In 6th gear, click down a couple, next I'm in neutral?

[peterscotts]

How is it a waste of money if the full synth is cheaper than the semi synth? Sure the GS was made to run on mineral oil but its not gonna hurt using something better. People will tell you it is a waste of money running 98 octane in a GS too but I do it. I heard about the "glazing" thing. Apparently it happens if you switch to full synth then go back to a mineral oil. I'm not to clued up on this but mister has been running full synth in his GS forever with no issues.

My thoughts exactly... Just a matter of opinion.. I also run 98 and I'll also us FS... Like I say it's just one opinion to another.. Do what you want to do.. What ever you think is best... What ever you like No one can change your own mind set!   

[peterscotts]

"Told me it is a waste of money to use fully synthetic oil in a GS 500... They use semi synthetic oil when servicing GS 500's that's all they need he stated"

People have been saying the same in here for years  but if full synth makes you feel all warm and fuzzy then go for it, its your cash 

Some will say fresh oil will improve shifts, I agree it might......... but only because its fresh, not because its full synth.

Bike boxes differ from car boxes, the design is totally different, they are sequential and don't have synchros , baulk rings and helical gears so they cannot be compared. Materials and designs related to bike boxes have improved over the years but you have to remember the basic GS5 is decades old and therefore cannot be compared to the latest offerings which have only just come off the drawing board.

False neutrals will happen occasionaly and your bike is brand new which wont help because things are still going to be tight in there 

I wouldn't worry about it at this stage..........unless it starts happening on a regular basis.

So Sledge, what your saying is.. We might as well just use mineral oil as the engine is so old it suits it? What about higher octane fuel, waste of time and monety too? Just asking.. Your opinion. 

[sledge]

Running it on mineral oil wont do it any harm, it was designed to run on mineral oil, just use quality stuff, keep the level up and change it regularly  Then use the money you save for something that you will benefit from....like decent tyres, a new lid, wet weather gear etc.

Some people think that running on full synth will have some miraculous effects on its longevity and performance and that the extra cost is a fair trade.....I am not one of them. However if a GS5 was being used in high ambient temps or if we were talking about a BMW oil-head or the latest R1 or some piece of multivalve fuel injected Italian exotica I might think differently 

As for high octane fuel....its another one that's been done to death in here. Higher octane does not mean higher power. They are for use in high compression engines that generaly are more powerful but in a GS5 it wont make an ounce of difference to its performance. The only thing you will notice is the hole in your wallet 

[crzydood17]

sledge throw a caveat on that, use a higher octane if your going to be pushing your bike hard for a extended period of time. I run 87 for commuting but run 93 (highest in Texas) for track days and canyon carving. It helps keep the engine from predetenating from high heat and extended stress. It can also cause it to run a bit cooler. This is in my F4i(fancy smancy race bike) and my GS500s.

Also, the transmission principals are very similar to a cars, the difference is the dog cut of the teeth and the fact that the forks work in sequence. On every gear there is a gear that is part of the shaft and a gear that is riding on a bearing. When the transmission is turning all the gears are turning in both a car and motorcycle, the difference is the way the shift forks are moved. The gears are all locked to the input or output shafts by the collars that slide between the gears and are moved by the shift forks.

[mister]

Pete,

Ipswich Suzuki uses Motul 5100 as the oil they put in all bikes. Asking them about oil will get you the answer that Motul 5100 is The oil to use and anything better (more pricey) is a waste.

At the end of the day, you use whatever gives you a warm fuzzy feeling inside. Owning a motorcycle is not the Cheap transport non-riders think it is. Service intervals are sooner, tires need changing way more often, chains, sprockets, etc. If you cannot afford the few extra bucks for the fuel/oil you want to make you feel good, you probably cannot afford a bike at all.

All I can say is based on my experience... my bike came with Motul 1000 in it. As I moved up the chain - motul 3100, 5100, and 300v and now Mobile 1, I noticed the following....

#1 - False neutrals became less with each oil upgrade. And not just when the oil was new.

#2 - Changing gears became less effort with each oil upgrade. Smoother gear changes.

#3 - I can now leave my bike in gear, pull in the clutch and push the bike around (when it is stone cold). Try this with your bike I bet you cannot do it.

#4 - That small little lurch that happens when first putting it into gear, or when starting it in gear after a fill up, is no longer there.

Caveat: My bike has over 60,000kms on it and I've put every single one of those clicks on the bikes. Yes, some wearing of things may have had an effect on how the bikes is, my riding style may have fully adapted to more firm gear changes and other unknown factors too.

Also, if you are taking your bike to GC Suzuki to maintain a record for possible warranty, then let them put in whatever they put in. And wait until the 2 years is up before going with different oil. In all reality, there is very little that goes wrong with these bikes. The only thing that happened with mine was a broken spot weld in the headlight housing. It means my round headlight could be moved around by hand as the top spot weld was broken. Changed out for free. I did't even need to sign anything.

If you want to feel what a mobile 1 gear box is like, we'll meet up and you can take my bike through the gears - we're both on the GC so it's pretty easy for us to do.

[peterscotts]

Running it on mineral oil wont do it any harm, it was designed to run on mineral oil, just use quality stuff, keep the level up and change it regularly  Then use the money you save for something that you will benefit from....like decent tyres, a new lid, wet weather gear etc.

Some people think that running on full synth will have some miraculous effects on its longevity and performance and that the extra cost is a fair trade.....I am not one of them. However if a GS5 was being used in high ambient temps or if we were talking about a BMW oil-head or the latest R1 or some piece of multivalve fuel injected Italian exotica I might think differently 

As for high octane fuel....its another one that's been done to death in here. Higher octane does not mean higher power. They are for use in high compression engines that generaly are more powerful but in a GS5 it wont make an ounce of difference to its performance. The only thing you will notice is the hole in your wallet 

Thanks Sledge! 

[peterscotts]

Pete,

Ipswich Suzuki uses Motul 5100 as the oil they put in all bikes. Asking them about oil will get you the answer that Motul 5100 is The oil to use and anything better (more pricey) is a waste.

At the end of the day, you use whatever gives you a warm fuzzy feeling inside. Owning a motorcycle is not the Cheap transport non-riders think it is. Service intervals are sooner, tires need changing way more often, chains, sprockets, etc. If you cannot afford the few extra bucks for the fuel/oil you want to make you feel good, you probably cannot afford a bike at all.

All I can say is based on my experience... my bike came with Motul 1000 in it. As I moved up the chain - motul 3100, 5100, and 300v and now Mobile 1, I noticed the following....

#1 - False neutrals became less with each oil upgrade. And not just when the oil was new.

#2 - Changing gears became less effort with each oil upgrade. Smoother gear changes.

#3 - I can now leave my bike in gear, pull in the clutch and push the bike around (when it is stone cold). Try this with your bike I bet you cannot do it.

#4 - That small little lurch that happens when first putting it into gear, or when starting it in gear after a fill up, is no longer there.

Caveat: My bike has over 60,000kms on it and I've put every single one of those clicks on the bikes. Yes, some wearing of things may have had an effect on how the bikes is, my riding style may have fully adapted to more firm gear changes and other unknown factors too.

Also, if you are taking your bike to GC Suzuki to maintain a record for possible warranty, then let them put in whatever they put in. And wait until the 2 years is up before going with different oil. In all reality, there is very little that goes wrong with these bikes. The only thing that happened with mine was a broken spot weld in the headlight housing. It means my round headlight could be moved around by hand as the top spot weld was broken. Changed out for free. I did't even need to sign anything.

If you want to feel what a mobile 1 gear box is like, we'll meet up and you can take my bike through the gears - we're both on the GC so it's pretty easy for us to do.

Thanks for the input mister...

I'll do that for the 1st couple of years and see where we go from there...

Re- #3 -

I can now leave my bike in gear, pull in the clutch and push the bike around (when it is stone cold). Try this with your bike I bet you cannot do it.

Tried it..

I too can push it around, just a fraction harder.

Prolly do that one day.. ( meet up and you can take my bike through the gears)

Thanks for the offer... What part of the Goldie you on mister?

[mister]

Pete,

Ipswich Suzuki uses Motul 5100 as the oil they put in all bikes. Asking them about oil will get you the answer that Motul 5100 is The oil to use and anything better (more pricey) is a waste.

At the end of the day, you use whatever gives you a warm fuzzy feeling inside. Owning a motorcycle is not the Cheap transport non-riders think it is. Service intervals are sooner, tires need changing way more often, chains, sprockets, etc. If you cannot afford the few extra bucks for the fuel/oil you want to make you feel good, you probably cannot afford a bike at all.

All I can say is based on my experience... my bike came with Motul 1000 in it. As I moved up the chain - motul 3100, 5100, and 300v and now Mobile 1, I noticed the following....

#1 - False neutrals became less with each oil upgrade. And not just when the oil was new.

#2 - Changing gears became less effort with each oil upgrade. Smoother gear changes.

#3 - I can now leave my bike in gear, pull in the clutch and push the bike around (when it is stone cold). Try this with your bike I bet you cannot do it.

#4 - That small little lurch that happens when first putting it into gear, or when starting it in gear after a fill up, is no longer there.

Caveat: My bike has over 60,000kms on it and I've put every single one of those clicks on the bikes. Yes, some wearing of things may have had an effect on how the bikes is, my riding style may have fully adapted to more firm gear changes and other unknown factors too.

Also, if you are taking your bike to GC Suzuki to maintain a record for possible warranty, then let them put in whatever they put in. And wait until the 2 years is up before going with different oil. In all reality, there is very little that goes wrong with these bikes. The only thing that happened with mine was a broken spot weld in the headlight housing. It means my round headlight could be moved around by hand as the top spot weld was broken. Changed out for free. I did't even need to sign anything.

If you want to feel what a mobile 1 gear box is like, we'll meet up and you can take my bike through the gears - we're both on the GC so it's pretty easy for us to do.

Thanks for the input mister...

I'll do that for the 1st couple of years and see where we go from there...

Re- #3 -

I can now leave my bike in gear, pull in the clutch and push the bike around (when it is stone cold). Try this with your bike I bet you cannot do it.

Tried it..

I too can push it around, just a fraction harder.

Prolly do that one day.. ( meet up and you can take my bike through the gears)

Thanks for the offer... What part of the Goldie you on mister?

Check your Private Messages...

[peterscotts]

Pete,

Ipswich Suzuki uses Motul 5100 as the oil they put in all bikes. Asking them about oil will get you the answer that Motul 5100 is The oil to use and anything better (more pricey) is a waste.

At the end of the day, you use whatever gives you a warm fuzzy feeling inside. Owning a motorcycle is not the Cheap transport non-riders think it is. Service intervals are sooner, tires need changing way more often, chains, sprockets, etc. If you cannot afford the few extra bucks for the fuel/oil you want to make you feel good, you probably cannot afford a bike at all.

All I can say is based on my experience... my bike came with Motul 1000 in it. As I moved up the chain - motul 3100, 5100, and 300v and now Mobile 1, I noticed the following....

#1 - False neutrals became less with each oil upgrade. And not just when the oil was new.

#2 - Changing gears became less effort with each oil upgrade. Smoother gear changes.

#3 - I can now leave my bike in gear, pull in the clutch and push the bike around (when it is stone cold). Try this with your bike I bet you cannot do it.

#4 - That small little lurch that happens when first putting it into gear, or when starting it in gear after a fill up, is no longer there.

Caveat: My bike has over 60,000kms on it and I've put every single one of those clicks on the bikes. Yes, some wearing of things may have had an effect on how the bikes is, my riding style may have fully adapted to more firm gear changes and other unknown factors too.

Also, if you are taking your bike to GC Suzuki to maintain a record for possible warranty, then let them put in whatever they put in. And wait until the 2 years is up before going with different oil. In all reality, there is very little that goes wrong with these bikes. The only thing that happened with mine was a broken spot weld in the headlight housing. It means my round headlight could be moved around by hand as the top spot weld was broken. Changed out for free. I did't even need to sign anything.

If you want to feel what a mobile 1 gear box is like, we'll meet up and you can take my bike through the gears - we're both on the GC so it's pretty easy for us to do.

Thanks for the input mister...

I'll do that for the 1st couple of years and see where we go from there...

Re- #3 -

I can now leave my bike in gear, pull in the clutch and push the bike around (when it is stone cold). Try this with your bike I bet you cannot do it.

Tried it..

I too can push it around, just a fraction harder.

Prolly do that one day.. ( meet up and you can take my bike through the gears)

Thanks for the offer... What part of the Goldie you on mister?

Check your Private Messages...

Done... Check yours..