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Re: oh y'know, just another build thread.
« Reply #260 on: October 28, 2017, 07:10:25 PM »
hiding, I really appreciate your reply!!

I've been playing around with dogbones and just swapped in the R6 shock on my GS a few months ago. Right now I have raising links to give the rear a 1" lift but was thinking about going taller... but I know I can't do that unless I go back to the stock shock because I had to grind the swingarm just to install the 1" raising links WITH the R6 shock.

So I have been debating whether or not to just do the SV650 shock conversion and go back to the stock dogbones... OR buy the 2" raising links and go back to the stock shock. The SV650 shock swap is actually cheaper than buying more raising links. Crazy!! But buying the 2" raising links would be less work (cuz of the trimming and re-drilling of the SV shock).

I know it's not much work at all but I don't wanna do any more than I have to if I'm not gonna like it.

So you'd say that the raising links almost totally transform the stock GS shock into something good? Can I ask what your weight with gear is? I'm about 145-150lbs.

no worries showbiz  :cheers: like you'll find a lot of this stuff is trial and error, how do you find the r6 shock and 1'' lift? like an inch lift is quite a bit really, from what i've researched suspension tuners don't tend to stray far from lifting the rear 10-15mm for fine tuning. well for track stuff on many bikes anyway.

i can only guesstimate but the sv shock is going to be better suited to the gs with the stock forks, even if the internals are standard if it's a lift you're looking for.

you picked up on a very key point, yes the 2'' lift links will completely transform the gs shock from being a mooshy mess even with preload wound right up to the complete other end of the spectrum however it's borderline too harsh. it works well for my application but i cant imagine it working well on standard forks, i'd suggest against it unless you're all for it as a bit of experimentation.

with the SV shock you're gaining height from the shock length alone without messing the linkage, which is probably the better way to do it, it still changes the leverage ratio but not as dramatically as messing with the bones.

for reference i'm 6ft, 75kg and full gear will be around 10kg on top give or take. that equates to about 187lbs in total.

i think my idea setup would be an inch to an inch and a half lift, the only reason i've got it as jacked as high as 2'' is that i'm working with what parts i have available.

if you just do shorter dogbones, because of the swingarm angle you will definitely wear the rubber chain guide out quicker and possibly have the same sprocket cover issues i've had but then again my problem might be caused by my sprockets being offset. i've not read about this being an issue with the sv shock swap.

if it were me i'd stick with the r6 shock and 1'' lift but if you want to go the dogbone route you could always see what other bikes use dogbones that'll work for the lift. you'll need roughly 165mm eye to eye, just a thought rather than spending waaaaaay too much on jack up kits. for example i used thunderace dogbones.

another option you have is drilling holes to make the original gs dogbones shorter. some people will think that it's sketchy but i've seen it done as many times without bother when swapping shocks to make up for lost height or even just to jack it up a bit, it's not the ideal way to do it though.
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Re: oh y'know, just another build thread.
« Reply #261 on: October 29, 2017, 08:23:17 PM »
Hey just took a closer look at your polished gas tank, looks great!

Are those Japanese characters painted in a with a stencil?  They don't look like the usual Yoshimura decals.
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Re: oh y'know, just another build thread.
« Reply #262 on: October 31, 2017, 06:57:17 PM »
That is exactly the kind of information I was hoping for. Thank you so much hiding! I think I'm gonna go for the SV swap and see how I like it. I dug up some more threads on it and also found one on eBay right now for $25, shipped.

Even if I don't like it, I can always put things back to how they are now... AND add some missing information/answer more questions/take more pics regarding the SV swap.
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Re: oh y'know, just another build thread.
« Reply #263 on: October 31, 2017, 09:58:28 PM »
Hey just took a closer look at your polished gas tank, looks great!

Are those Japanese characters painted in a with a stencil?  They don't look like the usual Yoshimura decals.

hey endo, yeah thanks  :D the tanks more brushed than polished, no point polishing a turd right  :icon_lol: but yeah just sanding pads and brushed in one direction.

nope no paint which kinda confuses people haha the tank is brushed front to back and using a stencil that i made up from a decal, i brushed the logo in with sanding pads left to right so that the logo pops out. yeah it's all just bare metal, i have to give it a wipe over with oil every other day which is a bit annoying  :icon_lol: it looks truly awesome at night when the logo reflects light differently.

and yes it's just the Japanese kanji on the yoshimura logo, theres a few variations and they're usually accompanied by 'yoshimura usa' etc  :thumb: same stencil i used on the frame actually.
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Re: oh y'know, just another build thread.
« Reply #264 on: October 31, 2017, 10:14:18 PM »
That is exactly the kind of information I was hoping for. Thank you so much hiding! I think I'm gonna go for the SV swap and see how I like it. I dug up some more threads on it and also found one on eBay right now for $25, shipped.

Even if I don't like it, I can always put things back to how they are now... AND add some missing information/answer more questions/take more pics regarding the SV swap.

thats what the forums here for  :thumb:

thats a bargain! i always see things going cheap on the us ebay but then the shipping cost is unreal haha  :icon_eek: parts always seem so much more expensive in the UK. like i just had to buy a bracket for the tail swap on my cbr for £25 but i could see them selling for £2 in the US  :confused: :icon_eek: needs must unfortunately.

thats it showbiz, it gives you the option to change things about if you don't like it and even sell whichever you don't use to make some funds back.

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Re: oh y'know, just another build thread.
« Reply #265 on: October 31, 2017, 11:44:31 PM »
Don't know, that's a pretty good looking turd  :cheers:

If you get bored of oiling the bare metal, I got mine powder coated clear.  So far it's held up pretty well after about a year.

On to our other topic, I've got an R6 shock.  You think that if I went to a shorter dogbone to raise it 1" or so, that the shock wouldn't have enough travel?  and 2" lift would kill it?
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Re: oh y'know, just another build thread.
« Reply #266 on: November 01, 2017, 12:52:28 AM »
Idk if you were asking hiding or me but I can say that when I put the 1" raising links on my bike about a month ago with the R6 shock (how my bike is currently set up), I had to grind the heck outta the swingarm to make everything fit (right in the same spot you had to tend to in your project thread Endo). I don't think 2" raising links could fit with the R6 shock unless I did some serious actual cutting on the swingarm to allow clearance for the shock. I don't know about it messing with the travel tho.
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Re: oh y'know, just another build thread.
« Reply #267 on: January 11, 2018, 11:47:29 PM »
Don't know, that's a pretty good looking turd  :cheers:

If you get bored of oiling the bare metal, I got mine powder coated clear.  So far it's held up pretty well after about a year.

On to our other topic, I've got an R6 shock.  You think that if I went to a shorter dogbone to raise it 1" or so, that the shock wouldn't have enough travel?  and 2" lift would kill it?

 :D :cheers:

i've played with the idea of clearing it with powder but i'm not big on high gloss finishes, i've got a blast cabinet and i'm going to be building an oven at some point. one of the potential drawbacks with powder coating is that once the coating gets broken it can allow for moisture to get in behind the powder and with steel, rust can eat things from the inside out yet the powdercoat finish stills looks decent. sounds mad but it can happen to the likes of frames. the tanks damaged, it'll never be worthwhile powdercoating it i don't think, i'd like to track down one of the later larger capacity tanks. in the uk we only got a 15L tank on the early models. i've always found anything clear over bare steel to go cloudy with uv over time and once water gets in it like gives you cracky rust lines under the coating.

the intention was always to let my tank rust and patina up but i keep changing my mind haha or do some kind of rust art. scrapyard camouflage  :icon_lol: it's currently rusting up a fair bit.

i really couldn't say about the r6 shock, clearance is pretty tight against the swingarm with my 2'' jack up links on std shock if i remember correctly and i'd previously ground the area down when experimenting with another shock as well just like you two. the upper shock mount on the frame can always be modified to gain height if need be, that way you'd get the best of both worlds, but obviously its not a plug and play bolt on mod.

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Re: oh y'know, just another build thread.
« Reply #268 on: January 12, 2018, 12:07:31 AM »
recently i've been so caught up in another project, think i'm 108 hours into a bare frame restoration/rebuild and nowhere near finished, believe it or not i'm a bit of a perfectionist in spite of the gs  :icon_lol: . so thats taken up the last couple of months of spare time over the xmas period, other projects have been held back as well. also passed the car test so i've been loving blasting hot air in the cold mornings. only times i've used the gs in the last month or so is when it's been snowing  :icon_twisted: :icon_lol:  :thumb: unreal fun haha

it's looking a bit worse for wear with being parked up covered in salt so took it out for a wee blast to free the brakes up a bit and get it dirtier before bath day.





look at the corrosion build up on the engine, this is honestly the most neglected the bikes been in my 5/6 years of ownership. it's not really that bad but i cant be letting it rot away.



rust starting on the tank, think i might do some rust art and let it all patina up, not too sure still.



gave it a long over-due wash! it's not 100% but its not going to rot away. afterwards got everything sprayed up with oil minus the tank so it's all good again.

currently the back brake needs pulled and cleaned as it's sticking, the indicators aren't working which is fine enough for bumbling around locally but obviously not great, need to get a battery for my multimeter so i can sort that and my rear tyre is absolutely knackered and almost unusable. another shock knuckle bearing/s have went again, so got a few things to sort out but all my time/funds getting put into the aforementioned rebuild  :dunno_black: i'll find some time eventually but juggling 4 bikes and a car all needing work in your spare time is ehmm... tedious. all good fun though.
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Re: oh y'know, just another build thread.
« Reply #269 on: June 26, 2018, 07:32:45 PM »
iamhiding, are you living up to your name? haha where you been? hope all is well with you!
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Re: oh y'know, just another build thread.
« Reply #270 on: June 26, 2018, 08:34:15 PM »
There is a youtube clip of someone doing a GSXR1000 dirt bike - man was that insane. This is like its junior - and it had the same exhaust as this one.
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Re: oh y'know, just another build thread.
« Reply #271 on: June 28, 2018, 08:42:47 PM »
iamhiding, are you living up to your name? haha where you been? hope all is well with you!

Shhh Iím hiding  :thumb: Iím keeping the gs off the road this year until I catch up with other projects. Itíll be getting a tear down and rebuilt over winter 18í. But yeah good thanks haha just slaving away, havenít had any gs updates so Iíve not been on the site much. Might put a pic up of it currently, think some people will be butthurt about my tank  :icon_lol:  :flipoff:

There is a youtube clip of someone doing a GSXR1000 dirt bike - man was that insane. This is like its junior - and it had the same exhaust as this one.
Cool.
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I know the one! Haha the exhaust can twists every time he hits the throttle. Thereís a few about but I think you know how much I love the crazy builds. I bet that gsxr is next level scary.



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Re: oh y'know, just another build thread.
« Reply #272 on: July 02, 2018, 05:52:38 AM »
I would love to see any new pics of your GS! I'd also love to see a new topic about the other project(s) you've got going on (and I know I'm not alone... right cbrfxr?? ;) )

I did the SV650 shock install on my bike recently and swapped back to the stock dogbones. Also finished building new forks with sonic springs and preload adjusters, therefore having to slide them down a bit in the clamps and raising the front a tad. My GS now has a tail lift/height stance similar to yours and I can totally see why you like it so much :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

That Danmoto GP Extreme you picked up... have any idea what bike it was originally for? I wouldn't mind buying one brand-new from Revzilla and trying it out (I love the look of it)... but Idk which bike to tell the site I "own" so I get the one that'll match up to the GS's pipe diameter :icon_razz: :icon_rolleyes:
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Re: oh y'know, just another build thread.
« Reply #273 on: September 10, 2018, 07:03:24 PM »
Other projects are really holding me up. Iíve been trying to get bodywork finished for months but struggling with time.

96í cbr600 f3 restoration is mid bodywork right now. (Lacquer over primer grey) itís... sexual. Thereís no build pics really. Thatís my priority for getting finished as it now has a new owner. no pics. fedup of sanding bodywork.

2nd. 98í cbr600 f3 streetfighter. project started winter 2014. Is waiting to get a tail swap finished. Relying on others for welding has been frustrating. it's almost rideable. not even going to begin listing the mods or work done but fireblade 929 USD forks and massive 330mm front discs  :icon_eek: haha. should be about 180kg wet, ie with a full tank when finished. 105bhp/180kg should be a laugh. it'd be finished by now but i keep getting distracted with other projects and when this was a priority i was hung up waiting on welding. lightweight f4i alloy swingarm and rear wheel waiting to go on too.






3rd 93í Gsxr1100 WP w/ a 60mm shorter braced swingarm / a bunch of other mods. no recent pics and this isn't a great angle. someone reversed into it and bumped it off the stand, broke a rake of bits but paid to replace them. about £2000 worth of difficult to get/irreplaceable bent brackets and broken plastic. needs a couple of things wee sorted and then it'll be up for sale next spring. 250kg/150bhp ish. it's an oldschool supersport tank of a thing. torquey, a real challenge to ride fast, ffffkin quick in a straight line.




4th the 00í gs500 scrambler thing





a lot of people wont get the whole rust thing but to me its a bit of a middle finger salute to those who don't get it :flipoff: the gs is in need of some love, should only need a wee weekend rebuild/refresh but so much else on right now.

5. A semi stripped and lightly modded renault sport Clio 172, the daily transport and the last of the oldschool hot hatches. 172bhp/1007kg on 1/4 of a tank but still on a diet, looking to get it down to low 900kgs and 180odd bhp without spending much. no pics on flickr

just sold a couple of bikes on as well. needless to say i've got my hands full.

got a couple of build threads online but i'd have to find them  :icon_lol:

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The exhaust was for a monster 690 or something like that but all their exhaust cans are one size and they give you link pipes to suit individual bikes. Because Iíve got a proper aftermarket system it was easy to adapt the can to fit the link. standard gs systems are a bit  Iíve seen a few of these cheap gpĒ style cans and the danmotos are probably the best of the cheapies.

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not too sure what i'm doing with the gs next, because its not my daily anymore i fancy going extreme with the gearing (13/49 or close just for a giggle) and somehow making the bike a bit more ridiculous but... tasteful... but offensive... with a few artistic details. i guess its almost at the point where the most absurd thing i could do with it would be to fully restore it to original spec  :icon_lol:
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Re: oh y'know, just another build thread.
« Reply #274 on: September 10, 2018, 07:23:48 PM »
HOws those cbr carbs treating you?
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Re: oh y'know, just another build thread.
« Reply #275 on: September 10, 2018, 07:52:58 PM »
HOws those cbr carbs treating you?

 :icon_lol: not too bad but then again i do have all the original air box and ram air ducts, not a mental setup like you had to fabricate to squeeze it in a gs frame  :icon_lol: i've also got some 38mm blade carbs to go on the fighter when i get round to it, that should be a laugh  :icon_twisted: :angel:
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Re: oh y'know, just another build thread.
« Reply #276 on: September 10, 2018, 08:05:34 PM »
nice,...  Got any thing posted anywhere on the cbr's?  Would love to see that!
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