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Started by 1034am, March 04, 2017, 11:18:35 AM

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1034am

I need some opinions please. '89 gs w/13,000mi burns oil on start up only. A lot, for a good 30sec and will choke the entire garage. When warm is fine, doesn't seem to burn oil afterwards.  Tried 20w oil w/no results. Pulled head off for valve-job & was shocked at the >$500 tag. My research has shown its probably only the rings anyway (head is true/flat.)
Since the head is off, any advice on things I might do myself? I'm thinking scotch brite pad & rotorary tool on the underside of cylinder head (besides rings/gaskets.)
Thoughts??
-Richard

1989 GS500
2004 CF Moto

The Buddha

Rings are sticking just when cold ??? check it. You could free them up.
My guy will probably do the head for 1/2 that or maybe even less. If you want to call him, PM me, I'll give you his number, but I have to call him ahead and let him know its a head he's semi familiar with.
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Atesz792

Quote from: The Buddha on March 04, 2017, 11:39:43 AM
Rings are sticking just when cold ??? check it. You could free them up.
My guy will probably do the head for 1/2 that or maybe even less. If you want to call him, PM me, I'll give you his number, but I have to call him ahead and let him know its a head he's semi familiar with.
Cool.
Buddha.
I love how things work exactly the same way on both sides of the pond :D
'04 GS500F with 50k miles updated July 2022.
Ride it like a 2 stroke:
1: Rev high
2: Add oil
3: Repeat

1034am

-Richard

1989 GS500
2004 CF Moto

Suzi Q

You can lap the valves yourself pretty easily while you have it off.
Deals on Amsoil if you want it. PM me for details.

Watcher

Burning oil isn't a valve issue, it's a ring issue.  If the head is true, you have good compression, and the valve clearances are right, I wouldn't touch the head.

Maybe send the jugs out to get honed, since they'll be off to do the rings anyway, get the next size up rings (.005+ IIRC), and if you feel like it take the pistons off the connecting rods and wire brush off any carbon deposits so you have a nice clean piston going back in.
"The point of a journey is not to arrive..."

-Neil Peart

1034am

So, if I get the cylinders honed I'll need to get a different spec ring kit? Ok. I'll check the cylinder w/micrometer and see if it's out of spec.
What about wire brush or scotchbrite pad on the head? Asking for trouble?
-Richard

1989 GS500
2004 CF Moto

Watcher

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Quote from: 1034am on March 04, 2017, 01:18:45 PM
So, if I get the cylinders honed I'll need to get a different spec ring kit?

Yes.  Honing the cylinders physically removes metal.  It doesn't take much off but the honing combined with the natural wear the engine experienced would require +sized rings.

Quote from: 1034am on March 04, 2017, 01:18:45 PM
What about wire brush or scotchbrite pad on the head? Asking for trouble?

Go for it.  No harm in cleaning off all the carbon deposits.  Just make sure to use caution around the valve seats.
Anywhere that sells guns will have a brush kit with some phosphor-bronze brushes.  They're much softer than steel ones, those will be much less likely to cause any kind of damage, but they'll still be more aggressive than Scotch Brite.  Some brake clean and elbow grease will get that job done.
"The point of a journey is not to arrive..."

-Neil Peart

1034am

Thanks for the help! I could not have gotten this bike running without the help from everybody on this site. Much appreciated.
-Richard

1989 GS500
2004 CF Moto

The Buddha

Something like - if you're over .2mm over spec, you'd have to go to .5mm over I think.

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