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Title: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: xcolo1 on September 28, 2011, 04:46:02 PM
I was recently torquing my bolts after a ride and accidentally torqued what I think is an engine mount bolt.  Its bolt 11 on the schematics.     (https://gstwins.com/gsboard/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi56.tinypic.com%2F21kdm42.gif&hash=c179adf28d3be6a37e94e579df6913c965535ef2)  However when I look at the schematic on the left its not the same bolt as whats on the top right schematic.  This is the bolt (https://gstwins.com/gsboard/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi55.tinypic.com%2F2h73x45.jpg&hash=96461a1e84b0e5260e26b5008e1e1831350c4ef3) the bolt on the left goes through the top of the crankcase while the bolt that I snapped goes up through the bottom of the crankcase.  you can see on the bolt that it sheared right where the threads start.  So, whats next!? please any solid advice that will let me sleep tonight.  Oh by the way its 1997 gs500ev
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: Big Rich on September 28, 2011, 06:15:03 PM
Ouch. You said it's one of the longer bolts that run into the bottom side of the case, correct? Probably the best way is to split the cases and try to get the threaded end out that way. I believe you can take the bottom half of the engine off without even messing with the top end though. Just drain the oil and flip the whole thing upside down......
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: gtscott on September 28, 2011, 06:22:12 PM
Yeah, u can split the case with the top end together, I messed up and forgot the dampners for the chain guide and only realised when the motor has cyliners head came and rocker cover on, yet was able to split the case without taking everything else apart you will ned to remove oil filter, clutch cover stator cover ignition pick up, clutch, gear shifter parts, sump, yet that's about it, pretty easy job, engin needs to be out of the bike, look at the manual for were all the bolts are so you don't miss any
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: the mole on September 29, 2011, 02:54:13 AM
1. Why were you retorqueing that bolt?
2. Did you back it off and then use a torque wrench to tighten it up again, or just turn it a bit more because you could?
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: xcolo1 on October 10, 2011, 01:33:53 PM
thanks for the suggestions.  Is there any way i could possibly take the bike to the shop and have it drilled out?? I just dont have the time or the proper tools to take out the engine and split the crankcase.  Im still a little confused at how there are two "11" bolts.  The bolt that i sheared was under the engine next to the oil pan.  the picture shows #11 going through the top of the crankcase which this doesnt?? The more I look at this the more I think its not an engine mount bolt.  heres a picture of where the bolt came from off the bike, the view is looking towards the rear wheel.  Can someone please look at their bike and try and figure out exactly which bolt this is.  Buddha?  (https://gstwins.com/gsboard/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi52.tinypic.com%2Fnf5gyw.jpg&hash=67b1f5a393607b9e870dbc99b2ee98f91ea7052f)
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: adidasguy on October 10, 2011, 01:58:52 PM
Quote from: xcolo1 on October 10, 2011, 01:33:53 PM
Im still a little confused at how there are two "11" bolts.
Note that there are lots of duplicate numbers. The numbers are not an assembly diagram with each and every bolt having a unique number.
The numbers refer to what the part is. All parts of the same bolt, spacer or whatever will have the same part number. There are lots of #26 - because they are all the same size nut.

I've never taken that apart, so someone else can probably say of you've experienced coitus with your bike.
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: sledge on October 10, 2011, 02:25:19 PM
Want to know the easiest way to solve the problem??

Glue the bolt back in, sell the bike and say nothing, then buy another.......you wouldnt be the first to do it  :D
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: CraiGDaniel on October 10, 2011, 03:01:58 PM
Great advice sledge, no really.
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: gs500e on October 10, 2011, 04:18:47 PM
Quote from: xcolo1 on October 10, 2011, 01:33:53 PM
thanks for the suggestions.  Is there any way i could possibly take the bike to the shop and have it drilled out?? I just dont have the time or the proper tools to take out the engine and split the crankcase.  Im still a little confused at how there are two "11" bolts.  The bolt that i sheared was under the engine next to the oil pan.  the picture shows #11 going through the top of the crankcase which this doesnt?? The more I look at this the more I think its not an engine mount bolt.  heres a picture of where the bolt came from off the bike, the view is looking towards the rear wheel.  Can someone please look at their bike and try and figure out exactly which bolt this is.  Buddha? 

I don't see why not, it is only money.

(btw: i don't think it is an engine mount bolt; i have no clue what it does, but it looks important (my noob hypothesis is it has to do with the starter, but that is just a W.A.G.).  It does however look to be in same position as bolt '#11' of the top right schematic)
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: adidasguy on October 10, 2011, 04:43:46 PM
For what its worth, it looks like this one.
If nothing is leaking, glue it back in. When it starts to leak, sell it and play dumb. "Previous owner must have done that. I never touched that bolt"
(https://gstwins.com/gsboard/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1206.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fbb442%2Fadidasguy%2FAssorted%2Fnf5gyw2.jpg&hash=22131b40fffbb4ecedc82dbd2ced1cfcd62f2db6)
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: xcolo1 on October 10, 2011, 05:59:30 PM
thats definitely the bolt Adidasguy.  Can anyone tell me the importance of that bolt and how easy it is to drill out.  Ive replaced the tires, rotors, rebuilt the carbs and rebuilt both brake calipers along with new chain and sprockets. I'm not trying to just ditch the bike to some schmuck cuz of one sheared bolt.  Can anyone give me some sound advice besides scamming someone.
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: the mole on October 10, 2011, 07:15:59 PM
Just looking at it, I'm 98% sure its one of the bolts that holds the top and bottom of the cases together. As its quite long, you're going to have to remove the motor and split the cases to get at it, no other way that I can see to get the broken end out.

I'd really like to know if a torque wrench was somewhere in the vicinity when you "re-torqued it"
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: burning1 on October 10, 2011, 09:27:36 PM
Woah woah woah... This isn't a stud we're talking about here. Engine bolts are held in place by the friction between threads as the bolt tightens and stretches out. With the head of the bolt twisted off, the bolt relaxes back to it's original length. and often isn't much more than finger tight.

There's a good chance that an experienced machinist could remove the bolt with a screw extractor. You might even be able to twist it out using a screwdriver and friction.
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: sledge on October 10, 2011, 11:15:19 PM
Look at pic 25.9 in Haynes.

The bolt is there to clamp the cases together around the gearbox shaft bearings and support and hold them in position.

So worst case scenario......Bearing becomes loose in operation and spins in its housing or if it is the locked end of the shaft it it becomes loose and it starts to float. Either way it could result in  serious damage to the case set or gearbox internals. Alternatively there may still be enough compression between the case halves to hold the bearing and it may never come loose in the lifetime of the bike and never cause any problems. Its difficult to call either way but if there is no oil leaking from the hole or in the vicinity of the of joint and no additional noise or vibration its safe to assume the bearing is presently holding in position.

A good machine shop might be able to put a pilot hole down the axis of the remnant with a long series drill, then using a small screw-extracter thats been welded onto a length of stock bar to extend its length spin it out but again.........its an unknown.

The way I see it there are 3 options.

Cover up the damage and offload the bike.

Run with it as is, it might last it might not but if it does fail you will be looking at serious money to fix it, possibly a written off case set.

Bite the bullet, pull the engine out and deal with it now.

I would go with in this order but its your call  :dunno_black:







Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: twinrat on October 11, 2011, 12:16:26 AM
get a small drill and have someone with a lathe drill end of broken bolt with this drill about 3/4 inch deep ,if you know some one who can gas weld get them to easy flow it together,cut head off bolt and fit in drill and drill slowly till you have drilled to a depth that will hold an easy out.   Then stick a rod about same diameter as bolt  down the hole and give the broken thread a good smack this will take the tension out of the thread now insert the easy out and remove broken bolt thread  if it dosnt reach do the same as you did for the drill.before you start remove petrol tank ,battery ,and oil ,then lay bike on its side on a cushion or carpet or some thing soft so it dosnt get scratched .YOU CAN DO IT YOU JUST NEED TO KNOW HOW  ..
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: the mole on October 11, 2011, 02:19:24 AM
Hey sledge, how can you give advice like that and still have +1 karma??  :dunno_black:
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: noiseguy on October 11, 2011, 07:11:46 AM
Sledge has karma to burn. Stuff like that is why my ears perk up anytime a seller tells me they've done their own maintenance. I immediately shift from inspecting the bike to inspecting the seller.

I hadn't thought of jamming a screwdriver in to remove this bolt... that's an excellent idea. If you have a spare flatedge driver, sharpen it to a knife edge, insert in hole, tap *lightly* with a hammer to set the edge, and try to twist it out.

Personally, I'd run down a set of long left-hand drill bits and try that (they drill in turning CCW). To Burning's point, these are not high-torque screws... #6, right? If so, 9 ft/lb or so. If you manage to drill through without extracting the piece, use a screw extractor on the new hole. Longer versions of these, essentially:
http://www.harborfreight.com/13-piece-left-hand-drill-bit-set-95146.html
http://www.harborfreight.com/12-piece-screw-extractor-set-40349.html

Careful not to drill through the case. I'm mostly concerned about your mechanical ability (not sure why you were torquing this screw in the first place.) If you know anyone handy that's done this operation before, I'd ask them to help. Otherwise take it to a machine shop and get it done. There are professional broken screw extractors out there... guys that travel and do nothing but this work. They are handy after you've broken off a cheap screw extractor into a drilled-out bolt (it happens.)

Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: Dr.McNinja on October 11, 2011, 09:14:55 AM
Quote from: noiseguy on October 11, 2011, 07:11:46 AM
Sledge has karma to burn. Stuff like that is why my ears perk up anytime a seller tells me they've done their own maintenance. I immediately shift from inspecting the bike to inspecting the seller.

I hadn't thought of jamming a screwdriver in to remove this bolt... that's an excellent idea. If you have a spare flatedge driver, sharpen it to a knife edge, insert in hole, tap *lightly* with a hammer to set the edge, and try to twist it out.

Personally, I'd run down a set of long left-hand drill bits and try that (they drill in turning CCW). To Burning's point, these are not high-torque screws... #6, right? If so, 9 ft/lb or so. If you manage to drill through without extracting the piece, use a screw extractor on the new hole. Longer versions of these, essentially:
http://www.harborfreight.com/13-piece-left-hand-drill-bit-set-95146.html
http://www.harborfreight.com/12-piece-screw-extractor-set-40349.html

Careful not to drill through the case. I'm mostly concerned about your mechanical ability (not sure why you were torquing this screw in the first place.) If you know anyone handy that's done this operation before, I'd ask them to help. Otherwise take it to a machine shop and get it done. There are professional broken screw extractors out there... guys that travel and do nothing but this work. They are handy after you've broken off a cheap screw extractor into a drilled-out bolt (it happens.)


I always inspect the seller. People like sledge make me always want to buy off a dealer. The second anyone mentions they did their own engine work I immediately become suspicious and ask for a certification. I give a bike a pretty jackbooted-nazi inspection too. It probably takes me nearly an hour to get through the entire inspection before I ask the owner to turn it on so I can listen to it. If they ride the bike to the meet spot, I'll request to see it another day or later in the afternoon. That's another trick owners try to pull on you. Warm the bike up and ride it there to mask all the internal fuel problems.
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: Phil B on October 11, 2011, 09:27:44 AM
First off, it really makes me sad, that a forum for "the community of gs500 riders" would advocate ripping off a FUTURE gs500 rider.

now, to xcolo1: there's even a video on how to remove this.
Titled. appropriately enough,
Broken Bolt Removal from Engine Block

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7ftJTUbp4o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7ftJTUbp4o)
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: sledge on October 11, 2011, 12:02:15 PM
Quote from: Dr.McNinja on October 11, 2011, 09:14:55 AM
I always inspect the seller. People like sledge make me always want to buy off a dealer.

On the basis of that comment can I assume you believe that all dealers are as honest as the day is long and never ever ever pull tricks such as the one I suggested??

If so please excuse me while I.................

WWWWWWAWAAAAAHHAHAHHHHHAHAHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA!!

You buy a used bike you take a chance, regardless of who takes your cash  :thumb:

Oh and BTW......

"Second question: how do I go about inspecting my chain and sprocket? I've never really seen a damaged/worn sprocket before."

Given this comment of yours from an earlier thread can I ask what you spend this claimed hour actually looking at?? If by your own admission you dont know what a worn sprocket........ perhaps the most obvious visual defect there is.......actually looks like why are you commenting on what to look for when buying a used bike???

:D :D :D

Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: Dr.McNinja on October 11, 2011, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: sledge on October 11, 2011, 12:02:15 PM
Quote from: Dr.McNinja on October 11, 2011, 09:14:55 AM
I always inspect the seller. People like sledge make me always want to buy off a dealer.

On the basis of that comment can I assume you believe that all dealers are as honest as the day is long and never ever ever pull tricks such as the one I suggested??

If so please excuse me while I.................

WWWWWWAWAAAAAHHAHAHHHHHAHAHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA!!

You buy a used bike you take a chance, regardless of who takes your cash  :thumb:

Oh and BTW......

"Second question: how do I go about inspecting my chain and sprocket? I've never really seen a damaged/worn sprocket before."

Given this comment of yours from an earlier thread can I ask what you spend this claimed hour actually looking at?? If by your own admission you dont know what a worn sprocket........ perhaps the most obvious visual defect there is.......actually looks like why are you commenting on what to look for when buying a used bike???

:D :D :D

Not going to get goaded by a washed up mechanic trolling to keep his e-peen huge.

Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: sledge on October 11, 2011, 01:03:09 PM
Quote from: Dr.McNinja on October 11, 2011, 12:52:11 PM

Not going to get goaded by a washed up mechanic trolling to keep his e-peen huge.

Washed up mechanic?? huge e-peen??

Now that IS irony for you  :D :D :D
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: sledge on October 11, 2011, 01:08:04 PM
So tell us what you spend this hour doing, undoing and refastening every bolt and screw you can see? checking every electrical connection? exhaustive checks on compression and oil pressure? checking the freeplay and float in every bearing?.....but at the same time overlooking the obvious ie worn sprockets??

...and you call me a washed up mechanic?

Another one who is full of it  :D
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: burning1 on October 11, 2011, 02:35:44 PM
Can we move this to the Tard forum, please?
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: mister on October 11, 2011, 02:41:37 PM
Quote from: burning1 on October 11, 2011, 02:35:44 PM
Can we move this to the Tard forum, please?

One or two posts go "odd" lets say, and suddenly you want the entire thread TFed? C'mon, I think we can handle a few posts, eh?

Michael
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: adidasguy on October 11, 2011, 02:55:37 PM
Quote from: burning1 on October 11, 2011, 02:35:44 PM
Can we move this to the Tard forum, please?
(https://gstwins.com/gsboard/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1206.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fbb442%2Fadidasguy%2FVideos%2Fdrunk.gif&hash=ef65d8692bd188146fb7a0727bbb35622347039c)
Go ride, have some beers. Stop posting here and this thread will die a natural death. In a day or two it will be bumped down so far you'll have to work to find it.
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: sledge on October 11, 2011, 03:09:04 PM
Attention please.......

Will everyone who has ever bought a used GS500E and can say hand on heart with 100% certaintly that they know for a fact that EVERY bolt/screw/nut on that bike has a sound and undamaged thread holding it in please raise their hand.....That includes YOU TOO Dr Mc Minger....hehehe.
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: gs500e on October 11, 2011, 05:15:35 PM
Quote from: sledge on October 11, 2011, 03:09:04 PM
Attention please.......

Will everyone who has ever bought a used GS500E and can say hand on heart with 100% certaintly that they know for a fact that EVERY bolt/screw/nut on that bike has a sound and undamaged thread holding it in please raise their hand.....That includes YOU TOO Dr Mc Minger....hehehe.

Are you suggesting he should knowingly lie, which technically is fraud and very much illegal and also run the risk of having insurance coverage withdrawn in the event of an accident?

Dont make the mistake of thinking the purchasers are daft, they are not, they know what goes on, they know people tell lies, they know what to look for when they make their  inspections and they know how to avoid having to pay out large amounts of their money.


:bs: Oh, wait... that wasn't my hand.
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: noiseguy on October 11, 2011, 05:34:20 PM
Pff. I would never catch a glued-in bolt on inspection. Missing, yes, and a glued in bolt would probably fall out. So there's that.

I think OP's got enough to go on now. Let us know how it goes.
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: burning1 on October 11, 2011, 07:07:46 PM
Quote from: mister on October 11, 2011, 02:41:37 PM
One or two posts go "odd" lets say, and suddenly you want the entire thread TFed? C'mon, I think we can handle a few posts, eh?

Michael

Threads can usually be split. Discussions can move.
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: gtscott on October 12, 2011, 01:12:14 AM
being a auto mech myself i see alot more dodgy cover ups from mech workshop than from homejobs, people start to strip a thread out when doing there own work at home and they panic and go try to get it fixed, a mechanic does it and half the time the idiots crossthread the bolt all the way in so the parts half secured,
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: burning1 on October 12, 2011, 01:25:10 AM
Similar story from the computer industry...

http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Sometimes_the_dealer_is_the_problem.txt
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: sledge on October 12, 2011, 02:27:58 AM
Quote from: gs500e on October 11, 2011, 05:15:35 PM
Dont make the mistake of thinking the purchasers are daft, they are not, they know what goes on, they know people tell lies, they know what to look for when they make their  inspections

Which explains the multitude and constant amount of  `What should I look for when buying a used bike` and `I just bought a used bike and....` Type threads that we see in here .......right?

Fact is NO seller is to be trusted and ALL buyers are daft, it just depends on the amount of honesty and daftness those involved possess and display. This in turn usually depends on how desperate they are to buy/sell the bike and the amount of money those involved stand to loose or gain in turn. Can you say you have never avoided an issue or been economical with the facts in an attempt to gain an advantage in a situation, particularly one that involves cash landing in your pocket?......... if you say no I will call BS.

Your comment also begs the question where to draw the line when it comes to inspections??Well........  I have seen some clued up and competent buyers in my time who have looked for and at the right things and followed it all up with the right questions but I have yet to see one who wanted to systematically remove every fastening then drop a plug gauge in there and follow it up with a pull-out test, particularly on the ones that are out of site.

Lets be honest, did you check each and every bolt on your bike when you bought it and can you say for sure that none of them have been glued in because I will also call BS if you say yes. Thats what makes it all so funny, you having a pop at me for making the suggestion but at the same time knowing YOU could have been ripped off this way.....(and may well now consider doing it yourself if the situation should demand it :D)

But....in saying that some good has come of all this because now that I have highlighted what is an all too common trick I am sure you and perhaps others have learned something and will pay more attention to the possibility of glued in bolts next time you buy a used bike  :D
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: lucky4034 on October 12, 2011, 05:01:20 AM
I'm not sure what being capable of discovering glued bolts has to do with this discussion?  I'm sure there are a million little dirtbag tricks a seller can do to mask problems from buyers, but I can't see why condoning dirtbag behavior on this forum should be acceptable?

No offense sledge... because I think you were likely joking when you made the comment, but would you like to buy a bike that some dirtbag glued sheared bolts in?  Of course not....  And I would hope if I ever buy a bike from someone on this forum, that they don't sell me one like that either. 

Being that this is a community set aside to help GS owners... I think we ALL can agree that its a bit irresponsible to condone scamming a potential future GStwin member right? 

So instead of hijacking this thread and turning shifting the focus on a bunch of senseless pissing... why not just call it a poor joke and move on?
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: sledge on October 12, 2011, 06:22:43 AM
Quote from: lucky4034 on October 12, 2011, 05:01:20 AM

No offense sledge... because I think you were likely joking when you made the comment, but would you like to buy a bike that some dirtbag glued sheared bolts in?  Of course not.... 

Hey....non taken  but I wasnt joking  :D

I have unkowingly bought bikes in the past with glued in bolts as have countless others....but I always learned something from the experience, in more ways than one  :wink:

I guarantee you that there are GS5 owners in here running round with glued in bolts that they dont know about and probably never will and if you personaly would be prepared to tell a prosepctive buyer about such an issue and loose say.....a grand on the deal thats your choice but you have to accept that peoples attitudes are different, particularly when money is involved and that not everyone else will follow your noble example :thumb:

Buying and selling anything, not just bikes to make a profit is a game and like all games there will be the winners and the loosers. If you choose to take the moral high ground and be 100% honest 100% of the time you will loose.

As to if I would tell someone about a glued in bolt the answer is...... it depends. Factors would include potential consequences and the personal safety of the rider if the bolt failed, how likely it is the bolt will need to be removed in the lifetime of the bike, the cost of the fix and how easy it would be and if I could get away with pleading ignornace over the issue if it was discovered assuming me and the buyer had not agreed on `sold as seen` terms. With the above factors in mind in this situation, NO I wouldnt tell a prospective buyer about the issue. I believe it would be worth taking a chance on and I am quite happy to admit it. BUT...if the bolt in question was safety critical and part of say the braking or suspension system then the situation becomes totaly different and my answer would become YES, in fact I probably wouldnt even sell the bike on without rectifying the issue.

Believe me......my methodology and way of thinking mirrors just about EVERYONE else who is in to try and turn a profit, its just a question of where the line is drawn.

Caveat Emptor and all that  :thumb:  :D

Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: adidasguy on October 12, 2011, 03:21:06 PM
Found this photo - might help decide if the bolt is really critical or more of just extra support for really hard stress on the engine

(https://gstwins.com/gsboard/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1206.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fbb442%2Fadidasguy%2FAssorted%2FP1210482.jpg&hash=b8fde18113c1c506256724fbf6777eabaeb16b27)

On sale right now for $20
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Suzuki-GS500-04-Engine-Cases-/290534931520?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43a53b3c40
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: burning1 on October 12, 2011, 04:35:47 PM
Interesting photo... But what are we supposed to get out of this? Don't leave your disassembled engine sitting in the rain?
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: adidasguy on October 12, 2011, 04:39:55 PM
Quote from: burning1 on October 12, 2011, 04:35:47 PM
Interesting photo... But what are we supposed to get out of this? Don't leave your disassembled engine sitting in the rain?
No, not my engine.
Interesting to see what the bolts go through and where they are.
Thought it was interesting. Don't often see pictures of an opened up engine.
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: gs500e on October 12, 2011, 05:20:36 PM
My best guesstimate of which holes it is, from the pics shown so far (circled in pink):
(https://gstwins.com/gsboard/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv494%2Fwhanso1%2FSplitCase.jpg&hash=604631910dee14a45eda17a80cd081e28f21e56b)

Being as it is directly next to what appears to be a bearing journal for the transmission (my best guess)....
.... I wouldn't ride it without that bolt in there.
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: Big Rich on October 12, 2011, 05:34:30 PM
This is just my opinion, so take it for what it's worth. But I would ride it with that broken bolt. Not for the life of the bike, but the rest of the season for sure. There is still a lot of force holding the 2 halves together.
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: burning1 on October 12, 2011, 05:39:03 PM
Quote from: adidasguy on October 12, 2011, 04:39:55 PM
Interesting to see what the bolts go through and where they are.
Thought it was interesting. Don't often see pictures of an opened up engine.

I have an engine at home with the cases split. Will take a photo when I get home, if you want to see what the engine looks like with most of the guts in there.
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: sledge on October 12, 2011, 10:46:28 PM
Remembered another good one today.

Engine getting tired and wearing out?
Borderline oil-pressure??
Warning light flickering on tickover??
Want to off-load the bike without having to reduce the book price??

Simply remove the bulb, colour it black with a marker pen and refit it. The ink will hide the fact the bulb is dim and flickering on tickover but wont hide it enough so that it doesnt light up with the ignition turned on.........Works with charging lights too  :thumb:

Do you always check for this cover up as part of your hourly inspection too Dr McMinger??.....I bet you several large beers you will from now on :thumb:

More top tips to follow  :D :D :D
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: gtscott on October 13, 2011, 01:59:30 AM
one thing i used to see done by some dodgy people who bought and sold cars from auctions, buy a wreck, fix it yet dont put new airbags in, just the covers that need replacing, and hook the airbag or even abs light up in parrarell to the battery light (and break the circut for the original light) then when u first turn the key on the airbag and abs lights come on as normal and go off when the car is started as if its all working properly
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: the mole on October 13, 2011, 03:02:49 AM
Here's another one:
Find a couple of pictures of a hot movie star (head and shoulders) in a magazine and cut them out, then stick them over your mirrors. The buyer will think he looks so good on your bike he'll buy it without even doing the one hour safety check!
Title: Re: sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???
Post by: Cosimo_Zaretti on October 16, 2011, 07:57:36 AM
Quote from: sledge on October 12, 2011, 10:46:28 PM
Remembered another good one today.

Engine getting tired and wearing out?
Borderline oil-pressure??
Warning light flickering on tickover??
Want to off-load the bike without having to reduce the book price??

Simply remove the bulb, colour it black with a marker pen and refit it. The ink will hide the fact the bulb is dim and flickering on tickover but wont hide it enough so that it doesnt light up with the ignition turned on.........Works with charging lights too  :thumb:

Do you always check for this cover up as part of your hourly inspection too Dr McMinger??.....I bet you several large beers you will from now on :thumb:

More top tips to follow  :D :D :D

You could probably use a couple of relays to make it come on with the key, then turn off when the motor's running.  Here's another dodgey little trick for you.  When I took my first car in for inspection, I wasn't sure if not having a working fuel gauge would fail me, and the tank sender was shot.  The solution was to ground out the sender wire, which of course made it read full.  But that seemed a little obvious, so I wired in a rheostat so I could make the fuel guage read whatever I want.  When the inspector turned the key, the needle moved to 3/4 full, just where I'd set it.