theres a suzuki 20 gram weight next to the valve stem, so i get thinking how can the weight of that sze be on sthe supposed heavy side of rim being the valve stem and old tire being matched to light spot being the yellow dot on original factory tire bridgestone.

all the balancing videos show some with sprocket and some, without and some say should be better with sprocket but a pain as the cush and sproket hub move.

so i was going to change the tire my self and have them balance it but that shop says no sprocket  where i'm getting tire from.
dont know if hes using a static or dynamic balancer. i had originally thought about statically balancing it myself.

but that weight on the supposed heaviest point of the rim from suzuki says that they may balance with the sproket on, becausse suzuki quality cant be that bad or a tire be so out of balance from factory.

so should the sproket be on or off when balancing normally?

[burnchassis]

Do it yourself...you got it ,and just add dyna beads.
But as far as your actual question..I'd say you'd want to change the tire without the sprocket to save it from getting bent is all ,but have it on for balancing.
BUT I really do not know for sure.
-CS

[BassWoW]

Do it yourself...you got it ,and just add dyna beads.
But as far as your actual question..I'd say you'd want to change the tire without the sprocket to save it from getting bent is all ,but have it on for balancing.
BUT I really do not know for sure.
-CS

Can you give a Write up on dynabeads and how to use them and a resource to buy them please?

[burnchassis]

http://www.innovativebalancing.com/index.php

[adidasguy]

Being the internet, I can give my opinion and no one will care but go on for months arguing the point for no reason (I learned that with spark plugs LOL!)

MY SUZUKI DEALER who puts on tires for me (and disposes of the old one) wants the brake rotor on to balance. Does not want the rear sprocket. Rear sprocket is held n my the cush drive - hence it is not in a fixed position and you could never balance a tire with the cush drive flopping around.

[weedahoe]

Since the rotor and sprockets are apart of the rotation. I would balance with them on. It only make sense

I too use balancing beads though. Easy to use, just put the specified amount in the tire and fill it with air.

[age]

he balance it without sprocket and stuck 6x1/4 ounces about 9 inches off air valve using bubble balancer. darn i could have done that i was thinking. i expressed my concern before he started about weight at valve stem. so i figure the tire should have been turned at least one eighty to lower weight . if i have problems i will do it myself.  a static bubble balancer hmmmmmmm .  42grams this seems a bit high to me and from what i've been reading.

[Big Rich]

Being that the cush drive should be perfectly-ish balanced from the factory, that can be taken out of the equation. If your sprocket changes the balancing of the wheel at all - it's junk. So the sprocket and carrier shouldn't make a difference and could be left off.

[weedahoe]

Being that the cush drive should be perfectly-ish balanced from the factory, that can be taken out of the equation. If your sprocket changes the balancing of the wheel at all - it's junk. So the sprocket and carrier shouldn't make a difference and could be left off.

If thats the case, then it wouldnt hurt to leave it on and be sure.

[Big Rich]

You're correct Weedahoe - but if it's balanced with a wonky sprocket in the cush drive and then the cush drive is removed (falls off, whatever) and put on in a different position, then the tire & wheel might not be balanced anymore. Know what I'm saying?

[weedahoe]

Yep, I gotcha now. Makes sense.

[twocool]

The sprocket itself is going to be "in balance" by itself, since it is made of metal and it is a regular shape.  Also it is small in diameter compared to the tire....so any imbalance in the sprocket would be miniscule and even then would have a miniscule effect on the overall balance....

Tires however, are very inconsistent...and that inconsistency happens far from the axle, and has a huge effect on balance. 

Balance with the brake rotor on (because there is no reason to take it off) and with the sprocket off, for the reasons other mentioned ...that it is not firmly mounted.

Then you can look into the "red dot" and the "yellow dot"....Correct placement of the tire onto the rim can minimize the  size of the balancing weights.

Many "experts" don't even bother balancing motorcycle tires......at least for speeds of under 80 or 90 mph.......

You can buy a motorcycle wheel balance rig for like $50 to $100  or make one for about free using bearings from old skate board wheels and a couple of 2X4's, and a steel rod (or use you axle)......

Cookie

[weedahoe]

$31 with online coupon 54533844

http://www.harborfreight.com/motorcycle-wheel-balancing-stand-98488.html

[codajastal]

$31 with online coupon 54533844

http://www.harborfreight.com/motorcycle-wheel-balancing-stand-98488.html

Nice one

[weedahoe]

Yeah, kinda hard to make one at that price plus your time

[twocool]

Nice !

Cookie

$31 with online coupon 54533844

http://www.harborfreight.com/motorcycle-wheel-balancing-stand-98488.html

[age]

yea intially i was going to do it myself but i figured , that buying weights and building a balancer was more then having them balanced it As i only own one bike and just ride it ,

yea will probably build one or buy a HR one with the coupon,

Conclusion      DO IT YOURSELF,  satisfaction guaranteed.

[gsJack]

...................Many "experts" don't even bother balancing motorcycle tires......at least for speeds of under 80 or 90 mph........................

Cookie

I mounted my own motorcycle tires for years with tire irons and a car jack under the side of the car for a bead braker and never balanced them and never had a problem with them.  Never went over 80 mph on those old Hondas, triple digits speeds and 80 mph 400-500 mile days started later on with the GSs and I've had those tires mounted and balanced.

[age]

back tires on still got to do front tire , waiting for shop to get it.

but I have a noise change now in bike, when i beckoffon throttle, most my drivings at city 30 mph. chain is spec on slackness, everything , same as with old tire, i checked all settings before dissembly and wrote down all measurements.
torqued , checked all spacers, i have a shop manual and hayes manual.

i was wondering its  just me , because new tires have different sound , because new, its like sometings travelling up chain , or a boggy sound when you backoff on throttle to slow down.

no vibration, no bumping .
i was running old tire from 16 years on wear bars brater contact area, so new tire running a samer patch handles better, but still wondering if new noise because of new tire or  slight out of balance when backing off on throttle on slow downs. or just new type of road /tire noise?

got about 50 miles on them now, just wondering if common to get a new noise with new tires ??