Bars or Clip-Ons?

JohNLA · February 10, 2004, 06:31:25 PM

Quote from: jangofettI like those SM bars. Which one's do we need though, Type 2 or Type 1. Thinking about getting a pair.

From Pablo's page

Suburban-Machinery make two types of bars for the SV650, the Type 1 and Type 2. These are a modern version of the old "clubman" style handlebars that mimick the more aggresive position afforded by clip-on handlebars which were only available stock on '89 US version GS500's. They are a direct bolt in replacement for stock handlebars and can be installed in 1/2 hour. Both Type 1 and Type 2 fit the GS well. The Type 1 set the handlebar ends lower by about 1" than the Type 2's.
The following is what I did to install the Type 2 bars (same for Type 1).
http://www.suburban-machinery.com/sv650.htm

jangofett · February 10, 2004, 09:57:14 PM

Thanks guys for the info. I just checked Pablo's page and the instructions there will do the trick. (Thanks Pablo)! I guess I will order a set of these. I think they look great.

Lars · February 11, 2004, 09:03:45 AM

In Europe all pre-2001 models have semi-clipons. They look like clip-ons but are fitted above the triple clamps. It makes the bike very narrow and nimble while the stance is not too aggressive.

The Buddha · February 11, 2004, 11:34:30 AM

The euro clip on's are those high rise types. While they are better than the round tube bar US bikes got, they aren't the ideal. They put you rather high up for being comfortable on the GS. The 89 clip on's are right about 1/2 inch above the triple and feel much better IMHO.
Cool.
Srinath.

jangofett · February 12, 2004, 10:38:37 PM

Well my bars are ordered. I went with the type 2. Hopefully they will go on without too much fuss. I dread getting the left grip off more than anything. My bike is a 93 and I imagine it has fused to the bar in the last 10 years or so. Also, I looked at Pablo's page on installing these babies and I notice there is a clearance issue with the master cylinder but that they will still go on. If anyone has any other advice that has bars like these, let me know. I figure they will be here in a few days, possibly tomorrow. They shipped yesterday a state away and I plan to tackle them as soon as they get here.

The Buddha · February 13, 2004, 08:33:20 AM

Get the wd40 spray tube stuffed under the grip as far as you can get it. 1/2 way would be ideal. Then connect the WD40 can to it and spray a good 1-2 squirts. Then hold the grip and twist it around... working the wd40 all around. That should let it slide off easy.
Cool.
Srinath.

jangofett · February 13, 2004, 08:35:26 AM

Thanks! Sounds good. I'll try that.

WAP · February 13, 2004, 10:24:47 AM

Hey jango, I'm in the middle of installing the Type-2's myself. My bike's in hibernation for the winter, so i sort of put off the majority of the instal till next month due to laziness. Anyway, here's wishing us both luck on a successful mod!

cozy · February 13, 2004, 11:13:54 AM

When i was considering the SM bars, i looked at the Honda 919 kit. The 919 tach setup is similar to the GS's so the bars have a slight rise to accomodate the banjo.
see:
http://www.suburban-machinery.com/honda_919.htm

The Buddha · February 13, 2004, 12:11:27 PM

I have a prototype that I made with this shape... makes for some funny handling, makes it harder to turn for some reason.
Cool.
Srinath.

jangofett · February 13, 2004, 03:21:46 PM

Quote from: WAPHey jango, I'm in the middle of installing the Type-2's myself. My bike's in hibernation for the winter, so i sort of put off the majority of the instal till next month due to laziness. Anyway, here's wishing us both luck on a successful mod!

Good luck! My bar got here today. Sure looks nice. I might pull the bike inside and get busy on it. Today is Friday the 13th, maybe I should wait until tomorrow.

sanityfree · February 13, 2004, 04:17:37 PM

QuoteI have a prototype that I made with this shape... makes for some funny handling, makes it harder to turn for some reason.
Cool.
Srinath.

what's so cool about it being hard to turn?

pantablo · February 13, 2004, 10:12:20 PM

Cool-that's just his signature...

Srinath, there must be something about your bars that make it harder to turn. The SM bars make the bike feel much easier to turn, gets your weight farther over the front wheel too. You should look at your fabrication..maybe your bars are flexing or something else isnt kosher...

jangofett · February 14, 2004, 02:28:05 PM

The new bars are on. I used different aftermarket bar ends for now. How in the hell do the inserts in the stock handlebar come out to put in the new bars for the factory ends to screw back into? They look like they are tacked in? If anyone knows, let me know. Otherwise, the bars look excellent!

Turkina · February 14, 2004, 05:06:06 PM

Use the aftermarket bar ends. A lot of bars ends nowadays are the expanding rubber stopper type. The screw in ones that can be bought... well the Suzuki insert uses a different bolt size than Lockhart-Phillips bar ends, so that was pretty lame when I replaced my bar ends on the stock bar.

If you get a lot of vibration, you can always look around for heavier ends or use a bar snake

By the way... anyone know the rise, pullback, etc. of the stock bars? I think my bars are tweaked and I'll probably get a set that gives a little more aggressive posture for now. Not straight drag bars though. Can't spend the cash for S-M type 2's for a while

jangofett · February 14, 2004, 06:59:38 PM

How does the bar snake work? I have heard of them before but I do not know how they work?

The Buddha · February 15, 2004, 09:59:00 AM

Quote from: pantabloCool-that's just his signature...

Srinath, there must be something about your bars that make it harder to turn. The SM bars make the bike feel much easier to turn, gets your weight farther over the front wheel too. You should look at your fabrication..maybe your bars are flexing or something else isnt kosher...

The SM ones like the 919's that are in that link.... made my GS hard to turn... No flex, and no cable/wire binding for sure. They have a high offset and that I think make it hard to turn. You can check it if you want. I'll send you the thing.
Cool.
Srinath.

Turkina · February 16, 2004, 01:40:12 AM

Quote from: jangofettHow does the bar snake work? I have heard of them before but I do not know how they work?

http://www.barsnake.com/

From what I gather, the bar snake is a piece of rubber type material that is tuned to absorb vibrations through your bars. Vibration dampening that way instead of putting weights on the end of your bars. Bar ends should act both as a weight and for damage protection. Plenty of bar ends are light little things.

It does cost more than your average set of handlebars though! You want the liquid snake cause S-M bars have kinks... umm I just had a bad thought

It doesn't look like you can get the snake into the center section of the handlebars

Oh well.

Tell me how the bars work out!

jangofett · February 17, 2004, 03:01:01 PM

So far so good for the bars. I rode it yesterday and at all speeds I could detect no vibrations or at least not anything annoying enough to notice. I am using LP chrome bar ends. Waiting on my dooback bar end mirrors in the mail. I must say that I LOVE the new riding position. It feels better and I feel more a part of the bike. Expensive upgrade but worth it. Now I am going to put in new jets and a K&N filter. I'll get some pictures up on my website of the bike and new bars soon. I'll post a link then. Thanks everyone for all the information and advice.

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