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Title: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on May 29, 2012, 10:33:08 PM
Anybody here into guns besides FunderB?

List what you got!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Twism86 on May 30, 2012, 05:19:58 AM
I like to sling some lead from time to time. I have a SKS for the range and a Mossy 500 pump for shooting clay.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: ojstinson on May 30, 2012, 09:24:05 AM
I have 6 handguns--- two .357 mag revolvers, two 32 autos, and two .22 revolvers.

I also have two .22 rifles, one is a pump action that is about 70 years old, the other is a newer break away single shot with a scope, and a pump 410 shotgun. I used to have a lever action 30-30, a 30-06, and two 12 guage pump shotguns, but gave them away.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Flux Maven on May 30, 2012, 01:03:39 PM
I keep all my guns in my dads gun case and have access to his and mine so between us there is: lever action 30-30, 270, break action 12 gauge, bolt action .22, pump .22, semi auto .22, a really small .22 rifle that breaks down so you can put it in a back pack,  2 .22 revolvers, and an old 410. Used to have a 30-06 and a pump 12ga but then we got the 270. Mostly just buy bricks of .22 shells and plink at things in the back yard. Occasionally destroy things with the shotgun  :2guns: The next gun I buy will be a derringer, I know they are completely pointless, but they are cool and cheap so I want one. After that I will  get a new pump or semi auto 12 gauge. SO MUCH DESTRUCTION.  :cookoo: :woohoo:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: dougdoberman on May 30, 2012, 01:14:20 PM
Kimber Custom Classic .45
Browning Hi-Power Practical .40
Glock 17C 9mm
Taurus PT92 AFS 9mm
Ruger 22/45  .22
Ruger Mk II  .22
Colt Peacemaker 22  .22

Norinco SKS  7.62x39mm
Winchester 9422  .22
Some ancient .22 single shot

Winchester Model 12   12 gauge
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: dougdoberman on May 30, 2012, 01:24:11 PM
I keep all my guns in my dads gun case and have access to his and mine so between us there is: lever action 30-30, 270, break action 12 gauge, bolt action .22, pump .22, semi auto .22, a really small .22 rifle that breaks down so you can put it in a back pack,  2 .22 revolvers, and an old 410. Used to have a 30-06 and a pump 12ga but then we got the 270. Mostly just buy bricks of .22 shells and plink at things in the back yard. Occasionally destroy things with the shotgun  :2guns: The next gun I buy will be a derringer, I know they are completely pointless, but they are cool and cheap so I want one. After that I will  get a new pump or semi auto 12 gauge. SO MUCH DESTRUCTION.  :cookoo: :woohoo:

Flux what make & model is the take-down .22 rifle?  What's the accuracy like at say 50 yards?  Does it fire to same point of aim when you break it apart and then reassemble it?

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on May 30, 2012, 01:27:10 PM
I keep all my guns in my dads gun case and have access to his and mine so between us there is: lever action 30-30, 270, break action 12 gauge, bolt action .22, pump .22, semi auto .22, a really small .22 rifle that breaks down so you can put it in a back pack,  2 .22 revolvers, and an old 410. Used to have a 30-06 and a pump 12ga but then we got the 270. Mostly just buy bricks of .22 shells and plink at things in the back yard. Occasionally destroy things with the shotgun  :2guns: The next gun I buy will be a derringer, I know they are completely pointless, but they are cool and cheap so I want one. After that I will  get a new pump or semi auto 12 gauge. SO MUCH DESTRUCTION.  :cookoo: :woohoo:

Flux what make & model is the take-down .22 rifle?  What's the accuracy like at say 50 yards?  Does it fire to same point of aim when you break it apart and then reassemble it?

It's probably the Ruger 10/22 Take-Down version. http://www.ruger.com/products/1022Takedown/models.html

So far I haven't heard anything bad about it. It's still a 10/22 though...and while they're good, they're not the most accurate by any means.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on May 30, 2012, 01:31:27 PM
I have:

Taurus TCP .380ACP stainless
S&W Sigma .40S&W stainless w/ 5lb trigger (half what it was from the factory) and Hi-Viz Glock fiberoptic sight
S&W 22A .22LR sport pistol
Marlin Model 60 w/ 3-9x32 scope
Mossberg Maverick 88 (same as the 500, just fewer bells and whistles) 12ga
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Flux Maven on May 30, 2012, 02:17:23 PM
Flux what make & model is the take-down .22 rifle?  What's the accuracy like at say 50 yards?  Does it fire to same point of aim when you break it apart and then reassemble it?
I have no idea what make and model that is, it's an antique and one of my dads (his dad passed it down to him). I have only shot it once and it wasn't very accurate (it also only shoots shorts). I need to pull it out an look it over some time, it's a neat old gun. Most of our guns are old family heirlooms, My 270 is the newest. The 30-30 looks almost brand new but it's probably pushing 25 years old. My dad bought it when he was in high school and has took excellent care of it. Still takes it deer hunting every year!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: VerdonD952 on May 30, 2012, 05:33:36 PM
Kimber Custom Classic .45
Browning Hi-Power Practical .40
Glock 17C 9mm
Taurus PT92 AFS 9mm
Ruger 22/45  .22
Ruger Mk II  .22
Colt Peacemaker 22  .22

Norinco SKS  7.62x39mm
Winchester 9422  .22
Some ancient .22 single shot

Winchester Model 12   12 gauge


mmm kimber!  I love thoes!

My Collection:
Remmington 7mm mag  (deer, elk, caribou, bear gun,  really anything in North America)
200 year old + Parker Bros 16 gauge side by side (bird gun)
Mossberg 700 12g  (duck gun)
Ithica 20g pump  (bird gun on a nasty day) also comes with a dearslayer barrel  for deer of corse!
an old .45 from back in the 70s.  not sure the make, but it shoots straight!

...now the collection at my parents place would be two long to list.  Put it this way,  3 gun safes full....yes FULL.  and not these little Kmart POS ones.  Top of the line fire proof safes that hold up to 40.

so who wants to join my Militia?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on May 30, 2012, 06:12:43 PM
before my health went to shaZam!, i had a 2.5" bbl smith 500 ( painful to shoot mother of all kickback lol) also a NEF single shot 10ga again, mother of all kicks. it hit harder than a woman on a bad daymy favourite gun though was my mothers taurus pt22. which again had to sell. taking a mental askicking over those and her watch. one day perhaps will rebuild my gun stash. friend has a barret 50cal. FUN to shoot. but @ $5 per shot it doesnt get shot that often
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: tialloydragon on May 30, 2012, 06:27:37 PM
Shotguns:
Remington 1100 sporting 12
Beretta Al391 Urika Trap
Remington 1100 LT20
Saiga 12 converted back to pistol grip (as it should be)

Rifles:
Remington Model 7 in 308
FN FS2000 bullpup
Marlin 1894 in 44mag
Keltec Sub2000 9mm
SKS
Walther G22
Remington Targetmaster

Handguns:
Springfield XD9SC
Glock 19
Kahr P9 Covert
Israeli Arms Kareen MKII
Citadel 1911 compact
Taurus PT709
Diamondback DB9
Magnum Research Micro Desert Eagle
Walther P22
Phoenix Arms HP22
Firestar M45
Colt Pony Pocketlite
North American Arms Black Widow
Leinad 45LC/410ga side by side derringer

I think that's everything. 
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on May 30, 2012, 07:46:25 PM
Shotguns:
Remington 1100 sporting 12
Beretta Al391 Urika Trap
Remington 1100 LT20
Saiga 12 converted back to pistol grip (as it should be)

Rifles:
Remington Model 7 in 308
FN FS2000 bullpup
Marlin 1894 in 44mag
Keltec Sub2000 9mm
SKS
Walther G22
Remington Targetmaster

Handguns:
Springfield XD9SC
Glock 19
Kahr P9 Covert
Israeli Arms Kareen MKII
Citadel 1911 compact
Taurus PT709
Diamondback DB9
Magnum Research Micro Desert Eagle
Walther P22
Phoenix Arms HP22
Firestar M45
Colt Pony Pocketlite
North American Arms Black Widow
Leinad 45LC/410ga side by side derringer

I think that's everything.

How do you like that DB9? I was contemplating buying their compact 380 instead of the TCP but heard not-so-great things about it.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on May 30, 2012, 08:27:25 PM
out of all the db9's ive sold @ shop only complaint was buyers remorse. no fonctional issues. trying to talk owner into explandingshop to include a shooting range. so one can test drive a weapon before purchase
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: jandbj on May 30, 2012, 09:37:23 PM
More than I need... But fewer than I'd like!   :2guns:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on May 30, 2012, 09:58:01 PM
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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on May 30, 2012, 10:10:51 PM
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Funny that you should mention that particular gun. I was at the shooting range earlier tonight and somebody that was shooting that very same gun, had it blow up in their face. Luckily nobody was hurt. It was determined that the retention pin (I think that's what it's called - the pin that holds the slide and everything together, the same one you remove to take it apart) snapped and the whole gun came apart while firing. The barrel was lodged in the wall. Pretty bad QC from Ruger IMO.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on May 30, 2012, 10:33:59 PM
Flux what make & model is the take-down .22 rifle?  What's the accuracy like at say 50 yards?  Does it fire to same point of aim when you break it apart and then reassemble it?
I have no idea what make and model that is, it's an antique and one of my dads (his dad passed it down to him). I have only shot it once and it wasn't very accurate (it also only shoots shorts). I need to pull it out an look it over some time, it's a neat old gun. Most of our guns are old family heirlooms, My 270 is the newest. The 30-30 looks almost brand new but it's probably pushing 25 years old. My dad bought it when he was in high school and has took excellent care of it. Still takes it deer hunting every year!

Oh. Well, I was wrong, lol. No idea then...they've made some funky guns over the years.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on May 31, 2012, 01:14:01 AM
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ive sold 3 dozen of them over the past 2 weeks. no issues. perhaps faulty maintenance of its owner? idk.

Funny that you should mention that particular gun. I was at the shooting range earlier tonight and somebody that was shooting that very same gun, had it blow up in their face. Luckily nobody was hurt. It was determined that the retention pin (I think that's what it's called - the pin that holds the slide and everything together, the same one you remove to take it apart) snapped and the whole gun came apart while firing. The barrel was lodged in the wall. Pretty bad QC from Ruger IMO.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on May 31, 2012, 04:25:59 AM
I have a personnel-sized railgun. FTW  :woohoo:

A MkII laser Pistol I won from Darth Vader in a game of Pachisi

3 M16s with never-ending ammo mags I was given by Rambo as a gift for assistance rendered.

Michael

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Unsane on May 31, 2012, 07:00:29 AM
Oh yeah? Well I have an M41-A Pulse Rifle

(http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/frontsquare/e041_aliens_pulse_rifle.jpg)

Its threads like this that make me glad I live in Australia.

Back on topic though - anyone been shot?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: applecrew on May 31, 2012, 09:08:41 AM
I've been at gunpoint twice and have lived to tell the tale. I REALLY don't ever want a repeat experience. First time cost my employer some dough and me a change of shorts, second time cost not only cost me a change of shorts but also my car. It's amazing what you will do when a gun barrel is pressed against your skull.
BTW, had I had a gun, I'm pretty sure it would not have changed either outcome and would probably have been taken from me.

That's as close to being shot as I would care to get. Not a big fan of guns, BTW, but won't dis any responsible person who is.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: dougdoberman on May 31, 2012, 12:00:04 PM

BTW, had I had a gun, I'm pretty sure it would not have changed either outcome and would probably have been taken from me.

Yeah, having a gun on your person is not a cure-all for every situation. 

On the other hand, it certainly is for many. 

Knowing which situation you're in is a part of responsible gun ownership.  :)

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Juan1 on May 31, 2012, 12:58:45 PM
I don't get the gun thing.  As a kid growing up away from the city I liked hunting and shooting.  Then I moved near a beach and realized guns aren't much fun, at least to me, relative to surfing, volleyball, or having some drinks.  I'm not anti-gun, I just don't get the appeal relative to other outdoor activities.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: john on May 31, 2012, 01:08:42 PM
I will not confirm or deny anything, but suffice to say I am probably the most well armed and stocked member here.

I have food for 6 months
I have water to last the same
I have enough to kill any zombie horde....
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: shonole on May 31, 2012, 01:33:29 PM
I will not confirm or deny anything, but suffice to say I am probably the most well armed and stocked member here.

I have food for 6 months
I have water to last the same
I have enough to kill any zombie horde....

Hate to break it to you, but you will never have enough.   :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Big Rich on May 31, 2012, 02:00:40 PM
Ha! There's always one more.........

I can't remember what all I have. My wife bought me a Beretta Neos as a wedding present, a KelTec P11, couple deer rifles, a couple shotguns, my Dad's first "plinker" = Marlin model 60 (?), and a Savage over/under in 17hmr on top with a 20 gauge underneath. I'm sure there's a couple I'm forgetting.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: dougdoberman on May 31, 2012, 02:18:04 PM
I don't get the gun thing.  As a kid growing up away from the city I liked hunting and shooting.  Then I moved near a beach and realized guns aren't much fun, at least to me, relative to surfing, volleyball, or having some drinks.  I'm not anti-gun, I just don't get the appeal relative to other outdoor activities.

I don't know about the others, but for me it makes up for my small pee pee.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: k.rollin on May 31, 2012, 02:44:52 PM
I am heavy into guns. Been doing gun projects for the last few years and I just got my Type 3 FFL (C&R) a few weeks ago so I could get dealer discounts, and I interviewed for a machinist position with Silencerco/SWR in March (and got to shoot suppressed and full auto firearms for the first time).

I carry a full size Smith & Wesson M&P 40. I've done a bit of trigger work to it, and it now has the smoothest trigger of any polymer framed pistol I've ever handled, breaking at 4.5 lbs. The reset could be firmer and maybe a little shorter, but I'm not complaining. I also have an extended and threaded 9mm conversion barrel for it from Storm Lake.

I just refinished my Henry H001-T and will be cutting the stock to fit a crescent buttplate to it in a few weeks. For my girlfriend's birthday, I restored an abused Marlin Mod. 60 and gave it to her. Also in the house are her Gen. 3 Glock 19, a friend's Gen. 2 Glock 22 that I'm working on, my .41 Magnum Ruger Redhawk, my Winchester 1200, and my 16" midlength AR-15. Previously owned were a 10" bull barreled Ruger Mk. II and a CZ75 P-01.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on May 31, 2012, 03:55:34 PM
The gun thing....

It's not all about exciting fun... It's about taking on s challenge and mastering it. From first hitting a target to ever higher scores etc.

hunting from afar does nothing... But being able to go into an animals domain and out stalk it to within a few dozen yards is anachievement over nature, long as you kill for food.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on May 31, 2012, 04:20:18 PM
used to hunt and target shoot and had a decent collection .. but sold them all off and dont bother now .. one day i might again but just dont have enough time to put into it for now that would justify the costs.

.... one other but ... i got no drama with seeing ppls lists etc ... but on a public forum ppl? .. ok i know the online names are semi anonymous and no one usually gives out their home location freely .. but .. ANYONE can see what you got .. and think .. hmmm that might be a good way to get my hands on some bangsticks! .. just sayin .. and there was a news report other day .. some lass took a photo of her grandads $17k when they were counting it at his house .. then she posted it on facebook as bragging kinda thing ... within 24 hours 2 criminals held up/broke into her families' home and demanded the money .. she and the money were elsewhere and not trackable ..

point is .. how public is your personal info elsewhere on the 'net? ...

and dont give me the "any criminal trying to take my gear is gonna end up in the grave" line .... are you sure its gonna be them? .. willing to bet your life on it?  :icon_eek:

sure the guys i used to hunt and target shoot with all knew exactly what i had in both pistols and longarms ... i've never ever made it a public online listing though .. just be cautious eh!!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on May 31, 2012, 06:19:46 PM
Ditto^^^...

For reals though.... I have some pointy sharp sticks. Ok, they are tooth picks....but don't tell anyone.  ;)

Michael
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on May 31, 2012, 08:13:18 PM
used to hunt and target shoot and had a decent collection .. but sold them all off and dont bother now .. one day i might again but just dont have enough time to put into it for now that would justify the costs.

.... one other but ... i got no drama with seeing ppls lists etc ... but on a public forum ppl? .. ok i know the online names are semi anonymous and no one usually gives out their home location freely .. but .. ANYONE can see what you got .. and think .. hmmm that might be a good way to get my hands on some bangsticks! .. just sayin .. and there was a news report other day .. some lass took a photo of her grandads $17k when they were counting it at his house .. then she posted it on facebook as bragging kinda thing ... within 24 hours 2 criminals held up/broke into her families' home and demanded the money .. she and the money were elsewhere and not trackable ..

point is .. how public is your personal info elsewhere on the 'net? ...

and dont give me the "any criminal trying to take my gear is gonna end up in the grave" line .... are you sure its gonna be them? .. willing to bet your life on it?  :icon_eek:

sure the guys i used to hunt and target shoot with all knew exactly what i had in both pistols and longarms ... i've never ever made it a public online listing though .. just be cautious eh!!

Lol, well I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be looking for that kind of information on here. There are countless gun forums where people show pictures of $10k guns and list everything they've got every day.

Moreover: what would have to go through someone's mind to where they would think it would be a good idea to go try to steal someone's guns? I wouldn't think even the dumbest of criminals figure it's worth getting killed over a few cheap guns.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: ojstinson on May 31, 2012, 08:38:47 PM
That's true, I would think that breaking into a gun fanatic's house would be pretty far down on a thief's list of things to do---of course there are some pretty dumb ass criminals out there.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on May 31, 2012, 08:49:03 PM
That's true, I would think that breaking into a gun fanatic's house would be pretty far down on a thief's list of things to do---of course there are some pretty dumb ass criminals out there.

Yep, and you'd have to have quite a lot for it to be worth risking their life to steal. Also, people that are really serious about it are going to have safes and everything else so the chances of them getting anything other than a lead sandwich are pretty low.

How many gun stores do you hear of getting robbed? Not many. The only thing I've ever heard of was ONCE, about 10 years ago, a gun store in Atlanta was broken into at night and the guy got stuck inside and the cops arrested him.

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on May 31, 2012, 08:50:45 PM
(http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/289372000/289372977/pix634533458.jpg) carry one in shop since shooting. have a 454 casull nearby as well as a 45 lc were never mroe than 10ft from a weapon if need be. i used to have one of these
(http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/288372000/288372776/pix609899303.jpg) after a sprained wrist from shooting this cannon i sold it. plus thats when i got sick so it sold at right time tbh
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: shonole on May 31, 2012, 11:19:03 PM
That's true, I would think that breaking into a gun fanatic's house would be pretty far down on a thief's list of things to do---of course there are some pretty dumb ass criminals out there.

Yep, and you'd have to have quite a lot for it to be worth risking their life to steal. Also, people that are really serious about it are going to have safes and everything else so the chances of them getting anything other than a lead sandwich are pretty low.

How many gun stores do you hear of getting robbed? Not many. The only thing I've ever heard of was ONCE, about 10 years ago, a gun store in Atlanta was broken into at night and the guy got stuck inside and the cops arrested him.

You'd be surprised at the number of guns that go missing each year in GA alone.  We used to get bulletins listing SNs, etc. and the majority of them were guns stolen from residences (some very large, expensive collections as well), with vehicles coming after.  In the south it's not uncommon for people to leave a handgun in their truck with the doors unlocked.   :cookoo:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on June 01, 2012, 10:45:26 AM
That's true, I would think that breaking into a gun fanatic's house would be pretty far down on a thief's list of things to do---of course there are some pretty dumb ass criminals out there.

Yep, and you'd have to have quite a lot for it to be worth risking their life to steal. Also, people that are really serious about it are going to have safes and everything else so the chances of them getting anything other than a lead sandwich are pretty low.

How many gun stores do you hear of getting robbed? Not many. The only thing I've ever heard of was ONCE, about 10 years ago, a gun store in Atlanta was broken into at night and the guy got stuck inside and the cops arrested him.

You'd be surprised at the number of guns that go missing each year in GA alone.  We used to get bulletins listing SNs, etc. and the majority of them were guns stolen from residences (some very large, expensive collections as well), with vehicles coming after.  In the south it's not uncommon for people to leave a handgun in their truck with the doors unlocked.   :cookoo:

Hmmm...well I think the point the other guy was trying to make was that they might come and hold you at gunpoint to steal your guns. Which, in my opinion, probably isn't going to happen. They may break in while you're not at home or something. Also...these people with these expensive gun collections...did they not bother to invest in a safe or something? I mean, this isn't the Italian Job...they're not coming in with all kinds of tools and other stuff to break into your gun safe, lol.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: shonole on June 01, 2012, 11:15:46 AM
That's true, I would think that breaking into a gun fanatic's house would be pretty far down on a thief's list of things to do---of course there are some pretty dumb ass criminals out there.

Yep, and you'd have to have quite a lot for it to be worth risking their life to steal. Also, people that are really serious about it are going to have safes and everything else so the chances of them getting anything other than a lead sandwich are pretty low.

How many gun stores do you hear of getting robbed? Not many. The only thing I've ever heard of was ONCE, about 10 years ago, a gun store in Atlanta was broken into at night and the guy got stuck inside and the cops arrested him.

You'd be surprised at the number of guns that go missing each year in GA alone.  We used to get bulletins listing SNs, etc. and the majority of them were guns stolen from residences (some very large, expensive collections as well), with vehicles coming after.  In the south it's not uncommon for people to leave a handgun in their truck with the doors unlocked.   :cookoo:

Hmmm...well I think the point the other guy was trying to make was that they might come and hold you at gunpoint to steal your guns. Which, in my opinion, probably isn't going to happen. They may break in while you're not at home or something. Also...these people with these expensive gun collections...did they not bother to invest in a safe or something? I mean, this isn't the Italian Job...they're not coming in with all kinds of tools and other stuff to break into your gun safe, lol.

Most of the time they'll just take the safe..  Lol.  Have you ever seen the videos of criminals stealing ATMs?  Same principle. 

I don't imagine there are many home invasions where people are targeting guns.  But I laugh at the notion that a gun is going to save your life when you're in the dead of sleep.  Are you even going to wake up?  If so, can you get to your gun?  If so, can you actually hit anything with it?  Have you ever tried firing groggy, when you where suddenly awakened by an intruder?  If guns were so effective as crime deterrents, we would have far fewer (residential) burglaries. 
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on June 01, 2012, 11:52:27 PM
That's true, I would think that breaking into a gun fanatic's house would be pretty far down on a thief's list of things to do---of course there are some pretty dumb ass criminals out there.

Yep, and you'd have to have quite a lot for it to be worth risking their life to steal. Also, people that are really serious about it are going to have safes and everything else so the chances of them getting anything other than a lead sandwich are pretty low.

How many gun stores do you hear of getting robbed? Not many. The only thing I've ever heard of was ONCE, about 10 years ago, a gun store in Atlanta was broken into at night and the guy got stuck inside and the cops arrested him.

You'd be surprised at the number of guns that go missing each year in GA alone.  We used to get bulletins listing SNs, etc. and the majority of them were guns stolen from residences (some very large, expensive collections as well), with vehicles coming after.  In the south it's not uncommon for people to leave a handgun in their truck with the doors unlocked.   :cookoo:

Hmmm...well I think the point the other guy was trying to make was that they might come and hold you at gunpoint to steal your guns. Which, in my opinion, probably isn't going to happen. They may break in while you're not at home or something. Also...these people with these expensive gun collections...did they not bother to invest in a safe or something? I mean, this isn't the Italian Job...they're not coming in with all kinds of tools and other stuff to break into your gun safe, lol.

Most of the time they'll just take the safe..  Lol.  Have you ever seen the videos of criminals stealing ATMs?  Same principle. 

I don't imagine there are many home invasions where people are targeting guns.  But I laugh at the notion that a gun is going to save your life when you're in the dead of sleep.  Are you even going to wake up?  If so, can you get to your gun?  If so, can you actually hit anything with it?  Have you ever tried firing groggy, when you where suddenly awakened by an intruder?  If guns were so effective as crime deterrents, we would have far fewer (residential) burglaries.

Lol. I mean, I keep my 380 on me most of the time (when it's legal to do-so, obviously - I do have the carry license though). I've never tried waking up and getting to it but then again, I'd pretty wide-ass awake if somebody broke a window which is what they'd have to do to get in. Plus, we have dogs that bark like crazy if anything goes bump.

As far as stealing the whole safe...uh, what the hell? I guess there are some high-roller criminals with the means to do so, but then again, they'd have to know you had it in the first place to be prepared to take it - right? I doubt that the common criminal that breaks into a middle-class home is going to have the equipment necessary to move an entire safe that's bolted to the floor, which is what I assume most people that have any kind of serious collection have.

Hell, a friend of mine has this huge Cannon safe that cost more than the guns he puts in it - you could easily fit yourself inside it. It's bolted to the floor in his basement. I bet it weighs in upwards of 1500lbs. How would they even get it out of the house without tearing out the wall? When they installed it they had to take the door frame out to get it through.

I don't know...I guess given enough time and the right equipment they can steal anything you've got but...like I said, it goes back to...are they coming to take that or is it just a couple of two-bit criminals busting out windows and stealing TVs that run across an enormous gun safe? What would they do? Come back later? I guess I can see that but then again, that's a pretty big risk isn't it? The next time they might not be so lucky...you know? But who knows...I guess it's all speculation, and in the end, you probably know more about it than I do.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: ojstinson on June 02, 2012, 04:44:27 AM
It's not going to happen at my house, no one is going to sneak up on me at home. I live on 3 fenced acres and have indoor dogs that go crazy anytime anyone or anything gets close to the house day or night, and even when I'm away there is always someone at home that has access and can shoot. When I was a cop in Miami a good 90 percent of guns stolen were taken from unoccupied vehicles.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on June 02, 2012, 04:53:48 PM
We have VERY strict gun laws down here in Aust...

1 - you must complete a 2 day Safety Certificate Course before applying for a license
2 - the license application must contain a copy of your safety cert plus proof of a Valid Reason for firearm ownership (shooting club membership / letter from land owner granting permission to shoot on their property)
3 - once submitted the application will NOT be looked at for 30 days
4 - once granted you can buy a gun the following way....

4i - visit police station and ask for a Application For a Permit To Acquire
4ii - go shopping for a gun. Once found, either take Application home and fill it out - or - have it filled out by Gun Store with Their Address as the address to send the Permit once it has been granted
4iii - submit application to police station with application fee (if this is your 1st gun the application will not be looked at for another 30 days, otherwise you'll have it within the week)
4iv - Gun Store calls when Permit To Acquire arrives. Visit store and complete transaction. The firearm's SN and other details will be taken down and submitted to the Weapons Licensing Branch to be stored with your details.
4v - walk out with firearm. A few days later you will receive a letter from Weapons Licensing listing your Firearm License details and the Firearms registered to you.

You cannot privately sell a firearm unless brokered by a dealer who does all the paperwork to notify weapons licensing.
Weapons Licensing can do spot checks on your storage facilities by giving you two weeks notice of inspection.

All firearms are given categories....

Rimfire, air rifle and shotguns are Cat A, Bolt Action center-fires are Cat B. Shot guns cannot have a mag larger than 2, no semi-auto anything on these license categories, you need other, harder to get, license categories to have semi autos and handguns.

Handgun is Cat H. Must attend shooting range X times per year to satisfy requirements for granting of handgun license.

After all this malarky.... over 95% of all guns confiscated from criminals by police are not, nor have ever been, registered in, nor show any record of having been brought into this country legally.

Even with all this hoop jumping, the number of people who own guns and who participate in gun sports in this country is on the rise.

Michael
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: VerdonD952 on June 02, 2012, 09:41:32 PM
heh   we can buy semi-auto (mini 14) at walmat.  with some paperwork is can be yours for the weekend.   Love VA and the USA. 
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on June 02, 2012, 10:48:38 PM
heh   we can buy semi-auto (mini 14) at walmat.  with some paperwork is can be yours for the weekend.   Love VA and the USA.
and can be made full auto with parts LEGALLY avail for sale at most gun shows. once health improves i want to reacquire my automatic weapons permit. i forget what its called nowadys
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: shonole on June 02, 2012, 11:39:28 PM
That's true, I would think that breaking into a gun fanatic's house would be pretty far down on a thief's list of things to do---of course there are some pretty dumb ass criminals out there.

Yep, and you'd have to have quite a lot for it to be worth risking their life to steal. Also, people that are really serious about it are going to have safes and everything else so the chances of them getting anything other than a lead sandwich are pretty low.

How many gun stores do you hear of getting robbed? Not many. The only thing I've ever heard of was ONCE, about 10 years ago, a gun store in Atlanta was broken into at night and the guy got stuck inside and the cops arrested him.

You'd be surprised at the number of guns that go missing each year in GA alone.  We used to get bulletins listing SNs, etc. and the majority of them were guns stolen from residences (some very large, expensive collections as well), with vehicles coming after.  In the south it's not uncommon for people to leave a handgun in their truck with the doors unlocked.   :cookoo:

Hmmm...well I think the point the other guy was trying to make was that they might come and hold you at gunpoint to steal your guns. Which, in my opinion, probably isn't going to happen. They may break in while you're not at home or something. Also...these people with these expensive gun collections...did they not bother to invest in a safe or something? I mean, this isn't the Italian Job...they're not coming in with all kinds of tools and other stuff to break into your gun safe, lol.

Most of the time they'll just take the safe..  Lol.  Have you ever seen the videos of criminals stealing ATMs?  Same principle. 

I don't imagine there are many home invasions where people are targeting guns.  But I laugh at the notion that a gun is going to save your life when you're in the dead of sleep.  Are you even going to wake up?  If so, can you get to your gun?  If so, can you actually hit anything with it?  Have you ever tried firing groggy, when you where suddenly awakened by an intruder?  If guns were so effective as crime deterrents, we would have far fewer (residential) burglaries.

Lol. I mean, I keep my 380 on me most of the time (when it's legal to do-so, obviously - I do have the carry license though). I've never tried waking up and getting to it but then again, I'd pretty wide-ass awake if somebody broke a window which is what they'd have to do to get in. Plus, we have dogs that bark like crazy if anything goes bump.

As far as stealing the whole safe...uh, what the hell? I guess there are some high-roller criminals with the means to do so, but then again, they'd have to know you had it in the first place to be prepared to take it - right? I doubt that the common criminal that breaks into a middle-class home is going to have the equipment necessary to move an entire safe that's bolted to the floor, which is what I assume most people that have any kind of serious collection have.

Hell, a friend of mine has this huge Cannon safe that cost more than the guns he puts in it - you could easily fit yourself inside it. It's bolted to the floor in his basement. I bet it weighs in upwards of 1500lbs. How would they even get it out of the house without tearing out the wall? When they installed it they had to take the door frame out to get it through.

I don't know...I guess given enough time and the right equipment they can steal anything you've got but...like I said, it goes back to...are they coming to take that or is it just a couple of two-bit criminals busting out windows and stealing TVs that run across an enormous gun safe? What would they do? Come back later? I guess I can see that but then again, that's a pretty big risk isn't it? The next time they might not be so lucky...you know? But who knows...I guess it's all speculation, and in the end, you probably know more about it than I do.

It's not hard to figure out who has large gun collections.  Many gun owners frequent pawn shops, so a little bit of casing goes a long way.

And they take it as such:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mng-SPNu6vI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mng-SPNu6vI

Those aren't necessarily the best examples, just some quick ones I pulled up.  Just remember, where there's a will, there's a way.  And criminals can be quite creative.  Not saying it happens all that often, but it does from time to time.

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Big Rich on June 03, 2012, 01:12:11 AM
Yama, a guy I work with got his a couple years ago. It took a while to clear all the proper channels, but now he owns a Mac10 (I think?). The entire time he was waiting for the permit to clear he just bought 9mm ammo.

The same guy also has 3 home made cannons: a small desktop sized one that shoots .50 cal muzzleloader balls, a medium sized one, and the big one.........shoots softball sized balls.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on June 03, 2012, 08:36:11 PM
ok this is in the newspaper so its all very dramatic for ppl to read but ...

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-news/fears-that-nsw-is-under-the-gun/story-fn7y9brv-1226377827009

i really dont think the crims care how your stuff is secured or what other external "safety features" exist ... they have time .. and if they want it .. they'll get it .. .

i agree the simple housebreakers probably not gonna try for the gunsafe right then and there ... but from that moment they know about it.. and think about it .. or pass the word along ...

a lot of 'street guns' are usually knocked around and not that serviceable ... nearly all the licensed ones are clean and oiled and in perfect functionality .. with cool 'scopes and laser dots etc .. ok there may be some good ones on the street too ... but everyone will want a well looked after gun to start with ...

again just my 2cents
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Big Rich on June 03, 2012, 09:57:22 PM
Janx, if a home is broken into a first time and the guns aren't stolen, i would like to believe home security becomes top priority. It really becomes the worst form of "invasion of privacy", and everything gets a second look. Outdoor plants, internal and external lighting, security systems, maybe a big dog is added, etc, etc..

A common street criminal has no use for any bells and whistles on a firearm. They want a cheap gun that works, and if they are smart will be tossed quickly afterwards. A scope in the hands of a criminal is next to worthless, and a red dot sight actually isn't the best thing either. Neither are guaranteed to be accurate, the red dot sight needs batteries and an "on" switch, and both are bulky in a concealed carry.

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: knowles on June 04, 2012, 12:06:42 AM
Glock 23
Glock 22 i think (sold it)
Colt M4 w/ tac light, single, semi, full auto.
Remington 870 police w/ tac light, pistol grip, collapsible stock
Beretta Ureka 12 auto shotgun
Rem .22 long rifle for my son
level lll vest

Got to shoot a full auto Glock, was sweet what made it even better was that i didnt have to pay for the ammo.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on June 04, 2012, 01:27:25 AM
Yama, a guy I work with got his a couple years ago. It took a while to clear all the proper channels, but now he owns a Mac10 (I think?). The entire time he was waiting for the permit to clear he just bought 9mm ammo.

The same guy also has 3 home made cannons: a small desktop sized one that shoots .50 cal muzzleloader balls, a medium sized one, and the big one.........shoots softball sized balls.
damn i gotta meet this guy. btw these are FUN to shoot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31vm3-BQRJU
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on June 04, 2012, 06:05:12 PM
@bigrich  :)

yeah agree with you totally for your points made. just with some of the methods used recently and by the groups that i reckon may be behind the break ins .. drug related organised crime etc .. plus the recent spate of drive by shootings around australia ... the weapons are slowly increasing in sophistication .. not always... pistols and shotguns sure dont need scopes and red-dots.. but a few situations have been sniper-esque ..

also some of the stolen weapons may well be sold just for their cash value to collectors etc .. however dodgy this seems.

not tryin to dramatise things .. just one of my "them" theories.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Big Rich on June 04, 2012, 06:33:23 PM
No worries on my end man! I am slightly aware of the general differences between U.S. gun policies and Australia's gun policies. Even the general attitude between the two countries is like night and day.

We all have different opinions, that's what makes this world great!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on June 05, 2012, 01:51:54 AM
I think the biggest telling thing in the article was this line: "I have been in the same shooters club for years and never had a problem."

Most likely, also getting their monthly publication delivered to your door. ANYONE can see what it is... a publication put out to people who belong to a shooting club. Might as well have put a big sign on the house saying "Criminals, guns inside here, home vacant between 7:30am and 6:00pm each day".

Michael
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: jestercinti on June 05, 2012, 06:04:28 AM
Had a conceal and carry permit once, and never did get a gun.   Null and void since I now live in a different state.

Have a 3 year old.  Nervous about anything other than a water pistol in the house.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: VerdonD952 on June 05, 2012, 05:44:31 PM
Had a conceal and carry permit once, and never did get a gun.   Null and void since I now live in a different state.

Have a 3 year old.  Nervous about anything other than a water pistol in the house.

Depending on what state your in, your permit is probably still good.  The one i got here in VA is good in like, well....alot of other states.  PA is one of the best states to get a permit in cuz its good almost every wear.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on June 05, 2012, 09:19:15 PM
Had a conceal and carry permit once, and never did get a gun.   Null and void since I now live in a different state.

Have a 3 year old.  Nervous about anything other than a water pistol in the house.

Depending on what state your in, your permit is probably still good.  The one i got here in VA is good in like, well....alot of other states.  PA is one of the best states to get a permit in cuz its good almost every wear.

www.georgiacarry.org <- great info for GA residents. The reciprocity is pretty good for GA too.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on June 06, 2012, 05:18:40 PM
Ok. Here are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
 -Rock River Arms LAR-15 Tactical Operator 2 (5.56 NATO)
 -DPMS Panther M-4 16" (5.56 NATO)
 -Yugo SKS scoped w/Dragonov stock (7.62x39)
 -Norinco SKS (7.62x39)
 -Scmidt & Rubin (swiss Mfg.) k31 in .308
 -Ruger Mini-30 Tactical (.308)
 -Ruger Mini-14 Rancher (.223)
 -Ruger 10/22 Full stainless w/laminate stock (.22)
 -Remington 700 VTR (.308)
 -1956 Winchester Model 70 (.270)
 -1953 Winchester Model 70 (.308)
 -Winchester Model 70 Featherlight (.308)
 -Springfield SOCOM II (.308)
 -MANY MANY more Antique/Collectible rifles
Pistols
 -Springfield XD-45 (.45 ACP) best carry i've had
 -Springfield 1911 G.I.
 -Para 1911 (10mm)
 -Ruger Mk III (.22)
 -Sig P226 (.40)
 -S&W Model 16 (.38)
 -Taurus PT145 (.45)
Shotguns
 -Mossberg 500 12g
 -Winchester Ranger 12g
 -Saiga 20g
 -Benelli NOVA 12g
 -Browning Citori Double 12g
 -New England 20g (HATE to shoot)

 It's quite an investment but an enjoyable one. My Step-father is a FFL dealer so I have the access to some great deals. Huge supporter of the culture but think it quite silly to carry to political rallies just because you can. Or open carry for intimidation purposes. If you act like an A$$ with a gun everyone thinks people who have guns are A$$es. If anyone sees mine it's because I have commited to using it if necessary.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: VerdonD952 on June 06, 2012, 05:39:40 PM
Hey Huff,

How do you like your rock ricer arms?  I was looking into them for a .45 acp but dont know anyone that has shot one.  What do you think of the weapon and how it shoots?  good craftsmanship? evenly balanced?  how are the internals?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on June 06, 2012, 05:58:02 PM
I'm actually waiting on it to get here from TX. Should be here Sat. I had a RRA Coyote and it was probably the best quality AR-15 for the $$$. Don't know about any pistols. As far as I know they only make the 1911 platforms in .45ACP and are top notch from what I here. You may be thinking of Rock Island pistols. Here is what I bought. Got it on Gunbroker.com for $950

http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=464
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: canucklehead on June 06, 2012, 06:14:18 PM
No handguns (used to shoot a Browning Hi-Power 9mm when I was in the military, but too many regulations up here in Canuckistan for me to bother owning one now).

I have:
 - Savage Model 99 in .300 Savage
 - Weatherby Vanguard in .30-06
 - a Browning Superposed 12 ga
 - a Mossberg 500 12 ga
 - an old No.1 Mk III Lee Enfield SMLE (.303 British)
 - a Lakefield .22 repeater
 
Used to own some others, transferred some to my oldest son, gave a few others away over the years


Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on June 06, 2012, 06:16:29 PM
Hey Huff, how do you like that Para 10mm? I've never shot one myself - hear the recoil is about like a .45.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on June 06, 2012, 06:38:37 PM
Hey Huff, how do you like that Para 10mm? I've never shot one myself - hear the recoil is about like a .45.
have heard this myself. do tell us huff
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on June 06, 2012, 07:16:13 PM
I don't think it's bad at all. Other than it being way too expensive to shoot, its the best of both worlds. Accurate as anything with amazing power/penetration and not that much recoil. I'd say far less than a 45. However i do shoot handloads in the 45 so it might be that I'm used to a hotter load. Great gun, just sucks the 10mm is all but gone.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on June 06, 2012, 07:47:28 PM
not have it anymore obviously .. but used to have a Glock 20 in 10mm .. not sure how the frame/recoil would differ from a para 10mm ... but..... used to shoot action matches at the pistol club with the glock .. they have a Major and Minor power factor division with the match to allow .38 and 9mm units to more fairly compete with the .40 (10mm) and .45 etc ..

now the memory is a little fuzzy (15 years ago) but i think that the 'power factor' number was 175 .. less than that is minor and more than that is major .... the power factor was calculated using bullet weight and chronographed muzzle velocity (and calibre I think?) .. but anway .. it is possible to go over 175 with a 9mm but accuracy would suffer and still leave it in the low end of the major range too...

most of the fellas had .45 springfield autos or similar for major .. and with a 200gn slug at reasonable velocity (for the match purpose) would give them a rating of about 220-230 ish .. with the highest i remember being 262 power factor ...

i had to 'prove' my 10mm power factor to compete in the major class .. so i made some handloads of respectable weight/velocity/accuracy and they factored at about 237 ... however just to see the capability by the formula i also made some MAX loads ... and with a 180gn gas checked lead bullet (no copper jackets on the range) .. i forget the exact muzzle velocity .. the 10mm came in at 296 .... the 155gn jacketed that i tested elsewhere factored at 309 ....

so .. i know the .45 can get up high .. but the 10mm beats it for upper potential .. and in the glock with 15 shot magazine .. its ... nasty.

those max loads though .. after running a 15shot series ... the accuracy for rapid firing was dismal .. and even for shoot/react/re-aim/shoot at a slower pace .. the recoil was decidedly rough on the hands.

just as an add on .. it wasnt as rough as my mates .454 Casull with heavy loads though .. that was just ...  :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on June 07, 2012, 08:49:26 AM
not have it anymore obviously .. but used to have a Glock 20 in 10mm .. not sure how the frame/recoil would differ from a para 10mm ... but..... used to shoot action matches at the pistol club with the glock .. they have a Major and Minor power factor division with the match to allow .38 and 9mm units to more fairly compete with the .40 (10mm) and .45 etc ..

now the memory is a little fuzzy (15 years ago) but i think that the 'power factor' number was 175 .. less than that is minor and more than that is major .... the power factor was calculated using bullet weight and chronographed muzzle velocity (and calibre I think?) .. but anway .. it is possible to go over 175 with a 9mm but accuracy would suffer and still leave it in the low end of the major range too...

most of the fellas had .45 springfield autos or similar for major .. and with a 200gn slug at reasonable velocity (for the match purpose) would give them a rating of about 220-230 ish .. with the highest i remember being 262 power factor ...

i had to 'prove' my 10mm power factor to compete in the major class .. so i made some handloads of respectable weight/velocity/accuracy and they factored at about 237 ... however just to see the capability by the formula i also made some MAX loads ... and with a 180gn gas checked lead bullet (no copper jackets on the range) .. i forget the exact muzzle velocity .. the 10mm came in at 296 .... the 155gn jacketed that i tested elsewhere factored at 309 ....

so .. i know the .45 can get up high .. but the 10mm beats it for upper potential .. and in the glock with 15 shot magazine .. its ... nasty.

those max loads though .. after running a 15shot series ... the accuracy for rapid firing was dismal .. and even for shoot/react/re-aim/shoot at a slower pace .. the recoil was decidedly rough on the hands.

just as an add on .. it wasnt as rough as my mates .454 Casull with heavy loads though .. that was just ...  :icon_eek:

Wow, very useful information! Thanks!

Anybody own a .357sig?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: MajorMalphunction on June 07, 2012, 09:37:10 AM
I'm not too familiar with the round.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on June 09, 2012, 03:20:25 PM
Just made another gun purchase - I got a helluva deal ($79.99) on a Marlin Model 795 new. It was a display model that had an enormous amount of bluing scratched off the tip of the barrel from god knows what. I re-blued it and took it to the range. What a nice little tack driver. I got a BSA red/green/blue-dot 1x30 sight for it too. Fantastic fun, and the removable magazine is really nice.

...best part is that it doesn't care what kind of crap ammo you put in it. Even those notoriously crappy Remington bulk .22's fire just fine out of it.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on June 09, 2012, 03:44:49 PM
I do quick like the Marlin 17HMR. Nice little gun and caliber that. Top combination.  :thumb:

Michael
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on June 09, 2012, 10:47:36 PM
I do quick like the Marlin 17HMR. Nice little gun and caliber that. Top combination.  :thumb:

Michael

I'm not quite sold on the Hornady Magnum Rimfire yet. I think the .22WMR (magnum) beats it out, ballistically speaking. I know the .17 edges the 22 mag out in terms of accuracy and trajectory, slightly, but I know it's also more susceptible to being affected by wind versus the .22. However, it's all so minimal that in practice it really makes little difference.

The reality is... a .223/5.56mm NATO will beat out any of that stuff every single day of the week. It's also, believe it or not, cheaper to shoot .223's than it is .22mags or .17HMRs.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on June 10, 2012, 02:29:18 AM
I do quick like the Marlin 17HMR. Nice little gun and caliber that. Top combination.  :thumb:

Michael

I'm not quite sold on the Hornady Magnum Rimfire yet. I think the .22WMR (magnum) beats it out, ballistically speaking. I know the .17 edges the 22 mag out in terms of accuracy and trajectory, slightly, but I know it's also more susceptible to being affected by wind versus the .22. However, it's all so minimal that in practice it really makes little difference.

The reality is... a .223/5.56mm NATO will beat out any of that stuff every single day of the week. It's also, believe it or not, cheaper to shoot .223's than it is .22mags or .17HMRs.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of the 22mag. But love the 17hmr. As for wind and accuracy. Here's some images. First shows the range. 3rd row, far left is my target. Second shows what my target looked like - I am shooting at a 10 meter air gun target at 110 yards with 2 inch roundels (damn small in otherwords). Third shows the grouping in Gusty conditions of two different ammo brands. Target 3 Hornandy I was getting buzzed by flies as I was shooting. This rifle was Not sighted in at 50 yards, only for groupings. All heart/lung aim points would have resulted in a kill at 110 yards in extremely windy conditions with 2 inch groupings - so windy sometimes I had to wait for the wind to die down cause it was moving my target board around.

I've never shot in such windy conditions ever. And yet, this round supposedly so negatively effected by wind to be nigh on useless in the field, has once again shown to actually be capable and all "no good in wind" claims just repeated hearsay by people who've never shot the round.

(http://i.imgur.com/ma6lX.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/yMI86.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/NjOIN.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/NeCxR.jpg)

In Aust, 17hmr rounds are like $15 or so for 50, while 223 rounds are more like $25 for 20. So it is far cheaper to shoot the HMR. Though the 223 round would be my favorite centerfire caliber for sure.

Another caliber which is really taking off down here is the .204 although I personally see no need for it and would just as soon use a 223.

Michael
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on June 10, 2012, 03:07:05 AM
I do quick like the Marlin 17HMR. Nice little gun and caliber that. Top combination.  :thumb:

Michael

I'm not quite sold on the Hornady Magnum Rimfire yet. I think the .22WMR (magnum) beats it out, ballistically speaking. I know the .17 edges the 22 mag out in terms of accuracy and trajectory, slightly, but I know it's also more susceptible to being affected by wind versus the .22. However, it's all so minimal that in practice it really makes little difference.

The reality is... a .223/5.56mm NATO will beat out any of that stuff every single day of the week. It's also, believe it or not, cheaper to shoot .223's than it is .22mags or .17HMRs.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of the 22mag. But love the 17hmr. As for wind and accuracy. Here's some images. First shows the range. 3rd row, far left is my target. Second shows what my target looked like - I am shooting at a 10 meter air gun target at 110 yards with 2 inch roundels (damn small in otherwords). Third shows the grouping in Gusty conditions of two different ammo brands. Target 3 Hornandy I was getting buzzed by flies as I was shooting. This rifle was Not sighted in at 50 yards, only for groupings. All heart/lung aim points would have resulted in a kill at 110 yards in extremely windy conditions with 2 inch groupings - so windy sometimes I had to wait for the wind to die down cause it was moving my target board around.

I've never shot in such windy conditions ever. And yet, this round supposedly so negatively effected by wind to be nigh on useless in the field, has once again shown to actually be capable and all "no good in wind" claims just repeated hearsay by people who've never shot the round.

(http://i.imgur.com/ma6lX.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/yMI86.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/NjOIN.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/NeCxR.jpg)

In Aust, 17hmr rounds are like $15 or so for 50, while 223 rounds are more like $25 for 20. So it is far cheaper to shoot the HMR. Though the 223 round would be my favorite centerfire caliber for sure.

Another caliber which is really taking off down here is the .204 although I personally see no need for it and would just as soon use a 223.

Michael

Good lord I had no idea you actually did have firearms...well +1 for you man. I do want to be clear that my uncle (a gun fanatic if you've ever met one) owns both a 17HMR and 22WMR both with scopes. I guess it could've been just the difference in guns (the 17 was a stainless Savage with a bull barrel, and the .22 was a similar model though I think it had a longer barrel), but it seemed like the .22 fared better in the wind. Of course I wasn't performing a test or anything. Just wanted to be clear that I wasn't just repeating something I'd heard.

Anyways, is that a Marlin?

Never heard of the .204. But you're right, you'd be better off with something proven like the .223. Here you can get a box of 20 for $4.99. Of course that's "Monarch" steel cased ammo but it's not like something like Federal or other decent ammo is that much more. The last time I was at Academy (sports store), they had a case of 1000 Federal Champion FMJ .223's for $249.99. That's 25 cents a piece if my 6AM math is working correctly.

Cheapest .17's are $15 for 50 so that turns out to be 30 cents a piece, and obviously a .223 is worlds apart for less. It really sucks for you guys that the 223's are so much more.

That .303 British is pretty popular down there isn't it? What's something like that run?

Here in the US the most "bang" is either 7.62x39mm, 7.62x54mmR or .223. For some reason the 5.56 rounds are a good bit more than the .223's even though it's the same thing basically.

Everything else is about $1 or more a piece. 30-06, .270, .243...308 Winchester....everything. $1 per bullet, basically. I think the 300 Mag is about $2 a piece.

The ultimate fun is .22LR. Box of 1600 CCI "MiniMag" 40gr plated round nose ammo is $100. You can buy bulk 550 packs of 36gr Federal plated hollow points for $20. What sucks is in the last few years they've almost doubled in price. .22's used to be as cheap as 1.5 cents a piece.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on June 10, 2012, 08:56:53 AM
It's also getting to the point that reloading is almost as expensive. My friend has a .338 lapua that cost about $4.00 a bullet. If he reloads it's around $3.75 for around the same quality. If he steps it up (not something I'd suggest in this calliber) it's about the same $4.00 for a little improvement but with time invested. That's why I stick to NATO calibers for recreation shooting. With the exception of 7.62x39, i can find 5.56, 7.62 NATO,  .45ACP or their equivalent (.223,.308) for cheap at a bulk rate. Now for hunting,  I've killed more deer with my .270 than I could ever remember. From ranges out to 500yds this has been my rifle of choice.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on June 10, 2012, 02:09:55 PM
Ex Mil ammo is cheaper. Like we can get chinese made stuff for cheap. But there's no way I can see putting some el-cheapo ammo through an expensive gun. Doesn't make sense to me. Why buy a $1,500 rifle and a $500 scope only to throw cheap ex mil ammo through it that looks like it will go off if you just pick it up.

Reloading. Yeah, people forget their time has a value + the cost of the reloading gear + storage of shell cases, primers, powder, press, etc.

Michael
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on June 10, 2012, 04:10:06 PM
Thats the great thing about military rifles. They are made to shoot whatever crap ammo goes in them. If I tear up a barrel on my AR-15 shooting tracers and lake city reloads it's about a half hour job to set a new one in. Granted the last barrel I bought was just because I wanted it, the one I removed was just fine after probably 20k rounds of the cheapest stuff available . I gladly pay $1000 so I can shoot cheap ammo without regret. This does not appy to $3000 hunting rifle, that gets loaded with ammo carefully selected for that gun in that weather for that application in that terrain.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on June 10, 2012, 07:58:40 PM
Oh yeah... old 303s are pretty big down here. And before we weren't allowed to have semi autos, there were heaps of SKSes floating around. Cheap to buy as well.

Though I prefer the old Swedish Mausers myself - 6.5x55. Throw on a synthetic stock and scope and you got a cheap kickass hunting rifle.

Another real popular caliber down here is the 243. Viewed as a kind of everything gun for the types of feral animals we get down here. But I have found a 223 still is more ideal for everything except maybe a water buffalo.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Big Rich on June 10, 2012, 08:15:51 PM
Speaking of 303 British, I have an old Ross straight bolt rifle. Looks just like this one:

 http://www.gunsamerica.com/918358148/Guns/Rifles/R-Misc-Rifles/79P_ROSS_RIFLE_CANADIAN_STRAIGHT_PULL_BOLT_303_BRITIS.htm

Peep sight only, and still accurate.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: k.rollin on June 10, 2012, 09:13:32 PM

Reloading. Yeah, people forget their time has a value + the cost of the reloading gear + storage of shell cases, primers, powder, press, etc.

Michael

I'm well aware of the opportunity costs, it's just something else I do for recreation. Not to mention it is the most economical way to continue shooting this:
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa210/VikingKarl/DSC_0235.jpg)

.41 Magnum isn't cheap and the lowest cost ammunition comes from commercial reloaders (BVAC, et al) anyways, so I figure I'll do it myself.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on June 11, 2012, 02:00:38 AM
Yeah, most pistol shooters down here reload their own. Nice bunch of guys too, they let me shoot airrifle on their range cause it's the only range that does 10 meter targets. They cannot believe how tiny the airrifle target is.

Michael
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: k.rollin on June 11, 2012, 12:42:50 PM
I shot 3P 10 meter air rifle in high school; those bulls were definitely small.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on June 12, 2012, 04:44:38 AM

Reloading. Yeah, people forget their time has a value + the cost of the reloading gear + storage of shell cases, primers, powder, press, etc.

Michael

I'm well aware of the opportunity costs, it's just something else I do for recreation. Not to mention it is the most economical way to continue shooting this:


.41 Magnum isn't cheap and the lowest cost ammunition comes from commercial reloaders (BVAC, et al) anyways, so I figure I'll do it myself.
That what happens when you get a great gun in a caliber that flops. My dad has the same gun (might be the super Redhawk, it's D.A.) but in .44 Mag. He bought it in the 80's and said he was conflicted between the .41 and the .44 Mag. Guess he chose luck, even if its still pricey to shoot. I ran into the same with my 10MM. Great gun, Great caliber, Horrible market for ammo. I belive Midway USA had reloding dies for the .41 on sale recently , check it out.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on June 12, 2012, 04:52:57 AM

Reloading. Yeah, people forget their time has a value + the cost of the reloading gear + storage of shell cases, primers, powder, press, etc.

Michael

I'm well aware of the opportunity costs, it's just something else I do for recreation. Not to mention it is the most economical way to continue shooting this:


.41 Magnum isn't cheap and the lowest cost ammunition comes from commercial reloaders (BVAC, et al) anyways, so I figure I'll do it myself.
That what happens when you get a great gun in a caliber that flops. My dad has the same gun (might be the super Redhawk, it's D.A.) but in .44 Mag. He bought it in the 80's and said he was conflicted between the .41 and the .44 Mag. Guess he chose luck, even if its still pricey to shoot. I ran into the same with my 10MM. Great gun, Great caliber, Horrible market for ammo. I belive Midway USA had reloding dies for the .41 on sale recently , check it out.

Really? Here you can walk into just about any Walmart and pick up 10mm, as well as most sporting goods stores, including Academy. Academy has TulAmmo 50rds/$24.99.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on June 12, 2012, 07:27:15 PM
aye theyre not WIDELY avail. but still out there. even if not at the local walmart ( hit and miss puns NOT intended, around here) most gun dealers can order it in. as you can too. gunbroker has it listed .50bmg is a Buddha Loves You to find ammo for less than $5 per shot though
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on June 13, 2012, 01:07:17 PM
aye theyre not WIDELY avail. but still out there. even if not at the local walmart ( hit and miss puns NOT intended, around here) most gun dealers can order it in. as you can too. gunbroker has it listed .50bmg is a Buddha Loves You to find ammo for less than $5 per shot though

Yeah. I was just saying for some reason, here in Georgia, they seem to be available from just about anywhere. Academy's ammo selection is just about the best I've seen from any major retailer outside of Bass Pro, except Bass is notoriously high with their prices.

Hell, Academy even sells, from time to time, the .50AE rounds, as well as the .500 S&W Magnum rounds. (Which by the way, are $60/20rds...they have only one kind and it's Hornady).
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on June 14, 2012, 12:16:56 AM
used to have em widely avail here. walmart was a loss @ this. but @ work we have a supplier who can overnight them. ( usually free if enough ordered) the 500 ammo and the .50 rifle ammo is some HEAVY shaZam! in the box. omg. 1 guy ordered 10 boxes of the .50 shipping box was fairly small. but damn it was heavy as hell
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on June 14, 2012, 05:43:08 AM
I can find 10mm, but I won't pay $40 for 50 rds. That's what it typically goes for at the only consistent carrier around here. i've ordered it for cheap but it's always forever before I get it. I can buy .50BMG or .50 Beowulf or even .500 Pistol all day long here. Hell, I even got a great deal on 5.7x28 last week. But 10mm is a pain.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on June 15, 2012, 01:28:38 AM
I can find 10mm, but I won't pay $40 for 50 rds. That's what it typically goes for at the only consistent carrier around here. i've ordered it for cheap but it's always forever before I get it. I can buy .50BMG or .50 Beowulf or even .500 Pistol all day long here. Hell, I even got a great deal on 5.7x28 last week. But 10mm is a pain.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=291747935 sadly close to same price time this is over with id say
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on June 15, 2012, 05:55:47 AM
Thats a great price. If i didn't drop $850 on this I'd be all over it.
 (http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh634/Huff1371/2012-06-12_17-50-29_680.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: k.rollin on June 15, 2012, 10:01:19 PM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=291747935 sadly close to same price time this is over with id say

Those are commercial reloads, just like the stuff from BVAC. Nice choice in components though, Starline brass is about as good as it gets for pistol, but 165 grain projectiles seem a bit light for 10mm in my opinion.

While we're showing AR platforms:
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa210/VikingKarl/DSC_0526.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on June 16, 2012, 11:00:35 AM
Thats a great price. If i didn't drop $850 on this I'd be all over it.
 (http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh634/Huff1371/2012-06-12_17-50-29_680.jpg)

Hahahaha! GREAT expression there.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on June 16, 2012, 10:40:42 PM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=291747935 sadly close to same price time this is over with id say

Those are commercial reloads, just like the stuff from BVAC. Nice choice in components though, Starline brass is about as good as it gets for pistol, but 165 grain projectiles seem a bit light for 10mm in my opinion.

While we're showing AR platforms:
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa210/VikingKarl/DSC_0526.jpg)
there are others there as well which werent reloads. tbh i wouldnt care if reloads or not as long as they were quality. as long as gun went bang when i pulled trigger, bullet came out business end, and gun didnt explode lol, id be game. 165 IS a tad light , but will do the job usually :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on June 19, 2012, 06:28:39 PM
10mm & 165gn ........ out in the field after anything big enough to warrant a 10mm .. yeah its light

on the target range where a lighter load and lighter proj mean less recoil and better follow up reaction time... ideal!!!  :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on June 20, 2012, 04:45:58 AM
I typically go for the 165gr. It's great for the range. I carry the XD-45 so the 10mm is really just recreational.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on July 02, 2012, 08:23:19 PM
Well I decided to endeavor to polish my Smith and Wesson .40. The upper is completely stainless steel so I was not extremely worried about having issues...I think it turned out pretty good.

(clicky for bigger pics)

Went from this:
(http://i.imgur.com/LYy2A.jpg)

To this:
(http://i.imgur.com/Iwclq.jpg)

600 then 1500 grit sandpaper did the trick for the most part, but what REALLY finished the job was some Mother's Mag Polish. That stuff is amazing...I'll be polishing the pipe on my SV with it next!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: lucky4034 on July 02, 2012, 08:31:44 PM
Shotguns:
Remington 1100 sporting 12
Beretta Al391 Urika Trap
Remington 1100 LT20
Saiga 12 converted back to pistol grip (as it should be)

Rifles:
Remington Model 7 in 308
FN FS2000 bullpup
Marlin 1894 in 44mag
Keltec Sub2000 9mm
SKS
Walther G22
Remington Targetmaster

Handguns:
Springfield XD9SC
Glock 19
Kahr P9 Covert
Israeli Arms Kareen MKII
Citadel 1911 compact
Taurus PT709
Diamondback DB9
Magnum Research Micro Desert Eagle
Walther P22
Phoenix Arms HP22
Firestar M45
Colt Pony Pocketlite
North American Arms Black Widow
Leinad 45LC/410ga side by side derringer

I think that's everything.

How do you like that DB9? I was contemplating buying their compact 380 instead of the TCP but heard not-so-great things about it.

Consider the new S&W Shield if you are looking for a single stack ultra compact 9mm.  Great gun!!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: lucky4034 on July 02, 2012, 08:36:38 PM
My small collection:

Ruger SR9c
Ruger 10/22 (upgraded completely)
Savage 93r17
S&W 15-22
AR-15

My next project will be to build another AR-15.  SBR in .300 blackout with a .308 HunterArms suppressor (just waiting on the ATF tax stamps) 
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Precisi0n on July 02, 2012, 09:22:37 PM
Picked this up a couple of months ago and have been quite impressed:

(http://www.slickguns.com/sites/default/files/57858.jpg)

Anyone out there use UMC ammo?

(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9132295/Host/2012-07-02%2022.11.52.jpg)

I've heard mixed reviews.  Some say it will shoot fine but is rather dirty.  Other have said that there are major quality control issues and have even seen a couple of FTF's.  Figured it's fine for cheep target rounds.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on July 02, 2012, 09:42:25 PM
Well I decided to endeavor to polish my Smith and Wesson .40. The upper is completely stainless steel so I was not extremely worried about having issues...I think it turned out pretty good.

(clicky for bigger pics)

Went from this:
(http://i.imgur.com/LYy2A.jpg)

To this:
(http://i.imgur.com/Iwclq.jpg)

600 then 1500 grit sandpaper did the trick for the most part, but what REALLY finished the job was some Mother's Mag Polish. That stuff is amazing...I'll be polishing the pipe on my SV with it next!
Holy shaZam!, what a difference :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on July 02, 2012, 09:51:45 PM
My small collection:

Ruger SR9c
Ruger 10/22 (upgraded completely)
Savage 93r17
S&W 15-22
AR-15

My next project will be to build another AR-15.  SBR in .300 blackout with a .308 HunterArms suppressor (just waiting on the ATF tax stamps)
get on gunbroker look up "bettergunbuys" ( firend of mine whom runs pawn shop and if its gun related he can get it for you MINIMAL markup.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: lucky4034 on July 03, 2012, 05:29:17 AM
Thanks!!

btw... if anyone is looking for a good gun forum...  www.ingunowners.com is an excellent site.  Very active forum with a lot of very experienced and helpful people/sellers. 

(don't be deterred by the fact that it stands for "Indiana Gun Owners" ... were still good people)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on July 03, 2012, 01:14:31 PM
Here she is. Running a mad mag. Still getting used to the two stage trigger in an AR.
 http://static.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh634/Huff1371/2012-06-21_18-05-10_111.mp4
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: comradeiggy on July 04, 2012, 11:42:40 AM
Picked this up a couple of months ago and have been quite impressed:

(http://www.slickguns.com/sites/default/files/57858.jpg)

Anyone out there use UMC ammo?

(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9132295/Host/2012-07-02%2022.11.52.jpg)

I've heard mixed reviews.  Some say it will shoot fine but is rather dirty.  Other have said that there are major quality control issues and have even seen a couple of FTF's.  Figured it's fine for cheep target rounds.
Bulkammo.com You can get much better quality rounds cheaper. I use UMC only if it's all I can get.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on July 04, 2012, 05:15:58 PM
Picked this up a couple of months ago and have been quite impressed:

Anyone out there use UMC ammo?

I've heard mixed reviews.  Some say it will shoot fine but is rather dirty.  Other have said that there are major quality control issues and have even seen a couple of FTF's.  Figured it's fine for cheep target rounds.

I was tempted by the UMC ammo. However, Walmart sells .40 S&W for $26.99 for 100. So that pretty much beats anything, even the el-cheapo "TulAmmo" or "Monarch." by quite a bit - and it's Federal. I'm sure the same is true of 9mm. Might want to check it out. Not sure how much you paid but Academy has the 250rd box for 61.99 and that comes out to be about 25 cents a piece. A penny more per shot and you could have CCI Blazer ammo, which is not bad. Better than the Remington I'm sure.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on July 04, 2012, 05:17:21 PM
Well I decided to endeavor to polish my Smith and Wesson .40. The upper is completely stainless steel so I was not extremely worried about having issues...I think it turned out pretty good.

(clicky for bigger pics)

Went from this:
(http://i.imgur.com/LYy2A.jpg)

To this:
(http://i.imgur.com/Iwclq.jpg)
Holy shaZam!, what a difference :thumb:

Thanks! Took...a while. LOL Stainless is an incredibly hard metal, as I'm sure you know. And firearm grade stainless is even worse!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on July 04, 2012, 09:46:08 PM
if hte ammo is diry, so be it. means youll just have to clean your gun more often. which isnt a bad thing. i like good ammo myself. but if its like bad porno, aka cheap and dirty. and its all i can afford, then i guess, i clean my gun
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: VerdonD952 on July 06, 2012, 08:51:11 AM
Had a great weekend shooting last weekend.

Took a trip up to the rents in PA (eastern).  Started off sighting in the 7mm at 200yards,  Was dead on for elevation and with the wind was about 3-4 inches to the left.  Had a 3 shot group at about 5 inches. (good enough for me...for now)  Went through about 4 boxes of 7mm and ill tell you, my shoulder was not so happy with me by the end of the weekend.

Saturday got out my Parker 16g P grade, and went and did a round of sporting clays. (100 targets)  beat my old man by a few birds.  total score was 62 out of 100.  again not bad, considering i only get to do this about twice a year if im lucky.  On a side note, we were following around a group of shooters from University of Vermont.  Great shots but would miss some easy ones.  They were fun to watch and great for conversation. not your typical college dicks.  Must be nice to afford a $10,000 skeet gun from Benelli.

anyway, just thought i would share.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on July 08, 2012, 02:35:22 AM
Had a great weekend shooting last weekend.

Took a trip up to the rents in PA (eastern).  Started off sighting in the 7mm at 200yards,  Was dead on for elevation and with the wind was about 3-4 inches to the left.  Had a 3 shot group at about 5 inches. (good enough for me...for now)  Went through about 4 boxes of 7mm and ill tell you, my shoulder was not so happy with me by the end of the weekend.

Saturday got out my Parker 16g P grade, and went and did a round of sporting clays. (100 targets)  beat my old man by a few birds.  total score was 62 out of 100.  again not bad, considering i only get to do this about twice a year if im lucky.  On a side note, we were following around a group of shooters from University of Vermont.  Great shots but would miss some easy ones.  They were fun to watch and great for conversation. not your typical college dicks.  Must be nice to afford a $10,000 skeet gun from Benelli.

anyway, just thought i would share.

I'm not sure what $10k buys in a shotgun. It's a smooth bore. It's a shotgun shell. Not much else to it, is there? It's not like there's a ton of engineering that goes into a freaking shotgun.

I think that my $100 Walmart Mossberg Maverick 88 (same as a Mossy 500) will break a pigeon just as well as the $10,000 gun.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on July 08, 2012, 07:07:41 AM
Shoot one and you'll know. Maybe not $10k, but a $2,000 shotty is worth it.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on July 08, 2012, 10:54:47 AM
Shoot one and you'll know. Maybe not $10k, but a $2,000 shotty is worth it.

I suppose you're right to an extent. I remember really liking my friend's Beretta semi-auto duck gun. Felt extremely well made. But I'd never spend anywhere near a grand on a shotgun. I'd buy my dream gun, a MkVII .50AE or .44 magnum Desert Eagle. I might even go for a .357 if one showed itself. However, those are kind of hard to find.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on July 08, 2012, 02:32:44 PM
Shoot one and you'll know. Maybe not $10k, but a $2,000 shotty is worth it.

I suppose you're right to an extent. I remember really liking my friend's Beretta semi-auto duck gun. Felt extremely well made. But I'd never spend anywhere near a grand on a shotgun. I'd buy my dream gun, a MkVII .50AE or .44 magnum Desert Eagle. I might even go for a .357 if one showed itself. However, those are kind of hard to find.
Ok, without this post ending up like the "animals in the road" post. Why the hell would you want a MkVII? Is it to show off in a display or do you actually want to shoot it? Or better yet, have you shot one? The .44 is kinda cool to shoot but completly unworth the cost for something other than the "I have this!!!" factor but the .50 is really about the most over-rated pistol EVER. It's way to heavy and unwieldy and really not that accurate, not to mention you waste a McD's value meal every time you pull the trigger. I've shot both and actually owned a gold-plated .50 . I will say it was a dumb purchase but the one major "pro" to it was I made like $700 when I sold it. Not trying to piss on anyone's parade but if you've never shot one I would definitely say "try before you buy" but at least they are easy to sell.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on July 08, 2012, 04:15:39 PM
Shoot one and you'll know. Maybe not $10k, but a $2,000 shotty is worth it.

I suppose you're right to an extent. I remember really liking my friend's Beretta semi-auto duck gun. Felt extremely well made. But I'd never spend anywhere near a grand on a shotgun. I'd buy my dream gun, a MkVII .50AE or .44 magnum Desert Eagle. I might even go for a .357 if one showed itself. However, those are kind of hard to find.
Ok, without this post ending up like the "animals in the road" post. Why the hell would you want a MkVII? Is it to show off in a display or do you actually want to shoot it? Or better yet, have you shot one? The .44 is kinda cool to shoot but completly unworth the cost for something other than the "I have this!!!" factor but the .50 is really about the most over-rated pistol EVER. It's way to heavy and unwieldy and really not that accurate, not to mention you waste a McD's value meal every time you pull the trigger. I've shot both and actually owned a gold-plated .50 . I will say it was a dumb purchase but the one major "pro" to it was I made like $700 when I sold it. Not trying to piss on anyone's parade but if you've never shot one I would definitely say "try before you buy" but at least they are easy to sell.

No offense taken, I understand many people buy the pistols because they're "cool" and they get shot once maybe twice then it sits in a box in the closet. I have, however, fired all three, the first being the original 357 model, second being a MkVII .44 mag, and the third being one of the latest versions with the rail on the top in .50AE - the one made by Kahr - or so I was told.

I want the MkVII because they're supposedly made better. I did not care for how the MkI in .357 shot, but I loved the MkVII. Plus, I believe some of the MKVII in .44 would also chamber .41 magnum. I know there are some MkVII's floating around that were made to chamber the .50AE round.

I could go either way with the .50AE. It felt okay, not as good as the .44, but was alright. Lots of bang...lots of money per shot. The .44 is probably the much more affordable choice.

Why do I want a D'Eagle? Because of its iconic status, because it holds its value well, and because they are supremely accurate and fun to shoot. The engineering that went into them is amazing to me, and I'd love to own a piece of history. They are unique and there is nothing else out there like it (that is readily available).

Lastly, yes, I shoot all of my guns every chance I get - even my little Taurus TCP pocket pistol.

As a side note...I considered the .357 but if I'm going to buy a .357, it's going to be a revolver. I still don't own a revolver and I want one. More than likely it'll be a Ruger GP100. Either that or perhaps a Taurus.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on July 08, 2012, 06:31:05 PM
hmm ... i like the gp100 in .357 , had a go at one too ... owned a S&W 586 in .357 though .. 6" barrel .. the bit extra weight feel did help a little with max loads (125gn hollowpoint with 16.5gn bluedot powder... they went BLAM!) ... the look of the gp100 is sleeker though  :thumb:

funnily enough the BEST EVER all time most comfortable and (weirdly enough) accurate pistol i got a shot out of though .. was a Ruger Vaquero in .45LC .. it did fit my hand like a warm 18yo boobie!!  :icon_twisted:

but at 10m on a range.. with measured breath aim and shoot .. 1st 2 shots snake-eyes , 3 - 5 shots made the quarter dollar and the last was a little high but still within a rabbits headshot from centre of furthest other shot. ... coulda been a fluke but for me i was hellaciously impressed with the gun.

as for $$ shotguns .. my old man has a $20k AUD Beretta DT10 U/O  .. he shoots different comps in A grade and veterans class and has represented Aussie in the team for the AU/NZ field&game championships and has been 'shootin' since he was a youngun (73 now)

I've had a go at the DT10 and it does make a difference for higher end competition.. weight, balance, length, sights, speed of target acquisition .. they are a lovely piece of craftmanship ....

would i own one?... hell no! .. that much for a shotgun!!!!!!!!! but he loves it.. its a kind of investment package for him too.

he has also owned or used various 'pigeon grade' and 'gold cup' and etc etc etc other competition U/O shotguns in 12g 16g and 20g .. so has a very wide area to base his evaluation on. he feels the DT10 was a little expensive but still worth it... his fav shotgun of all time is still the Browning A5 semi auto though ... his dad bought the 'family' one back in 1947 i think and various of his brothers and him have had one here or there ever since.

kinda the same as postie bike and a BMWs1000rr ... both bikes ... both fun and useful in their own way .. but not the same.... not knocking the Mossberg either... i love the old clack clack!!  :thumb: ..

 my fav pump action though is the Remington 870 with parkerised finish... used to have one with a mag extender too so it carried 8 shells .. 8 x Winchester SSG is a helluva way to get through a mob of pigs  8) ... that was before the Aus gummint decided we was all evil bad ppl and limited mag capacity to 2 or 3 shots .. at which point .. as well as lifestyle changes .. i decided to get out of guns for awhile .. not that i was a blaze-away tyro or spiting myself.. just the laws were getting more and more strict and it just got too much d__king around to suit me.

i wont need much in the way of bang bangs till the chinese invade ... then i'm a borrow me a .416 sniper unit and its poppin time!  ;)

but yeah .. $$ in shotguns/rifles/pistols can make a huge difference .. .not for just a days walkaround (though that too) but for competition purpose and week long comps etc with hundreds or thousands of shot fired .. even your shoulder knows the difference!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: VerdonD952 on July 09, 2012, 06:28:58 AM
Damn the Chinese!!

anyway,  the shotguns the boys were shooting were all custom.  Custom everything!!!  The stocks were replaced with ones with mechanical recoil pads, that took all but a lil of the recoil out.  They had weighted receivers up front that could be changed out on the fly. Even the choke tubes were being changed each station for the range and spread pattern needed.  These were pro grade shotguns.  Not to mention the blueing on them was freakin beautiful.  Now did all this improve their shooting?  nah, probably not.  They were good shots but me and my Parker P grade 16 can stand toe to toe with em.  :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on July 09, 2012, 11:12:16 AM
Kijona, if you know what you're getting with the Deagle and still want one more power (pun intended) to you. I haven't heard of any in .41 but they might have something.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on July 09, 2012, 08:45:34 PM
Kijona, if you know what you're getting with the Deagle and still want one more power (pun intended) to you. I haven't heard of any in .41 but they might have something.

I remember looking at a Mark VII in blued at a gun shop that had ".44/.41" stamped on the end of the lower. I can't say for sure they're all like that but I know they exist.

And yes, believe me, I've considered it for a while. I ALMOST bought the .44 MKVII because they had it for $799. It was in amazing shape. I just didn't have the money right then, then when I did have the money to potentially buy it, I took another trip to the shop and watched them sell it to somebody else. I was about 5-10 minutes too late...after it sat in the shop for well over a month while I gathered the funds.

Oh well, maybe it's for the better I didn't get that particular model - maybe it was junk!

The good thing is you can sell a D'Eagle in decent to fair shape all day for $650-700. So I'd only be potentially losing $100 on it even if I did decide to sell it.

Addendum: but I appreciate the heads up! :)  :cheers:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on July 10, 2012, 07:30:06 AM
Yeah, I got mine from a drunk in need of  beer money. I paid him $900 for the gold one in .50 then ended up selling it a while later for $1600-$1700. If/when you go to get one let me know and I'll put out my feelers for one. If you want a new one I can try some of my FFL contacts. Can't guarantee anything though.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on July 10, 2012, 01:55:31 PM
Yeah, I got mine from a drunk in need of  beer money. I paid him $900 for the gold one in .50 then ended up selling it a while later for $1600-$1700. If/when you go to get one let me know and I'll put out my feelers for one. If you want a new one I can try some of my FFL contacts. Can't guarantee anything though.

Hate the newer ones. I also don't love the way the .50 grip feels, and as you may know, all of the Mark 19's have the .50 grip (for modular function).

Thanks though! :)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on July 10, 2012, 06:34:00 PM
Don't like how it feels? Take it to Red Jacket for some Treatment  :thumb:

Michael
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on July 11, 2012, 01:44:02 AM
Shoot one and you'll know. Maybe not $10k, but a $2,000 shotty is worth it.
ive got to use a benelli skeet before. and i DID love it. love it enough to buy one? no. unless money was no object. then id consider it. but still id think no.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on July 11, 2012, 03:10:19 AM
Bently Shotgun... less than $300
Lamber shotgun.... over $1k
Miroku shotgun... over $2k

There is nothing like shooting the Lamber. Well worth triple the price of the Bently. Shoulders better than the Miroku. Baby bear just right.

Michael
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on July 27, 2012, 10:03:56 PM
Just picked up a 1929 Tula Hex Mosin-Nagant rifle (7.62x54R) with all the original goodies (bayonet, sling, tools, oil can, belt, ammo pouches, etc.). $99 out the door. Amazing. Kicks a little less than a 30-06.

Also left the same store with a Ruger P95 in Stainless. $299 with tax included, and a free box of ammo. Ruger sure knows how to make a pistol!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on July 28, 2012, 03:03:08 AM
Those old tula rifles are awesome for the money. I had one in 7.62 and really enjoyed it. Accuracy on a budget I'd rank it not far behind a k31 but better than my 8mm shoulder destroyer
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on July 30, 2012, 07:48:30 PM
Well, the Mosin is dead-on. Unfortunately the Ruger is...not. Windage is off and I'm afraid to f%$k with it for fear of messing it up worse, lol.

Nah. I just need to bump the rear sight over a hair.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on August 12, 2012, 09:56:26 PM
Well, the rear sight ain't budging on the Ruger. Oh well. I'll just have to use some 'ol Kentucky Windage.

In other news...I finally caved in and bought a 10/22. Basic model.

While it's not as accurate as either of my Marlin .22's, and cost almost 50% more, it DOES have a fairly decent line of accessories which is fun. I'd really like a different stock but they're EXPENSIVE!

(http://i.imgur.com/SvUUR.jpg?1)
(clicky for bigger pic)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 12, 2012, 10:38:29 PM
dad and i used to have several of these back when they were permissible over here ... you can remove that front steel ring/band and float/bed (fibreglass) the barrel.. to improve the accuracy .. our best one would still put 10 shots into a 20cent coin (roughly same as a quarter) at 50m ... which is a rabbit head shot 90% of the time .. 5-6 shots in same area at 100m .. it is a semi auto .22 after all!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on August 13, 2012, 12:43:46 AM
I miss my 10/22. I'm sure there's still a whole bunch of them circulating around the criminal underworld and on farms and in people's cupboards and and and...

Michael
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 13, 2012, 03:44:36 AM
Oh for sure .. Not so much the underworld but farms and 'forgot its' .. We handed ours in tho .. Orig bought 2nd hand for about 4hunj ... Every one was handed in for 7 hunj  :thumb:

Then the old boy bought a couple mint cond Brno model 2 bolt action .22 .... Of the early 70's vintage ... 5 shots in 5 cents at 50 meters .. And some real nice walnut on the stocks too

TYVM gummint buy back !!!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: iclrag on August 13, 2012, 10:14:53 AM
sswwweeeeeeeetttt!!
 i want a .22 bolt action... fond memories
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on August 13, 2012, 11:39:30 AM
Yup. I made some coin - but - by the time the govt stole the money from me to pay me for my guns I had paid my Extra medicare levy I'm not so sure.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on August 13, 2012, 07:18:20 PM
I miss my 10/22. I'm sure there's still a whole bunch of them circulating around the criminal underworld and on farms and in people's cupboards and and and...

Michael

I honestly don't know why people have such a hard-on for the 10/22's, other than at this point, there's an entire world of accessories for them.

My Marlin Model 60 is superior in just about every way. Longer, thicker, freer floating barrel; much nicer stock, less picky about ammo. You can consistently hit something the size of a 25 cent piece (about 25mm or so) at 100yds with it. It's also far less expensive. But, the downside is that 1) there's zero aftermarket for them and 2), it's got a tube magazine instead of a detachable box magazine like the 10/22. They do make a magazine'd version called the 795, but, it's not exactly a 'rugged' rifle.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 13, 2012, 09:16:50 PM
as a carry all day unit the ruger 10/22 was reasonably popular cos its short, the little 10 shot box mag was handy and pretty simple to reload.. especially if you carry a spare! .. it does get a little clogged with 'dirty' powder ammo .. so we just used to use winchester super-x ... of course its not as accurate as a longer heavier tube! ... but.. it was designed as a handy, short, rough-ish look little plinker .. not as a sniper unit! ..

there were good ones and bad ones ... if yours is second hand check the tube inside for a 'ring' about halfway up .. sometimes they got a tiny swell from poor maint and dirty powder ammo... but even the new ones ... some are great and some are average . yours is the basic model though .. and ALL their timber is ordinary... you want nice timber you get a deluxe and pay for it! ... or get a synth stock and float/bed the action into it.... works great!

it is handy for walking through tree laden scrub.. cos on a sling the barrel not usually above your head... doesnt get caught on low branches!

its the kind of little rifle that you have to appreciate for what it is.... not what it isnt

oh and i'm not all hung up on the 10/22 as best ever .. i'd much rather use the Brno Mod 2 for watching over a rabbit warren on a sunny arvo at about 100m .. but soon as we switched to walk around in the scrub and maybe 40 metres WAS a long shot... perfect!

oh and a simple little Tasco 4x32 scope on the top ... nice!

as an aside .. nearly all the mates i went hunting with .. we all used scopes .. we hunted rabbits for the meat and tried for headshots only.. about $9/pair at the local butchers .. but thats here i guess...

if it was just for fun/varmint removal i'd get out the .220 swift with handload 52gn speer hollowpoints at over 4000fps and then any bunny/crow/fox within about 450m was in for a bad time..

sure there are iron sight purists ... and fellas who are deadly accurate with iron sights .. i've used iron sights with great success too ... always prefer a good scope though in the end.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on August 14, 2012, 03:32:35 AM
As Janx said.... for walking through the scrub with a little 4x scope on it, it was a Great rifle.

Interesting what you said about the 220 Swift. In the August edition of Australian Shooter they ran an article about Most Reloaded Rifle Cartridge in Australia. They were...

1 - 223
2 - 308
3 - 243
4 - 222
5 - 22 Hornet
6 - 22-250
7 - 204
8 - 270
9 - 25-303
10 6.5x55
...
29 220 Swift

The two big surprises on this list, to me, was number 9 and that the 220 Swift had fallen to 29th place.

Also interesting was "... the 223 Remington, which first appeared in 1964. And although the .204 Ruger outsold the .223 Remington in its first year of production, Ruger currently sells several hundred rifles chambered in .223 Remington for every one it sells in .204 Ruger."

Michael
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 14, 2012, 06:04:33 AM
Wow I musts been outta the scene longer than I remember! ... Or the .204 wasn't that popular over here ... Never heard of that critter .. Between the old boy and I though we would have had most of 1 to 10 plus a lot of others over the years .. Mine were always hot loaded though cos young and fast was cool! O0

The .220 swift was never as popular as the .22-250 though.. However you could drive the swift harder .... Max speed I got while a 50gn bullet and the primer would hold together was 4165fps (this load shot crap groups tho)chronographed out of a ruger 26" barrel. Old boy had a 30" heavy barrel swift in a ruger but never maxed the load or had a chrono , wouldn't let me test it either  :icon_sad:

I do know when I sent the 52gn hollow points out at a tad over 4000 .. A crow about 90 meters away erupted! ... We honestly found the head and feet and wings .. The rest was too small or too hidden in the grass   :icon_rolleyes: .. Sure I knew the barrel would be toasted after about 1500-1800 rounds but hell it was fun ... Had a Dennis Tobler replacement barrel lined up but got out of the bang sticks b4 then...

I miss my swift and my Carl gustav 6.5 x 55 the most ... Next the .375 H&H ... In last place the ruger stainless .338 win mag with synth stock .. To group well it needed a 250gn spitzer at 2600.. Son of a b$&@@! It kicked.. Too light a weight and too hard in the stockpad! ... Don't miss that devil!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: iclrag on August 14, 2012, 09:16:45 AM
As Janx said.... for walking through the scrub with a little 4x scope on it, it was a Great rifle.

Interesting what you said about the 220 Swift. In the August edition of Australian Shooter they ran an article about Most Reloaded Rifle Cartridge in Australia. They were...

1 - 223
2 - 308
3 - 243
4 - 222
5 - 22 Hornet
6 - 22-250
7 - 204
8 - 270
9 - 25-303
10 6.5x55
...
29 220 Swift

The two big surprises on this list, to me, was number 9 and that the 220 Swift had fallen to 29th place.

Also interesting was "... the 223 Remington, which first appeared in 1964. And although the .204 Ruger outsold the .223 Remington in its first year of production, Ruger currently sells several hundred rifles chambered in .223 Remington for every one it sells in .204 Ruger."

Michael

.22 Hornet, hell yeah! not too many of those out here, infact only ever seen one and it was my uncle's. a TON of fun to play with though!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on August 14, 2012, 02:01:07 PM
When I used to take my 6.5x55 to the range, noone knew what it was. They just saw some plastic synthetic stock thing. But Everytime, after I shot a couple of rounds, the guys next to me would Always come and ask what it was. I thought this was strange until one day I let a mate fire off a few rounds while I sat at the next bench over. As soon as he fired I felt a shockwave wash over me. Fark. No wonder they asked me what it was.

I only used to put 20 rounds at a time through that beast. And when you hit live targets... begeezus... they stayed hit. Once shot a roo in the head and when we got to it the entire top half of the head was gone!  :o

204 Ruger. Yeah Janx, when it came out a few years back (2004) there were articles written about it in all the related magazines down here. Gun shops had signs up. Salesmen would mention it as an alternative to people asking about 223s etc. But I like to think the proof is in the pudding. If it was as a good a caliber as made out, word of mouth would have kept that sucker in good sales like the old stayers. But still, it's in the top 10 of reloaded calibers so there must still be a good number of them out there.

I have a sneaky feeling Ruger brought it out in the hopes it would take over the popularity of the 223 as a varminter. Least, that's my theory.

Michael
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on August 14, 2012, 06:42:07 PM
We (Academy) are supposedly the largest retailer of hunting rifles in the South-East U.S., yet, we never seem to have ANY .223's other than youth model single shot break-action piddly rifles and AR-15's. I've been wanting a bolt-action .223 for a long time but...to no avail.

We do have some on the website but...not anything in the stores.

What about a .17 Remington Fireball? The off-shoot of the .17 Mach IV.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 14, 2012, 06:50:26 PM
.17 rem ... dunno about fireball or machIV .. my old man shot foxes with a .17 rem for 15 years or more.. back in the day when a good skin was worth $30-$40 ... (late 60's early 70's) ... ive used his remington 700 bdl too.. its sweet .... affected by wind a LOT .. and after about 20 shots the accuracy suffers.. after 25 its crap! ... so cleaning that tiny little bore every 20-25 is mandatory!! ..

out to about 220 yards though .. straight between the eyes of Mr Fox every time .. barring wind... or heavy/tall grass of course .. that little 25gn bullet is really easy to deviate!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on August 14, 2012, 07:06:01 PM
Strange. According to what I've read, the .17HMR was designed to be more stable in flight than the .22WMR. The typical .17HMR bullet is like 15-17gr.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on August 14, 2012, 07:20:25 PM
Yup. My 17HMR shoots good - even in high wind at 110 yards rabbits are toast.

Michael
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 14, 2012, 07:41:46 PM
oh ok.. yeah the HMR etc are vastly different ..

.17 remington .. no other letters or acronyms is a centrefire unit ... necked down .223 case .. 25gn pill .. about 3,300 fps .. dad was spotlight foxes out to about 200m mostly with some out to 300m .. headshot only and usually between the eyes to minimise pelt damage ..it would handle some wind sure .. but for precision at night then calmest was best .. and i should revise the dates .. early 70's to early 80's ..

a rimfire barrel usually wont need cleaning near as much... but the .17 REM suffered as i said... after 20 shots it was time to clean the barrel and have a cuppa for 10 mins.... most of this shooting was also done in winter at night on the farmlands of east/central NSW.. Tamworth, Gunnedah, Manila, Armidale .. and then Southern Tablelands of NSW .. Goulburn, Yass and Crookwell.

the end of winter 1976 was his best $ year ... with $10k made from fox skins ... and less than a thousand in costs... lot of cash for that time!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on August 14, 2012, 08:00:30 PM
Yup. My 17HMR shoots good - even in high wind at 110 yards rabbits are toast.

Michael

:( Please don't kill the bunnies...
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 14, 2012, 08:12:56 PM
bunnies shmunnies!! .. go for a hunt and unwittingly walk over the edge of a warren .. which collapses under your weight ... and you twist your ankle and have to hobble in pain back a kilometer or so to the vehicle or house.... you wont feel so cuddly on bunnies...

little mongrels are like bloody prairie dogs or gophers over here! ...

bloke i know still runs the "septic truck" pumper in a country town of NSW ... when its full he finds a local farmer with a big warren and pumps the truck contents into it .. little bastids come rocketing out like evil smelling missiles... does the paddock substrate wonders for the fertiliser content though!  :D

paper target work is fine for organised comps or grouping target work .. but it aint huntin!  :cool:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on August 14, 2012, 08:57:28 PM
Yup. My 17HMR shoots good - even in high wind at 110 yards rabbits are toast.

Michael

:( Please don't kill the bunnies...

Why.... cause you think they look cute?

Ok Kijonas, have a read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbits_in_Australia ... "In Australia, rabbits are a serious mammalian pest and invasive species. .... within ten years of their introduction in 1859, rabbits had become so prevalent that two million could be shot or trapped annually without having any noticeable effect on the population."

Such a scourge are rabbits a Rabbit Proof Fence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit-proof_fence) was built to try to halt their spread. Here's some footage of that fence and rabbit numbers near it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgPhn4tYxJQ (the fence is over 2000 miles long)

We've had two different virus releases. The bunnies still persist http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGEJ4WAdfEw

Still wanna save the bunnies?

Michael
Title: Gun Owners?
Post by: doop500 on August 14, 2012, 10:06:36 PM
Red-Ryder bb-gun  slightly modified stock. While i was chasing a raccoon, i fell and broke it on the dirt.
 
Daisy .177 pellet rifle   I can pump this gun about 11 times for the most powerful shot it can give. To be a badass i usually pump it an extra pump for good measure.

Accuracy within a 5' diameter from 10' away with the red-ryder (yeah dont believe me?? Try me. It also makes a loud boink springy sound when it fires.)

Pellet gun can severely injure a squirrel from an estimated 24'

Short story is...
Dont mess with me.





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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 14, 2012, 10:12:55 PM
onya doop !!! ... its good you weighed in with your reality check! ... sometimes the high end of the rifle market distorts a persons vision!  :D

 O0
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on August 14, 2012, 11:06:22 PM
HA! Guy at work starting telling people how he was shooting the small black metal pistol silhouette targets at 150 meters with an air rifle. I said, oh were you using the same type of air rifle they use in the Olympics? He said "Yes." I said, "well then, you are full of sh!t." And everyone listening to his story just looked at me, mouths agape.

I said, "Mate, those things shoot maybe at 12 ftlbs and are designed for 10 meter competition and would be lucky to make 150 meters let alone knock over a metal target. And a small target like that, on a gun you have never shot before. Yeah, you're full of sh!t.

People looked from me, to him, back to me, back at him. He just shut up and walked away.

I was praised by the others for finally calling him out on his bullsh!t stories.

Michael
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 14, 2012, 11:52:34 PM
reckon if he had kept it realistic.. 15meters maybe...

but yeah ... for some there is no salvation!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on August 15, 2012, 11:29:21 PM
Eh. I just like rabbits. :p

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on August 16, 2012, 01:14:25 AM
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2/yamahonkawazuki/ratgun.jpg) the rat gun. an ar50 a1
 fun to shoot. but if youre leaning in wrong direction or not lying prone you will fly....backwards.


Sent from my arse using flatulence
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 16, 2012, 04:45:00 AM
Eh. I just like rabbits. :p

I like rabbits too! ... Couple carrots, onion, few spuds, tablespoon of mixed herbs, sections of tender rabbit .. Gentle simmer for about 90 mins with lid on ...  :woohoo: yummy!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on August 16, 2012, 02:27:16 PM
Eh. I just like rabbits. :p

I like rabbits too! ... Couple carrots, onion, few spuds, tablespoon of mixed herbs, sections of tender rabbit .. Gentle simmer for about 90 mins with lid on ...  :woohoo: yummy!

*roll eyes*
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on August 16, 2012, 03:06:30 PM
Eh. I just like rabbits. :p

I like rabbits too! ... Couple carrots, onion, few spuds, tablespoon of mixed herbs, sections of tender rabbit .. Gentle simmer for about 90 mins with lid on ...  :woohoo: yummy!

*roll eyes*

Ha, we do have an emoticon for that  :icon_rolleyes:

So, moving on... what shotgun is yours of choice?

Michael
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 16, 2012, 05:46:55 PM
who.. Kij or me?...

anyway .. Browning A5 .. at least when we were allowed to have them...... or Remington 870 Pump with mag ext (8 shot total) matte finish .. it was so ... MACHO!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on August 16, 2012, 07:44:32 PM
Maverick 88. Same thing as Mossberg 500 minus drilled & tapped receiver.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on August 18, 2012, 09:00:51 AM
Hands down. Best shotty for the money. Benelli Nova. Dirt cheap for what you get.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on August 18, 2012, 08:51:25 PM
Well, I ran across a deal that was too good to pass up.

(http://i.imgur.com/v9IU7.jpg?1)

DO YA FEEL LUCKY PUNK? WELL...DO YA??
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 19, 2012, 01:37:38 AM
Nice ! .. Even if it ain't a S&W mod 29!  ;) .. Got mice in the basement have ya?! Lol :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: GI_JO_NATHAN on August 19, 2012, 06:49:41 AM
Can't remember if I've ever posted up in this thread. Might as well.

Mossberg 500 under the bed.
SA XD40subcompact in the console(sometimes in the CBST.)
S&W Bodyguard 380 in the pocket(always.)

Almost forgot.
Stevens Model 62 .22 rifle for the son.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on August 19, 2012, 03:51:51 PM
Welp. Went to the range today to shoot the .44...

The cylinder has timing issues and the forcing cone is off-kilter. The result is bits of the bullet being shaved off when it's fired and/or the cylinder locking up.

Will be sending it back to Taurus for repair. Should go well, they are very good.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Alphad0g on August 20, 2012, 11:28:40 PM
Colt AR-22, modified with a red dot and foregrip
Old S&W .38 special.
Some old-as-dirt 12 guage.

Planning on getting myself a 1911 soon. Cop friend brought his down the other day, and I fell in love with that gun.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 20, 2012, 11:40:35 PM
eh Kij, not tryin to ruin your fun.... and it might be the photo or just the styling... but that .44 (now that i look at it on laptop with reasonable screen) ... almost looks like the barrel is tilted up.. just a few degrees.... as in.... dropped on its nose by PO? ... would certainly explain cylinder bind and forcing cone issue?!...

hoping its just the photo though ... bent barrel/frame sux!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on August 21, 2012, 06:04:54 PM
eh Kij, not tryin to ruin your fun.... and it might be the photo or just the styling... but that .44 (now that i look at it on laptop with reasonable screen) ... almost looks like the barrel is tilted up.. just a few degrees.... as in.... dropped on its nose by PO? ... would certainly explain cylinder bind and forcing cone issue?!...

hoping its just the photo though ... bent barrel/frame sux!

I bought it brand new. It was the display model at Academy. My guess is people were cowboy'ing it.

The forcing cone issue is to one side, not vertically.

There is sufficient space between the cone and cylinder as well. I'm hoping what it was was the buildup of lead/copper on the face of the cylinder.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on August 21, 2012, 06:06:05 PM
As heavy as the barrel/gun is, I would guess it would take significant force to bend. Plus, it's hardened.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on August 21, 2012, 11:08:51 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/SVvSK.jpg)

Tell me if you still see it.  :icon_eek:

By the way that is a Ruger P95 stainless.

Clicky for bigger pic.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 22, 2012, 12:02:24 AM
Hrrrm ... As I say it could be just the photo and/or the way the sights are on the .44 giving that illusion of not straight ...  :dunno_black:

But it does not actually take heavy force to bend one .. And not exactly the barrel bends .. It's usually the frame right at the front of the cylinder area ... If the end of the barrel is struck downwards sharply onto a firm enough surface the length of barrel makes a pretty good lever ..

I have done it myself to a S&W mod 19 in .357 .. Just not paying attention and dropped my hand down past a bench top ...  :icon_eek: ... Being a dispose and practicing quick aims etc .

It's the top of the frame that bells upward just a tiny bit

And again I do hope yours is NOT bent .. It was just my initial 'that's not right' reaction bro  :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on August 22, 2012, 03:18:39 AM
When I hold a piece of paper on the screen so it is flush with the barrel, it hits/lines-up-with the top of the cylinder out of alignment, and out where the frame and cylinder meet at the bottom. Could be optical illusion.

Having said that, I have done the same with pics of bike forks and they looked off in the pics but were fine in real life, according to the picture taker.

Michael
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on August 22, 2012, 04:16:57 PM
When I hold a piece of paper on the screen so it is flush with the barrel, it hits/lines-up-with the top of the cylinder out of alignment, and out where the frame and cylinder meet at the bottom. Could be optical illusion.

Having said that, I have done the same with pics of bike forks and they looked off in the pics but were fine in real life, according to the picture taker.

Michael

What do you mean? I'm not sure if you're confirming it's off or?

Also, it's a picture taken with my phone. It could be just distortion from the lens.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on August 22, 2012, 06:39:56 PM
Don't know if I'm reading this correctly. If you think it's been bent. Measure the spacing on the cylinder all the way aruound. That will tell you alignment on the cylinder. As far as the barrel being bent or the frame (especially on a heavy caliber) warped..... I doubt it VERY VERY much. You should be able to throw that thing off a building and it stay straight. That being said, It's not uncommon for some dumbass to drop it and bend or distort the sights. Not a hard fix, but worthy of using the pistol to bash said dumbass in the head. However, if it is jacked up, contact the Manufacturer. We had a Taurus 92F (Beretta Clone) come in with smashed grip, not allowing a mag to go in. Paid the guy $50 and after contacting Taurus they replaced it for FREE. Regardless of the obvious neglectfull damage. Bu again, I seriously doubt thats the case here.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on August 22, 2012, 07:45:55 PM
Don't know if I'm reading this correctly. If you think it's been bent. Measure the spacing on the cylinder all the way aruound. That will tell you alignment on the cylinder. As far as the barrel being bent or the frame (especially on a heavy caliber) warped..... I doubt it VERY VERY much. You should be able to throw that thing off a building and it stay straight. That being said, It's not uncommon for some dumbass to drop it and bend or distort the sights. Not a hard fix, but worthy of using the pistol to bash said dumbass in the head. However, if it is jacked up, contact the Manufacturer. We had a Taurus 92F (Beretta Clone) come in with smashed grip, not allowing a mag to go in. Paid the guy $50 and after contacting Taurus they replaced it for FREE. Regardless of the obvious neglectfull damage. Bu again, I seriously doubt thats the case here.

Well, it has actually already been shipped off to Taurus. It's with them now. I described the issue, in detail, both to the guy on the phone and included it on a nice letter I sent in the box.

Let's hope it comes back fixed.

My thinking was that if the frame or barrel or anything on the gun was that easily bent, it wouldn't be able to to withstand the massive force behind the .44 mags. *shrugs* That's just me, though. Wouldn't believe that just dropping it would 'eff it up that much.

You mean PT92? Lol. I get them mixed up too. Why not, though, ya know? It's essentially the same gun and in some ways, I like the PT92 more - especially for the price.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 22, 2012, 08:20:56 PM
yeah.. that taurus frame is pretty fat/strong...and i do really honestly sincerely hope that its just the photo..i DONT want you to have a bent.44 .. though that fix is possible too.... but the 'massive force' theory ... yeah i get that ... but the frame IS designed for force/recoil in a forward backward direction.... the cylinder is designed with radial explosive force strength in mind .. etc etc ..

take a piece of water pipe .. say 1" stuff ... about 12" long ... compressed from the ends its hugely strong but ultimately will distort and bend/break with high force... compressed from the sides and its still very strong but crushable with enough force ... now weld that water pipe at one end to a plate ... yep .. however nice a weld you want ... and then with the plate reasonably secure .. strike at the open end of the pipe with a hammer or 4"x2" ... its still plenty strong.. but a lot easier to damage ..

i did honestly bend the top frame on my S&W Mod 19 ... if it had been the S&W 586 i doubt it would have done the same thing.. as the 586 has the much heavier full length underlug ... just sayin its possible

oh .... and .. 'it was brand new' .. does not match with 'forcing cone issue' or 'copper/lead fouling/buildup' on face of cylinder.. a display model to my mind... might have sticky fingerprints all over it, might have some visible wear at the rear of the trigger from testing/cowboying it as this one does?, might have been a little rough handled ...

but unless it was poorly manufactured to start with or mistreated for the forcing cone problem ... fired often and not cleaned properly each time for the lead and copper fouling ... and knocked around or mistreated in some way for the cylinder timing... then its inherent strength should mean its all A-OK .. yeah?!

oh... and is that a magnaport below the front sight? ... on a 4" barrel?.. . in a .44mag? ...  :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on August 22, 2012, 10:28:14 PM
yeah.. that taurus frame is pretty fat/strong...and i do really honestly sincerely hope that its just the photo..i DONT want you to have a bent.44 .. though that fix is possible too.... but the 'massive force' theory ... yeah i get that ... but the frame IS designed for force/recoil in a forward backward direction.... the cylinder is designed with radial explosive force strength in mind .. etc etc ..

take a piece of water pipe .. say 1" stuff ... about 12" long ... compressed from the ends its hugely strong but ultimately will distort and bend/break with high force... compressed from the sides and its still very strong but crushable with enough force ... now weld that water pipe at one end to a plate ... yep .. however nice a weld you want ... and then with the plate reasonably secure .. strike at the open end of the pipe with a hammer or 4"x2" ... its still plenty strong.. but a lot easier to damage ..

i did honestly bend the top frame on my S&W Mod 19 ... if it had been the S&W 586 i doubt it would have done the same thing.. as the 586 has the much heavier full length underlug ... just sayin its possible

oh .... and .. 'it was brand new' .. does not match with 'forcing cone issue' or 'copper/lead fouling/buildup' on face of cylinder.. a display model to my mind... might have sticky fingerprints all over it, might have some visible wear at the rear of the trigger from testing/cowboying it as this one does?, might have been a little rough handled ...

but unless it was poorly manufactured to start with or mistreated for the forcing cone problem ... fired often and not cleaned properly each time for the lead and copper fouling ... and knocked around or mistreated in some way for the cylinder timing... then its inherent strength should mean its all A-OK .. yeah?!

oh... and is that a magnaport below the front sight? ... on a 4" barrel?.. . in a .44mag? ...  :icon_eek:

My thinking/hoping is that people mistreated it as a display model OR it was defective from the factory. The shavings were about 0.25 thick. It's only off by JUST a hair. I think it's possible the thing just got way too loose from people slamming the cylinder shut repeatedly while it was spinning. The cylinder lock up was quite weak from the start.

The issue with it seizing up only happened after it was fired.

It appeared there was too much material on one side of the forcing cone. I think it just needs to be honed. As far as locking up...possible it's those bits of bullet getting hung up in there. Or, the timing is screwed up from being slammed shut a bunch. Who knows. I can only hope that Taurus figures out what it is.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on August 23, 2012, 12:00:13 AM
I cannot speak for you 44, but I know Tikka test fires before being shipped - part of QC and part of Proving the gun shoots Sub MOA out of the box as the text target is shipped with the rifle.

Honda, Suzuki, test ride their bikes in all gears up to redline to make sure they perform.

Michael
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on August 23, 2012, 03:55:53 AM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5lz3bRQ361rsrurxo1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: GI_JO_NATHAN on August 23, 2012, 05:50:35 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on August 23, 2012, 11:14:02 AM
PT92.....92F same shaZam!. Well almost. But yeah it was PT92
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on August 23, 2012, 11:36:05 AM
Do you have the right to self defense via the means of your choosing?  Is gun control merely a monopolization of guns in the hands of the govt? Mikes Adams the health Ranger makes his case http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9LWioXYaic
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on August 23, 2012, 01:18:12 PM
Do you have the right to self defense via the means of your choosing?  Is gun control merely a monopolization of guns in the hands of the govt? Mikes Adams the health Ranger makes his case http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9LWioXYaic

Honestly people need to just stop bitching, at least that's my theory. We're the most liberal with guns as you can find. I can go buy a case of pistols or assault rifles if I want to...not a single eyebrow will be raised.

It's TRUE that the gun laws only hurt law abiding citizens but I suppose...the alternative is that if there was NO gun control, it would be far easier for -criminals- to get a hold of them. Say, for instance, you didn't have to fill out any paperwork or pass a background check to buy a gun. Any-old-body could just walk into a store, buy several dozen guns, then go commit a crime with them.

I don't want just any-old-body having free access to guns. But, as far as trying to control anything ELSE, I believe it's a no-no. I don't like how it's become a class-based ownership when it comes to automatic weapons. It costs a LOT of money to own one. I don't mind the paperwork - it just shouldn't cost as much as it does.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on August 23, 2012, 10:49:15 PM
As heavy as the barrel/gun is, I would guess it would take significant force to bend. Plus, it's hardened.
ill second that. i sell guns @ work. almost sold the rat gun yesterday, wed. also was showing an XDS, man i liked the feel of that weapon. a small gun for a 45 but still felt good. like it would be easy to control. anyone here shot one?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on August 24, 2012, 04:00:57 AM
Do you have the right to self defense via the means of your choosing?  Is gun control merely a monopolization of guns in the hands of the govt? Mikes Adams the health Ranger makes his case http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9LWioXYaic

Honestly people need to just stop bitching, at least that's my theory. We're the most liberal with guns as you can find. I can go buy a case of pistols or assault rifles if I want to...not a single eyebrow will be raised.

It's TRUE that the gun laws only hurt law abiding citizens but I suppose...the alternative is that if there was NO gun control, it would be far easier for -criminals- to get a hold of them. Say, for instance, you didn't have to fill out any paperwork or pass a background check to buy a gun. Any-old-body could just walk into a store, buy several dozen guns, then go commit a crime with them.

I don't want just any-old-body having free access to guns. But, as far as trying to control anything ELSE, I believe it's a no-no. I don't like how it's become a class-based ownership when it comes to automatic weapons. It costs a LOT of money to own one. I don't mind the paperwork - it just shouldn't cost as much as it does.

Easier for criminals to get guns?

Have you read anything I've written in this thread?

let me repeat for the hard of seeing and comprehending...

In Australia to buy a gun you need a Weapons Licensed which is issued by the Police. They will not issue a license to you if you have a conviction. To buy ammo you need to present your Weapons License.

With these Tough laws, Criminals have no problems getting hold of guns. guns which, when busted by the police, show no evidence of having been brought into the country.

So, tell me again how gun laws stop criminals getting hold of guns...

Michael
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on August 24, 2012, 12:23:43 PM
Do you have the right to self defense via the means of your choosing?  Is gun control merely a monopolization of guns in the hands of the govt? Mikes Adams the health Ranger makes his case http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9LWioXYaic

Honestly people need to just stop bitching, at least that's my theory. We're the most liberal with guns as you can find. I can go buy a case of pistols or assault rifles if I want to...not a single eyebrow will be raised.

It's TRUE that the gun laws only hurt law abiding citizens but I suppose...the alternative is that if there was NO gun control, it would be far easier for -criminals- to get a hold of them. Say, for instance, you didn't have to fill out any paperwork or pass a background check to buy a gun. Any-old-body could just walk into a store, buy several dozen guns, then go commit a crime with them.

I don't want just any-old-body having free access to guns. But, as far as trying to control anything ELSE, I believe it's a no-no. I don't like how it's become a class-based ownership when it comes to automatic weapons. It costs a LOT of money to own one. I don't mind the paperwork - it just shouldn't cost as much as it does.

Easier for criminals to get guns?

Have you read anything I've written in this thread?

let me repeat for the hard of seeing and comprehending...

In Australia to buy a gun you need a Weapons Licensed which is issued by the Police. They will not issue a license to you if you have a conviction. To buy ammo you need to present your Weapons License.

With these Tough laws, Criminals have no problems getting hold of guns. guns which, when busted by the police, show no evidence of having been brought into the country.

So, tell me again how gun laws stop criminals getting hold of guns...

Michael

Hold on there Hoss.

You misunderstood what I was saying. People are bitching over here, even in Georgia, about gun laws and stuff. Uh...to me, it's VERY easy to buy a gun...how much easier could it be? I don't want there to NOT be a background check to buy a gun, is what I'm saying.

Would you feel good if it was as simple as buying a pack of cigarettes, to buy a gun? I wouldn't. It's not even that difficult in the first place. Here, in Georgia, all you have to do is pass the background check which, to my knowledge, only keeps you from owning a gun if you have a felonious conviction on your record or charges pending against you. Then you fill out an ATF form which takes all of 5 minutes...and you're on your way providing you answered the questions correctly without error.

I don't want to live anywhere where you can just willy-nilly buy a gun without even passing a background check. You know what I mean? The only point I was making is it's pretty easy to buy a gun...why are people complaining about how hard it is to own one? As far as your country is concerned, yeah, it's obviously much more difficult. But I wasn't talking about your country. :P
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on August 24, 2012, 07:30:44 PM
As heavy as the barrel/gun is, I would guess it would take significant force to bend. Plus, it's hardened.
ill second that. i sell guns @ work. almost sold the rat gun yesterday, wed. also was showing an XDS, man i liked the feel of that weapon. a small gun for a 45 but still felt good. like it would be easy to control. anyone here shot one?
I'm not sure about the XDS but my regular XD is by far my favorite. Its reasonably priced and shoots better than it needs to for most applications.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on August 24, 2012, 08:09:33 PM
pretty much same gun except XDS is smaller. and the rat gun weighs 40lbs give or take a few. and shoots a .50 bmg ( armalite ar50a1 )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En6ZMdVDOHg
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on August 25, 2012, 12:17:11 AM
www.springfieldxds.bang (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fmr8iZyeXw)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: VerdonD952 on August 26, 2012, 11:52:27 AM
http://www.npr.org/2012/08/23/159921428/u-of-colorado-to-students-no-guns-in-dorms-please

Any one read or hear this news?  Now the crazys will know exactly where all the people with guns sleep.  If they are smart, they will go nutz on the other side of campus!  Separate but equal....haven't we gone through this once before??
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on August 26, 2012, 10:18:01 PM
http://www.npr.org/2012/08/23/159921428/u-of-colorado-to-students-no-guns-in-dorms-please

Any one read or hear this news?  Now the crazys will know exactly where all the people with guns sleep.  If they are smart, they will go nutz on the other side of campus!  Separate but equal....haven't we gone through this once before??

"The Aurora theater where the Batman shooting occurred also had a gun-free policy," Manley says. "But these policies don't disarm criminals, they disarm law-abiding citizens who see the sign and respect the law and say, 'I'm not going to carry in this place because the law doesn't allow it.'"

What I've been saying all along.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on August 26, 2012, 10:40:47 PM
ive been in establishments with gun free policies. i just made sure mine was well hidden. wondering though, in aurora, or any movie theatre, as dark as it is, even once you turn lights on. will be hard to acquire a target. nearly impossible with lights off
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 27, 2012, 03:08:00 AM
... dark ... laser sight .. or xenon flash cobra sight ... but the xenon... i might have read that in a cyberpunk novel?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on August 27, 2012, 08:35:00 PM
... dark ... laser sight .. or xenon flash cobra sight ... but the xenon... i might have read that in a cyberpunk novel?

Xenon? Ppft.

This is where it's at...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEpTEAWG8_Y&feature=player_embedded

100yds out of a compact flashlight
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 27, 2012, 08:57:48 PM
mmm nice flashlights! ... was thinking of the xenon flash though as a little harder to pinpoint by the 'maniac in the theatre' .. you point and activate the flash .. it projects a 'laser-esque' aiming dot onto your target in rapid pulses .. say .5 sec flash for duration of 5 or 6 pulses .. enough for you to acquire and fire .. harder for the recipient to zero in on..

WW2 .. search lights looking for bombers ... escorting fighters would strafe the area the light originated from... just sayin  :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on August 28, 2012, 07:36:25 AM
If you in need of some light, I use Surefire. If in need of shooting in low light, Tritium sights or if on a rifle, a good holgraphic sight turned down. I had an EOtech with a pressure-switch controled Surefire mounted on my service rifle and there was little more I could ask for. For longer ranged engagements the reticle is a little off but thats what a ACOG is for :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: bettingpython on August 28, 2012, 03:13:51 PM
His and Hers AR15's in 5.56
one AR15 in .300 blackout that's the white tail gun this year,
2 LAR lowers and 1 Noveske waiting on tax stamps for SBR builds and I have a Seekins precision lower on order to do a 4th SBR.
Winchester 94 in 30.30
Marlin model 60 .22
Cricket bolt action .22
.45 cal inline muzzle loader
Mossberg 930spx 12gauge
My full size Taurus 1911 and her Springfield commander model
springfield XD9
ruger lcp
keltec p3at
a little italian single action .22 revolver

I think I am forgetting one or 2... oh well close enough.

Now where's FrankieG to come make some silly comment.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: VerdonD952 on September 02, 2012, 08:23:52 AM
Walking into a dark room, or movie theater from the light would be damn impossible to hit the wall.  But sitting in a dark room with the light from the projector, i feel i would have no problem finding my target even with iron sights.  So the only flash they would see would be from my muzzle. 
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on September 02, 2012, 09:42:50 PM
Added another wheel gun to my collection. The .44 made me go nuts for a revolver...even though I've shot many I've never owned one.

Well, now I own two. Taurus needs to hurry up and get my .44 back.

Rossi R971 4" .357 magnum with an adjustable target sight:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTDnBcqTnIY
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on September 06, 2012, 01:56:19 PM
Got my Taurus back this morning...it just showed up without warning. Luckily it required the signature of a 21+ person.

Interestingly enough, the work order states they replaced the barrel because it was damaged and that the yoke was also adjusted.

I'm not sure if they replaced it because it got damaged from shooting it like it was, or if it was already damaged, OR if they just damage stuff out that's been mis-manufactured.

Hopefully the gun will be trouble free from now on, but my hopes aren't really high...it seems like it wants to bind a bit occasionally. Haven't shot it yet so...no way to know for sure just yet.

If it is still not repaired I'm just going to request a new one.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on September 08, 2012, 03:45:50 PM
Well the .44 is functioning flawlessly now!

The Rossi is also doing good. 50rds of 110gr Winchester JHP's and 75rds of Remington 125gr .38spl +Ps without error.

Who needs a $800+ S&W or Ruger revolver...my $200 Rossi shoots like a dream. :P
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: gage5146 on September 08, 2012, 09:02:25 PM
300 winchester magnum
remington 30-06 (model 7600)
remington 12ga. pump
marlin 30-30 lever action
remington stainless steel muzzle loader
baretta .22 auto handgun
bersa .380 auto handgun

ALSO LOOKING FOR MORE GUNS!!!! POSSIBLE TRADIGN GUNS ALSO
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on September 09, 2012, 02:59:50 PM
mmm nice flashlights! ... was thinking of the xenon flash though as a little harder to pinpoint by the 'maniac in the theatre' .. you point and activate the flash .. it projects a 'laser-esque' aiming dot onto your target in rapid pulses .. say .5 sec flash for duration of 5 or 6 pulses .. enough for you to acquire and fire .. harder for the recipient to zero in on..

WW2 .. search lights looking for bombers ... escorting fighters would strafe the area the light originated from... just sayin  :icon_eek:
but in a dark theater though, find where to aim the laser will be an issue. most places with anti gun policies in place, usually dont have metal detectors to find the guns. so hide em ;)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: bettingpython on September 10, 2012, 04:03:30 AM
mmm nice flashlights! ... was thinking of the xenon flash though as a little harder to pinpoint by the 'maniac in the theatre' .. you point and activate the flash .. it projects a 'laser-esque' aiming dot onto your target in rapid pulses .. say .5 sec flash for duration of 5 or 6 pulses .. enough for you to acquire and fire .. harder for the recipient to zero in on..

WW2 .. search lights looking for bombers ... escorting fighters would strafe the area the light originated from... just sayin  :icon_eek:
but in a dark theater though, find where to aim the laser will be an issue. most places with anti gun policies in place, usually dont have metal detectors to find the guns. so hide em ;)

I always carry a flashlight. I keep a fenix ld01 on my key chain at a minimum and carry a TK11 when circumstances or attire permit it.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on September 10, 2012, 07:04:37 AM
[...]

ALSO LOOKING FOR MORE GUNS!!!! POSSIBLE TRADIGN GUNS ALSO

 :cookoo:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on September 10, 2012, 07:18:57 AM
I went back to the range yesterday to finish off some rounds I had leftover and to play with my 10/22 and some quiet ammo.

I had the pleasure of running into a group of...how do you say...less-than-gun-savvy people. And, what I mean by that is there was a group of wannabe thugs with a couple Glock 9mm's and some Taurus (think it was an 809, couldn't really tell). They came in with those ridiculous 33rd magazines and just started wasting ammo. Between the 4 of them they must have burned through a thousand rounds before they were through.

I've never seen such horrible shooting in my life. I've seen first time women shooters shoot better than these geniuses. There was the inevitable "sideways gangsta hold" many times over, rapid firing and hitting absolutely nothing but the ground, and general lack of safety and consideration for other people. Did I mention they didn't even have hearing protection? Unfortunately I had gone through all my .44 rounds before they showed up - I was in the lane right next to them - I think a cylinder full of .44's would've run them off. Granted, it's an outdoor range, but still. I eventually moved to the other side of the range because I was concerned for my own safety.

It's a wonder that people like this manage to kill someone with a gun - the marksmanship skills, or lack thereof, would lead me to believe they'd have trouble hitting anything smaller than a semi-truck.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: VerdonD952 on September 10, 2012, 12:38:18 PM
Ive seen this too,

Love it when a group of gueedos show up to a range, bunch of fools from NJ with the hats all caddywhompus, and designer shades.  They show up with a glock (cuz thats all NJ is permitted to sell) or two and no clue how to hold, handle, load, aim and in general use the weapon.  Is a weapon in a retards hand still a weapon? 

I alwasy pack up when they show up.  I have no interrest being shot by accident.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on September 16, 2012, 10:42:53 PM


Now where's FrankieG to come make some silly comment.
wait til it gets close to election day. he'll come along blowing sunshine up the presidents arse lol. i betcha
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on September 21, 2012, 11:32:19 PM
Had to send the .44 back again. Issues have reappeared.

Not happy. Not only that, they're not willing to just go ahead and replace the gun. They have to "try to fix it" even though they technically made it slightly worse this time.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on September 23, 2012, 11:01:19 PM
dangers of buying a demo model bro!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on September 24, 2012, 09:59:31 AM
Not just dangers of a demo, Taurus and other "non-premium" or "clone" manufacturers have issues. Hell, even "high-end" manufacturers have the occasional one. At least the quality of Taurus is great for the money and they will eventually make it right. Might take a few tries but they stand by their product .
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on September 29, 2012, 12:00:58 AM
dangers of buying a demo model bro!

Yeah, well, employee discount and all plus, it was the only one any of 'our' stores had. It's alright.

The funny thing is I can pretty much trade it in for what I paid for it - I am considering doing just that. I've got my eyes on a used D'Eagle, Mark VII in .44 Magnum. Israeli made, too.
Title: Gun Owners?
Post by: Higgins13 on September 29, 2012, 01:31:18 PM
I live in Canada. I have a slingshot :). Dennis the Menace has nothing on me ;)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Alphad0g on October 05, 2012, 07:13:25 AM
Slingshots ca be pretty awesome if you know how to use em!

Anyone around here have a Coilgun or know what one is?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on October 05, 2012, 11:06:22 AM
Hopefully getting a Remington 700 BDL in 7mm mag tonight. Seems in decent shape, trading for an old 350 with Vortec heads.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Funderb on October 06, 2012, 07:44:08 AM
Just picked up a ruger 22/45 from a local. I can't wait to get that thing out to the range.


I've always wanted one, or a 1911 in .22 format. This is going to make shooting 100x cheaper,
and then, i'll have more money for gas to ride.
woo  :woohoo:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on October 06, 2012, 02:24:17 PM
Just picked up a ruger 22/45 from a local. I can't wait to get that thing out to the range.


I've always wanted one, or a 1911 in .22 format. This is going to make shooting 100x cheaper,
and then, i'll have more money for gas to ride.
woo  :woohoo:
weve got a bunch of those 22 1911's @ shop. get a local quote, then let me know we can do an ffl transfer/sale as soon as i locate our site ( for shop) ill update this post. i think the maker is chiappa looks and feels like a 1911 with the safetys and all
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Funderb on October 07, 2012, 01:10:49 PM
thanks yama, im going to get this thing out to the range and shoot it, and we'll see if I want to move to a 1911 platform. do you know if anyone makes a commander length .22 conversion? I'm thinking about sticking one in my llama. should drop right in, barrels and links are exactly the same, as are the mags.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: VerdonD952 on October 09, 2012, 01:59:24 PM
Just returned to civilization from being outside of cell range for 4 days.  My father and myself both took nice Antelope.  I shot mine at right around 150yards (a close shot for the area)  and my father took his at about 305yards.  We both used our 7mm with 150grain rounds.  You cant see it in the pictures but I hit mine face on, in the left shoulder, the round exploded and left a 4 X 6 in hole in the chest.  pieces went up through the lungs and heart.  It was a mess.... those rounds are crazy.

(http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg569/Verdond952/P1000339_zps252463db.jpg)The Antelope I took in Wyoming.

(http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg569/Verdond952/P1000342_zpsc4e446c3.jpg)Close up of the animal and myself
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on October 09, 2012, 04:31:59 PM
Such a shame to kill such a beautiful animal just to get your rocks off :dunno_black:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: VerdonD952 on October 09, 2012, 07:29:01 PM
yeah, not everyone gets hunting.  No worries, its an american thing.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on October 09, 2012, 11:11:19 PM
Hunting for food when you have no other choice or you need to feed your family, I get that.
Hunting purely for the Trophy or to just get your jolly's is purely selfish and wrong.
Its like me going out and shooting an elephant or a tiger because I want to brag to my mates that I did it. That I dont get.
Just because there is currently an abundance of those you shoot now does not mean you are part of the cause of their extinction later.
Anyway, each to their own I guess
Rant over
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on October 10, 2012, 05:50:54 AM
I worked in a taxidermy shop for 4 years, have never been hunting in my life. Got nothing against it, just can think of about a million other ways I'd rather spend my money than going on hunting trips. I'd rather be drinking beer and shooting at targets than sitting in a tree stand waiting for one shot. Seen some weird stuff come in and out of the shop though, pretty interesting.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on October 10, 2012, 12:28:51 PM
Nice harvest. My thanks to Coda, really thought this was about to turn into a "ban bullets" thread.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on October 10, 2012, 04:38:13 PM
Nice harvest. My thanks to Coda, really thought this was about to turn into a "ban bullets" thread.

I really have no problem with guns or the bullets?
Everyone should be allowed to own a gun for self defense!
Go shoot targets till you cant shoot anymore or go hunt for your dinner till you cant eat anymore.
Just dont go shooting magnificent animals so you can cum in your pants :dunno_black:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on October 10, 2012, 06:36:29 PM
Do you guys not hunt kangaroo down there.  I always heard they were like our deer, just as plentiful and from the jerky I've had they seem tasty. OR am I being the ill informed American ass , typical of the reason most of the world hates us yet we're too stuck up out own asses to believe it? Or is it that we typically hunt hoofed animals of which Australia has "slight" deficit of native species.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: pave_spectre on October 10, 2012, 06:55:21 PM
Can't hunt kangaroo without a permit I believe.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on October 10, 2012, 07:12:40 PM
there are plenty of 'roo hunters .. and even more 'roos! ... and rabbits, foxes, feral cats, feral dogs, feral deer of various breeds, feral pigs, ducks, camels, water buffalo and various other critters ...  some people hunt and some people dont ..  :dunno_black: .. i used to a decade ago ... not enough free time now.

i'm interested in what verdon did with his buck? ... i would think cape and head for sure .. i've spoken to a lot of U.S. hunters over the years that backpack out all the meat too .. in some areas its mandatory! ... some areas its donated to the locals or natives .. but usually not much is actually left behind ..

looks like a tasty enough critter too!  :thumb:

oh and yeah as Pave said .. 'roo permit is required for pro-hunters that make a living off selling the meat.... most farmers have a slightly different paperwork pile that lets them shoot a certain number per year depending on crops and land ratio.... they can then shoot on their own time or ask licenced shooters to assist them..... but for any sale of product you must have a tag per animal.

there is approximately zero chance that 'roos as a genus will become extinct from the current or 'expanded future levels' of commercial and recreational hunting .. certain species of wallabies and other smaller 'roos are 'endangered' .. but these levels are not really attributable to any one 'group' of people ... and nearly all the hunters out there will know exactly what type of critter they looking at and if its on the 'hands off list' then that critter continues on its merry way! ..  :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on October 10, 2012, 07:35:38 PM
there are plenty of 'roo hunters .. and even more 'roos! ... and rabbits, foxes, feral cats, feral dogs, feral deer of various breeds, feral pigs, ducks, camels, water buffalo and various other critters ...  some people hunt and some people dont ..  :dunno_black: .. i used to a decade ago ... not enough free time now.

i'm interested in what verdon did with his buck? ... i would think cape and head for sure .. i've spoken to a lot of U.S. hunters over the years that backpack out all the meat too .. in some areas its mandatory! ... some areas its donated to the locals or natives .. but usually not much is actually left behind ..

looks like a tasty enough critter too!  :thumb:

oh and yeah as Pave said .. 'roo permit is required for pro-hunters that make a living off selling the meat.... most farmers have a slightly different paperwork pile that lets them shoot a certain number per year depending on crops and land ratio.... they can then shoot on their own time or ask licenced shooters to assist them..... but for any sale of product you must have a tag per animal.

there is approximately zero chance that 'roos as a genus will become extinct from the current or 'expanded future levels' of commercial and recreational hunting .. certain species of wallabies and other smaller 'roos are 'endangered' .. but these levels are not really attributable to any one 'group' of people ... and nearly all the hunters out there will know exactly what type of critter they looking at and if its on the 'hands off list' then that critter continues on its merry way! ..  :thumb:

Nicely said :thumb:
Oh and HUFF the only reason Kangaroos are hunted here is because they are considered a pest in most parts and only permitted if you can prove that.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on October 10, 2012, 08:15:21 PM
fair enough. but how does one prove it?, damage to property/home/vehicles or injury repeatedly? or? ive never had to prove that anything was a pest. it either was or was not. a thing here in tn we cannot hunt out of season is a bear of any kind. UNLESS we can prove it is endangering ourselves/family or pets. easily done ( selves if inside home or TWRA can look and see what bear was doing before its death and see it was justified) other animals fall into this category as well. some more difficult than others to prove a pest or a nuisance
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on October 10, 2012, 10:56:37 PM
fair enough. but how does one prove it?, damage to property/home/vehicles or injury repeatedly?

You nailed it right there in your first sentence
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on October 10, 2012, 11:09:01 PM
yeah some of them like to do the 'deer in the headlights' gig "Urrr!!! dat looks pretty lights!" wham!.. some are in towns and cities now .. eating roses and shrubs and golf courses ...

for 'roos and farmers its usually crop damage though .. the relevant authority looks at how much crop the farmer has planted that year .. and gives an  x to y assessment of potential damage .. then an x to y allotment of 'cull' numbers is given. its kinda vague in some ways but there are monitored reports etc... farmers dont have THAT much extra time to be driving around a lot of nights spotlighting 'roos off the crop.. so they may ask a pro-shooter in who does have a specific number of tags.

an example i have personal experience of... The farmer where i used to go hunting .. out past Dubbo NSW .. might easily spend $50k to $75k on planting 3000 to 6000 acres of wheat .. once the crop is near full term then its no big issue cos there is plenty of leaf matter the 'roos will eat and leave the grain heads alone... but when its young and up to 4" high .. then 1 hungry 'roo can eat out the green shoots over about a 30 sq yard area in a night ... multiply that by maybe 200 'roos in the field and its easy to lose a whole lotta $ ...

either the pro-shooter or the farmer is not there to eradicate the whole lot .. they hop away anyway before maybe 5 or 6 get shot (if the person on duty knows their stuff) .. but thats part of the idea .. move them on.. make it slightly less attractive to be eating there.

another example of numbers ... back in the drought years of last decade (and previous) but i think this was about 1993 .. a lot of the city folks were 'terribly worried' that the poor ole kangas might go 'puff up in smoke' cos of the poor conditions ... so one of the 'larger' landholders near Dubbo invited a few newspaper people out for a " 'roo drive" ... no actual animal shooting to be done (so no one had to faint at the sight of blood)..

just a roundup to show numbers in one area ... the other farmers around the district were asked to lend a hand on the day/evening too .. they all spread out around the perimeter of the farmers total land holding (about 12-14 sq miles) and just started to drive/ride/walk through the various scrub areas ... several hours later and in the dark they had the as yet uncounted kangas more or less surrounded in a 300 acre paddock .. they patrolled the perimeter till dawn and didnt 'lose' too many through the patrol lines ...

some of the reporters were excitedly chatting about how cool it was to be able to photograph maybe 600 -700 kangas in one area .. when there was enough light to properly count them, the farmer asked several people who were experienced at 'rough counting' different types of stock animals to go up a nearby small hill for a better viewpoint .. as well as a few photographers who had the better cameras to take photos with identifiable background markers for a 'panorama shot' collage and count .. the general consensus later on was between 8000 and 11000 'roos of various sub types ..

now they may have missed some on the initial perimeter close .. but probably not too many ... and the owner of the land DID have a real good crop that year that was like a huge flashing buffet sign for herbivores ... so the concentration might have been slightly denser ..

One reporter was heard to say that "how good it was to see so many healthy kangaroos that didnt die" .. another one was doing some mental math according to the rules of the governments "kangaroos per area" official estimate of that year, he decided that there were too many 'roos and accused the farmers of "bringing in many truckloads of kangaroos the night before and 'I hope they all get taken back to their rightful territory after your big media stunt' " ... the farmers were slightly amused and asked him why he thought they would want to "bring more of these f@%$@ mongrels to eat our crops? .. we have more than enough to start with!" .. .... ...
so there isnt really much shortage of hopping critters around ..

its a bit of a human created problem though ... the 'roos always been there .. then the farmers bring the nice juicy green crops in ... so the roos are not stupid and will eat crops before they want to eat native grasses etc .. which tend to be a little dry ..

'roos are one of the most efficient converters of 'green to muscle' around ... and with all the extra food available their overall numbers in farming areas are usually much higher than the norm....

we need the farmers to grow the crops so we have bread, cereal, corn etc ... but the roos want to eat it.. and they have higher than normal numbers so they eat a lot ...  :dunno_black: ... its one of those circular problems.

theoretically if we could farm kangaroos large scale instead of sheep and cattle then the muscle per kilo food ratio produced would be way higher .. but anyone who has seen a kangaroo stampede (and im not making this up!) knows that large scale farming and control of the stock would be like .. ok .. take the Nitro Circus boys ,give them all big powerful pogo sticks ,then give them all a big dose of LSD, wait till they fully paranoid and trippin' , then jump out of a big box with a monster or alien costume on... kinda like that!!  :icon_eek:

plus the general public are still a little squeamish about eating the meat .. it is showing up in large supermarket meat sections now though... steaks, sausages (kanga banga's), diced meat for stirfries, strips for kebabs .. with various marinades and stuff on some of it too... the meat is incredibly lean and very high protein .. just not hugely popular....

thats my 'novella' for the day ... hope it interests rather than bores ... and no i'm no scientist! ... not a statistician either ... i just happened to be lucky enough to see some way weird things happen in the countryside!  :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on October 11, 2012, 12:06:49 AM
Very nicely done Janx :thumb:
I read every fucken word too :cool:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on October 11, 2012, 12:10:03 AM
Plus, female roos are ALWAYS preggers.

And then there is the drought sitch.... farm food sees roo numbers expand, drought hits, crops perish, roos either starve to death until sustainable numbers are achieved or are culled until sustainable numbers are achieved. Let them starve to death or end them quickly?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on October 11, 2012, 09:43:23 PM
As far as 1911 format .22's...

There's one made by GSG that's awfully nice. We sell them at my place of employment for pretty cheap. I sold one the other day.

Oh, and yeah, it's the same thing as the Sig-Sauer 1911-22 but a bit cheaper.

I've heard really good things about them. Halfway considered one myself.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on October 12, 2012, 10:08:27 AM
what about ruger's sr22? I've never shot one, is it any good?

-Ruger 22/45
-Glock 19
-Springfield XDM .40

I really need to get a few rifles and a shotgun but until my money tree gets planted I'll live with what I got.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Rob_02gs500 on October 14, 2012, 02:56:18 PM
what about ruger's sr22? I've never shot one, is it any good?

-Ruger 22/45
-Glock 19
-Springfield XDM .40

I really need to get a few rifles and a shotgun but until my money tree gets planted I'll live with what I got.

I really like how the sr22 feels in my hand. It reminds me of a walther .22 They are a bit pricey in my area which is why i will probably never own one. I have heard from several owners that they are really nice range pistols. I really like the 1911/.22s and will end up getting one of those, right now my current toys include:
 FN 5.7 pistol
 PS90 rifle
 S&W model 1006/10mm
 S&W BG380
 Poly LW-15 AR lower with PSA 5.56 upper
 M1 carbine
 some hunting rifles and some shotguns...the wife says i have enough!

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on October 15, 2012, 05:33:14 AM
Ok cool, my gf wants a .22 pistol for plinking, but the markIII pistols are somewhat of a PITA as far as takedown/reassembly for cleaning in comparison to pistols with normal slides.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on October 16, 2012, 09:44:26 AM
OK, so I've been tossing this around in my head for bit. What is the best gun for $500 and why? This could be rifle, carbine, pistol, shotgun, cannon, RPG, etc. And not 1980 $500, "well  my FAL was only $400 in 198whatever" , but last 5-6 years $500.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on October 16, 2012, 10:13:45 AM
dang man, that tosses out just about every "tacticool" weapon. My vote would be a hand picked wasr10 or saiga ak, meaning one that has fairly decent tolerances and straight sights confirmed before purchasing. We are stating for a brand new gun right? No "well you might be able to find a used blah blah blah at a gun show".
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on October 16, 2012, 06:07:52 PM
Well, after consulting the committee (me), I would say that guns more available as used than new, this would include any sks, ak-47, m9, ruger mk series,etc. are suitable for the list. I'm leaning towards a yugo sks. It's cheap at around $250-$450 so one can easily be had for the $400 cutoff, they are reliable as anything, easily deadly accurate at 300yd, parts are everywhere, ammo is more common than assholes. Not to mention they are quite a quality made firearm. I know many are gonna say AK-47 but these are hard to find anywhere near the $400, ARE reliable BUT nowhere near as accurate for the $$$.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on October 16, 2012, 06:50:37 PM
you just lowered the cut off a hundred bucks from the original post, so yeah 400 bucks won't cut it for almost any ak anymore. Plenty of awesome pump shotguns can be had in the price range tho. Didn't even think about sks tho, good call.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on October 16, 2012, 08:38:20 PM
Very nicely done Janx :thumb:
I read every fucken word too :cool:
as did i  :cheers:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on October 17, 2012, 11:23:10 AM
My bad.... Call it $500.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on October 17, 2012, 11:23:48 AM
Well, after consulting the committee (me), I would say that guns more available as used than new, this would include any sks, ak-47, m9, ruger mk series,etc. are suitable for the list. I'm leaning towards a yugo sks. It's cheap at around $250-$450 so one can easily be had for the $500cutoff, they are reliable as anything, easily deadly accurate at 300yd, parts are everywhere, ammo is more common than assholes. Not to mention they are quite a quality made firearm. I know many are gonna say AK-47 but these are hard to find anywhere near the $500, ARE reliable BUT nowhere near as accurate for the $$$.
facepalm
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on October 17, 2012, 12:53:31 PM
LoL, not really a fan of the m9 tho, ergos suck for my smaller hands and trigger pull too long in DA.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on October 21, 2012, 09:05:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ABGIJwiGBc
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on October 21, 2012, 10:31:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ABGIJwiGBc

Wow that's nuts! I knew a guy in 3/5 that had an rpg ricochet off his head while in the turret, had the smashed in kevlar helmet to prove it :mad:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: 97gs500e on October 22, 2012, 07:11:53 PM
I lost all of my guns in a boating accident..
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on October 22, 2012, 07:48:33 PM
I lost all of my guns in a boating accident..
Care to elaborate?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on October 22, 2012, 10:16:36 PM
I lost all of my guns in a boating accident..
Care to elaborate?

Indeed...I too would like to hear how your guns were lost on a boat.

Unless of course you only had ONE gun, and you were on a boat, and lost it that way.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on October 22, 2012, 11:32:39 PM
I lost all of my guns in a boating accident..

Cool story bro :flipoff:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on October 23, 2012, 01:51:15 PM
I lost all of my guns in a boating accident..

Cool story bro :flipoff:

You're such a dìck.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on October 23, 2012, 03:05:46 PM
I lost all of my guns in a boating accident..

Cool story bro :flipoff:

You're such a dìck.

Thank you, I aim to please  :icon_mrgreen:

Michael
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on October 23, 2012, 03:59:43 PM
I lost all of my guns in a boating accident..

Cool story bro :flipoff:

on the note of misters comment.... last weekend i saw a cool t-shirt at the store... Sort of a orange colour .. with big white letters ... "Cool Story Babe!! .. now go and make me a sandwich!"

Sadly they didnt have it in my size ... only 'midget' Medium ...  :icon_neutral:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on October 25, 2012, 03:28:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ABGIJwiGBc

Wow that's nuts! I knew a guy in 3/5 that had an rpg ricochet off his head while in the turret, had the smashed in kevlar helmet to prove it :mad:
:bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs:
 While I've seen many odd things like guys getting saved by thier magazine pouch or bullet strikes to thier camelbacks, a RPG to the head will be lethal. They don't fly all slow where you see them coming, they hit before you see them and the piezoelectric firing initiator is so sensitive they have a very high detonation rate. I have responded to a UXO call where hadji decided to not arm the warhead and lawn darted the RPG into the side of a MTVR (a big truck). This would easily still kill a soft target. I don't doubt that a kevlar would get smashed, as Marines can and usually do break anything they get. Now if he is like many others he got turtle-fuked by the turret hatch and it cracked /smashed the sh!t out of his brain-bucket.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on October 25, 2012, 03:03:45 PM
well his name is ryan harnish, if you doubt the validity of my comment feel free to look him up on facebook and ask him yourself. Thanks for the mechanical breakdown on how a rpg works, may next we should discuss ballistics.  :flipoff: The only reason I mentioned the story was b/c it's even more ridiculous than the video shown. I wouldn't believe it myself except others at the party confirmed it really happened. If the dude in this video hadn't had the incident on video would you have believed it?  The rocket didn't detonate on his head, it ricocheted off and knocked his arse out.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on October 25, 2012, 04:22:50 PM
just stumbled on this when i googled his name, should have posted this to begin with sorry. http://www.komonews.com/news/archive/4091271.html (http://www.komonews.com/news/archive/4091271.html)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on October 25, 2012, 04:56:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ABGIJwiGBc

Wow that's nuts! I knew a guy in 3/5 that had an rpg ricochet off his head while in the turret, had the smashed in kevlar helmet to prove it :mad:
:bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs:
 While I've seen many odd things like guys getting saved by thier magazine pouch or bullet strikes to thier camelbacks, a RPG to the head will be lethal. They don't fly all slow where you see them coming, they hit before you see them and the piezoelectric firing initiator is so sensitive they have a very high detonation rate. I have responded to a UXO call where hadji decided to not arm the warhead and lawn darted the RPG into the side of a MTVR (a big truck). This would easily still kill a soft target. I don't doubt that a kevlar would get smashed, as Marines can and usually do break anything they get. Now if he is like many others he got turtle-fuked by the turret hatch and it cracked /smashed the sh!t out of his brain-bucket.

I think an apology would be in order right about now :nono:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Funderb on October 25, 2012, 05:41:47 PM
Quote
Ok cool, my gf wants a .22 pistol for plinking, but the markIII pistols are somewhat of a PITA as far as takedown/reassembly for cleaning in comparison to pistols with normal slides.

meh, field strip one twice and I bet good money your tune will change.

as for the boating accident, haha, haven't heard that one since i was poking around THR for gun deals.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on October 25, 2012, 06:58:45 PM
i've field stripped my 22/45 many times, and I know exactly how to field strip it and don't have problems with it, but it is more complicated than regular pistols with slides. Since this gun would be for my gf who isn't mechanical inclined the simpler the better  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on October 25, 2012, 09:17:11 PM
Check out the S&W 22A-1. It's super easy to take apart.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: shonole on October 25, 2012, 11:12:00 PM
Check out the S&W 22A-1. It's super easy to take apart.

He lives! 
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on October 25, 2012, 11:20:36 PM
Check out the S&W 22A-1. It's super easy to take apart.
never seen that one before, thanks. Ever shoot it?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on October 26, 2012, 09:39:30 AM
22A Standard Model:
(http://lipseys.com/eImages/SW107412.jpg)

22A Talo Edition:
(http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/1700/8598994/bbba879156eeb2120a075be7ee3dd728.jpg)

I've owned both and still own the second Talo edition. They're amazing little guns and fun to shoot. I opted for it over the U22 Neos by Beretta.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on October 26, 2012, 10:16:15 AM
cool I'll have to check it out. A guy at the range had a sig mosquito he let me shoot while he shot my ruger 22/45. Cool little 22. How's the trigger on that 22a? only smith I've shot has been an m&p 40 and was not impressed with the trigger. that talo edition looks sweet!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on October 26, 2012, 11:29:47 AM
cool I'll have to check it out. A guy at the range had a sig mosquito he let me shoot while he shot my ruger 22/45. Cool little 22. How's the trigger on that 22a? only smith I've shot has been an m&p 40 and was not impressed with the trigger. that talo edition looks sweet!

The standard edition I had had a lot of trigger creep. It also seemed to have a different breaking point each time. It was really odd. Maybe mine was just defective.

Talo is much better all the way around.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on October 26, 2012, 03:59:18 PM
So, what's the go with your other malfunctioning friend?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on October 29, 2012, 04:51:30 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ABGIJwiGBc

Wow that's nuts! I knew a guy in 3/5 that had an rpg ricochet off his head while in the turret, had the smashed in kevlar helmet to prove it :mad:
:bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs:
 While I've seen many odd things like guys getting saved by thier magazine pouch or bullet strikes to thier camelbacks, a RPG to the head will be lethal. They don't fly all slow where you see them coming, they hit before you see them and the piezoelectric firing initiator is so sensitive they have a very high detonation rate. I have responded to a UXO call where hadji decided to not arm the warhead and lawn darted the RPG into the side of a MTVR (a big truck). This would easily still kill a soft target. I don't doubt that a kevlar would get smashed, as Marines can and usually do break anything they get. Now if he is like many others he got turtle-fuked by the turret hatch and it cracked /smashed the sh!t out of his brain-bucket.

I think an apology would be in order right about now :nono:
Damn, I hate to admit it. Bad Huff :bowdown: :bowdown: That would be some crazy shaZam!. Definitely one lucky ass devil-dog. That now makes me wonder, was said RPG disfunctional? Or did it hit another object before knocking out the LCpl? I guess it really doesn't matter, He's as normal as a Marine can be. :cheers:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on October 29, 2012, 01:57:36 PM
Yeah I'm not sure about if it was dysfunctional or not. Speaking of some crazy stuff I found this to be an interesting read. http://www.cracked.com/article_17019_5-real-life-soldiers-who-make-rambo-look-like-kitty cat.html (http://www.cracked.com/article_17019_5-real-life-soldiers-who-make-rambo-look-like-kitty cat.html)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on October 29, 2012, 10:23:24 PM
So, what's the go with your other malfunctioning friend?

The Bull? He's back to kicking me in the hand.

After a SECOND trip to Taurus, he was repaired completely.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Watevaman on November 01, 2012, 12:49:27 PM
 Looking to go to a gun show in a few weeks and see what the selection is like for M44s. After having both a 91/30 and M38/M44 in my hands, I love the way the M44 feels and would much rather have one. The only gun I own currently is an old Glenfield Model 60, which is a semi-auto .22LR that I barely shoot. I've been wanting to get more guns, but money is an issue and that's why I'm going to start with cheap stuff like the Mosins and then maybe move up to more expensive and modern guns.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on November 01, 2012, 01:28:19 PM
Looking to go to a gun show in a few weeks and see what the selection is like for M44s. After having both a 91/30 and M38/M44 in my hands, I love the way the M44 feels and would much rather have one. The only gun I own currently is an old Glenfield Model 60, which is a semi-auto .22LR that I barely shoot. I've been wanting to get more guns, but money is an issue and that's why I'm going to start with cheap stuff like the Mosins and then maybe move up to more expensive and modern guns.
Look around for old K31's, they are a swiss made straight-pull bolt action rifle. They might say Schmidt and Rubin Mfg on the tag due to the designers. If you find one in .308 it's a buy every time, but they are originally 7.5x55 swiss. They can be had dirt cheap and are by far the best inexpensive surplus shooter I've seen. It's really quite incredible the quality of these old swiss issued rifle for  the money.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on November 04, 2012, 09:12:11 AM
Looking to go to a gun show in a few weeks and see what the selection is like for M44s. After having both a 91/30 and M38/M44 in my hands, I love the way the M44 feels and would much rather have one. The only gun I own currently is an old Glenfield Model 60, which is a semi-auto .22LR that I barely shoot. I've been wanting to get more guns, but money is an issue and that's why I'm going to start with cheap stuff like the Mosins and then maybe move up to more expensive and modern guns.

Those are great man. Keep it. It's now become what's known as the Marlin Model 60 if I understand correctly.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: k.rollin on November 04, 2012, 03:55:12 PM
Looking to go to a gun show in a few weeks and see what the selection is like for M44s. After having both a 91/30 and M38/M44 in my hands, I love the way the M44 feels and would much rather have one. The only gun I own currently is an old Glenfield Model 60, which is a semi-auto .22LR that I barely shoot. I've been wanting to get more guns, but money is an issue and that's why I'm going to start with cheap stuff like the Mosins and then maybe move up to more expensive and modern guns.

Those are great man. Keep it. It's now become what's known as the Marlin Model 60 if I understand correctly.

That's correct. I rescued an abused Marlin Mod. 60 from a local pawn shop and rebuilt it for my girlfriend's birthday this past year. We'll be taking it out to hunt rabbits after the first frost.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on November 07, 2012, 11:04:57 PM
http://www.mygunplace.com/
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on November 07, 2012, 11:06:48 PM
going to grab one of these as my scooter headlight. theyre flucking BRIGHT
http://www.mygunplace.com/catalog_detail.php?product_id=37828
(http://www.mygunplace.com/imagedb/image119426-4b2277ae5150aec3d94c00149550e3e5.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on November 12, 2012, 07:43:15 PM
+1 for streamlight. Quality is up there with surefire but for 1/3 the price.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on January 09, 2013, 04:59:33 PM
Hmm..

Rifles:
.22 Norinco JW22
.22 Remington 341-P (Loads Like a Battleship)
.308 Ruger M77 MK II

Shotguns:
H&R 12 Gauge (no idea what model)
Baikal .410 Side by Side

Pistols
9mm Gen I Glock
.22 KMK-10 Ruger MK II (10" version)
.22 FN 150 International Medallist

Just a small collection really.. like most hobbies they can get expensive when they are fun..   :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: IAmSpartacus on January 17, 2013, 08:11:56 PM
I may or may not have guns... With the current political agendas, I'm not sure if I'd post such information online, lol.

But if I did own guns, they might be a Marlin semi auto .22, a modified Mosin Nagant, a Mossberg pump 12ga and a IWI Baby Eagle in 9mm. But you know, that's just hypothetically speaking...
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on January 17, 2013, 10:35:20 PM
a picture of a 1216 will be posted here soon. Not mine, but in my hands  :icon_twisted: ( awaiting shipment, due any day now. )
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: k.rollin on January 19, 2013, 01:32:57 PM

.22 KMK-10 Ruger MK II (10" version)


Blued or stainless? I had a blued one with the 10" bull barrel and silhouette sights that I picked up for $250 about four years ago. Even had the original box. I was young and dumb though, and traded it away for my then girlfriend's (now ex) birthday present. One of the stupidest things I've done.

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/6129_133061225863_2629894_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on January 20, 2013, 12:36:36 AM

.22 KMK-10 Ruger MK II (10" version)


Blued or stainless? I had a blued one with the 10" bull barrel and silhouette sights that I picked up for $250 about four years ago. Even had the original box. I was young and dumb though, and traded it away for my then girlfriend's (now ex) birthday present. One of the stupidest things I've done.

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/6129_133061225863_2629894_n.jpg)

I...wish I had that gun. -_-
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on January 20, 2013, 01:51:55 AM
3 of them in the showcase that i cannot afford atm  :technical: lol
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on January 20, 2013, 10:01:36 PM
a picture of a 1216 will be posted here soon. Not mine, but in my hands  :icon_twisted: ( awaiting shipment, due any day now. )

looked it up online... not bad for a new tech thing i guess... but 16 shots?... the new owner that bad an aimer? ... and with a 'guage' too ... if you don't hit anything then whatever will die from lead poisoning in the immediate surround anyway!!  :icon_rolleyes: :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on January 20, 2013, 10:18:00 PM
a picture of a 1216 will be posted here soon. Not mine, but in my hands  :icon_twisted: ( awaiting shipment, due any day now. )

looked it up online... not bad for a new tech thing i guess... but 16 shots?... the new owner that bad an aimer? ... and with a 'guage' too ... if you don't hit anything then whatever will die from lead poisoning in the immediate surround anyway!!  :icon_rolleyes: :icon_twisted:
i guess theres no practical need for 16rds in a shotty. but from the videos ive seen its not that bad accuracy wise. granted shotties were NEVER known for accuracy lol
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on January 21, 2013, 02:28:37 AM
Not saying I don't WANT one!! ... Be great for getting those pesky mices and roaches outta the garden shed....... And removing the garden shed same time  :D
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: john on January 21, 2013, 09:57:03 AM
Guns are frightening and should be banned.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on January 21, 2013, 07:26:03 PM
Will have to respectfully disagree with you there john. But guns in the hands  of people who should not be using them, THAT i could see being banned
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on January 22, 2013, 12:07:55 AM
...guns in the hands  of people who should not be using them, THAT i could see being banned

And WHO makes that determination?

As per the usual... banning guns only bans them from law abiding citizens. The nutjobs and criminal element will have them still.

What needs to happen is to stop blaming inanimate objects for things the owners of those objects do with them.

Michael
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on January 22, 2013, 01:26:44 AM
Don't start that shaZam! here.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: john on January 22, 2013, 09:23:15 AM
Guns are loud and frightening.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: xunedeinx on January 22, 2013, 11:40:05 AM
Guns are frightening and should be banned.

Make your way into my home and you will have a reason to be frightened, right before you have a reason to call 911 for having 17 gunshot holes in your body.

I'll have a reason to call the carpet cleaners, too. :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on January 22, 2013, 02:49:44 PM
Lol, nobody has figured out that John is antagonizing you guys?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: john on January 22, 2013, 09:02:20 PM
Lol, nobody has figured out that John is antagonizing you guys?

(http://www.gstwin.com/temp/fished.gif)

Me?  Never.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on January 22, 2013, 10:42:23 PM
...guns in the hands  of people who should not be using them, THAT i could see being banned

And WHO makes that determination?

As per the usual... banning guns only bans them from law abiding citizens. The nutjobs and criminal element will have them still.

What needs to happen is to stop blaming inanimate objects for things the owners of those objects do with them.

Michael
very true michael very true. or as a local cop said, " in 23 years of law enforcement, ive never arrested a gun for a crime"  its those that hold them that make em work
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on January 23, 2013, 04:52:25 PM
Its all Stainless - was kind of miffed when I saw the "what is this game" with the MK II slide stop.. I had one break in half and knew what it was right away....

A delight to shoot with - expect they wont let you use it in IPSC competitions for some reason....


.22 KMK-10 Ruger MK II (10" version)


Blued or stainless? I had a blued one with the 10" bull barrel and silhouette sights that I picked up for $250 about four years ago. Even had the original box. I was young and dumb though, and traded it away for my then girlfriend's (now ex) birthday present. One of the stupidest things I've done.

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/6129_133061225863_2629894_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on January 23, 2013, 06:21:22 PM
Carl Gustav 6.5 Swedish Mauser

Did own a no4 can't remember the mark Canadian longbranch, and the lever version or the ruger 10/22 can't remember the model number of that.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on January 23, 2013, 07:23:34 PM
PLEASE !¡ dont make john whip out the custom title hammer, ( or the custom avatar hammer either lol) now.... back to the things that go bang, and i aint talkin about hookers either :cool:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: john on January 23, 2013, 08:09:58 PM
I had really hoped to fish out more people.

I could use some AR mags.  I threw away like 8 of them just 3 months ago assuming I could replace my old skanky ones cheap (A place near me sold magpul for $13 each).  Now I feel sick.  Anybody have any good pmags they want to unburden themselves from?  For money obviously...at a reasonable price, like not $30 each.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on January 23, 2013, 08:18:04 PM
weve got an assload of pmags (AR) but sadly since our salesman of the year made his speech, prices have skyrocketed. know anyone that can use colt 30rd mags? got a bunch of those too
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on January 23, 2013, 08:57:06 PM
Nothing like a spot of gun fishing
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on January 23, 2013, 09:02:14 PM
indeed  :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on January 23, 2013, 09:04:49 PM
Hmmm I wonder what my custom titke would be?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on January 23, 2013, 09:49:40 PM
Hmmm I wonder what my custom titke would be?
Dont ask  :nono: i did, and i still have part of it. also got 2 pissing monkeys one on each side of said title, and what resembled pee-wee herman on acid or something strange lol. as a NON removable avatar. ( i found out stealing johns signature and adapting it as your own, repeatedly gets this done.  :nono:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: john on January 23, 2013, 10:47:04 PM
Hmmm I wonder what my custom titke would be?

Hmmmm....I wonder...
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on January 24, 2013, 12:06:52 AM
Didn't even try to I insult you? Someone's time of the month
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on January 24, 2013, 12:20:10 AM
And you guys have no clue on how to insult an Australian or make a joke for one too lol try again John
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: john on January 24, 2013, 08:36:30 AM
And you guys have no clue on how to insult an Australian or make a joke for one too lol try again John
(http://www.gstwin.com/temp/challenge.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on January 24, 2013, 02:16:17 PM
Good luck to you sir. Now excuse me while I plaster myself then partake in a kangaroo steak cooked medium rare with a side of emu wings
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on January 24, 2013, 02:23:09 PM
Good luck to you sir. Now excuse me while I plaster myself then partake in a kangaroo steak cooked medium rare with a side of emu wings
...and topped off with a side of chopped up drop bear.

Let's all hear it for Paul Hogan - the Benny Hill of australia!
(Yea - that's right - I didn't see the need to capitalize it.)

Insulted yet? I'm new at this game.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on January 24, 2013, 02:30:43 PM
Oh please addy mate that's as bad as those dodgy spark plugs you were trying to flog off lol. Now back to the guns. Who here reloads?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on January 24, 2013, 04:26:19 PM
I reload 9mm and .308 - bit hard to to purchase (civilian) tracer in .308 for some reason... Even ex Mil ammo is pricey (and not much good for anything but target practice).  Club 9mm reloads are reasonable. Used to reload 12 gauge, but it is cheaper to buy a slab than mess around reloading it.

Be interested to know how much other people pay here for ammo round the world - I think we get ripped here for it - at least in small volumes.

Here you are looking at
US$40-50 for 20 rounds premium .308 (Hornady or similar)
US$30 for 50 rounds premium 9mm (Federal)

Used to be a bit cheaper when we had locally produced ammo, but now about the cheapest you can get is either Barnaull or Highland HX. Can't reload the Barnaull though since it is steel case.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on January 24, 2013, 06:28:55 PM

Be interested to know how much other people pay here for ammo round the world - I think we get ripped here for it - at least in small volumes.

Here you are looking at
US$40-50 for 20 rounds premium .308 (Hornady or similar)
US$30 for 50 rounds premium 9mm (Federal)


I don't shoot premium ammo, just cheap range ammo. Walmart sells tul-ammo for less than 10 bucks a box, I think $9.88 3 weeks ago when i bought some. It's steel cased but still shoots accurately for pistol range distances. I've shot their 7.62x39 through my ak, not the most accurate, but also not using the most accurate gun  :icon_lol: Still, was able to shoot NONMOVING clays @ 50 yards with a single shot, sometimes 2.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on January 24, 2013, 06:35:41 PM
pssst .. Slips.... does John know we are more likely to applaud a really good insult than get upset about it?...   :D
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: john on January 24, 2013, 08:17:38 PM
And you guys have no clue on how to insult an Australian or make a joke for one too lol try again John
(http://www.gstwin.com/temp/challenge.jpg)

Ahem...
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on January 24, 2013, 08:39:15 PM
Bwaaaahahahahahahaha keep it coming this is brilliant
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on January 25, 2013, 07:19:12 PM
Yama, how much are guys unloading  30rd mags for? I have someone in need of them. The local shop is trying to sell pmags for $100, some huge :bs: let me know I might buy a bulk if the rate is right.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on January 25, 2013, 07:22:09 PM
we had colt 223 or 5.56 mags @ $14.95 ea. have ak mags at i think 25 ea. wll look tomorrow @ work, and check prices. but most are in that range. also have ak drums a bit more. ( also pmags as well. )
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on January 25, 2013, 07:34:46 PM
Get me a price on the 5.56 mags. Also, let me know how many you have I might take them all. Also, how much are you pmags?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on January 25, 2013, 07:50:22 PM
i think the pmags are in the $30 range atm. new in package.  got a number i can reach you via text message?  if so, pm me i can let you know when i get there tomorrow ( 11am est)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: noworries on January 25, 2013, 08:07:45 PM
30 round mags???? why would any wally need a 30 round mag???? here in the land of oz, we just take the roo out with the first head shot, sling the carcass in the ute, chuff off home, stick it in the freezer, have a beer, off to bed, quick love-ya-darlin root, and a good nights sleep....30 round mags, yuk, yuk, yuk, they're fantasising  about being in 'ghan or somewhere......jazsus wept...
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on January 25, 2013, 08:12:24 PM
i think the pmags are in the $30 range atm. new in package.  got a number i can reach you via text message?  if so, pm me i can let you know when i get there tomorrow ( 11am est)
PM sent, Thanks
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Huff1371 on January 25, 2013, 08:14:40 PM
30 round mags???? why would any wally need a 30 round mag???? here in the land of oz, we just take the roo out with the first head shot, sling the carcass in the ute, chuff off home, stick it in the freezer, have a beer, off to bed, quick love-ya-darlin root, and a good nights sleep....30 round mags, yuk, yuk, yuk, they're fantasising  about being in 'ghan or somewhere......jazsus wept...
WTF? pretty funny except you forgot to mention the beer is a Foster's, that's the only beer in aussie land isn't it. :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on January 25, 2013, 08:31:48 PM
and that fosters is produced in montreal. lol what is a proper authentic, made in australia, beer? i had some good beer in canada on one of my trips. was called charrington toby. cant find that here hardly ever.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on January 25, 2013, 08:36:20 PM
btw huff, you looking for ammo as well?, if so ill let you know what weve got. ammo is a hot commodity right now lol  :technical:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on January 25, 2013, 09:34:05 PM
I reload 9mm and .308 - bit hard to to purchase (civilian) tracer in .308 for some reason... Even ex Mil ammo is pricey (and not much good for anything but target practice).  Club 9mm reloads are reasonable. Used to reload 12 gauge, but it is cheaper to buy a slab than mess around reloading it.

Be interested to know how much other people pay here for ammo round the world - I think we get ripped here for it - at least in small volumes.

Here you are looking at
US$40-50 for 20 rounds premium .308 (Hornady or similar)
US$30 for 50 rounds premium 9mm (Federal)

Used to be a bit cheaper when we had locally produced ammo, but now about the cheapest you can get is either Barnaull or Highland HX. Can't reload the Barnaull though since it is steel case.
i believe weve got 9mm cheaper than what youve seen. may be able to purchase and send your way if need be. i know i can do that with clips, pretty sure ammo as well. too bad the market for black talons are pretty much dried up. have a case of that shiite. in teh stock room.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on January 25, 2013, 09:44:15 PM
and that fosters is produced in montreal. lol what is a proper authentic, made in australia, beer? i had some good beer in canada on one of my trips. was called charrington toby. cant find that here hardly ever.
30 round mags???? why would any wally need a 30 round mag???? here in the land of oz, we just take the roo out with the first head shot, sling the carcass in the ute, chuff off home, stick it in the freezer, have a beer, off to bed, quick love-ya-darlin root, and a good nights sleep....30 round mags, yuk, yuk, yuk, they're fantasising  about being in 'ghan or somewhere......jazsus wept...
WTF? pretty funny except you forgot to mention the beer is a Foster's, that's the only beer in aussie land isn't it. :thumb:

Oh you poor schmuck Yankees!! ... We shipped out fosters cos its crap... However it seems to be suitable for you Budweiser  swilling commoners .... Fosters is good marketing... Not good beer  :flipoff:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on January 25, 2013, 11:18:30 PM
the new tag line. " fosters, australian for crappy beer." i still like charrington toby. had it at a dinner party in alexandra ontario. gotta love our hat for having some good beer on tap. i despise buttweiser. traced my family name to 13th century german beermakers. amongst other things in teh social classes of the time.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: noworries on January 25, 2013, 11:43:06 PM
JHC! Charrington Toby....well if ya need a 30 round mag to go chasing those dangerous rabbits I suppose I simply can't criticise ya for enjoying Pommie horsepee, must hark back to yer years of technical Budweiser training.  One good thing to say for the Poms though, they ain't into spraying the bushes with surplus lead - nice little Purdy 410 o/u... handfull of cartridges in the back pocket of the Burberry...off ya go for a clean, civilised day's shooting on the moors...beautiful. Those pommie landed sheilas we see in Downton are pretty grouse too eh?
PS
American chums, a big ask, awlright?, Please don't mention Fosters publicly..we dumped the company for a motza onto some South African drongoes who thought they were getting a bargain...jeeez, we all peed ourselves over that. They can't get their money back anyway 'cos we've spent it!
PSS You Yankee blokes would like the Souf Arrikaaans, they're a bit like youse with the 50 round mags on their R4s. gawd, we used to pee ourselves laughing at them too.
Amyway, ooorooooh, gotta go and reload a couple of 155 we're going to use down the backpaddock on a few crows....tough buggers, those crows.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on January 26, 2013, 12:42:50 AM
alrighty then :). anyhoo huff, will text you when i find out what mags and ammo weve got in stock. anyone else.  lmk if looking for magazines or ammunition. ill see what i can find. i dont charge a finders fee or fees for handling the sale. cause im selling the inventory of my boss. he gets the money, i in turn get paid. but  tehh guns are moving fast. as are ht eclips an dammo. sent out a bunch of ruger 10/22 25rd mags the other day.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on January 26, 2013, 01:06:19 AM
I like how people waited outside my store at 3 in the damn morning when it was 30 degrees just to try to buy ONE box of ammo. Imbeciles.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on January 26, 2013, 01:21:10 AM
Gun thread needs a cat machine gun.
(http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Cat_429f67_720533.gif)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on January 26, 2013, 01:24:09 AM
You've seen that cool looking fake video of the guy "saving" the bike rider from death with a truck? Got any like that but with cats?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on January 26, 2013, 02:04:08 AM
Where's that?
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Post by: mister on January 26, 2013, 02:05:57 AM
Here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCesbayxmyg

The guy who did it does others like it as well. Filming a security cam monitor showing amazing feats. Good work!
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Post by: slipperymongoose on January 26, 2013, 02:10:36 AM
Fark
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Post by: k.rollin on January 26, 2013, 04:59:36 AM
Oh please addy mate that's as bad as those dodgy spark plugs you were trying to flog off lol. Now back to the guns. Who here reloads?

I do. Just loaded up 200 round of .41 Magnum a couple weeks ago. 100 loaded with a 215 gr SWCs over 5 gr of TiteGroup, and the other 100 loaded with 210 gr Speer DeepCurl JHPs over 21.1 gr of H-110.
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Post by: yamahonkawazuki on January 26, 2013, 06:26:16 AM
Oh please addy mate that's as bad as those dodgy spark plugs you were trying to flog off lol. Now back to the guns. Who here reloads?

I do. Just loaded up 200 round of .41 Magnum a couple weeks ago. 100 loaded with a 215 gr SWCs over 5 gr of TiteGroup, and the other 100 loaded with 210 gr Speer DeepCurl JHPs over 21.1 gr of H-110.
how many times can you reload a casing?, and why not steel?
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Post by: xunedeinx on January 26, 2013, 11:26:16 AM
Oh please addy mate that's as bad as those dodgy spark plugs you were trying to flog off lol. Now back to the guns. Who here reloads?

I do. Just loaded up 200 round of .41 Magnum a couple weeks ago. 100 loaded with a 215 gr SWCs over 5 gr of TiteGroup, and the other 100 loaded with 210 gr Speer DeepCurl JHPs over 21.1 gr of H-110.
how many times can you reload a casing?, and why not steel?

Until it splits or deforms. Or, in my case, accidentally smushing the rim seating the bullet too quickly.
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Post by: mister on January 26, 2013, 12:09:19 PM
The steel casings I've got are all coated in a thin layer of paint or something. I assume to prevent rust. So you would always be fighting rust if you wanted to keep them for reloading


Also, as steel is harder than brass of imagine resizing the neck our whatever during reloading would be a pita.
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Post by: Janx101 on January 26, 2013, 04:41:24 PM
I wouldn't bother reloading steel cases.... They get stuck on the resizers .. They wear all the dies quicker, they 'usually' have twin flash holes in the primer pocket .. So if you forget you smash the deprimer pin ... Yes as mister says they rust ... The steel changes temper as you try to keep reloading them .. Resulting in cracking, splitting and separting and then some spectacular swearing trying to get the front half of a case out of the breech!!!


If they cheap to use ... Just be happy that they throwaway units and leave it at that....

Buy your brass when it's cheap and save them up for loading later .... Buying only loaded brass to reload is a bigger upfront hit to the pocket ... And you still have to hope you can get a good group out of the factory load...

 :thumb:

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Post by: Huff1371 on January 28, 2013, 09:41:54 AM
+1 on not reloading steel cases. If you get them to actually load they crack, rust, misfire, etc.. The steel fatigues and really is not worth the risk. Imagine bending a crappy paper clip back and forth, thats what happens to them. as far as brass you can load them a few times before they begin to go out of spec due to sizing and trimming, at which time the usually only crack without much consequence.
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Post by: john on January 28, 2013, 10:49:03 AM
+1 on not reloading steel cases. If you get them to actually load they crack, rust, misfire, etc.. The steel fatigues and really is not worth the risk. Imagine bending a crappy paper clip back and forth, thats what happens to them. as far as brass you can load them a few times before they begin to go out of spec due to sizing and trimming, at which time the usually only crack without much consequence.

What he said.
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Post by: Kijona on January 28, 2013, 09:24:50 PM
Also would like to mention the fact that the steel used in casings is typically inexpensive (hence why steel case ammo is always the cheapest) and brittle. Rather than splitting apart like brass, it will actually chip off and fly down the barrel. I've seen this with some TulAmmo in 7.62x39. The neck of the case broke off and went down and out of the barrel. Obviously this is bad news for the gun. Not that it was reloaded, either. It was brand new.
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Post by: Janx101 on January 28, 2013, 09:38:15 PM
ummmm  :icon_eek: .... maybe you fellas seen this?... maybe not... but....  :cookoo:

http://youtu.be/xohy9gWz7kk

... and err... you know how you yankees have them pesky squirrels hanging around.... this works!

http://youtu.be/3U24405yIyY

i dont think old mate jethro works much... but ... lol... he got a good pellet gun!
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Post by: slipperymongoose on January 28, 2013, 09:46:37 PM
Farkin hell only in America
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Post by: Janx101 on January 28, 2013, 10:06:27 PM
mmmmmhmmmm... lol... i have had a real slow day in office... clicked on an email link a mate sent me for bike stuff.... and finally escaped from YT 4.5 hours later!!...

the big bore real rifle... well... i can see the value in it for maybe elephants ...

but the air gun... ok... i reckon its funny as .. and i would have a go of one... but... ..... but..... wha?! .... theres links online for lads asking about deer takedowns etc... whats up with gunpowder?.... these the new 'green' guns or what?
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Post by: mister on January 29, 2013, 03:20:46 AM
Unless you are into airgunning you wouldn't understand the attraction of big bore.

I've seen goat taken with them. Quite impressive.
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Post by: noworries on January 29, 2013, 07:27:20 PM
Ain't that airgunning thingie a bit cruel with animals? Wonder what the goat said? Like, if you have to kill an animal, do it fast/quick/clean like you'd want it done to yourself Gave up shooting animals years ago when one night I put a military hard-point out of a ex-Austrian Army Mauser 30.06 carbine with an integral 5-round magazine(I put that technical stuff in 'cos I know how that Yamahawhatthefurg guy gets a big hard on with the gun details) straight through the nose of a lovely female kangaroo and - dead as she was - her joey climbed out of the pouch. Tried to keep the little one alive but they get the squirts even on lactose-free milk and he (yup a little boy fella) died after a few days. I've never forgiven myself for that. But, what the heck, off you go killing animals with airguns and talking about velocities and foot-pounds and feeling good...mind you, I could see you crying home to yer mum if a bloke put a -177 up your arseend. End of vent....arggggh.
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Post by: Kiwingenuity on January 30, 2013, 11:26:25 AM

the big bore real rifle... well... i can see the value in it for maybe elephants ...


If you have ever had the unpleasant experience of someone using the wrong tool for the job. I.E> a .223 to "take down" a bambi at 50 yards, then spent 3 hours in the failing light trying to find said bambi to finish the job - you will understand the appeal of a slightly larger bore which gets the job done.  "No worries" is right - you want the job done right, quick and efficient.

I have never had anything get up and run away after getting tagged by the .308 (150grain HP) - sure it tenderises the meat a little bit, and you have to be a little bit careful you dont ruin the offside shoulder... I guess I could be sporting and use the .410 side by side, but Sika deer are a pain in the proverbial to sneak up on..
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Post by: jacob92icu on January 30, 2013, 11:40:34 AM
I got a Panther Arms AR-15 5.56 and .223, a 12 ga. Mossberg 500, a Remmington 700 30-06, and soon I will have a Barreta 9mm with them hollow points.
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Post by: mister on January 30, 2013, 11:59:43 AM
noworries, big bore airgunning Needs to rely on the Stalk to get close enough so it is a one shot kill. You ain't shooting much with a big bore airgun at 100 yards.

As for roos, for next time (if there ever is one) all females are with child all the time. If you shoot one there will be a youngen in the pouch of Some size. Might be the jellybean size blob like thing or capable of eating etc on its own, but there will be something in the pouch.

Kiwi, I don't see anything wrong with hitting a bambi with a 223 - providing - you can be assured of shot placement at an appropriate range. A bambi will run off just as much from a misplaced 223 round as a 308 which breaks off its jaw so that it dies of starvation somewhere down the line. Not saying you should go stalking full grown bucks with 223, just pointing out that a misplaced shot can be just as bad as an underpowered weapon choice. - Now where did I put my 177 airgun, I've got a water buffalo problem...
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Post by: Kiwingenuity on January 30, 2013, 01:44:43 PM

Kiwi, I don't see anything wrong with hitting a bambi with a 223 - providing - you can be assured of shot placement at an appropriate range. A bambi will run off just as much from a misplaced 223 round as a 308 which breaks off its jaw so that it dies of starvation somewhere down the line. Not saying you should go stalking full grown bucks with 223, just pointing out that a misplaced shot can be just as bad as an underpowered weapon choice. - Now where did I put my 177 airgun, I've got a water buffalo problem...

Agreed - I definately would use a .223 for deer if I could get slightly closer to them critters to be assured of reliable placement. I have gone after goats at reasonable range with a .223 on open ground where I can get close and know they are not going to get up again. 

As for air, I have seen some absolute fluke shots with a .177 on bunnies.. Water buffalo you say.. I see your .177 and raise you with a 2.0 rock..  :thumb:


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Post by: Janx101 on January 30, 2013, 05:35:41 PM

the big bore real rifle... well... i can see the value in it for maybe elephants ...


If you have ever had the unpleasant experience of someone using the wrong tool for the job. I.E> a .223 to "take down" a bambi at 50 yards, then spent 3 hours in the failing light trying to find said bambi to finish the job - you will understand the appeal of a slightly larger bore which gets the job done.  "No worries" is right - you want the job done right, quick and efficient.

I have never had anything get up and run away after getting tagged by the .308 (150grain HP) - sure it tenderises the meat a little bit, and you have to be a little bit careful you dont ruin the offside shoulder... I guess I could be sporting and use the .410 side by side, but Sika deer are a pain in the proverbial to sneak up on..

yeah i get your point... and know the experiences you mentioned also... but .. you did watch that 1st video right?.. its .950 calibre!! .. using a 2,400 gn projectile!! .. with 240gn of powder!!!!!!! .. THAT gun .. sure you could hit anything with it i suppose... even a sparrow if your real steady?! ... but ... apart from Elephant, M1 Abhrams Tank .. or perhaps an Aircraft Carrier!! .. i cant think of much it'd really be needed for?!...

i'd love to see it being used on a range .. but i wouldn't use it... every single one of those fools in the video .. over the benchrest ... even though most of them kept a straight face .. you can tell it hurt them .. and not just a little bit ... far out... i've had a single shot out of a .450 Ackley ... safari rifle .. standing up .. and that bastard hurt.. and yes i know how to shoot.. with the .950 JDJ ... i just wouldnt bother.. when i shoot .. or used to shoot/hunt/target range .. any big bore stuff.. i keep the recoil lower so its not punishing ... some of the mates would do the whole hairy chest beating thing about mega recoil and how they loved it... i just loved seeing the dark red/purple/yellow bruises in their shoulder ... turn to blue/dark purple/green bruises ... fools
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Post by: noworries on January 31, 2013, 03:53:58 AM
Then there was the night we were out in the Landie spotlighting rabbits and a couple hopped in and up under the vehicle and Bruce, panicking that we were going to start letting off rounds under the Landie (pissed as we were) shouts out "Don't shoot, don't shoot, I'll get out and root 'em to death!!!" Don't like killing animals anymore but have to confess to having  had a few crazy experiences in the past.
RIP Bruce, we all still remember ya, ya mad bastard.
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Post by: Janx101 on January 31, 2013, 04:01:42 AM
Lol... Root a rabbit to death ... Bahahahahhaaa

Geez... You'd have to .... Root like a rabbit!  ;)
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Post by: Huff1371 on January 31, 2013, 06:44:16 AM
Shot placement is key, always. In my earlier, not so proud years, I witnessed many a deer dropped by .22lr. I use .270 almost exclusively but it's much louder than one would want when not wanting the world to know you shot a deer.
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Post by: Kiwingenuity on January 31, 2013, 12:12:09 PM
That .950 is a bit insane - I have used .416, .427 and .50BMG bolt actions at a range - can't personally see a need for a rifle much bigger than that..

The most fun we used to have on range was light cannon (4 pounder) - was amazed to see how far they can sling a piece of steel. That and your shoulder didnt have to be stuffed by the end of a few days on range... 

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Post by: Huff1371 on January 31, 2013, 01:33:50 PM
Love the .50 and was really impressed with the .416.  But I still don't see a reason for either size outside of military applications. Hell, even .338 is a "look how big mine is" round.
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Post by: Kiwingenuity on January 31, 2013, 02:45:02 PM
The biggest problem with big calibres is the running costs - even with reloading.  Theres a lot to be said for plinking with the .22.

Here's a question - since we are a "new country" - whats the oldest beast anyone has and still uses? The oldest I own is Sep '36 Remington .22, and my brother has an 1880 Martini Henry .303 (was rechambered to the "new" calibre in 1898).
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Post by: mister on January 31, 2013, 05:46:37 PM
The oldest I Had was a Swedish Mauser M96 from Carl Gustafs with a synthetic stock on it. Don't remember the Exact age but Carl made them between 1896 and 1932. When I took it to the range and fired it people nearby would Always pause and look at me. I never understood why until I let a friend shoot it. I was in the next booth and the shockwave washed over me. So That was why they used to look and eventually ask what it was I was shooting.

That baby packed a punch alright and it made sense when you know they use them in Sweden to shoot Moose. I only used to put 20 rounds through it a session though.

My shooting buddy had an early 1900s 303. He removed the wooden stock and put a synthetic on it cause the steel butt pad was causing him grief after shooting a 20 round box.

I don't own the M96 anymore though.
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Post by: Badot on January 31, 2013, 10:11:16 PM
Reminds me of my m91/30. My friend and I went to the range and he took the bench right next to mine even though no one else was there. He said the shockwave made him jump a little every shot.

The dirty ammo looks pretty cool with the muzzlebrake too  :icon_mrgreen:
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Post by: yamahonkawazuki on January 31, 2013, 10:21:22 PM
20mm anzio, damn i like bigt rifles. but i kinda have to draw the line at something that is taller/longer than i am.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ft2j6J4NcY
a 50BMG ( or as i call it BFG lol) thats a half inch in diametre the .950jdj nearly twice that. can only imagine ammo cost. course if you could afford the gun, you wont Buddha Loves You too much about ammo cost Eh?
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Post by: yamahonkawazuki on January 31, 2013, 10:39:18 PM
oh damn lol
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Post by: Huff1371 on February 02, 2013, 03:17:51 PM
I regularly shoot a 1912 Swiss k1911 rifle. But it's not uncommon to break out a 1890's Winchester lever action.
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Post by: oldmech on February 03, 2013, 04:17:17 PM
have owned. sold and traded more than i can remember. favorites where the 22 hornet and 22 swift for ground hogs. 30-06 and 45-70 for woods hunting for deer and a remington 700 bdl 7 mag for field hunting for them. not too many pistols..a few 22 caliber but favorite was a 44 mag bisley ruger. loaded with the right powder it was a pleasure to shoot and very accurate. pretty much sold off all my gun stuff. lost interest. bikes are more fun and less expensive!  :D( ok maybe) down to a 22 revolver i got from my dad, its a h&r trapper model. it does not get shot,being a collector. and a 50 caliber t/c muzzleloader for the occasional deer hunt.
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Post by: yamahonkawazuki on April 13, 2013, 06:59:03 AM
i dont own this one. but shop owner does. looking forward to testing itout lol
(http://www.gs500.net/gallery/data/500/medium/1216.jpg)
(SRM 1216)
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Post by: adidasguy on April 19, 2013, 12:55:16 AM
I have an occasional raccoon problem with my koi pond.
I guess a co2 semi-auto 0.177 pellet rifle is in order?
In the city so has to be quiet.
Maybe a Hammerli 850 AirMagnum with a scope?

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Post by: k.rollin on April 19, 2013, 03:05:56 AM
I'd suggest live traps or fencing the pond for two reasons. A) Raccoons are tough and they can be very aggressive. There's a good chance that a .177 or even a .22 caliber airgun projectile will only cause injury or aggravate it. If you insist on using an airgun, I'd suggest going with a big bore rifle. B) Unless you can be absolutely certain that every pellet you shoot remains on your property and does not enter any place generally open to the public, you'd likely be in violation of Seattle Municipal Code 12A.14.083.

I also don't know what your neighbor situation is like, but being in the city, I'd assume that if you were shooting your airgun in the yard, you'd be in view of someone, and given Seattle's propensity for being anti-gun, you may end up the subject of a 911 MWAG call.

Just one guy's thoughts. YMMV.
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Post by: Janx101 on April 19, 2013, 05:28:19 AM
Mmmm yep ... Little air gun pellet doesn't weigh much at all .... However ... If you must .. And don't get caught ... And are a good shot .... Aim for the butt of the ear .. From a rear quartering angle ... Should just about get into the brain pan ...  :whisper:

However again... Trap with later transport elsewhere or to 'the rangers' if they handle the critters? ... Would be a far safer option for your freedom?  :angel:
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Post by: adidasguy on April 19, 2013, 05:32:22 AM
Have been trapping and sending them on their way to raccoon heaven. Neighbors know that and hate raccoon, too. Just want more fun at 4 am and when trapped, they yell so loud.
One night I hit a stupid one on the head with a stick. That was funny. It walked right under the rake handle.
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Post by: adidasguy on April 19, 2013, 05:35:45 AM
In Seattle, raccoons are a legal pest. That means if trapped, they cannot be relocated. Must go to heaven (or I suppose made into pot pie or stew or a 1930's style coat.)
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Post by: Badot on April 19, 2013, 06:13:32 AM
I'll second that raccoons have a good chance of surviving an airgun shot. I've got a .177 magnum with a nitro piston that puts standard pellets supersonic. Still gotta tag them right in the head for a clean kill.
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Post by: pliskin on April 19, 2013, 07:17:45 AM
I concur coons are tough suckers. I had one as a pet as when I was a kid. He walked trough a full size running windows fan (stopping it) and got into the house. Could not find a mark on him. Same with groundhogs, they are even tougher. I use
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Post by: adidasguy on April 19, 2013, 02:18:53 PM
......Still gotta tag them right in the head for a clean kill.
Gives me a reason to become a good marksman.
Raccoons in my area are really stupid. I had a large trap - no bait, no food in it. Once I caught 2 youngsters at the same time. another time an older one just wandered in.

I haven't had any in my pond for over a year since they were trapped and hauled away. It seems time for one to move into this unclaimed territory so I best get ready.

Wouldn't a 10 round repeater at 1000 fps with the right pellets do SOME damage?
http://www.amazon.com/Benjamin-Marauder-Air-Rifle-rifle/dp/B001QUM0O2/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=BNPI3JBI1GA&coliid=I3EAAVXTZ9X8DH&psc=1

1000fps for .22 and 1100 fps for .177

Now am I correct in that the way these things are designed, a .22 at 1000 fps would have about the same effect as a .177 at 1100 fps? As energy is mas times speed or would a .177 do more damage to a smaller area than a .22? (I grew up with computers and wish my dad took me hunting more than once  :sad: )

Since it is advertised as "This item is not for sale in some specific zip codes" that must mean it is cool and fun!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v402/r1derbike/Airguns/BenjaminMarauder.jpg)

I guess a 750 fps might not be enough. I heard they hurt, and 1000 fps hurts more?

Other ideas? Cross bow pistol? Thing that goes bang with a thing on it to quiet the bang? Machete? High power laser?  (Damn city laws limits my choices)

I can't leave anything out that would hurt the cats (dogs - meh, they're louder than a Harley.)
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Post by: Badot on April 19, 2013, 02:32:26 PM
Actually, a bolt action .22 with a long barrel and quiet ammo (710 fps was it?) generally hits a bit harder than a 1000 fps .177 air rifle and is surprisingly quiet. You can hear the firing pin drop, a slight 'snap', and then the bullet flying through the air.
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Post by: Janx101 on April 19, 2013, 02:49:47 PM
Pellet weight plays a role too .. Looking at the link ..... .25 cal avail!  :thumb:

My only real concern is with any of these is 'down range' .... As k.rollin said what if a pellet misses and goes elsewhere? .. And the within city limits rules....

But knowing if you accurate ... Go to a target range ... Pay your $ and practice/check what the settings are ... If you nail the centre of target ... You can nail the skull/brain ...  :thumb:
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Post by: adidasguy on April 19, 2013, 02:57:18 PM
There's one that goes 1500 fps! But it is break barrel so not automatic or semi.
Shooting them: in back yard. Shielded by wood fence and garage.
Koi pond: Shooting down from deck so misses go in the ground.

Bow and arrow could be fun - but that has the same flaw as golf: you gotta go chase your stuff and retrieve it. Unlike bowling - where the machine sendz yur ballz back to you.

PCP or CO2? Or NP (but that is single shot - OK if I get good at it!)

Looks like about 1100 fps is best for CO2 repeaters. Single shot NP I see up to 1500.

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Post by: Janx101 on April 19, 2013, 03:17:45 PM
Errr ... I would stay away from bow and arrow for the city ... Unless you turn out to be a crack shot ...

An example ... I've seen a test ... A .22 rifle (powder power not air but the velocity similar) ... Fired at a wet wool blanket hanging on a backyard line ... Bullet got stopped ... Then a arrow was shot at the blanket (much lower fps but massive comparative weight) .. Went straight thru the blanket and an inch into a tree 30 yards behind it! ... I notice you have wood fence and shed ... But a Wet wool blanket with swinging motion/movement actually a pretty difficult thing to penetrate! .. You can drive a arrow or pellet/bullet through a fence if you hit a weak spot! ...

Not saying either is more dangerous than the other really ... But for in city ... Harder to 'aim at a tennis ball sized target' ... Unless you a Hollywood movie man!  ;) ... I think the bow rather more dangerous for accuracy/leakage of shot purposes.

So ... Airgun ... Scope and get the thing zero'd for 30 yards? (I'm thinking cos of your likely range of target)  .. Larger calibre? If you can... Ummm practice, on paper targets, tin cans, small wood blocks ... You want to be ACCURATE for a clean kill ... Leaving a wounded critter is just cruel ...

Oh yeah and camo face paint... Woodsman hunting clothing with RealTree pattern.... Or possibly RealHouse pattern , lmao.... Bandanna .... Suitable chuck Norris quote for after the takedown ...


Lolololol... Nah just winding ya up!!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on April 19, 2013, 03:21:04 PM
Distance is more like 5 yards at most.
I hit one with a stick on the head one night. He slept well after that. They're that brazen and stupid.
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Post by: Janx101 on April 19, 2013, 07:12:24 PM
5 yards? ... get a taser!!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: k.rollin on April 19, 2013, 10:02:47 PM
When I suggested a big bore airgun, I was thinking something like .357/9mm or larger. Reading the Seattle Municipal Code and the applicable sections of the RCW, I think you may be best protected from a legal standpoint if you were to use a crossbow. You could always try launching the varmints too, if you felt like building a siege engine.
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Post by: yamahonkawazuki on April 19, 2013, 10:20:29 PM
or pay the tax stamp and get a silencer but being in a crowded area, you MUST be a good shot. weve also got that srm 1216 up for sale soon. have 2 more coming in
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Post by: Badot on April 19, 2013, 10:25:10 PM
You could always try launching the varmints too, if you felt like building a siege engine.

Ooh, now we're talking!

Maybe build yourself a little trebuchet... instead of a sling, use a little net with some kind of bait. Pull the pin and watch as they become someone else's problem a few blocks down  :icon_mrgreen:
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Post by: adidasguy on April 20, 2013, 01:01:52 AM
or pay the tax stamp and get a silencer but being in a crowded area, you MUST be a good shot. weve also got that srm 1216 up for sale soon. have 2 more coming in
I'll take one! how much? Tax refund coming!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on April 20, 2013, 01:14:28 AM
When I suggested a big bore airgun, I was thinking something like .357/9mm or larger. Reading the Seattle Municipal Code and the applicable sections of the RCW, I think you may be best protected from a legal standpoint if you were to use a crossbow. You could always try launching the varmints too, if you felt like building a siege engine.
Lets say a varmint enters the house and poses an imminent  thread to my life. I think I'm more open to what I can do. I have had raccoons enter through the kitty door!

A wood chipper would be interesting but I have to catch them first.

We were testing a Crosman Phantom 1000 FPS .177 Break Barrel Air Rifle (Includes 4 X 32mm Scope) that showed up today before we started work on Quin. It was fun. Pretty powerful. I think a raccoon would be unhappy getting hit with that.

but what if they show up en-masse? Now I need a repeater!Cluster bomb? Flame thrower? (no, that would damage the shrubbery.)

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on April 20, 2013, 01:44:32 AM
.22lr silencer http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411547701/SILENCERCO+SPARROW+.22LR+SUPPRESSOR
weve also got a .50AE desert eagle in stock that would take care of the coons, as well as back door, yard, koi pond  back fence and prolly neighbours house wall lol
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on April 20, 2013, 03:49:11 AM
.22lr silencer http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411547701/SILENCERCO+SPARROW+.22LR+SUPPRESSOR
weve also got a .50AE desert eagle in stock that would take care of the coons, as well as back door, yard, koi pond  back fence and prolly neighbours house wall lol
Save it for me. How much $
Tax refund coming in. I found I can deduct the care expenses for my mom so that helps a lot. I can't deduct her rent because I can't have her as a dependent ( $300 too much pension a year which is still not enough to live on). You can deduct non-dependent family members medical and care expenses.

On another note:
What scope and mounts are required for a Benjamin Marauder PCP Air Rifle .22 cal Repeater 1000 fps

In everything I've read, nothing really says and I'm a noobie at things that go bang or in this case pffffffffffft.
It comes with no sights (WTF?) so I need a short range sight for say 30 feet.

This seems to be the best legal thing for varmint control. 22's and other things that really go BANG are not something the city likes and would annoy the neighbors. The .22 air rifle seems to be rated as good for critters (based on reviews) and is supposed to be very quiet (so I can practice in the yard and not attract attention).

For coons, especially when there is momma and babies, you need a repeater like the Benjamin Marauder.

Single shot break barrel (oooooh! I have been learning the correct terms) is too slow. Spring mechanism too noisy and slow.

Is this becoming the West Seattle GS500 and Pellet Gun Club and Beer Connoisseur Society?  :dunno_black:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on April 20, 2013, 09:20:25 AM
It has an 11mm dovetail rail. Depending what kind of optic you want to put on the gun you may need an adapter rail or scope rings. For the distances your talking about a simple and cheap red dot sight would be fine.  The one linked doesn't require a special rail adapter for the air rifle your thinking about getting.   http://www.airgundepot.com/bsa-30mm-red-dot-22-silver-3-8-dovetail.html (http://www.airgundepot.com/bsa-30mm-red-dot-22-silver-3-8-dovetail.html)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on April 20, 2013, 09:26:10 AM
i sent you a pm regarding scope and mounts for the rifle. now the silencer is pricy lol damn near 500.  :cookoo:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Badot on April 20, 2013, 11:10:12 AM
Single shot break barrel (oooooh! I have been learning the correct terms) is too slow. Spring mechanism too noisy and slow.

Nitro piston airguns are a bit more pricey but make more of a 'ping' sound (like a slightly higher pitch tire bead seating). Much better and quieter than the combination twang/thwack of a spring. Plus you can leave them cocked without worrying about damage to the gun.

I'd still recommend a long barreled .22 bolt action over a PCP airgun. You shouldn't have a problem getting the same knockdown power per noise by choosing your ammo and then you get the adaptability and simplicity (as well as parts availability) of a 22 rifle. Ratshot, tracers, hyper velocity ammo, the quiet stuff, and everything in between... all perfectly happy in the same gun. Not to mention you can get a great quality .22 for under $200.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: noworries on April 20, 2013, 05:26:54 PM
Nah, it's becoming the American kill or maim an animal painfully by using an inadequate tool Society. Look, boys, if you have to kill an animal, do it the proper way - fast and clean. Remember, kharma.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on April 20, 2013, 06:25:07 PM
Nah, it's becoming the American kill or maim an animal painfully by using an inadequate tool Society. Look, boys, if you have to kill an animal, do it the proper way - fast and clean. Remember, kharma.
+1 :bowdown:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: pliskin on April 20, 2013, 06:44:59 PM
You can get a Gamo Whisper brake barrel .177 (has built in silencer) with a scope for about $180 clams. It's a brake barrel single shot 1000-1200fps. Use a hollow point pellet with a steel or polymer tip it will take care of most small game. You should never need more than one shot. If you miss the varmint going to run anyway and you'll not have a second chance.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on April 21, 2013, 02:46:07 AM
You could always try launching the varmints too, if you felt like building a siege engine.

Ooh, now we're talking!

Maybe build yourself a little trebuchet... instead of a sling, use a little net with some kind of bait. Pull the pin and watch as they become someone else's problem a few blocks down  :icon_mrgreen:

Hmmmmm .... http://science.discovery.com/tv-shows/punkin-chunkin/videos/punkin-chunkin-catapults.htm

Does a raccoon and a punkin weigh about the same?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on April 21, 2013, 10:28:02 AM
Nah, it's becoming the American kill or maim an animal painfully by using an inadequate tool Society. Look, boys, if you have to kill an animal, do it the proper way - fast and clean. Remember, kharma.
speak for yourself Eh? look at his location. most cities disallow gunfire. in fact i think all of them do. addy ill get you a pic of the eagle monday when i go in. IIRC its NIB wanting to say 1400?, going rate for one atm. really no markup to speak of.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on April 21, 2013, 12:20:24 PM
If you want a quiet gadget to take care of critters I have two options that work well for me:
1) KMK-10 .22 MKII Ruger with Colibi powderless target shorts (great for rats in ceiling spaces / basements) - the powderless ammo is good for about 5m lethal on things such as rats and won't make it through a plaster board wall

2) My most recent purchase has been a H&R .44 single shot with a nice gunworks supressor (almost cost as much as the rifle) and a basic reflex scope - this thing is vvveeeerry vvveeeerry Qwuiet.. used it to skittle a bambi about three weeks back. Effective range about 25m with subsonic ammo. Seems to work a treat.

In terms of homemade traps, you can have some great fun reading up - I would recommend this title I found some time back, and a great website for other bits and pieces...
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/17243/17243-h/17243-h.htm (http://www.gutenberg.org/files/17243/17243-h/17243-h.htm)

I also have an electronic rat trap, and man, that thing takes no prisoners.  No rats have learned to avoid it yet either. Using bacon dripping on wholemeal crackers as the bait... They are talking of banning the electronic traps here, but it is all other in about 5 seconds even on some pretty large rats. The main reason I have it is that it is safe for cats and dogs since they cannot activate it. 
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: oldmech on April 21, 2013, 06:45:23 PM
guns are great and cool i own and have owned quite a few. but for rodents such as mice nothing beats the old west virginia mouse trap. one five gallon bucket insides greased up. two ramps for the vermin to climb up and one board to bridge the span of the bucket, just slightly with the bait in the middle. heres the trick. two finish nails in the ends of the bait board so when the little critters go up the ramp and onto the board they  loose their balance on the balanced or not so balanced baord withe bait on it, and fall into the bucket.
really this too much typing to make this shite up. it works. :D
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on April 21, 2013, 07:18:40 PM
If you want a quiet gadget to take care of critters I have two options that work well for me:
1) KMK-10 .22 MKII Ruger with Colibi powderless target shorts (great for rats in ceiling spaces / basements) - the powderless ammo is good for about 5m lethal on things such as rats and won't make it through a plaster board wall

2) My most recent purchase has been a H&R .44 single shot with a nice gunworks supressor (almost cost as much as the rifle) and a basic reflex scope - this thing is vvveeeerry vvveeeerry Qwuiet.. used it to skittle a bambi about three weeks back. Effective range about 25m with subsonic ammo. Seems to work a treat.

In terms of homemade traps, you can have some great fun reading up - I would recommend this title I found some time back, and a great website for other bits and pieces...
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/17243/17243-h/17243-h.htm (http://www.gutenberg.org/files/17243/17243-h/17243-h.htm)

I also have an electronic rat trap, and man, that thing takes no prisoners.  No rats have learned to avoid it yet either. Using bacon dripping on wholemeal crackers as the bait... They are talking of banning the electronic traps here, but it is all other in about 5 seconds even on some pretty large rats. The main reason I have it is that it is safe for cats and dogs since they cannot activate it.
Ill be damned i forgot about hte colibi rounds  :bowdown:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: noworries on April 21, 2013, 07:50:43 PM
Oh, that's OK then. Some bit of paper says no guns. So let's kill an animal - or hurt it - or main it - with an inadequate tool that lets you get your jollies off and your gun fantasies sorta fulfilled. Say it once again so you might understand - if you have to kill an animal, do it fast, do it clean. While I'm here, have you ever seen the pain a poorly shot animal exhibits and endures. Nah, I thought not.

And of course I speak for myself.

And Yami, mate, remember karma. Do remember karma. When you hit the Pearlies it mightn't be yer 40 virgins but yer 40 racoons and a couple of their moose mates awaiting for ya.





Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on April 21, 2013, 08:20:59 PM
errrr ... noworries ... understand your point .. and agree clean and quick is the only way ... but .. i dont remember anyone actually gloating that they wanted to give a lingering death to the critters....

there HAS been discussion of what the minimum force required might be... and of how accuracy is paramount ..

plus a few of the JOKING style bits .. such as catapults and things...

you dont really think Addy or Yama ... who love their Cats to "ends of the earth" .. would deliberately maim or wound and leave to linger a Raccoon or other varmint or any animal... do you? ..

or anyone in here really ...

do you actually hunt anything?... with anything?... or just have a total karmic/all are equal lifestyle? ... im not trying to be too provocative here ... (i think) .. but .. preachin' best be backed by real experience .. not just wishful thinking .. and i dont know which you have... and i'm curious.. genuinely!! ..  :icon_question:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on April 21, 2013, 08:21:58 PM
Sorry - bit of a typo - manufacturer is Colibri for the powderless rounds. Yellow packaging with a hummingbird on the front. Only issue is that you have to single shot them if you are using a .22 LR chambered semi.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on April 21, 2013, 11:05:34 PM
Just picked up a Kel-Tec PLR-16!!

Wow. What a gun!

(http://209.197.93.201/PLR-16-CompensatorMuzzleBlast.jpg)

(not my pic)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on April 21, 2013, 11:19:34 PM
Looks like someone preparing for war?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on April 21, 2013, 11:26:31 PM
I think I need some. I have all the GS500 parts I need. Time to start collecting something else.
Send any c/o the Bike Cave.  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: john on April 22, 2013, 06:33:28 AM
I have always liked the kel-tec sub 2000.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Slack on April 22, 2013, 07:09:45 AM
I have always liked the kel-tec sub 2000.

X 2
And with all the 33 round glock mags I have it would immediately be a useful tool without any other purchases needed.
It is b.s. that they hack saw off the bottom of the grip for a G19 mag, instead of actually molding a slightly shorter grip.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on April 22, 2013, 06:03:45 PM
I have always liked the kel-tec sub 2000.

X 2
And with all the 33 round glock mags I have it would immediately be a useful tool without any other purchases needed.
It is b.s. that they hack saw off the bottom of the grip for a G19 mag, instead of actually molding a slightly shorter grip.

Guy at work has one for sale...thinking about it but not so sure yet. I have ZERO 9mm ammo. :(
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on April 22, 2013, 06:07:50 PM
Better get into reloading big time if you are using 30 shot mags  :woohoo:

That and become a range gopher and fossick for every spare case you can get your mitts on..

Just stripped down my FN medallist at the weekend - don't think it had been cleaned for over a quarter century.. now I can actualy enjoy the take up and feel the trigger properly.

Also had a new firing pin and recrown job done - sighted it at the w/e and it is shooting very nicely.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on April 22, 2013, 07:11:46 PM
Better get into reloading big time if you are using 30 shot mags  :woohoo:

That and become a range gopher and fossick for every spare case you can get your mitts on..

Just stripped down my FN medallist at the weekend - don't think it had been cleaned for over a quarter century.. now I can actualy enjoy the take up and feel the trigger properly.

Also had a new firing pin and recrown job done - sighted it at the w/e and it is shooting very nicely.

If it ever comes back I can get a box of 9mm 115g FMJ for 8.79 from work thanks to our exceptionally low ammo prices plus employee discount.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on April 23, 2013, 03:20:38 PM
4 months still waiting for my licence
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on April 23, 2013, 03:36:10 PM

If it ever comes back I can get a box of 9mm 115g FMJ for 8.79 from work thanks to our exceptionally low ammo prices plus employee discount.

That is cheap - I used to get bulk discount and the best I ever managed was bout $16 per box for 9mm.

Got a brick of Remington T-22 at the weekend - $92 for .22 LR target ammo.. almost $10 / box. madness.. club ammo is CCI at the moment, just doesnt work for my FN though (not quite enough powder to get the slide back properly every once in a while).
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on April 23, 2013, 07:58:03 PM

If it ever comes back I can get a box of 9mm 115g FMJ for 8.79 from work thanks to our exceptionally low ammo prices plus employee discount.

That is cheap - I used to get bulk discount and the best I ever managed was bout $16 per box for 9mm.

Got a brick of Remington T-22 at the weekend - $92 for .22 LR target ammo.. almost $10 / box. madness.. club ammo is CCI at the moment, just doesnt work for my FN though (not quite enough powder to get the slide back properly every once in a while).

I've got some of my ammo listed on a local gun website. Local pickup only. Selling CCI Mini-Mag ammo for $20/box which is four times what I paid for it. I bought a bunch back when ammo was able to be had relatively easily.

Believe it or not I got a bunch of hits at that price. Thinking about raising the price more.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on April 23, 2013, 08:24:26 PM
Best score I got was 1400 rounds of R1M1 .308 FMJ (SA made) - $240. ended up selling 5 of the 140 round pouches for $80 each..

I should have bought more, but was a student at the time - would have been a good investment...
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on April 24, 2013, 02:19:40 AM
Woohoo final step confirm my identity and I become a licensed shooter
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on April 24, 2013, 02:36:42 AM
 :icon_eek: ... I'll just .... Err.... Let me just .... Errr (sidles behind nearest mountain)  :flipoff:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on April 24, 2013, 02:46:34 AM
Hey janx let's go for a hunting trip mate. There'll be some shooting, some fishing, some drinking, some eating, some fighting, and some f%$king. And it's just you and me hahahahahahahahahha  :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on April 24, 2013, 02:53:47 AM
Hey janx let's go for a hunting trip mate. There'll be some shooting, some fishing, some drinking, some eating, some fighting, and some f%$king. And it's just you and me hahahahahahahahahha  :icon_twisted:

Well that would be just 'great'  :confused: .... So I get to try to sleep in a thin walled tent while you go around trying to double decker some sheep all night?!?!?! ...

Yeah we'd probably end up fighting..... I get awful grumpy if I can't sleep!, I'd have to drink to try nod off.. Then I'd have a headache ... So I might try fishing waaaaay down by the creek while I have my sandwiches... But I'd still know you were trying to create a slips/merino genetic mutation .. Then I'd have to shoot all the sheep just to save the world!!  ... And hog tie you in the back of the ute for the long trip back to civilisation!! ....  :flipoff:

Who wants photos?!?!  :icon_twisted:

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on April 24, 2013, 05:05:11 AM
If rekkon you'd see a cockroach and knock yourself out on a branch
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Badot on April 24, 2013, 05:16:28 AM
I've got some of my ammo listed on a local gun website. Local pickup only. Selling CCI Mini-Mag ammo for $20/box which is four times what I paid for it. I bought a bunch back when ammo was able to be had relatively easily.

Believe it or not I got a bunch of hits at that price. Thinking about raising the price more.

The ****? I haven't bought ammo for the past 6 months, has the price seriously gotten that high?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: noworries on April 24, 2013, 08:41:42 AM
Fair questions, Janx.  I used to shoot animals.....kangaroos, rabbits and a fox or two. But one day, a long time ago, I stopped. Reason? I guess I realised that I didn't want to hurt animals anymore than I wanted to hurt people. And over the years I've put my eating habits into  gear with my brain and become vegetarian. So that's me.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on April 24, 2013, 11:03:16 AM
I've got some of my ammo listed on a local gun website. Local pickup only. Selling CCI Mini-Mag ammo for $20/box which is four times what I paid for it. I bought a bunch back when ammo was able to be had relatively easily.

Believe it or not I got a bunch of hits at that price. Thinking about raising the price more.

The ****? I haven't bought ammo for the past 6 months, has the price seriously gotten that high?

There's a shortage of .22LR ammo, and Mini-Mag ammo is the hardest to find. Supply and demand as they say. Store prices haven't really gone up thankfully.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on April 24, 2013, 07:59:08 PM
Fair questions, Janx.  I used to shoot animals.....kangaroos, rabbits and a fox or two. But one day, a long time ago, I stopped. Reason? I guess I realised that I didn't want to hurt animals anymore than I wanted to hurt people. And over the years I've put my eating habits into  gear with my brain and become vegetarian. So that's me.

That's cool.... I used to shoot also.... But the interest faded when it became just too damn hard to find a responsible/trouble free hunting partner....

I'm not a 'veggie' though... Nor a strict carnivore... I prefer OMNIvore.... I'll eat just about anything!!! ... Cept eggplant/aubergine and licorice/anything that tastes like licorice ... Blecchy!! Oh and most soy products and tofu ... Soy 'meat',  tofu and eggplant give me indigestion/heartburn ...  :dunno_black:

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: noworries on April 24, 2013, 09:08:54 PM
Spot on, Janx, I have to confess that vegetarianism - despite all the sexy cook books and recipe stiff - is furging boring long-time.
I often ride past a big housing complex on the bike on weekend evenings, and I gotta say that the aroma of sizzling sausages and the steaks is pure torture for me!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on April 24, 2013, 10:18:26 PM
Ok ... This is going to wander way off topic...

Not gonna try to sway your wish for vegetarian diet / no harm to animals ... That's your choice and free will to change at any point... And I don't really know if you have a house and yard or flat/unit/apartment or what .. So the following may be useful or not.. Or parts of it useful.. I dunno

But you say steak and sausages hits you hard... So .. As a concept... Have you ever watched any of the "River Cottage" series .. British show .. Bloke used to be in the rat race in London 15 years ago?... Decided to escape to the country and simple/sustainable living .. And got involved with the tv somehow.... So it's been a long running thing with several permutations/twists/directions over the years...

Anyway ... He has tried normal diet, veg diet, only seafood and veg diet and a couple other fusions too ...

When he does eat pretty much any type of meat or seafood or veg/fruit ... It's all from what he has raised himself or grown .. Or traded for with similar type people .. Or wild harvest style thing

He keeps .. At times... Cows, sheep, goats, pigs, chickens, ducks, geese..... Catches heaps of different fish or collects shellfish ...

Everything is done sustainably and humanely ... With his own stock animals he often says that while the flavours are undeniably better ... He also feels more at peace with the world because he knows his animals/birds have been treated with kindness , fed well, kept in ideal 'as possible' conditions... So when it comes time to 'collect' the meats he sees it as more of a fair transaction..

Given a few years I intend to try and follow some or most of his methods... It's a bit hard to raise stock at a rental house though! ... So a paddock or so are required... Or at least for fowl a reasonable yard and no restrictive landlord!

There are groups around that do farmers markets too... And with a few questions you can often determine if there is meat available that has been 'responsibly treated' ...

Just on your torture by meat smells.... While your choice is veggie ... Your brain is still thinking meat? .. Given a opportunity to obtain 'cared about' meat would that salve your conscience ? ...

I know when I go to fruit market or supermarket ... Sometimes around the veg OR meat areas ... I smell a 'SMELL' ... My brain recognises that at some level , something producing that smell has something my body needs... Could be a mango, a plum, spinach , a pork chop , bacon , pumpkin or whatever... Even sometimes just a fresh herb.... I ALWAYS get something of that 'smell' .... And yeah sometimes people look at me funny.... Cos I will be walking along and stop! . ... Turn around and flare my nostrils to go hunting for the smell... Lean over the veg and sniff sniff sniff.. Till I find it... Must look a bit funny 'from the outside' .... But when I get it home.. Prepare it however needed and eat it... Often there is almost a little 'spung' noise in my head.... As brain ticks off the filled 'requirement' ...

Morals or willpower aside .. I just don't understand how many people deny themselves a little bit of something that is good for them food wise... It just causes extra stress...

This is all just 'trying to be objective' about things I hope  :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on April 24, 2013, 11:21:03 PM
Back on guns, I hope some raccoons move back into the neighborhood for mating season. I'm ready for them this year.

Be glad to freeze one and mail except you gotta clean it.

I think a 22 1000fps air gun should do the job. It is that or let my koi get eaten again.

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on April 25, 2013, 12:28:41 PM
Ah Racoons - glad the worst we get here is possums trying to eat the native wildlife - at least possums have trouble getting into things (brushtail possum for the American members who may be confused the idea of a possum trying to eat bird eggs etc - I am sure the Opossum can get into things like rubbish bins just like a Racoon)

Just really glad we never imported fun things like Tasmanian devils or Wombats.. EDIT Or the dangerous dropbear..

Am sure 1000 fps .22 air will do the job quite nicely at a short range  :cheers:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on April 26, 2013, 11:03:12 AM
I had a surprise today. Last night I was testing and calibrating the scopes on a couple toys that just arrived due to that evel Amazon on-click ordering and Prime shipping (In Seattle, some stuff comes same day since they are based here.).

Well, reading literature from airgundepot.com, I read how someone took down a small deer with 3 shots from an air gun. Har to believe. ......until this morning.

I went to check the backstop I used for last night's testing. 4 layers cardboard. A comforter doubled over. Then 3/4" plywood --- so I don't put pellets into the side of the Bike Cave.

Well, there ARE pellets in the side of the bike cave.  Some of those suckers went through all that - including the plywood - and lodged in the bike cave wall.

I had no idea a pellet could be that powerful. Makes Airsoft guns seem like whiffleball.

Raccoons: I'm ready for you!

Until then, I need to make a better back stop for target practice.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Badot on April 26, 2013, 03:49:46 PM
Makes Airsoft guns seem like whiffleball.

Yeah, but when you shoot your friends it's better to do it with a whiffleball than a pellet  :flipoff:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on April 26, 2013, 04:05:30 PM
I had a hell of a time trying to find some place local that would fill a CO2 tank or air tank for the Benjamin Marauder (a PCP gun).
Then I found the dive shop a couple blocks away can fill the 3000 psi Benjamin 72 cui tank for $5!. Now I can easily refill the rifle 6-8 times a tank fill. Getting another tank now.

Man - that gun at even 2000psi really shoots - like 1000 fps. Quiet, too and no recoil. Only sound is the pellet hidding the target.

The gun has a scuba tank adapter to refill it from that. The shop will have an abandoned tank May 1 I can get for a steal (someone left it there 6 months ago for hydro testing and never picked it up. Like a pawn shop - in 6 months it belongs to the shop and they can sell it.) So small tanks for on the road. Scuba tank for home practice or to do a partial refill of a small tank.

How about a gun/rifle rack for Suzi? Think that would be possible? Deer hunting on a DRZ-200? Scooter hunting? Cell phone user hunting? (that is too easy - every 3rd car is on the phone).

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on April 26, 2013, 04:48:32 PM
any paintball store/field will fill c02 tanks as well if their are any of those that are closer than the scuba shop.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on April 26, 2013, 04:53:38 PM
Addy .... Couple of old thick phone books ... Bit of duct tape binding ... Enclosed in a mil rate on its side maybe for keeping the books on their edge ? ... Target away! ... If you worried about leakage still then an off cut of MDF board behind the books... Its high count small fibres should help absorb any remaining power.... Plyboard is a bit .. Brittle?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Badot on April 26, 2013, 05:04:59 PM
Addy .... Couple of old thick phone books ... Bit of duct tape binding ... Enclosed in a mil rate on its side maybe for keeping the books on their edge ? ... Target away! ... If you worried about leakage still then an off cut of MDF board behind the books... Its high count small fibres should help absorb any remaining power.... Plyboard is a bit .. Brittle?

I typically use a cardboard box with a metal plate in it, then a bunch of old newspaper or books in front of the plate... Plate stops any of them from ever having a chance at getting through, and the paper will stop any bounce back. Box holds it all together nicely.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on April 26, 2013, 05:08:34 PM
From my post .. Mil rate? ... FFS iPad!!! milk crate! ... And yes ... Anything with many many layers of thin paper will do the trick...

If you were really keen you could also wet the paper layers.... But then it's an outdoor target only ... Too drippy!!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: oldmech on April 26, 2013, 05:51:35 PM
.22 caliber air rifle is pretty serious. some folks hunt with them for small game. should do the trick on your pesky raccoons!! get your self a few shoot and see targets. where you shoot changer colors. filled a ground hog full of pelets last year. he finally crawled off and died. and managed to knock a squirell off the fence post at 60 yards, little bugger was eating my rasberries! if all else fails 22 shorts in a bolt action can do the trick.subsonic and will do good with well placed shots..away from the bike cave. :D
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: noworries on April 26, 2013, 06:31:24 PM
Jazus Furgin H Krist..."he finally crawled off and died"...what is wrong with you Yanks!!!!!!! You'll get yours, mate......
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on April 27, 2013, 03:12:45 AM
.22 caliber air rifle is pretty serious. some folks hunt with them for small game. should do the trick on your pesky raccoons!! get your self a few shoot and see targets. where you shoot changer colors. filled a ground hog full of pellets last year.
Got the targets! Pretty cool. airgundepot or amazon is where I buy stuff. BOO! Amazon has the "same day delivery" for many things because they are based here in Seattle. I order WAY TOO MUCH stuff that way. Like going shopping only they deliver in a couple hours.

These are things are so quiet I am setting up a target range in the basement as well as outside. Got a lead on an "abandoned" scuba tank at a local shop for refilling the PCP rifle (Benjamin Marauder - sooooo cool!) Seems a kid left it for hydro testing. May 1 is 6 months so the shop will sell it to me.

I hate springer guns. So noisy and the spring vibrating affects accuracy. CO2 or PCP is nice - no recoil. Nitrogen cylinder break barrel is also cool. Over 1000fps but has a recoil.

Now exploring high speed CO2 pistols so I can jump out of bed at 5am to catch a raccoon really fast. Evenings sitting and waiting rifles will be good.

Some of those pellets in a 1000fps gun are really deadly. Then get the ones that say 20% faster and you're beyond the speed of sound. One is lead, tipped with a steel BB. WOW! Does that really hit hard. And accurate, too.

Pretty cool? Heh?

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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on April 27, 2013, 03:17:31 AM
Jazus Furgin H Krist..."he finally crawled off and died"...what is wrong with you Yanks!!!!!!! You'll get yours, mate......
If there is karma, who returns the bad karma to the raccoon that just ate my Koi or came into the house and made a mess of the cat food bowls?

in Seattle, raccoons are a pest. If trapped, they must be killed. So why not eliminate the unnecessary step of trapping them and just kill them outright? If you want a raccoon tail for your car antenna or two - one for each end of your handlebars - I'll see what I can do.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on April 27, 2013, 03:23:57 AM
any paintball store/field will fill c02 tanks as well if their are any of those that are closer than the scuba shop.
Gave up on CO2. Too far away (10 miles) Local dive shop a few minutes away will fill the Benjamin 72 cui air tanks to 3000 psi in a couple minutes for $5. Took one there today. he says CO2 is getting harder to find. High pressure air is easy.
Kind of surprised him with that small 72 cui 3000 psi aluminum tank. He thought that was cool. Should get 6 to 8 fills of the Benjamin Marauder from one tank. Cheaper than CO2 cylinders, though not as convenient.

There is a shooting range on Vashon Island. Looking into joining so I can take a ferry ride over. Ride. Shoot. Ride. Lunch. Ride. Wine tasting. Ferry ride home. What could be a better day?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: noworries on April 27, 2013, 04:41:00 AM
Nah, won't take up your kind offer, Adi, there's a better place for you to stick things.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Badot on April 27, 2013, 06:55:05 AM
There is a shooting range on Vashon Island. Looking into joining so I can take a ferry ride over. Ride. Shoot. Ride. Lunch. Ride. Wine tasting. Ferry ride home. What could be a better day?

And of course, you know we'll need pics once you get the gun rack on a bike  :D
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on April 30, 2013, 06:29:49 AM
Which is better?
Sig p229.  Or.  Glock 9mm ?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on April 30, 2013, 09:16:35 AM
Which is better?
Sig p229.  Or.  Glock 9mm ?

Which Glock? 19? 17?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HKKLbxT8VQ - Sig P229
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8-h7KqI5a8 - Glock 19
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Bluesmudge on April 30, 2013, 10:28:15 AM
I think I need some. I have all the GS500 parts I need. Time to start collecting something else.
Send any c/o the Bike Cave.  :icon_lol:

Ha! Uh oh, we are on to a new hobby now  :cookoo: Just make sure you kill those coons with the first shot. I hate the idea of using a gun that might not kill the animal outright.
The CT-110 I just sold had a rifle rack on the front forks. I used that to go target shooting with my 10/22 in the national forests.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on April 30, 2013, 11:02:12 AM
Or one of these
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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on April 30, 2013, 11:58:28 AM
Which is better?
Sig p229.  Or.  Glock 9mm ?

For casual shooting, I would go for the Glock 17.

Haven't used a 229 myself, the 226 is a superb 9mm. Since a 226 is the better part of almost $2500 here (new) compared to $800 (new) for a G17, most people go for the glock and it does the job just fine in the right hands.

I own a generation 1 glock 17, and my brother has a generation 2 which has had a little work done on polishing the innards - is quite respectable in terms of accuracy and feel compared to the 226 (just not as heavy as a 226 since the Glock is polymer and the 226 is not so much).  If you want something far more fun, my brother has a 1910 FN 9mm short - single stack mag, tiny little thing which is the most accurate little 9mm I have ever used (and anyone who ever uses it can't help grinning like a Cheshire cat after using it).
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on April 30, 2013, 12:03:44 PM
Yama: A 12/16 would be sweet! Tax refund came last night so send me one! (And the other thing with the round thingie for brass jewelry  :icon_lol: )

I like Sig over Glock only because I like all steel and added weight. Glocks seem like a toy with all the plastic.

(Oh, Glock 17 9mm with regular and extended mags for those that were asking)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on April 30, 2013, 12:07:11 PM
I think I need some. I have all the GS500 parts I need. Time to start collecting something else.
Send any c/o the Bike Cave.  :icon_lol:

Ha! Uh oh, we are on to a new hobby now  :cookoo: Just make sure you kill those coons with the first shot. I hate the idea of using a gun that might not kill the animal outright.
The CT-110 I just sold had a rifle rack on the front forks. I used that to go target shooting with my 10/22 in the national forests.
I'll start with an airsoft pistol just to piss them off. 20 rounds rapid fire shoudk scare them off.

If they return then I'll use the 1100 fps pellet rifle with hyper sonic pellets with the steel bead in the tip. Or the hollow pointed thingies.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on April 30, 2013, 12:17:03 PM
Yama: A 12/16 would be sweet! Tax refund came last night so send me one! (And the other thing with the round thingie for brass jewelry  :icon_lol: )

I like Sig over Glock only because I like all steel and added weight. Glocks seem like a toy with all the plastic.

(Oh, Glock 17 9mm with regular and extended mags for those that were asking)
still awaiting the rest of the shipment
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Badot on April 30, 2013, 12:23:01 PM
My personal opinion on handguns -- even though I haven't shot all too many real ones -- get the one that feels best in your hand, so long as the reliability and accuracy are decent. If your hand lands on the grip the same way every time, you'll be able to pull off some pretty crazy shots with it without thinking twice.

I do, however, have a ton of experience with airsoft handguns. I had an old Chinese Beretta m9 that I handmade grips for. It was a piece of crap with a hacksawed tightbore barrel crammed into it but I could outshoot all but one member of the ISPC club at the "real" gun range with it after they were laughing at it when I took it out to adjust the hopup. No one I played airsoft with believed me that it wasn't anything exceptional until I let them try it.

Of course, when someone asked me to sell it to them at a game and I refused it mysteriously went 'missing'. Maybe I can make another for a summer project this year. [/ramble]
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on April 30, 2013, 02:16:18 PM
I have a PT-92 blowback CO2 and a Sig P299 blowback CO2. Sig doesn't seem to have a safety.
Both are pretty accurate. 20 rounds rapid fire at 20 feet I'm not too bad. Raccoons should get a good dose of whomp ass from them.
What's good to see what a pellet will do? Maybe a piece of rabbit fur over a fresh chicken? I'd like to measure how different pellets perform in different "toys".
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on April 30, 2013, 02:17:04 PM
Of course, when someone asked me to sell it to them at a game and I refused it mysteriously went 'missing'. Maybe I can make another for a summer project this year. [/ramble]

Epic suck when your favourite toys go "missing" - I have had a few nice tools go missing over the years as well as test instruments..

We did have the local popo leave a Glock at the range a few years back - gave them a lot of grief for that..  :2guns: they did get it back however..
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Badot on April 30, 2013, 03:51:28 PM
Epic suck when your favourite toys go "missing" - I have had a few nice tools go missing over the years as well as test instruments..

Yep, especially when they're your favorite for reasons other than monetary value. Won't even get into that here though.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on April 30, 2013, 03:59:17 PM
had my second goped stolen like this. guy says ( after asking to ride, i decline, then says you may find it gone one of these days. i pulled out my phone, said aint it a Buddha Loves You when i hit the record button, you best hope it stays in my posession. anyhoo it was stolen by someone else. i play the recording, he was innocent surprisingly. but they did find the makings of a methlab in his shed HE invited them to search.  lol
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on April 30, 2013, 04:42:25 PM
Lol that's good stuff there Yamma
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on April 30, 2013, 07:24:02 PM
Lack of recoil makes a substantial difference in your ability to shoot. Also, some people are better with certain guns than others - particularly sights I suppose.

Took a friend shooting last year - he punched ragged holes in the bullseye with a gun (S&W Sigma .40) I did good to get 2/10 in the bullseye with. Switched to a 1911 and he couldn't shoot it for poop while I hit bullseyes every time.

I'm also better with revolvers for some reason - possibly the sights. I can shoot my .357 and .44 much better than I can any auto.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on May 01, 2013, 01:27:10 PM
I kinda like revolvers as well. simple and very few moving parts.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: oldmech on May 01, 2013, 04:20:29 PM
mostly i like long guns better. with most handguns i have owned, i had a better chance of hitting my arse with both my hands then being able to shoot them. with one exception. had a ruger bisley hunter in 44 mag. loaded with the right powder and 240 gain xtps it was deadly acurate and a pleasure to shoot. let the air out off a few deer with that one. ;)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on May 01, 2013, 05:25:52 PM
I guess my pellet guns will seem like toys after today. Had fun.
An airsoft is definitely a toy - even to a pellet gun.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: oldmech on May 01, 2013, 05:32:26 PM
does not matter if you are shooting critters with a pellet gun or a jd jones hand cannon. dead is dead. its all about accuracy and having fun! :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on May 01, 2013, 09:31:01 PM
I was trying to make a small funny. Also to say I had fun with big things today.

Here's irony: the shooting range is next to a high school and a grade school! And down the street from the police station and court house.

Next time I plan to try a 1200 fps pellet rifle with scope to see how accurate it is.

First time with a .223 - that was fun. Did hit some bulls eyes at 50 and 100 yards. No scope on it.

PS: It it about time to add some cats to this thread?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: oldmech on May 02, 2013, 05:38:47 PM
good for you being able to hit the bulls eye at 50 and 100 with open sights. my eyes went 20 years ago and need all scopes now.
not a cat picture but will have to do till someone posts one. sure you will supply one quick. :D as a lady told me today on his walk he is very handsome.

(http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w438/troutmaster65/IMGP7206.jpg) (http://s1075.photobucket.com/user/troutmaster65/media/IMGP7206.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on May 02, 2013, 08:13:56 PM
That's one funny looking cat!  :dunno_black:

I set up a decent target spot behind the Bike Cave. Bought a bullet trap for 22's figuring it would be strong enough for premium pellets at hypervelocity. It is. Added car stick on sound deadening on the outside to keep it from ringing like a gong.

I think my favorite (which can be used at home) is the Benjamin Marauder .22 pellet rifle. 10 round magazine bolt action. Extremely quiet. Virtually no recoil.
Good scope and I can did a 3" circle at 25 yards. Very quiet rifle.

I am anxious to take it to a real range and properly calibrate the scope then see how it does at 50 yards. Some of the premium pellets are supposed to let the 1000 fps fire them at up to 1350 fps. That would be an interesting thing to do: compare pellets in a controlled back yard environment. See which ones go through 1/2" plywood or are more accurate.

What's good for testing penetration and expansion of hollow points? Buy a chicken at the grocery store?

I saw a listing for an automatic pellet gun! Electric trigger. Shoots magazines of 12 I think. That could be cool against a raccoon. $1700 is a but expensive for a pellet gun.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on May 02, 2013, 08:15:39 PM
ballistics gel.... just like in mythbusters!!  :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on May 02, 2013, 08:22:30 PM
What's good for testing penetration and expansion of hollow points? Buy a chicken at the grocery store?

Ballistic gel or putty can give you some reasonably good results with testing projectiles. failing that, modelling clay may work for a lower velocity projectile.

Wood is not recommended - just too hard to get consistent results.

EDIT: The Chicken IS recommended if you have a .30+ cal... and a good hollow point...
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on May 02, 2013, 08:23:29 PM
ballistics gel.... just like in mythbusters!!  :thumb:

Those guys are kind of wacko. Many of their test have flaws and do not take into consideration reality. They like to do things fast and cheap for the TV impact. I'd say 25% of the time they are wrong. And they are so annoying!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on May 02, 2013, 10:18:24 PM
I have a feeling you'd enjoy my .17HMR rifle, Adidas.

Ridiculously loud. Very heavy gun. All stainless with a thumbole stock like this:

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(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c70/animefan73/IMG_0326-1.jpg)

Zero recoil. Supreme accuracy. Shoots sub-MOA groups at 100yds (that's <1" circle at 100yds). The best I could get was a 19mm grouping out of a bench rest.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on May 02, 2013, 10:29:26 PM
I have a feeling you'd enjoy my .17HMR rifle, Adidas.

Ridiculously loud. Very heavy gun. All stainless with a thumbole stock like this:

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(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c70/animefan73/IMG_0326-1.jpg)

Zero recoil. Supreme accuracy. Shoots sub-MOA groups at 100yds (that's <1" circle at 100yds). The best I could get was a 19mm grouping out of a bench rest.

if you handload Kij, ... play with your powder type and amount a little more... higher or lower amount ... and .1 of a grain can count! .. for a .17 cal... regardless of HMR, Remington, fireball etc .. you should be able to get sub half inch groups at 100 yards! , almost a tack driver those things are.. and even more so with your bull barrel

believe or not .. just like Mr Ripley! , my old man used to do a lot of fox shooting in the 70's and 80's with a 17 Rem... when skin prices were $30-40 each .. out to 300 yards .. in between the eyes or at least within skull EVERY time .. you GOTTA GOTTA clean the barrel every 20 shots or accuracy goes awol... but i reckon you can achieve better with your HMR!!  :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on May 02, 2013, 10:44:13 PM
I have a feeling you'd enjoy my .17HMR rifle, Adidas.

Ridiculously loud. Very heavy gun. All stainless with a thumbole stock like this:

(click for bigger)
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c70/animefan73/IMG_0326-1.jpg)

Zero recoil. Supreme accuracy. Shoots sub-MOA groups at 100yds (that's <1" circle at 100yds). The best I could get was a 19mm grouping out of a bench rest.

if you handload Kij, ... play with your powder type and amount a little more... higher or lower amount ... and .1 of a grain can count! .. for a .17 cal... regardless of HMR, Remington, fireball etc .. you should be able to get sub half inch groups at 100 yards! , almost a tack driver those things are.. and even more so with your bull barrel

believe or not .. just like Mr Ripley! , my old man used to do a lot of fox shooting in the 70's and 80's with a 17 Rem... when skin prices were $30-40 each .. out to 300 yards .. in between the eyes or at least within skull EVERY time .. you GOTTA GOTTA clean the barrel every 20 shots or accuracy goes awol... but i reckon you can achieve better with your HMR!!  :thumb:

Kind of hard to handload rimfire ammunition...  :technical: :technical: :technical:

I've found that 50rds is about the max before copper solvent is needed. I also found that this rifle likes the heavier 20gr bullets versus the lighter 15 and 17gr bullets.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on May 02, 2013, 10:47:58 PM
Anyone put a gun rack on a GS500?
Is there such thing as a red-neck GS500?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on May 02, 2013, 10:51:41 PM
ooops  :oops:

sorry Kij, its been so long since i paid attention to rifle stuff.. forgot what it was..  :icon_rolleyes:

however.... the cleaning... i know its a pain in the butt... but just a normal clean 20-25 rounds should improve the accuracy a little... or at least minimise the 'opening up' ... its such a tiny little bore/bullet! ... then again .. any .22 rimfire i have ever owned in the past ... cleaned it maybe every 200 rounds... and then it would regain accuracy.. AFTER about 5 shots!?... so yeah rimfire is different behaviours ..  :dunno_black:

barrel floated and bedded?...

not knocking your unit at ALL!!!.. looks like a schweet little piece .. just the benchrest figures surprised me a little ... sorry
 :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on May 02, 2013, 10:53:54 PM
Anyone put a gun rack on a GS500?
Is there such thing as a red-neck GS500?
I think I saw one of our members with one?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on May 02, 2013, 11:08:49 PM
I think I'm part way there to that gun.
The scope looks familiar. I haven't put it on anything yet (obviously).


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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on May 03, 2013, 12:41:50 AM
OK, what happened to the air gun business?
Seems sites say that as of Jan 4, 2013 they no longer sell fully automatic pellet guns.
What law caused this?
Where can I get one now? Enavix made some nice ones.

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on May 03, 2013, 06:07:46 AM
I think I'm part way there to that gun.
The scope looks familiar. I haven't put it on anything yet (obviously).

Sorry, should've clarified that that isn't my rifle. Just one exactly like mine. I have a Simmons 44MAG scope on mine. Otherwise identical.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on May 03, 2013, 10:16:45 AM
It amazes me how some high end air rifles/ airsoft guns are more expensive than similar guns that are real  :cookoo: Girlfriend and I at the range a few weeks ago.

(http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o585/kyled25/305916_359614324149969_66870054_n_zps025959d0.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on May 03, 2013, 11:58:07 AM
So anybody know the answer regarding Jan 4 and fully automatic air guns? Did our f%$king government ban toys out of stupid fear of one crazy person? Like you're going to take down a bazillion people with a BB gun that shoots only 8 to 12 rounds at a time? The air only lasts for 40 to 50?

anyone know what law took place Jan 4?


Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Badot on May 03, 2013, 02:31:27 PM
No idea why full auto airguns wouldn't be legal as I'm finding some online with no mention of Jan. 4. May be something on the part of Evanix and not the US gov't

Wasn't Jan 4 around the time they were trying to get assault weapons banned? I miss my .22lr cartridges.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: bill14224 on May 03, 2013, 02:55:02 PM
I support the second amendment but I don't think it's a good idea for gun owners to advertise what they have outside their circle of trusted friends, unless they're a gun dealer.  Putting a list of all your hardware on the internet is far from the wisest thing you can do, especially these days, IMHO.  No matter how careful you are they can find you through your ISP.  Best of luck to you all and God Bless America.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on May 03, 2013, 04:37:19 PM
I support the second amendment but I don't think it's a good idea for gun owners to advertise what they have outside their circle of trusted friends, unless they're a gun dealer.  Putting a list of all your hardware on the internet is far from the wisest thing you can do, especially these days, IMHO.  No matter how careful you are they can find you through your ISP.  Best of luck to you all and God Bless America.

When you purchase a gun from an FFL dealer you are required by law to pass a NICS and fill out form 4473. I don't believe the form is turned over the the gov't, but BATF can request/inquire on firearm transactions whenever they like and get your social security #, address, etc. from the dealer. This would be the route the gov't would take to find out "who has what", not scouring message forums filled with liars, idiots, and jerkoffs. Unless were talking about illegal weapons in which case you'd have retarded to talk about owning online.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on May 03, 2013, 04:52:26 PM
dont think he meant the govt track the owners down... more like the criminals can...

case about 10 months ago in Australia... fella took a 'brag picture' with his phone of his tidy little collection... and posted it up somewhere... forgot or didnt realise that a lot of phone pictures can have a 'location code' embedded in them... crims knew what to do to get that info out... broke into his house... nicked his collection and made a hell of a mess in the process ..

just sayin  :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on May 03, 2013, 05:23:43 PM
ohhh, gotcha. Well that's unfortunate.  :mad: Hope he had insurance on his guns!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on May 05, 2013, 09:26:00 PM
Relieving stress.
25 yards with air gun. 16 shots. Not too bad, I guess.


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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on May 06, 2013, 06:31:31 AM
Relieving stress.
25 yards with air gun. 16 shots. Not too bad, I guess.

Looks good  :thumb: What you shooting out of it?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on May 06, 2013, 10:51:58 AM
Relieving stress.
25 yards with air gun. 16 shots. Not too bad, I guess.

Looks good  :thumb: What you shooting out of it?
Hammerli 850 Co2 AirMagnum Air Rifle- .177 Cal 754 fps
Stoeger X-Speed Extreme Velocity Domed Lead-Free Alloy Dome Pellet .177 cal 25% Faster
And a nice 3x9-40mm scope
I need to go to a 50 yard range and try to dial in the scope better. Most I can go at home is 30+ yards
Gun uses 88g cylinders so pretty quiet. Like with my bikes, I don't like loud things.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: oldmech on May 06, 2013, 04:57:45 PM
nice grouping on the target. if you want to see it shrink more and are adventurous, drop the trigger group out of your gun and hone the sear a bit to smooth it out. not too remove much material . just take out the rough casting marks. always did this with every new gun a bought since the triggers where crap. got 5 shot groups at 100 yards to go from 2 inches down to 1/2 inch. it will make your shooting more enjoyable than it already is.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on May 06, 2013, 05:11:37 PM
nice grouping on the target. if you want to see it shrink more and are adventurous, drop the trigger group out of your gun and hone the sear a bit to smooth it out.

Definitely agree with this - new firearms (unless you pay ridiculous money) are never polished properly - helped a mate polish up a .308 BAR recently - made a huge difference to A) semi auto actually working (feeding properly) and B) much tighter groups with a smoother trigger.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Badot on May 06, 2013, 07:39:04 PM
I would suggest lead pellets for accuracy. In my experience they tend to form a better seal, have a more consistent velocity, and are more stable in flight (probably something with velocity discrepancy vs rifling rate).

And in case you haven't figured it out yet, like any low velocity long barreled weapon, your and the gun's motions right after the trigger pull are very important for accuracy. Letting it and you take the 'recoil' the same way every time will help dramatically.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on May 06, 2013, 10:43:24 PM
You need to try a range of pellets for maximum accuracy. Just like any other gun, twist rate in the rifle has a huge impact.

Case and point, the Savage 93R17 prefers 20gr bullets.15gr and 17gr bullets tend to over-stabilize and keyhole or worse.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on May 06, 2013, 11:08:46 PM
or to put it another way .. what this bloke says!! http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifling_twist_rate.htm

ok he's talking about mostly high velocities and centrefire rifles... but it still holds for any projectile out of a rifled barrel
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on May 06, 2013, 11:40:21 PM
The better air guns are rifled, though I don't think they always say the amount.
The 850 is rifled. SOme day I'll run some test to see which pellets give the best accuracy. Along with that I'd like to know the speed and impact force. More toys to buy?

Should I buy a lead sled? if so, suggestions? Make one? I only want to fire a magazine of 8 or 10 of the same pellet and see the spread. They try another pellet.

No raccoons yet. Not even any birds in the area. Weird! I don't shoot at birds - just my target (A steel 22 bullet trap - works great for pellets).

Amazing stress reliever.

For checking approximate speed and/or penetration, would a thick stack of cardboards work? I have lots of old corrugated cardboard that can be stacked up. Fire into it and see how many sheets it goes through before stopping.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on May 07, 2013, 12:08:43 AM
The better air guns are rifled, though I don't think they always say the amount.
The 850 is rifled. SOme day I'll run some test to see which pellets give the best accuracy. Along with that I'd like to know the speed and impact force. More toys to buy?

Should I buy a lead sled? if so, suggestions? Make one? I only want to fire a magazine of 8 or 10 of the same pellet and see the spread. They try another pellet.

No raccoons yet. Not even any birds in the area. Weird! I don't shoot at birds - just my target (A steel 22 bullet trap - works great for pellets).

Amazing stress reliever.

For checking approximate speed and/or penetration, would a thick stack of cardboards work? I have lots of old corrugated cardboard that can be stacked up. Fire into it and see how many sheets it goes through before stopping.

A good rest/clamp is one of the best investments you can make in the world of firearms and particularly rifles that you plan to have scopes on. It makes things so much easier.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on May 07, 2013, 01:04:27 AM
cardboard .. yeah its a pretty rough guide though... the fluctuations in penetration depending on how many voids/ribs the pellet passes through till it stops.... and a flat tip target pellet will vary from a pointed 'hunting' pellet... or those ball bearing tipped ones you mentioned will be different again...

as for speed... given a 'full' charge each time... there wont be TOO much variation in the speed of the pellets.. they are only varying in initial weight by a couple of gn's .. .... i know its different.. but for example ..

 i used to have a .220 swift .. happened that the best accuracy was from a 52gn speer hollowpoint at a chronographed 4023 fps ... which is f*&%kin quick! ... pretty close to a max load.. well half a grain of powder away... i also loaded 50gn  hornady spitzers with same charge of powder and 55gn sierra blitzking with same charge of powder ... not really recommended to heavy up bullet weight with the upper end of speed but i knew i had a safety buffer from a reloading manual..

anyway .. the 50gn-ers gave me 4045 fps ... and the 55gn ers gave me 3998 fps .. (all the fps figures are the averaged speeds over 10 shots BUT with the weighed handloads i was using the variance between each shot of same bullet weight was less than 3 fps iirc)

thats right at the other end of the speed scale for your purposes... and again iirc the faster you go the bigger the variance with different weights...

i used one of these http://www.amazon.com/Shooting-Chrony-F-1-Chronograph-green/dp/B001BR3364 .. in an earlier incarnation ... really simple... really tough ... probably one of the best for the 'occasional tester' .. you can spend a hell of a lot more for a bit more accuracy .. but these ARE good...

the lead sled.... hmmm wouldnt necessarily buy one.. though they do look good... probably the simplest form of that is just a couple of leather or maybe denim 'bags' about house brick size mebbe one a bit larger/taller and one a bit flatter/smaller ... fill them with lead shot .. oh hang on... in the pics of the leadsleds from the big companies... you see the bag/weight that they put in the bottom section usually?.... one or a couple of them .. or if you want more than bags.. rustle around in a place that might have some old lab equipment stands... nice sturdy 'tripod' feet of heavy steel/iron... some 4" C section steel... bit of welding and grinding and painting... bingo homemade sled.. or lash out and get the full monty!!

what i have always done is .... get your table... get your seat .. get your bags .. forestock nestles into front bag .. the heel of the butt nestles into the rear bag ... and away you go... bush style benchrest ... all you really want to do is stabilise the overall stock while you are checking groups.. minimise the muscle movement effect that most people input as they simply squeeze the trigger..

it being you Addy .. i suppose you could go out and get the fancy gear  ;) ... but simplicity will suffice!

and i remember seeing  in this thread ... honing the sears on the trigger/mechanism.. yes its good!... but be very slow and precise as you do it... its a fine line between smoothing and causing a slip fault..

on most standard rifles the trigger pull will be around 6-8 lbs .. with some neat work you can drop that to 3 or 4 ... a mate of mine that shoots 1000yds target competitions has his down to 2 lbs... that being the lower limit allowed for that comp... ANOTHER mate was so impressed with the light weight that he decided to hone/lighten his trigger too which he muffed up  ... in his .375 H&H Magnum ... which eventually resulted in the damn thing firing as he closed the bolt quickly while we were on a walk to look for feral pigs... lucky he had it at port arms and the 250gn bullet went whistling off into about 25,000 acres of bush/farmland that we knew was lacking people .. working it out later it could have landed about 4-5 miles away .. yes that an extreme case ... and a big bullet... but even a little airgun pellet could tag someone or something if a triggerjob was overdone... so approach carefully!  :thumb: ... sidenote again... some competition air pistols and rifles have trigger weights in the 1.1 lbs range... that is so light... you can just 'tippy touch' the trigger and ping away it goes...  :icon_eek:

whats that you say??... enough of my blather?! .. lol... ok then  :cheers:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on May 07, 2013, 02:29:05 AM
Another way to measure speed would be to record it.
In Vegas Video or Sound Forge measure the time from the gun fire to the plink of it hitting the target. Do some math. Should be pretty close. My camera will record slow motion. 1/6 speed as I recall. Should be able to catch a pellet passing in front of a graph paper.

Not as simple as the device that directly reads the speed but it is free.

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on May 07, 2013, 04:48:49 PM
1/6th speed?... with 1000fps?.... nah! ... nup!... doubt it...  :icon_question: .... think you'd need something on the order of 1/100? minimum?

awesome idea though!! .
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on May 07, 2013, 05:41:40 PM
1/6th speed?... with 1000fps?.... nah! ... nup!... doubt it...  :icon_question: .... think you'd need something on the order of 1/100? minimum?

awesome idea though!! .
Maybe not catch on video, though a slow 600 fps pellet woudl be interesting to try. I can still catch the sound and accurately measure the time between firing and hitting.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on May 07, 2013, 06:13:34 PM
this is true..

... another thought... you mentioned recently that you went to a range.... i bet they nearly have to have a chronograph there somewhere?... either company one or a member of the range?...

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on May 07, 2013, 09:32:29 PM
I just ordered a magnetic stick on laser to align the scope. When I do that, it will be fun to take to the range and really check for range and accuracy.

Got in some 12" splatter targets.

I think the air gun can go 25 yards with no problem. 50 yards probably will depend on what pellets it likes best. I honestly doubt an air gun can go 100 yards.

Has anyone had luck with an air gun at 100 yards? I'm talking about a .177 and a .22 rated at over 1000 fps. High velocity pellets can up that supposedly by 25% but then it is a lighter pellet so maybe distance will fall off.

Do any of you have suggestions for the best pellets? I have a small assortment. I haven't done any bench trials for accuracy or penetration yet. It has been too nice so I have been riding more. Thumper got a nice workout today!

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on May 08, 2013, 01:07:20 AM
Well after a 4 month wait imam finally a licensed firearm owner once more
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on May 08, 2013, 01:23:18 AM
 :icon_eek:


 :flipoff:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: oldmech on May 08, 2013, 03:41:33 AM
you where talking about being able to check your velocity of the pellets you where shooting. check out this site. they work great. if you call them you can get refurded unit cheaper..if they have any.

http://www.shootingchrony.com/

as far as shooting and air pellet 100 yards..yea you could probably do it. but it is such a light weight that a fly fart would nock it off course.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on May 08, 2013, 09:40:00 PM
nice grouping on the target. if you want to see it shrink more and are adventurous, drop the trigger group out of your gun and hone the sear a bit to smooth it out.

Definitely agree with this - new firearms (unless you pay ridiculous money) are never polished properly - helped a mate polish up a .308 BAR recently - made a huge difference to A) semi auto actually working (feeding properly) and B) much tighter groups with a smoother trigger.
yup i do this on all of my weapons. polish the ramps, the triggers etc. jsut remember you cal always take material off. but cannot add it back on if you take too much.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on May 08, 2013, 10:20:11 PM
back in the olden days when we were allowed semi auto's over here.... and speaking of making things smooth and slippy

20 years ago a mate had a mini 14 ruger rancher  iirc ... at the time we also had an IPSC competition time unit which could count/time number of shots fired ..

he had modified his mechanism to hold and spray (full auto) ... so we ran a 20shot clip through it... took 2.7 seconds .. again iirc ..

we sprayed all the moving bits with teflon spray ... 2.05 seconds iirc

we were somewhat impressed, but like the mythbusters we wanted more....

another mate worked at a industrial type lab ... and had the equipment to bond a very fine layer of teflon onto the disassembled moving parts... (took a few weeks to get it all back together) ...

20 shot clip .. 1.73 seconds .. at which point he decided it was getting expensive for ammo...  :icon_lol:

he also later had a suppressor fitted to it .. he was a bit of a knob head ... and occasionally would drag the whole thing out into his suburban backyard ... and let a clip loose into his lawn ...  :icon_rolleyes: .. and gloat that the neighbours didnt even know it...

till he forgot where his water/power lines were that led to his man cave/shed .. and blew them both out... only about 4" under the grass ... cos he did them himself...

i dont go visit him any more .. not for about 17 years ... he put all his fences up to 7 feet ... has cctv surrounding his property .. you had to ring his house phone in a certain sequence/number of rings/number of calls .. before you turned up... and were only allowed to be in the front foyer room or around side of house to shed...

he kinda was a prepper .. but without all the wilderness and supplies...  :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on May 08, 2013, 10:31:56 PM
he get raped by mythical drop bears?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on May 09, 2013, 12:18:27 AM
Nah.... He just went weird.... After his overall public persona deteriorated beyond my level of feeling comfortable... And that's usually a fair bit... I asked around a few other common mates.... They said he been going downhill for long time... And there had been help offered/suggested ... But always refused....

He wasn't a nutjob ... Just went very... Hmmm .. Closed in? ..... Far as I know he has never gone postal ... And doesn't have all those toys anymore.... His family had to leave though.... Eventually they just couldn't handle the ever changing rules..... Never any physical or active verbal abuse afaik either... He went virtually Hermit in the burbs ... Despite my initial concern and subsequent inquiry it's just better to stay away .... Still see him on the street every now and then.. And will nod/wave and say hi, but any approach sends him all agitated and hurtling back to the car and home....

If it was the Simpsons I'd put him as the love child of Crazy Cat Lady and Grandpa ...

Left alone he is content.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on May 09, 2013, 07:48:21 AM
The better air guns are rifled, though I don't think they always say the amount.
The 850 is rifled. SOme day I'll run some test to see which pellets give the best accuracy. Along with that I'd like to know the speed and impact force. More toys to buy?

Should I buy a lead sled? if so, suggestions? Make one? I only want to fire a magazine of 8 or 10 of the same pellet and see the spread. They try another pellet.

No raccoons yet. Not even any birds in the area. Weird! I don't shoot at birds - just my target (A steel 22 bullet trap - works great for pellets).

Amazing stress reliever.

For checking approximate speed and/or penetration, would a thick stack of cardboards work? I have lots of old corrugated cardboard that can be stacked up. Fire into it and see how many sheets it goes through before stopping.
watermelons or squash or melons of any kind. similar sans bone to hte human body. shoot it with a 9mm or whatnot, youll see how hte projectile would act on human body. upon entry, and if not hitting a bone, youd see the exit spread. ( or you can insert rebar into watermelon then shoot it. ( simulates bones ribs etc
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on May 09, 2013, 02:14:54 PM
 :whisper: Yama ... He needs to check penetration levels on raccoons and critters .... Not people ..  :whisper: ...

 :confused: at least I hope not people! ..  ;)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on May 09, 2013, 02:59:18 PM
Go to store.
Buy a fresh chicken
Wrap in rabbit fur to simulate a raccoon or use a raccoon or badger skin if available
Target practice
Hang target in alley while target practicing with a drive by on a GS500
Have a beer
bar-b-q chicken
Take notes of where the pellets were found (and which pellet type)  while eating said chicken.

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on May 09, 2013, 03:56:19 PM
drive by? .... where pellets were found? ...  :icon_rolleyes:

did you by chance see anyone like this around?

(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20071228215636/csi/images/9/9d/Csi_team.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: oldmech on May 09, 2013, 05:19:13 PM
LOL good one janx!
seriously.. Adidas guy if you take away what the raccoons are going for. trash cans cat food etc. you wont have to go thru all this bs to shoot them.unless of course its a good stress relief. then go on.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on May 09, 2013, 05:39:05 PM
I will not get rid of my Koi pond.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on May 09, 2013, 05:44:34 PM
i think the little buggers are after his koi fish in a pond?!.. (took so long to find suitable videos that addy already mentioned the koi)

i did have another thought on solving that problem too..




but if you really want them terminated...

 
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: bill14224 on May 10, 2013, 04:07:52 PM

When you purchase a gun from an FFL dealer you are required by law to pass a NICS and fill out form 4473. I don't believe the form is turned over the the gov't, but BATF can request/inquire on firearm transactions whenever they like and get your social security #, address, etc. from the dealer. This would be the route the gov't would take to find out "who has what", not scouring message forums filled with liars, idiots, and jerkoffs. Unless were talking about illegal weapons in which case you'd have retarded to talk about owning online.
[/quote]

Janx is onto what I was referring to.  Criminals scour the internet, as does the press. (what's the difference these days?)  You don't have to read every forum.  Software can do it for you.  I would not put ANYTHING on the internet unless I don't care if the whole world knows it.  Word to the wise.  May your powder always be dry and may you always shoot straight.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on May 10, 2013, 05:56:19 PM

When you purchase a gun from an FFL dealer you are required by law to pass a NICS and fill out form 4473. I don't believe the form is turned over the the gov't, but BATF can request/inquire on firearm transactions whenever they like and get your social security #, address, etc. from the dealer. This would be the route the gov't would take to find out "who has what", not scouring message forums filled with liars, idiots, and jerkoffs. Unless were talking about illegal weapons in which case you'd have retarded to talk about owning online.

Janx is onto what I was referring to.  Criminals scour the internet, as does the press. (what's the difference these days?)  You don't have to read every forum.  Software can do it for you.  I would not put ANYTHING on the internet unless I don't care if the whole world knows it.  Word to the wise.  May your powder always be dry and may you always shoot straight.
[/quote]yup i passed ncic (4473) inabout 4 minutes
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on May 10, 2013, 06:26:36 PM
I would not put ANYTHING on the internet unless I don't care if the whole world knows it.  Word to the wise.
(http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o585/kyled25/Untitled_zps7ddb4e0a.jpg)Tell me I'm not right
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: makenzie71 on May 10, 2013, 06:28:10 PM
I don't like to list everything I got, but I got a few.  The bottom two here are my latest acquisitions:

(http://i.imgur.com/9KqBHxC.jpg)

The bottom most is a .22 bullpup I whipped up from scratch using a Mossberg 702 at the heart.  A very, very fun project.

The middle is a Mossberg 715T.  I bought it on a whim but it hasn't piqued my interest as much as the bullpups....it's for sale if anyone is interested.  Comes with an assortment of extras.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: makenzie71 on May 10, 2013, 06:30:27 PM
  I would not put ANYTHING on the internet unless I don't care if the whole world knows it.  Word to the wise. 

(http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o585/kyled25/Untitled_zps7ddb4e0a.jpg)Tell me I'm not right

Burn.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on May 11, 2013, 03:27:04 PM
  I would not put ANYTHING on the internet unless I don't care if the whole world knows it.  Word to the wise. 

(http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o585/kyled25/Untitled_zps7ddb4e0a.jpg)Tell me I'm not right

Burn.
(http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o585/kyled25/doubleburn_zpsd8c62b44.png)Double burn, but in your defense it took 15 mins to find you instead of the 5 mins for Bill. But seriously, you guys all need better security. If you want to know how I found you PM me and I'll tell you so you can change some stuff.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: makenzie71 on May 11, 2013, 03:40:18 PM
I don't care how you found me lol.  I'm not hiding.  You can find my real name and phone number and  a few of my previous addresses and some employers I think by googling my username.

Now, if you really want to impress me you would tell me where the body is.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on May 11, 2013, 03:49:54 PM
WAAAY too much desert for that   :o
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Roxtar on May 11, 2013, 05:40:11 PM
Winchester SXP camp/field combo (18" and 28" barrels)... pump action 12 gauge
just bought a Springfield Armory XDm .40 compact off of gunbroker, so that should be showing up in a week or 2.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: pliskin on May 11, 2013, 07:09:14 PM
Kyled most likely found the address by doing a look-up on a photo's GPS cords. Photos taken from most phones today have GPS cords "stamped" into the digital image unless you turn off that feature on the phone. Most people don't bother turning it off.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on May 11, 2013, 11:11:38 PM
Kyled most likely found the address by doing a look-up on a photo's GPS cords. Photos taken from most phones today have GPS cords "stamped" into the digital image unless you turn off that feature on the phone. Most people don't bother turning it off.

Photos, and like makenzie71 said "googling username", because most people reuse the same username on multiple websites. A city and state in a post here, a full name in a post there, a few forum bios, and use of the white pages and you can find out where most people live. I'm sure my post came off as "look how smart I am", but I'm not trying to impress anyone. Everything I found was public domain. Most forum posts you make are indexed in search engines. It doesn't matter if your hiding on the internet or not; we all have jobs and can't protect our loved ones at all times. Do you really want some weirdo knowing what your wife looks like and where she works, or what your children look like and where they go to school? Give regions of a country instead of an exact city. Don't have your signature for a forum have your full name.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on May 11, 2013, 11:34:28 PM
Kyled most likely found the address by doing a look-up on a photo's GPS cords. Photos taken from most phones today have GPS cords "stamped" into the digital image unless you turn off that feature on the phone. Most people don't bother turning it off.

Photos, and like makenzie71 said "googling username", because most people reuse the same username on multiple websites. A city and state in a post here, a full name in a post there, a few forum bios, and use of the white pages and you can find out where most people live. I'm sure my post came off as "look how smart I am", but I'm not trying to impress anyone. Everything I found was public domain. Most forum posts you make are indexed in search engines. It doesn't matter if your hiding on the internet or not; we all have jobs and can't protect our loved ones at all times. Do you really want some weirdo knowing what your wife looks like and where she works, or what your children look like and where they go to school? Give regions of a country instead of an exact city. Don't have your signature for a forum have your full name.
well said
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: noworries on May 12, 2013, 04:00:11 AM
Then there's my newly married chum at work who was so thrilled to get the first letter addressed to her new married name that she put a pic of the envelope up on face book.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on May 12, 2013, 08:18:30 AM
Then there's my newly married chum at work who was so thrilled to get the first letter addressed to her new married name that she put a pic of the envelope up on face book.

Oh yeah, set your privacy settings to "friends only", turn off the option for search engines to link to your timeline, and turn off the ability for someone to find you by email address or phone number. Damn facebook
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on May 12, 2013, 08:39:13 AM
www.whitepages.com (http://www.whitepages.com)  You can create an account with them and then choose to hide your white pages entry from the public, thanks yama
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on May 13, 2013, 11:52:59 AM
I always thought things like the Geneva Convention where you don't fire on medics or hospitals made war seem more like a game rather than a war. I think MASH got me thinking about this a long time ago. If you don't kill them outright, then give them time to recover so you can shoot at them again. MASH had lots of episodes about this and guys not wanting to go back after being patched up.

I read this while looking up terms like "JHP"

The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III, prohibited the use in international warfare of bullets that easily expand or flatten in the body.[3] This is often incorrectly believed to be prohibited in the Geneva Conventions, but it significantly predates those conventions, and is in fact a continuance of the St. Petersburg Declaration of 1868, which banned exploding projectiles of less than 400 grams, as well as weapons designed to aggravate injured soldiers or make their death inevitable. NATO members do not use small arms ammunition that is prohibited by the Hague Convention.

I think that shows that our governments want war to be a game where they can shoot and know that the enemy will not be allowed to shoot stuff at them that would get them killed.

Am I alone in seeing that this seems a little odd?

Remember the Star Trek episode where people were chosen to go to execution buildings because the 2 governments were carrying out an electronic war. Kirk though that was cruel. The civilizations said it was more humane because real war would cause lots of damage. There was more to the story, but maybe it was a parody on the rules of engagement?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on May 13, 2013, 03:30:24 PM
hmmm weird, b/c the m203 shoots 40mm grenades that weigh less than 400 grams. It's also important to note the year 1899... no one was using body armor back then. JHP will do more damage to an unprotected target, but for armored targets you need FMJ preferably armor piercing w/ a steel penetrator to even wound someone.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on May 13, 2013, 04:02:46 PM
I always thought things like the Geneva Convention where you don't fire on medics or hospitals made war seem more like a game rather than a war. I think MASH got me thinking about this a long time ago. If you don't kill them outright, then give them time to recover so you can shoot at them again. MASH had lots of episodes about this and guys not wanting to go back after being patched up.

I read this while looking up terms like "JHP"

The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III, prohibited the use in international warfare of bullets that easily expand or flatten in the body.[3] This is often incorrectly believed to be prohibited in the Geneva Conventions, but it significantly predates those conventions, and is in fact a continuance of the St. Petersburg Declaration of 1868, which banned exploding projectiles of less than 400 grams, as well as weapons designed to aggravate injured soldiers or make their death inevitable. NATO members do not use small arms ammunition that is prohibited by the Hague Convention.

I think that shows that our governments want war to be a game where they can shoot and know that the enemy will not be allowed to shoot stuff at them that would get them killed.

Am I alone in seeing that this seems a little odd?

Remember the Star Trek episode where people were chosen to go to execution buildings because the 2 governments were carrying out an electronic war. Kirk though that was cruel. The civilizations said it was more humane because real war would cause lots of damage. There was more to the story, but maybe it was a parody on the rules of engagement?
IIRC the geneva convention applies to those wearing unifroms of a recognised army. plain clothes militas exempt? or overlooked?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on May 13, 2013, 04:43:17 PM

Am I alone in seeing that this seems a little odd?

Lets not even try even understand the point of most wars here - personally I would rather see the instigators / perpetrators / belligerents tossed into a pit to duke it out for everyones enjoyment... Push come to shove however...

JHPs are messy messy things, especially on soft squishy things like humans.  They kill by extreme trauma, and the fact is that while people who are exposed to the demoralising fact they have just lost a mate beside them by being ripped apart or losing a limb by a JHP, they are far more demoralised over time by being exposed to wounded mates who are also going to require a lot of resource to extract them from the area for medical treatment. 

You are better off tying up an enemies resources (assuming they care about their valuable trained soliers in limited war scenarios). In general everyone is going to get on with the task at hand if the person beside them has no chance of surviving. You don't want a motivated enemy concentraing on the task of getting you, you want them distracted. FMJs do a fantastic job of drilling nice neat little holes which guarantees that is going to happen.

The only time you don't want to wound is close quarters against well armed opponents. Hence Shotty guns with buckshot / solids. They only just weasel past the convention rules however...

Kyled25 is correct - Body armour is a little bit of an issue to JHPs and would not have been considered at the time of writing the convention. AP ammo (steel cored) was also available after 1860 but technically could also be used as it is non expanding.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: pliskin on May 13, 2013, 07:19:38 PM
Steel core projectiles are designed to injure (pass trough), not kill. An injured soldier cost more money to take care of. They will also likely never fight again. This is a more efficient way to end a war. Another plus is nobody wants to see injured soldiers. Like someone else said. It demoralizes the whole country. This creates position from within. Warfare is a crazy game.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on May 13, 2013, 11:15:42 PM
Steel core projectiles are designed to injure (pass trough), not kill. An injured soldier cost more money to take care of. They will also likely never fight again. This is a more efficient way to end a war. Another plus is nobody wants to see injured soldiers. Like someone else said. It demoralizes the whole country. This creates position from within. Warfare is a crazy game.

Right, not to mention the NATO 5.56 round's civilian equivalent is considered a varmint hunting round  :cookoo:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on May 14, 2013, 02:09:53 AM

Right, not to mention the NATO 5.56 round's civilian equivalent is considered a varmint hunting round  :cookoo:

The 5.56 (.308) is a superb round for all sorts of critters - but you will notice most people use a soft nose to ensure good results occur..

There are some crazy varmit rounds out there these days...
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on May 14, 2013, 11:00:27 AM
i think you meant .223, .308 is a 7.62mm
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on May 14, 2013, 01:11:13 PM

Right, not to mention the NATO 5.56 round's civilian equivalent is considered a varmint hunting round  :cookoo:

The 5.56 (.308) is a superb round for all sorts of critters - but you will notice most people use a soft nose to ensure good results occur..

There are some crazy varmit rounds out there these days...
thought the 5.56 was similar to a .223? weve got rifles that say. 5.56 but can fire .223 but not vice-versa
Short and sweet: the 5.56 and the .223 are the same bullet (.224 diameter) but the brass case and primer are different. The brass is thicker on the 5.56 and the primer is less sensitive. yes, the 5.56 is loaded to a slightly higher pressure, but not a significant one.
 So, you can safely fire .223 in a 5.56 chamber.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on May 14, 2013, 03:01:09 PM
As far as I am aware, the only difference between 223 and 556 is case pressure

Some cases are equal in thickness between 223 and 556

Some cases use hard primers for 223 and soft ones for 556

You'll know you have true 556 ammo because there will be a NATO stamp on the rim of the casing Looks like this:

(http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/n/nat_r.gif)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r265/druid223/headstamp.jpg)

That being said it is NOT RECOMMENDED to fire 556 in a gun chambered for 223 (especially bolt actions, even modern ones)

With THAT being said, I have a friend that fires nothing but milsurp 556 out of his Ruger MINI-14 from the 70's and has yet to have a problem (the gun is clearly marked "223")
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on May 14, 2013, 04:42:09 PM
OK. I'll ask the dumb question here.
If .223 and 5.56 are the same, where do those numbers come from? One metric and one English units or what?
What ammo is the same and what is different?
9mm .vs. 380 auto .vs. 38 special..... confusing.
What I have found is .22 LR is probably the cheapest you can get if you just want to plink around. As low as 11 cents each if you know where to look and can act within the next 10 minutes (really - you have to be fast - I see them sell out instantly)
I've seen lots of names for the same 9mm Luger round. I google and WIKI them in my idle time. All the other abbreviations like FMJ and so forth. Learning about them.

Until later, I'm enjoying the air guns.

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on May 14, 2013, 06:38:16 PM
.223 and 5.56 are indeed the same cartridge. Since NATO uses metric designations for its cartridges, it's 5.56mm x 45mm (bullet diameter by case length). The actual designation, long form, is 5.56x45mm NATO. In case you're wondering, the .223 came first and was selected for use by the military, which in turn made it 5.56x45mm and gave it its unique "5.56" properties.

Basically it's like taking a normal civilian vehicle like a truck and converting it for military use and giving it a different name.

The same thing applies to other items as well. .308 Winchester is another example. Its NATO brother is 7.62x51mm NATO. Took .308 and derived a new round for use in the military. Same thing otherwise. Don't know if it's true but supposedly .308 and 7.62x51mm have the opposite problem from 5.56 and .223, meaning the .308 is more powerful and should not be fired in guns chambered in 7.62x51mm. Just what I've heard.

Here's something that will blow you away...

9mm Luger is probably the most universal cartridge out there. 9mm Luger, 9mm Parabellum, 9x19, and 9mm all describe the exact same cartridge.

.380ACP is known in other parts of the worlds by different names. Some places it's 9mm Kurz (meaning 'short'), others it's 9x17, and even further still some places call it 9mm Short.

So you have .380ACP and 9mm Luger... 9x17 and 9x19. There's also one in the middle, and it's called 9x18 or 9mm Makarov (for a specific Russian pistol called a Makarov that somewhat resembles a Walther PPK).


Then you asked about .38 Special and .357 Magnum. Since the numbers don't look the same, one would be led to believe they're different size bullets. Everyone knows you can shoot a .38SPL out of a .357. That's because they are the -same- caliber. A .38SPL bullet is 0.357" in diameter. As is a .357. The only difference is the amount (and type) of powder behind it. A .357 Magnum case is a LITTLE bit longer. .38SPL came before .357 Magnum.

9mm Luger and 380 are also in the 0.35 family but they are 0.355 instead of .357. The only difference (in terms of bullet diameter) between 9mm Luger, .380, .357, and .38SPL is 0.002" - crazy huh? All the same bullet basically.

9mm Makarov isn't even in the same ballpark as the other two, though. It's .365"

Point I guess is you just have to systematically learn every cartridge and eventually it'll all make sense.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on May 15, 2013, 05:54:40 AM


Point I guess is you just have to systematically learn every cartridge and eventually it'll all make sense.
yeah it's kind of dumb how their is different names for the same round, esp. 9mm b/c like you said it's a universal round used all around the world. Perhaps this is due to dozens of manufacturers making the exact same product? I don't know, I'm just speculating.

Another thing, especially with rifle shooting and obscure pistol rounds, always pick up and save the empty brass cartridges. I myself do not re-load, but I know a few people who do. The range charges you to be there, don't let them make even more money off you by collecting and selling your brass. Of course this doesn't apply if your shooting cheap steel cased ammo (steel  cannot be reloaded).
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: john on May 15, 2013, 09:27:26 AM
I like the Russian 5.45 rounds.  Similar to .223/5.56 but cheaper.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on May 15, 2013, 10:22:39 AM
As far as I am aware, the only difference between 223 and 556 is case pressure

Some cases are equal in thickness between 223 and 556

Some cases use hard primers for 223 and soft ones for 556

You'll know you have true 556 ammo because there will be a NATO stamp on the rim of the casing Looks like this:

(http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/n/nat_r.gif)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r265/druid223/headstamp.jpg)

That being said it is NOT RECOMMENDED to fire 556 in a gun chambered for 223 (especially bolt actions, even modern ones)

With THAT being said, I have a friend that fires nothing but milsurp 556 out of his Ruger MINI-14 from the 70's and has yet to have a problem (the gun is clearly marked "223")
tried to chamber a 5.56 in a .223 it was VERY tight. otoh, a .223 in a 5.56 felt pretty much normal. a tad sloppy but bullet was chambered
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on May 15, 2013, 12:52:02 PM
I like the Russian 5.45 rounds.  Similar to .223/5.56 but cheaper.
heck yeah, my friends are all pissed because I can still go anywhere and buy 7.62x39 ammo for my ak while their holding their "tacticool" ar's and making "pew-pew" noises  :flipoff:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on May 15, 2013, 01:59:53 PM
BTW showcase underneath this is 60" long
(http://i519.photobucket.com/albums/u360/gstwin/Mobile%20Uploads/0515131650_zpsf20f1803.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on May 15, 2013, 02:05:08 PM


Point I guess is you just have to systematically learn every cartridge and eventually it'll all make sense.
yeah it's kind of dumb how their is different names for the same round, esp. 9mm b/c like you said it's a universal round used all around the world. Perhaps this is due to dozens of manufacturers making the exact same product? I don't know, I'm just speculating.

Another thing, especially with rifle shooting and obscure pistol rounds, always pick up and save the empty brass cartridges. I myself do not re-load, but I know a few people who do. The range charges you to be there, don't let them make even more money off you by collecting and selling your brass. Of course this doesn't apply if your shooting cheap steel cased ammo (steel  cannot be reloaded).

You know, I was thinking. Perhaps it's an attempt to differentiate. You know, to keep idiots from buying the wrong cartridge. 5.56 NATO looks a lot different. If it was .223 NATO, someone could possibly mistake it for .223 REM.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on May 15, 2013, 02:07:19 PM
slight differences in .223 and 5.56 nato
http://thearmsguide.com/645/is-there-a-difference-between-223-and-5-56/
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on May 15, 2013, 02:46:54 PM


Point I guess is you just have to systematically learn every cartridge and eventually it'll all make sense.
yeah it's kind of dumb how their is different names for the same round, esp. 9mm b/c like you said it's a universal round used all around the world. Perhaps this is due to dozens of manufacturers making the exact same product? I don't know, I'm just speculating.

Another thing, especially with rifle shooting and obscure pistol rounds, always pick up and save the empty brass cartridges. I myself do not re-load, but I know a few people who do. The range charges you to be there, don't let them make even more money off you by collecting and selling your brass. Of course this doesn't apply if your shooting cheap steel cased ammo (steel  cannot be reloaded).

You know, I was thinking. Perhaps it's an attempt to differentiate. You know, to keep idiots from buying the wrong cartridge. 5.56 NATO looks a lot different. If it was .223 NATO, someone could possibly mistake it for .223 REM.
i HAVE seen people insist the .223 nato and rem. were the same. hated to argue with customers. but id rather do it tactfully and let them know the differences. and to not let them get the wrong ammunition
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on May 15, 2013, 06:08:23 PM
As far as I am aware, the only difference between 223 and 556 is case pressure

Some cases are equal in thickness between 223 and 556

Some cases use hard primers for 223 and soft ones for 556

You'll know you have true 556 ammo because there will be a NATO stamp on the rim of the casing Looks like this:

(http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/n/nat_r.gif)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r265/druid223/headstamp.jpg)

That being said it is NOT RECOMMENDED to fire 556 in a gun chambered for 223 (especially bolt actions, even modern ones)

With THAT being said, I have a friend that fires nothing but milsurp 556 out of his Ruger MINI-14 from the 70's and has yet to have a problem (the gun is clearly marked "223")
tried to chamber a 5.56 in a .223 it was VERY tight. otoh, a .223 in a 5.56 felt pretty much normal. a tad sloppy but bullet was chambered

You might've had a high grain 5.56 and a low grain .223 (like 62gr vs 55). I noticed the OAL of 5.56 bullets with heavier bullets tends to be higher.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on May 15, 2013, 06:39:09 PM
the slight differences in pressure between the 5.56 and the .223 both can shoot both, however should NEVER shoot a 5.56 in a .223 but vice versa is ok.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on May 15, 2013, 06:44:13 PM
just a thought on this .223 vs 5.56 thing... i've never bothered to measure the cases etc .. but... i would tend to think the difference is not in the actual ammunition dimensions... but the rifles themselves..

the .223 'sport hunter' (bolt action?) would normally tend to be fairly precise and tighter in the chamber to ensure optimum accuracy etc .. while the more milspec 5.56nato ar15's  or similar (i would suspect) have looser tolerances in the chamber/guides/lands/barrel etc to ensure '1st time every time' operation? ... Military use being in much harsher conditions and areas mostly... not saying the milspec weapons are 'loose and crappy' .. just that they may have a less tight fit than a sport/hunter weapon.. and following on from this ...

military ammo (as most things military) .. has to be 'bigger bang' than normal.. so while the dimensions of the actual case/s should really be pretty much identical the powder/propellant may be a slightly higher charge ...
also with looser tolerances theoretically letting a slight amount of gas/bang escape the velocity with a 'given' charge of powder would be less?... so a little more powder keeps the velocity high/er ..

i have mainly used handloads in all my rifles in the past... and while some of the loads were 'standard' because thats what gave me the best/tightest group in that particular rifle.... some of them have been just below OR right on MAX loads , also because the group of shots was the tightest for a particular rifle.. and from also using ex-mil ammo in the same rifles... i guarantee my handloads in several situations were a lot higher than milspec ammo... 300-500 feet per second faster to start with .. and in a few handloads so hot that the primer was almost completely flattened and starting to gasleak around its primer edge.. so i backed those ones down a little..

sure the 5.56 Nato stuff is not recommended in a lot of .223 .. i kinda think though that it might be 'save our asses' by the rifle manufacturer safety department rather than 'Dangerous in Extreme' differences...

just my thoughtscape for the day  :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on May 15, 2013, 08:24:45 PM
what ive read is the .223 can be shot in a 5.56 w/o issues pretty much. ( talking about gas pressures here) but a 5.56 seems to have a higher gas pressure and can cause problems if done too often in a .223
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on May 15, 2013, 09:08:00 PM
The difference is in the gun itself. The 5.56 chamber is significantly longer. There's twice as much leade (distance to the lands of the rifling) in a 5.56 as there is in a .223.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on May 15, 2013, 11:35:26 PM
The difference is in the gun itself. The 5.56 chamber is significantly longer. There's twice as much leade (distance to the lands of the rifling) in a 5.56 as there is in a .223.

mmm yeah, ok cool....  :) .. so longer to allow for 'ease of maneuvering/chambering' ??

when you guys are talking 5.56 .. are you talking exclusively assault/semi auto style weapons though? .. it has been a long while since i looked at anything in the rifle world... do they normally sell 5.56 bolt/lever/pump actions at all? ... the semi-auto's will always have that longer lead area so i believe to allow for range of case/bullet OAL discrepancies as well as the rapid fire aspect where some leeway lets it all slide in and lock easier...  :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on May 16, 2013, 01:00:31 AM
i think you meant .223, .308 is a 7.62mm

Yeah - my brain has been a bit frazzled the past two weeks.. 7.62 x 51 - not that I own a .223 or its NATO buddy.. A lot of guys at the club here seem to use .223 ammo quite a bit in 5.56 - but most of them are using mini 14s or ARs. Generally they seem to be more happy that lead is headed in the general direction of the target..

The .308 and 7.62 x 51 has the same confusion since technically they are different case wise - but generally you don't seem to have any issues using either or since the gas pressures are lower for the 7.62 NATO round compared to the .308.

The only reason the 7.62 x 51 is sized an eensy bit smaller than .308 is for the reason Janx mentions - less issues with semi / full auto and poor weather or environment causing issues with feeding.

I use a Ruger M77 MKII in .308 and frequently have used R1M1 7.62 ammo with absolutely no issues.  Only real issue is the projectile weight with 7.62 which seems lighter on average than most medium game factory loads in .308.

Haven't seen any civilian 5.56 issue gadgets here - .223 is very popular for medium game including Deer.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on May 16, 2013, 01:13:31 AM
Loaded up some Swedish 6.5x55 120 grain Remington softcore
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on May 16, 2013, 01:29:45 AM
Loaded up some Swedish 6.5x55 120 grain Remington softcore

oh?.... cool! ... what powder and how much? ...

i used to use Nosler 120 ballistic tip with 48.5 gn of Mulwex 2209 ... THWAP!!!  :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on May 16, 2013, 02:30:20 AM
35 grains of 2206 with a cci primer
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on May 16, 2013, 04:14:28 AM
35 grains of 2206 with a cci primer

 :icon_eek: ... Holy smokes... That's a pretty quick powder for the 6.5 bro ... It will still work ok and possibly quite well... but with a case that's less full you can get a less consistent burn and variable pressures ... In extreme cases (like if the powder mostly packed itself forward towards the neck) you can get a hang fire ..

How far up the shell did the powder go? ..

Try it out for sure but be wary ... Normally I used 2209 ... But also would not go under 2208 ..

Weigh every charge? .. Or just weigh the measures till the thrower gave 35 mostly?

Not tryin to boss you about... I really dunno how much you have loaded previously.... If its a setup you have used with success in the past then coolio .... But 2206 ... Normally I think of that for maybe a .223 or even like .22 hornet or smaller calibre again (but more power) .. The .17 rem ...

Generally the larger the bore the slower the powder.... Mostly best to keep your powder charge up near the shoulder of the shell...


Just sayin...  :thumb:

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on May 16, 2013, 04:28:28 AM
It's a load that was developed for me when I began shooting. Case is about 2/3 full or even a bit less. It groups quite nicely and at range quite good. It was my very first time loading on my own I weighed every 3rd charge to check and I was +\- .1 of a grain. I will have to develop a new load cause 2206 is no longer made but I was advised when it runs out to switch to 2208.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on May 16, 2013, 04:40:52 AM
Good grouping is a bonus... 2/3 up case isn't too bad .. The 6.5 is of course a slightly tapered case.. But yeah personally I wouldn't go much lower than that for fullness ..

My old man taught me to load and I ended up being pedantic about it like he was and weighed every load.... What powder thrower you using? ... Be aware as the hopper is less than 1/3 full the charges can SOMETIMES start to lighten up .. But with a small grain like the '06 that chance is minimised...

2208 will be much better in the long run ... The primer brand doesn't matter so much ... So long as you keep the pockets clean and the seated depth consistent... What brass you using? .. How much crimp on the seating? .. What depth on the seating? ....

Just being nosy eh!! ... I loved my 6.5 ... It was never the fastest or the strongest lad on the block ... But it never ever failed me...  :thumb:

Oh and don't forget to have a shallow tray of graphite powder .. Maybe 1mm of graphite... Just bump the neck rim into the graphite every 3rd or 4th neck sizer pull .. Takes a lot of stress off the die ..

Oh and I think you might have mentioned it before... But what brand of lady are you slinging them out of?  :D


Edit... With the 2206 at 35 grains... Your recoil should be lighter... But sharper... That's a farken fast burn! ... And your 'report' probably be fairly 'crack' .. When you get to 2208 (without looking it up I would think the 41-43 gn range) .. Probably slightly more recoil overall but not as sharp ... And more of a boom/not so much crack  O0
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on May 16, 2013, 04:57:10 AM
Using an old Hornady thrower it's doing the job nicely, not crimping the case I never have they are sitting in there nice n tight. As for loading the hopper up I filled it near full and finished it with it half full. Had my cases lubed up on my rcbs lube pad and used imperial neck lube through the full size die. Seating 74.75mm, I had a reloaded round I measured and I bought a box of Winchester super x and they were slightly around 74.85 so I'm seating at about 74.80mm. It's Been a while since I let a 6.5 off. ATM my metal work is being re blued and headspace check and general inspection. My baby is 107 this year lol.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on May 16, 2013, 09:00:29 AM
The difference is in the gun itself. The 5.56 chamber is significantly longer. There's twice as much leade (distance to the lands of the rifling) in a 5.56 as there is in a .223.

mmm yeah, ok cool....  :) .. so longer to allow for 'ease of maneuvering/chambering' ??

when you guys are talking 5.56 .. are you talking exclusively assault/semi auto style weapons though? .. it has been a long while since i looked at anything in the rifle world... do they normally sell 5.56 bolt/lever/pump actions at all? ... the semi-auto's will always have that longer lead area so i believe to allow for range of case/bullet OAL discrepancies as well as the rapid fire aspect where some leeway lets it all slide in and lock easier...  :thumb:

Never seen a lever action in .223 most likely due to the fact that lever actions are fed from a tube magazine and...pointy bullets + tube magazine + sudden shock to the rifle (even during recoil) = KA-BOOM!!!!

I have seen bolt actions in 5.56 and .223 though the large majority of bolt actions I've seen were in .223 NOT 5.56.

Only ever seen one pump action in 5.56 and I believe it was made by Remington. Took AR-15 magazines, if I recall correctly.

The large majority of firearms chambered for .223/5.56 are going to be semi-automatic. You have the AR-style, Ruger Mini-14, the AK-47's chambered in 5.56, and a whole host of other rifles.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on May 16, 2013, 09:02:57 AM
I found it. It's this:


(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kdcsVoFMTKM/SQdnTu64D4I/AAAAAAAALPg/cW0w9lKfCKU/s400/Rem7615a.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on May 16, 2013, 09:48:47 AM
ill be damned! i want one. not seen one on shelves here ever
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on May 16, 2013, 12:13:36 PM
Thats a very interesting gadget.. haven't seen anything like that here either... now I want one.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Zmerica19 on June 02, 2013, 02:30:52 PM
remington 870 express 20 gauge, mossberg 500 12 guage and a winchester 22
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 02, 2013, 09:10:07 PM
Interesting that a .22 Evanix PCP air rifle has 35 ft. lbs. of energy with a 16gr pellet at 1050 fps.
A Super Colibri  .22  20gr  has 11 ft lbs.
Some sub sonic .22's are low like 50 ft lbs energy.
That's one powerful air rifle. Silent, too. Amazing some air guns are nearly as powerful as real .22's and comparing to some .22 bullets, more powerful.

One sweet air rifle. Semi-automatic (unusual for air rifle). Electric trigger action. Very accurate when you add a nice 3-10x40 scope.


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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on June 02, 2013, 10:22:14 PM
 :icon_eek: .. lol... not hazing too hard Addy ... but 3-10x on a air rifle? .. you gonna be hillbilly rik-o-chet shootin over 400yds or what? ..  ;)

each to their own of course... but i woulda stuck with just a nice 4x32 scope .. slim wire crosshairs .. or illum reticule/red dot if you need for night pot shots..  :thumb:

10x at air gun ranges?.... man ... you be picking which hair to hit ... not which critter!!  :D
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 04, 2013, 01:12:53 AM
Interesting test.
I have a pellet trap for target practice. The back of it is a thick piece of galvanized steel. Normal air guns don't do anything to it.
The Evanix PCP rifle dents the hell out of it. 1050 fps 17.5 gr pellets.
So what would happen with a Super Colibri powderless 22: 500 fps and 20gr? hardly anything.
Interesting that the .22 pellet rifle has much more power than the lesser .22 rim fires.
The sound of the Super Colibri is about the same as a medium loud air rifle.

(To be fair, I did fire one and only one standard .22 at the same target. A little more dent than the air rifle.)

For home air gun practice, I'll have to use a real .22 trap. The ones for air guns are not adequate for the better air guns.

Well, simple math says that 17,5gr at 1050 fps is far more energy than 20gr at 500 fps - nearly double the energy.
It will be good to test out the air rifle on a range at 100 yards.

So I guess a good scope on that kind of air rifle is quite appropriate. At 15 yards it can do 1" groupings.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on June 04, 2013, 01:36:21 AM
Don't get me wrong Addy... I trust that its a good scope ... And a better than average pellet gun ... But 10x is a lot ... Great for 100yards plus... From using such things I remember that below say ... 50 yards... Anything much more than maybe 6 power produces a 'slower' reaction time... Everything is bIG! .. It makes it harder to pick out which bit you want to hit..

The 40mm front lens is great .. Plenty of light collection for those dusk/torchlight shots... And yeah I think you will probably end up leaving the scope on 6x or less.....

No real drama .... Just more scope than mostly needed for your purposes ... If its just for those koi thieving bastards! ..

What brand of scope is it btw?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on June 04, 2013, 01:49:15 AM
Thinking about buying a mossberg 802 plinkster with a tasco x4-x9 scope as a little plinker/rabbit gun
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 04, 2013, 01:51:21 AM
It is a 3-12x44. Leapers UTG Accushot Swat IE scope with 36 colors. That's just what it is and for a good price.
I usually use it on 3x for close and rarely take it over 6x.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 04, 2013, 01:53:34 AM
Thinking about buying a mossberg 802 plinkster with a tasco x4-x9 scope as a little plinker/rabbit gun
Ruger 10-22 seems to be extremely popular and quite versatile with tons of accessories and upgrades available.
There's a bolt action Ruger, too. The 10-22 is semi-auto.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on June 04, 2013, 02:11:42 AM
Not allowed a semi auto in aus unless licensed with a leg inmate excuse such as a primary producer (farmer) I had a ruger 96-22 lever gun which I loved but had to part ways with. It's relatively cheap essentially I'm buying the scope cause I know in Yankee land you can buy a brand new one with a x4 for 180 usd. It's a fun cheap way into a .22
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 04, 2013, 02:44:43 AM
No semi-auto rifles? What about hand guns? Fully auto are restricted here. But gun laws depend on state city and even some zip codes! Talk about goofy: one state requires a license for an air gun. There is an assortment of strange laws for sling shots - believe it or not!

How are your laws on air guns? I find air guns are a blast for just plinking. Some are so quiet the pellet hitting the target makes more noise. Many are exact replicas of real things. Definitely CO2 or PCP is the way to go. A springer is VERY noisy. Nitro-piston is not as noisy but still single shot break barrel type like a springer.

Since I put adjustable scopes on things, I have a few 3x or 4x scopes I have no use for.

The Evanix was fully automatic until Jan 4, 2013. No one knows what law changed that. Now only semi-auto but that is more than adequate.  It is one of the few semi-auto air rifles. Lots of semi-auto air hand guns (pellet, BB or airsoft).

There are some other really nice bolt action 10 round air rifles: Benjamin Marauder is one. Hamerli 850 is another.
The 850 uses 88cc large CO2 cylinders. The Evanix and Marauder are PCP which needs a tank (like a scuba tank) to fill to 3000 psi. Each has its advantages. PCP is high pressure and more power, but the non-PCP CO2 cylinders for the 850 (or small cylinders for hand air guns) you can just replace when you run out of air.

I rested the Evanix and fired a magazine of 11 pellets of 17.5gr. Seems I shouldn't use the pellet trap with this one. Punched a hole in it. I'll have to use a heavy duty trap designed for real .22's. (I wasn't aiming for anything - I just wanted 11 pellets in the same place to see the spread, which was due to my slight movement of the rifle.)
(http://www.gs500.net/gallery/data/500/IMGP2213a.JPG) (http://www.gs500.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/283/title/imgp2213a/cat/500)
(http://www.gs500.net/gallery/data/500/IMGP2214a.JPG) (http://www.gs500.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/284/title/imgp2214a/cat/500)

Then I was curious what it would do to 3/4" plywood. The larger hole is 5 pellets. The 2 other holes are singles. I would not want one to hit me.
(http://www.gs500.net/gallery/data/500/IMGP2218a.JPG) (http://www.gs500.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/285/title/imgp2218a/cat/500)
(http://www.gs500.net/gallery/data/500/IMGP2219a.JPG) (http://www.gs500.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/286/title/imgp2219a/cat/500)

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on June 04, 2013, 03:28:05 AM
Laws vary subtly between states but your average joe blow firearm owner cannot posses semi auto rifle or shotgun unless he has a need to (cannot operate pump action, primary producer, professional aerial pest controller). Must have a gun licence for an air rifle and even a paintball gun as well I think. So basically we are restricted to bolt action, lever action, and pump action. In the case of a shotgun it cannot hold more than 3 rounds. Rifles are not allowed more than a 10 round magazine unless fitted otherwise from the factory, same with suppressors/silencers. Not allowed unless factory fitted. In my state you are not allowed .50 caliber anything. In terms of handguns you again are not allowed to possess over .50 caliber. For calibers over .38 or 9mm you are only allowed to possess these guns if you shoot metallic silhouette and you must shoot in these competitions at least 6 times a year and remain a financial member of a gun club. Now for handguns under .38 or 9mm you must participate in at least 6 shoots run by the club a year and again remain a member of a club to legally posses your firearms and have a license. IT IS ILLEGAL to carry your gun conclealed or not in public unless your a armed security, police or armed forces.

Firearm ownership in Australia is a privledge not a right.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on June 04, 2013, 04:54:28 AM
It is a 3-12x44. Leapers UTG Accushot Swat IE scope with 36 colors. That's just what it is and for a good price.
I usually use it on 3x for close and rarely take it over 6x.

Errr ... I googled that .... Nice ... But  :icon_eek: ... Wow ... Does it also come with option for cappuccino attachment!? ... That has EVERYTHING!!! ...  :o

And you can also use it if you ever decide to upgrade to a Barrett .416 .... Sheesh ... I been not paying attention to stuff for too long ... Although I suspect even if this scope was available in Aussie ... It'd be about a squillion bucks!! ....

So go on someone now..... Find one in Aussie for cheap .... I might just fall out of my lounge chair!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 04, 2013, 11:11:15 AM
Look up the Evanix Conquest or the Benjamin Marauder.

Here is something interesting - shipping restrictions on air guns.
restrictions of foregrips? Duh?
No scopes or dot sights to Canada?
Blowguns? Huh?
Restrictions on blank guns?
A real mess here in the states. Glad I live in Washington State.

http://www.pyramydair.com/shipping-restrictions;jsessionid=9EA334C0B314CF80B9F2295449462DD3.app01

Real guns have odd rules and regulations, too. Some places limit magazines to 10 or less. Heck, a Ruger 10-22 you can get a 50 or larger rotary magazine. 25 or 30 is easy to find - at least in Washington State. Some states you have to register everything. Washington allows unregistered private gun sales. You need a permit for a concealed gun, but can carry one in the open. Go figure!



Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on June 04, 2013, 03:31:18 PM
In NZ, you have a number of different categories of license. This system seems to work well - possibly since a large percentage of the population owns and uses firearms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_New_Zealand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_New_Zealand)

This means you can get a semi auto rifle  with a magazine capacity of not more than 15 shots .22 rimfire or other calibre must be less than 7 shots on a bog standard A category license before it becomes "Military style" which you can also get, but you need to up your license to a different category.

The main issue I have is that export restrictions have been upped from the US - everything is getting really difficult to get hold of (lots of paperwork hoops to import anything not category A), and the dealers know it (and charge accordingly)...

Priced a clip for my FN150 .22 and I could get one for about US$40 if I lived in the US - paperwork and Dealer to get it to NZ would add about $200 to that..
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: noworries on June 04, 2013, 05:16:28 PM
Beautiful New Zealand, military style weapons, multiple round clips, rough day for an individual, leading to a disaster for an unsuspecting community -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF1exldW0-k
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Slack on June 04, 2013, 05:53:51 PM
Beautiful New Zealand, military style weapons, multiple round clips, rough day for an individual, leading to a disaster for an unsuspecting community -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF1exldW0-k

The Weinstein Co. has blocked the viewing of that video in my country due to copyrights.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on June 04, 2013, 06:16:15 PM
It is a documentary called "Out of the blue" and details the Aramoana massacre in NZ - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramoana_massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramoana_massacre) -
It was after this event that the definition of MSSAs was tightened - and after this day it became a lot more difficult to become a legitimate owner of E category firearms.

Noworries is correct - someone having a mental breakdown and a disaster did indeed follow...

That being said, it is sadly hunting accidents / people being idiots that constitute the majority of firearms related deaths in NZ at present.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on June 04, 2013, 06:20:19 PM
looked like a telemovie dramatisation/re-creation ..  :dunno_black:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 06, 2013, 02:04:27 AM
real 22's or pellet guns?

Looking into things, I find there are .22 pellet guns with 1050 fps for a 17gr pellet. They are rated as very quiet. Other pellet rifles in the range and some pellet pistols with 450 fps.

 For QUIET real 22's, there are the Colibri at 22gr and 375fps or Super Colibri 22gr at 500 fps. CCI also makes CB Long's at about 30gr and 700 fps.

So, other than being something with real powder (or primer only as in the Colibri), these days if just plinking and target shooting and not wanting to be loud, is there any reason to get a real gun or go for a good pellet gun ?

Ranges around here don't care if you're shooting a pellet gun. You paid your $12 so shoot whatever you want as long as it doesn't exceed their limits.

There is a target range under a high school stadium bleachers a few blocks from me that allows only 22's and air guns. Air guns are OK on private property as long as you don't shoot people (eminent danger from a wild, attacking raccoon or squirrel is OK.)

I guess for relieving stress from mother going down hill (that "guy" comes in at 2am and turns on her TV. oooookkkkaaayyyyyyyyyy......) and as a new hobby, air guns are just as good as quiet 22's?

Any of you shoot with air guns? (and not airsoft - but really good pellet guns that can go through 3/4" plywood)


Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Slack on June 06, 2013, 04:57:33 AM
Any of you shoot with air guns? (and not airsoft - but really good pellet guns that can go through 3/4" plywood)

Yes, I had a .22 that would sling the lead at 1000 fps, iirc.  I just traded it yesterday for a router.  I thought it was a lot of fun to shoot, but moved and didn't have a place to fire it, other than at a real range.  And if I'm at a range I'm going to use my real .22 since it's way more accurate and it goes BANG instead of Psssft.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on June 06, 2013, 03:36:29 PM
Thinking about buying a mossberg 802 plinkster with a tasco x4-x9 scope as a little plinker/rabbit gun
we just set out 3 of them today lol. 2 with scopes oone with iron sights
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 06, 2013, 05:13:56 PM
Thinking about buying a mossberg 802 plinkster with a tasco x4-x9 scope as a little plinker/rabbit gun
we just set out 3 of them today lol. 2 with scopes oone with iron sights
Drop one in a UPS box. I'll test it for you and report back.
Put orange tape on the barrel end so it looks like an air soft gun. Pack a box of airsoft pellets with it. That would confuse someone if they opened it up.


Seems there are Remmington CBee22's and CCI has quiet 22's also. Checking the specs, 500 fps to700 fps. No more than 50 ft/lbs energy and quiet as an air gun.  I guess slow 22's are not much different in energy as a good air gun.
Kind of comes down to pellets are easier to buy and legal (except in a couple states and cities). Bullets are more expensive and harder to get these days. Plus not legal in your back yard in the city. Though if quiet as an air gun, no one would notice.
I've noticed with the air gun, hitting the steel target makes far more noise than firing the gun. (and I have the target trap wrapped in car sound deadening stuff or it would ring like a bell.)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on June 06, 2013, 05:54:33 PM
afaik an air rifle isnt treated like an actual firearm. as far as adult signature required etc. i signed for the other day around a half ton of ammunition. UPS hates us sometimes.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on June 06, 2013, 06:22:20 PM
glue a square of rubber mat against inside rear wall of target box
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 06, 2013, 09:52:12 PM
afaik an air rifle isnt treated like an actual firearm. as far as adult signature required etc. i signed for the other day around a half ton of ammunition. UPS hates us sometimes.
What? You didn't forward a box to me? CCI quiet 22's? Colibri's? CBee22's? CCI CB long's? Shorts? If you really don't want the stuff there, send it to me.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 06, 2013, 09:57:19 PM
glue a square of rubber mat against inside rear wall of target box
I have one of those welded heavy gauge 22 boxes. Outside lined with a few layers of the sticky back auto sound deadening material. I guess I can add a sheet inside where it plinks. It doesn't ring like a bell with the outside covered.
I have lots of leather from past costume projects. I was thinking of hanging a couple sheets of that as a curtain to slow things down before they hit the inside. I found so many deer and cow hides cleaning up the basement last month that I could have a couple in there for the rest of my life.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on June 06, 2013, 10:02:36 PM
perfect!! .. if quiet is the aim .. then all good!  :D .. just to stop the "tUNK"

speaking of which ... years ago... .375 H&H on a benchrest with 220gn flat nose proj (meant for a .375 winchester but oh well) ..

150yards away on the range was a 8" round steel plate .. 1" thick ... like a big version of this http://www.bb-guns.org/browseproducts/Beeman-Metallic-Silhouette-Trap.HTML

Bang ... tuuuuUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG .. spun it round about 3 times and it 'rang' for about 5 seconds or so...

btw .. if you aint seen them before .. hope you like the little silhouette thingy... quite fun!! ... just beware of ricochets!!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on June 06, 2013, 10:20:34 PM
speaking of ricochets keep this in mind. watch what youre shooting into.  :o
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on June 06, 2013, 10:22:35 PM
yeah that one is chronic!!!! ... even if its just the core coming back!!?!... .50's total proj weight up around 750gn if its FMJ .. the jacket being about 30% of that IIRC??
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on June 06, 2013, 10:25:18 PM
yeah that one is chronic!!!! ... even if its just the core coming back!!?!... .50's total proj weight up around 750gn if its FMJ .. the jacket being about 30% of that IIRC??
IIRC theyre FMJ. had a few on the shelf a month ago before we sold the ar50
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 07, 2013, 04:41:22 PM
Anyone know where one can find a HENRY H004D2 GOLDEN BOY DLX2 22
Limited edition of 1000.
.22 LR model (shoots 22 short, long and LR)
I can't locate one anywhere.


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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on June 08, 2013, 04:13:03 AM
Reckon it's a tough search Addy, limited run of 1000 .... The following says you can order...

http://gunforall.com/shopcart/mcartfree/product.asp?intProdID=159036

Reckon you would have tried these types of places though...

Apart from that ... A specialist auction house for collectors??? ... Bring the chequebook though!

You lookin to off some varmint with collectors class popguns now? .. Lol ... You got powder fever man!  :laugh:  ;)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 08, 2013, 10:06:41 AM
Called them yesterday. No go.

I saw this one. Not a Golden Boy, but still a pretty nice Henry limited edition one.
http://www.gunsinternational.com/HENRY-SIERRA-LIMITED-EDITION-22CAL.cfm?gun_id=100313489

I would like a lever action Henry for 22short, 22long and 22LR that is really a collector's item for the nostalgia of it.

Anyone remember the Matel Shoot & Shell rifles from your youth? I remember making card houses and shooting them down with one of these.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 10, 2013, 11:20:38 PM
Raccoons ate some Koi last night.

Well, something will have to be done to protect the defenseless fish.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on June 10, 2013, 11:26:05 PM
...... STAKEOUT!!!!! ......

(http://www.philzone.org/discus/messages/439459/855892.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Roxtar on June 11, 2013, 06:42:17 AM
Anyone know where one can find a HENRY H004D2 GOLDEN BOY DLX2 22
Limited edition of 1000.
.22 LR model (shoots 22 short, long and LR)
I can't locate one anywhere.

I can only suggest going through Henry themselves to see if they can locate one for you
http://henryrepeating.com/rifle-goldenboy-deluxe2.cfm
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 11, 2013, 10:34:23 AM
Anyone know where one can find a HENRY H004D2 GOLDEN BOY DLX2 22
Limited edition of 1000.
.22 LR model (shoots 22 short, long and LR)
I can't locate one anywhere.

I can only suggest going through Henry themselves to see if they can locate one for you
http://henryrepeating.com/rifle-goldenboy-deluxe2.cfm

I did find one on gunbroker.com
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on June 11, 2013, 01:40:00 PM
Called them yesterday. No go.

I saw this one. Not a Golden Boy, but still a pretty nice Henry limited edition one.
http://www.gunsinternational.com/HENRY-SIERRA-LIMITED-EDITION-22CAL.cfm?gun_id=100313489

I would like a lever action Henry for 22short, 22long and 22LR that is really a collector's item for the nostalgia of it.

Anyone remember the Matel Shoot & Shell rifles from your youth? I remember making card houses and shooting them down with one of these.
theres always a regular golden boy. not as nice as that one.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 11, 2013, 11:45:21 PM
The one I want should be delivered Friday.  :cheers:  I finally found one.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on June 11, 2013, 11:47:13 PM
 :D :thumb:

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 12, 2013, 12:10:12 AM
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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on June 12, 2013, 07:00:17 AM
wow thats beautiful, how much it cost?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 12, 2013, 09:50:10 AM
Price? Well, retail is $1585 by their site, but never pay retail. Still not cheap. Hand engraved - each one.
There is a Talos Sierra limited edition Golden Boy. Also quite beautiful. Done in nickle. Talos is a distributor that has companies make limited editions Google  the "Henry Sierra". It can be bought for under $800.

Missed the raccoons last night. They stopped in the pond a little before 2am this time. I can estimate time by when I go out to check and the wetness of their damned paw prints on the sidewalk. I may have to do a stakeout and just wait for them. Or quickly rig up the electric fence again. I've got some SS wire that won't corrode, which is why the last one had to be taken down.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on June 12, 2013, 10:58:52 AM
Get some super colibri and take care of the current round of raccoons.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 12, 2013, 03:42:00 PM
First I have to be out there when they show up. I've missed them by an hour last 2 nights.
Yes, the super's are quieter than an air gun. Just not happy in a semi auto even when manually cycled. Needs lever action rifle. Silent in rifles. Loud in pistols due to all the open spaces they have.
A golden boy might be just right.
In Seattle a raccoon is classified as a pest. If trapped, they can not be relocated and turned loose. Granny Clampet's raccoon stew! Yum! Get 2 of them - one tail for each end of the bike handle bars.

From the deck,I'm 6' up and have a good view looking down on the pond. Excellent vantage point. Waterfall is off to the right. No fish at that part of it.


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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on June 12, 2013, 04:05:12 PM
Or consider a single shot 22. cheap as all hell. but damned dependable
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 12, 2013, 04:31:58 PM
So you want me to make a road trip to Cabelas? You want me to go shopping for toys? You want me to buy things to deal with pesky raccoons? Just who do you think I am? (Oh, right, you DO know which is why you suggested it!  :flipoff: ) anyway, Friday a new toy should be here.

You can chamber one bullet and use a Ruger 10/22 as a single shot. That makes it difficult should there me mommy and babies. It would be a shame not to let the whole family in on the fun. It is that time of year. Probably why they are coming around now.

I will set up the electric fence.

Older raccoons are not afraid of people - they stare at you. Babies are still afraid but very aggressive if cornered. Lots of dead ones along the roads lately.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on June 12, 2013, 05:19:40 PM
got an idea for you Addy ... an early warning system... if the pesky critters are late at night... cheap IR sensor pod like used for security lights or burglar alarms... one of the adjustable distance/angle ones... fairly cheap ... but instead of a light or big siren.... just hook it up to trigger a cheap doorbell! ... you could be inside doing stuff or even snoozing.... ding dong! ... slip out to the door.... slide out quiet... hello there mr critter!!  :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: pliskin on June 12, 2013, 08:01:02 PM
Racoons don't like mint. Plant mint to keep them away (it's a perennial and comes back every year) . Put some mint drops in the water to keep them away from fish. They make mint scented trash bags to keep coons away.

Or, if you want to teach them a lesson, trap them with a have-a-heart trap. Take them for a long ride to a place with no trees. Play really loud heavy metal on the way there. I've had squirrels pass out using this method...seriously. They wake up as soon as you open the cage. 
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: noworries on June 12, 2013, 08:12:26 PM
+1 to pliskin
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Slack on June 12, 2013, 08:42:02 PM
Just strolled through the gun isle of Walmart on my way to get a few door knobs and hinges.  They had 2 boxes of Winchester 22LR 1000 rounds, $49 a pop   :woohoo:  They don't have any anymore

BTW the 3 box limit is ABSOLUTE BULL!  I just bought 2000 rounds, and could have bought 3000 if they had them in stock.  But if I want to buy a particular slug for my 12 ga that only comes in boxes of 5 they will only let me buy 15 rounds  :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on June 12, 2013, 08:52:28 PM
so you would need to find the 'case' box that a whole heap of the slugs come in... and buy 3 'boxes' of that size eh!!  :thumb:

betcha they wouldnt blink....  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Slack on June 12, 2013, 08:56:57 PM
Actually one of the rounds I buy is sold in both a 15 and 5 round package.  Once I wanted 2 of the 15's, but they were sold out.  They had about a dozen of the 5's.  I asked the guy if he would sell me 6 5's for the price of 2 15's and he told me he could only sell me 3 5's total.  I didn't buy any that particular day. 
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on June 12, 2013, 09:01:32 PM
thats gotta suck... bloody govt rulings!!... i suppose whoever drew up the rules thought they were being really clever... and in a way walmart is giving the rules the bird by only selling you 2 boxes... of 1000!!!!!??

so ... in theory .. if you could get a pallet sized "box" of a particular round... (and had the $$ for it) .. then you could buy 3 of them in total ... hardly matters that 3 pallets would be well over 50,000 rounds of most ammo?....

hmmm ... wonder if anyone sells shipping container sized 'boxes' ??  :icon_rolleyes: :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Slack on June 12, 2013, 09:07:34 PM
It's just a "temporary" policy Walmart has been enforcing since December.  There are no legal restrictions.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on June 12, 2013, 09:31:33 PM
ahh .. supply and demand then..

still kinda sucks ..

in my state in Australia they have had various attempts at enforcing ammo purchase limits in the last decade.. 'to save society' ... the criminals didnt bother to keep to the limits though!!.. only some of the law abiding hunters... the rest of the law abiding hunters used the 'bulk box' rules and went around it anyway ..  :icon_rolleyes:

except the olympic games shooters ... i know for certain that they had 8 pallets of 'target' ammo for the 12 gauges delivered over a 3 month period ... even came with an exemption letter at the time because 'it was national pride' at stake... kinda thing..  :confused:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 12, 2013, 10:12:43 PM
got an idea for you Addy ... an early warning system... if the pesky critters are late at night... cheap IR sensor pod like used for security lights or burglar alarms... one of the adjustable distance/angle ones... fairly cheap ... but instead of a light or big siren.... just hook it up to trigger a cheap doorbell! ... you could be inside doing stuff or even snoozing.... ding dong! ... slip out to the door.... slide out quiet... hello there mr critter!!  :thumb:
One of the best ideas! Then I can stay inside watching Family Guy and Married with Children until my "guests" show up.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 12, 2013, 10:15:21 PM
Or, if you want to teach them a lesson, trap them with a have-a-heart trap. Take them for a long ride to a place with no trees. Play really loud heavy metal on the way there. I've had squirrels pass out using this method...seriously. They wake up as soon as you open the cage. 
In the city of Seattle, raccoons are classified as a pest. If you trap one - well - better have a good recipe for coon fricassee or a licensed trapper to take it to coon heaven. Not saying what I would do...... 
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on June 13, 2013, 12:52:31 AM
Looks like it's time to invest in reloading gear in the states. I hear 9mm is damn expensive and hard to find. Some say the government bought up a few billion rounds
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 13, 2013, 02:41:54 AM
Looks like it's time to invest in reloading gear in the states. I hear 9mm is damn expensive and hard to find. Some say the government bought up a few billion rounds
30 cents each is common, but you have to order fast. We CAN order ammo on the internet. Even can be found for under 30 cents if you know where to look. Ammo is available if you belong to certain gun clubs. Oh, like a police target range which is open to the public. Heck, I can find most any GS500 part I want. Using the same techniques, I've found .22's for under 8 cents each. You just have to hone in your searching techniques and be prepared to act fast when something sells out in 15 minutes.

45 cents each and higher: you can get all you want.

ALL ammo is available if you want to pay high prices.

Problem with reloading is the actual bullet is hard to get. Powder, primers and cases ( or your used ones ) are easy.

the shelves at Cabelas tonight was loaded with ammo. Just not what you normally want: .22, 380 acp, 45's, 9mm, 357 and so forth. I joked with the gun salesman that we should look at what ammo they have in stock and sell me something that fires it. I did look at the Henry Big Boy 45LC. Nice! Didn't buy it. Something charming about old school lever action or revolvers. Simple. Easy to clean. No mechanism to jam.

ON NIGHT PATROL: No furry visitors yet. Will continue for another hour or so.

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 13, 2013, 04:22:00 AM
4:15 am and no sign of varmints.
Watch will continue for another half hour.  It is sunrise. So they probably won't show tonight.

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 13, 2013, 11:51:50 AM
They didn't show up last night.

I did find this interesting site today while trying to figure out what was different in all the types of ammo.

The Big Page of Cartridge Comparisons

http://fullbore.webs.com/cartridgecomparisons.htm
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: ShanghaiPete on June 14, 2013, 07:51:04 AM
In my country the farmer always say that night you stay up to catch cat, then cat never come. That has always interested me. I don't know how animal would know that farmer had not gone to bed and was waiting. Do you think that it is same in your country with the racoon predator? Do you think that racoon knows that you are not sleeping? Animals are so interesting. My country is Malaysia and I am studying today in Australia.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 14, 2013, 10:36:54 AM
2 nights and no coons.

However, 2 nights ago I did put the trap out in an obvious place where they go. I know in the past, they knew what a trap was and generally stayed away until a couple youngsters wandered into it then the mother a few days later. That was a year ago. So maybe the trap has the smell of fear from a doomed raccoon.

Electric fence will go up and some kind of motion detector to a light inside so I know when they are around.

This is fun. Its OK, bought through FFL so "the man" already knows I have them. Something about the old school lever action. Henry's operate so smooth.

.....and so do the police since this is at the Seattle Police range (open to the public) pretty close to me.


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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: ShanghaiPete on June 14, 2013, 10:59:57 PM
Are you going to wait for racoon tonight? Maybe it will come tonight. I like your new gun. But writing on box very funny. I remember in America everything in WalMart come from China. can you buy Chinese made gun in America? My uncle has Norinco 7mm rifle he uses on the farm. It comes from China and he got good price. I don't know about guns really but he said that it is pretty good. Maybe America does not allow these Chinese guns to come to America because it will be bad for US industry. I will ask my uncle for more about his gun and tell you about it. Good luck with racoon tonight. Your friend, Pete.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 15, 2013, 12:05:33 AM
Not going to wait for raccoons tonight. 2 nights of no-show. Cabela's (the sporting goods store where I bought a rifle) suggested trying cougar urine so I bought some to sprinkle around.

Here we get fire arms from all over the world. I'm sure some are Chinese. I know some are German and Italian. Ammunition comes from many places. Some even comes from Russia!

Henry Repeating Arms is American (from the state of New Jersey). They got flooded out in that last big east coast storm. That makes Henry's in short supply. Their lever action rifles are really nice.

The action is solid and smooth. The brass receiver and all the rest of the brass trim makes them very beautiful rifles. The engraved one is one of 1000 limited edition. It is heavier due to the thicker brass to allow for the engraving which was done by had in New Jersey at their factory before the storm.

Their company motto is "Made in America or not made at all". Interesting motto, promoting a quality American made product. Their rifles are excellent and hold their value. The engraved one will only go up in value.

http://www.henryrepeating.com/rifle-goldenboy-deluxe2.cfm

There is a feeling with the old style lever action rifle. Very nostalgic from the old west. Often referred to as "Cowboy Rifles". Much faster to fire than a bolt action rifle. They were invented back in the 1860's, long before semi-automatic rifles. The sound of the lever to load a round is very distinct - just like the 4 clicks of cocking the hammer of a revolver.

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on June 15, 2013, 12:16:16 AM
Cougar wee? ....  :icon_eek: .. To attract the raccoons or keep them away? ... You Yankees have some weird ass stuff on sale! Lmao!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: ShanghaiPete on June 15, 2013, 02:02:43 AM
Thank you addidasguy for telling me all about your new gun. It sounds very nice. And maybe out will increase in price in future for you.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: ShanghaiPete on June 15, 2013, 02:05:36 AM
So addidasguy why have racoon not come for two nights when they were coming before? Do you think the know you are waiting or is there a smell or something? This is so interesting. Maybe if you do not wait there tonight they will come. So conundrum is how to be there when they are there and you are waiting. I cannot work through this problem at all for you.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: ShanghaiPete on June 15, 2013, 02:18:15 AM
Just talking with uncle on skype and he says to try "batik" trap and he says he thinks that there is youtube video shows you how to make such trap from simple jungle/woodland material.We use it in Malaysia for catching squirells and small monkeys that are causing problems. Worth a shot, as we say.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 15, 2013, 02:27:38 AM
I have a trap I put next to the pond. maybe they smell old raccoon stuff in the trap and stay away. Some of the older raccoons are smart and know what a trap is and avoid them.

I don't care if the Henry Golden Boy Deluxe goes up in value. The rifle looks so wonderful and is really fun to fire. I love it. I got it today and  went with a friend to the Seattle Police Athletic Association gun range. 10 minutes away. $10 to use.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: ShanghaiPete on June 15, 2013, 09:23:17 PM
What racoon was in your garden last night? This is so interesting because I like animals but I never never seen a racoon because we do not have racoon in Malaya and in Ausytalia. I looked at Wikipedia for racoon and they look like an interesting animal. Funny because I saw coon i short for racoon and in my supermarket we can buy coon cheese. I hop coon cheese is not made from racoon. And then my friend told me now that coon cheese-named because of a Doctor Coon who invented that type of yellow slippery cheese. It is all so interesting.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on June 15, 2013, 09:44:24 PM
Dr Coon? ... Can't say I have heard of him ... But then I usually have Mainland cheese... Or Bega
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 15, 2013, 10:31:01 PM
Raccoons might be cute in the wild.
In the city, they are legally classified as a pest (like rats). They get into everything. They destroy garbage cans. Children's back yard pools they get into then destroy. They eat your garden, eat fish in outdoor ponds. They even enter houses through open windows and pet flaps. They are viscious. They will attack cats and dogs.
There is nothing cute or good about them in the city. They have their place - in the country.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on June 15, 2013, 11:21:55 PM
Nice rifles man!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on June 16, 2013, 12:37:30 PM
That is one sweet lever action Addy - I am still looking for a reasonably priced .44 lever action here (3 gun competitions). 

Been looking a while for one of these - Renaissance model FN150 Medallist .22LR.  I have the stock FN and it is fantastic to shoot with. Last one of these went for US$5600

(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y387/kiwingenuity/Renaissance_zpsf85faac2.jpg) (http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/kiwingenuity/media/Renaissance_zpsf85faac2.jpg.html)

There are also a few around with gold inlay as well - just as expensive..
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on June 16, 2013, 01:19:44 PM
That is one sweet lever action Addy - I am still looking for a reasonably priced .44 lever action here (3 gun competitions). 

Been looking a while for one of these - Renaissance model FN150 Medallist .22LR.  I have the stock FN and it is fantastic to shoot with. Last one of these went for US$5600

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There are also a few around with gold inlay as well - just as expensive..

Surprising how similar that looks to a S&W 22A

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on June 16, 2013, 03:40:07 PM
There are quite a few that look similar - the 22A is fairly recent in the scheme of things. Solid design though.   

The FN 150 I own was made in '69 - think the first year of manufacture was '68.  It evolved into the Browning challenger / Nomad and eventually the Buck mark.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on June 18, 2013, 04:15:52 PM
I've just come back from the range. Had a great time. Took my father with me (figured gun range was too busy on Father's day itself since it was a Sunday). He wasn't too thrilled about the prospect of firing anything other than my .380 and .22. Oh well, we had a great time nonetheless!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on June 18, 2013, 07:15:30 PM
My brother has a 1910 .380 - frickin awesome fun - any day at the range is better than most days at work..  :cheers:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 19, 2013, 10:09:37 AM
Just what every father really wanted.....

It was funny seeing all the ads from gun places and air gun shops before Father's Day.

Just what your good 'ol dad wants: a new gun!
Show him you love him by buying him a new gun!

(No one bought me a new gun.  :cry: )


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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 19, 2013, 02:37:23 PM
Get dad one of these. Henry Survival Rifle .22
It all fits in the stock! 16.5" to fit in your backpack.


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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 19, 2013, 04:20:00 PM
Pretty - aren't they?
(http://www.gs500.net/gallery/data/508/henry_rifles_1024x768.jpg) (http://www.gs500.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/312/title/henry-rifles-1024x768/cat/508)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on June 19, 2013, 04:25:26 PM
yep!!  :thumb: ... apart from the nice clean lines and simple design (which is a good thing) ... some really purty pieces of timber there!  :D
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on June 19, 2013, 04:38:58 PM
Here's my new toy... Savage Mark II

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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on June 19, 2013, 05:48:41 PM
nice also Kij !  :thumb: ... good solid bolt handle! .. thats a hell of a comb/cheek rest profile though!

how much bang?.... calibre?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 19, 2013, 09:35:42 PM
In the Henry stock picture, I have the top one and the bottom one.
How can I put a rifle holster on a Gs500 like they do on horses? Wouldn't that be cool?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on June 19, 2013, 09:44:29 PM
theoretically easy enough Addy ... option #1 Leather scabbard/gun bag .. nice solid thick leather back to it for mounting purposes... fix large end to saddlebag rack type thing on right side (cos the can already projects out below) ... fix small end to custom mount plate added to frame just below tank? .. solid type leather foldover flap on open end with weather resistant buckle...

option #2 .. something like this .. with similar mounting points to above .. dont know how much effect on under leg room though?

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Plano-Riffle-Shotgun-Case/17284291?findingMethod=rr

or this one... designed with bikes in mind!!...  :D

http://motorcycle.motorcycle-superstore.com/motorcycle/Gun%20Case
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 19, 2013, 11:06:27 PM
Anyone know where I can find a

Henry Big Boy Deluxe II 357 Magnum

???
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on June 20, 2013, 01:21:37 AM
Hahahahhahaha.... A what? .... You sure that's a rifle you looking for there Addy?? .... Sure it doesn't have to be plugged in to the mains and lubed?  :D :flipoff:

But seriously .... And not questioning your right to own .... But questioning what used for? ... As in .. Suitable calibre? ... Personally I like the .45 LC look better ...  :woohoo:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on June 20, 2013, 03:14:47 AM
Addy stop messing about and go n get a red jacket ar15 with a hydraulic buffer system and stick an espresso machine on it to keep you up till them coins come a skampering in your garbage.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 20, 2013, 10:53:58 AM
Seems no one has a Henry Big Boy Deluxe II in 357. There is one 44 magnum available. Like I need another type of ammo to stock up on.
I ran across this one. A real gold Henry and Pietta pistol with matching serial numbers one of 150 made.
More expensive than a GS500 from a cut throat dealer.
Too beautiful to shoot.
Oh, and gotta start a new stakeout for them coons. They ate the 14" koi. No big ones left.


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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on June 20, 2013, 07:04:51 PM
nice also Kij !  :thumb: ... good solid bolt handle! .. thats a hell of a comb/cheek rest profile though!

how much bang?.... calibre?

Makes it easy to get a good firm cheek weld. It's a .22LR.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on June 20, 2013, 07:14:04 PM
Seems no one has a Henry Big Boy Deluxe II in 357. There is one 44 magnum available. Like I need another type of ammo to stock up on.
I ran across this one. A real gold Henry and Pietta pistol with matching serial numbers one of 150 made.
More expensive than a GS500 from a cut throat dealer.
Too beautiful to shoot.
Oh, and gotta start a new stakeout for them coons. They ate the 14" koi. No big ones left.

What about an Adidas gun?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 21, 2013, 11:14:13 AM
Well, I do have adidas underwear in  case there is a brown-pants episode. No adidas guns or bike gear. Puma (related to Adi Dasler's company) does make some bike gear.

Anyone use Cabrili's or Super Cabrili's? I tried some. They really are silent in a rifle and like a cap gun in a pistol. Actually, there are air guns more powerful than Cabrili's so in a way, why use real ammo when air gun would do better? (when you don't want to make noise at 2am stalking raccoons.....)

Got to be ready. Dam raccoons ate another fish. Will have to bait the trap with old food and just wait.

Anyone into cowboy action shooting? (They use lever actions like the Henry's and single action revolvers.)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on June 21, 2013, 12:11:05 PM
In the Henry stock picture, I have the top one and the bottom one.
How can I put a rifle holster on a Gs500 like they do on horses? Wouldn't that be cool?
Butt foirwards. angled slightly downwards. had a scabbard rig for my gs and sportster. used only to go to or from shooting range. i kept ammo in backpack
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on June 21, 2013, 04:27:53 PM
Anyone use Cabrili's or Super Cabrili's? I tried some. They really are silent in a rifle and like a cap gun in a pistol. Actually, there are air guns more powerful than Cabrili's so in a way, why use real ammo when air gun would do better? (when you don't want to make noise at 2am stalking raccoons.....)

Colibris are quiet, but wouldnt risk them on something the size of a Racoon.  I have used on rats, but you have to be practically point blank range to be immediately leathal.

Havent used the supers though..
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on June 21, 2013, 10:25:23 PM
Something MUCH more effective (and accurate) than Colibri or Super Colibri is CCI Quiet. The CCI Quiet is a 710FPS subsonic load with a 40gr LRN bullet. It's got almost as much punch as a regular .22. Make no mistake, it's by no means silent. Just much more subtle. Other options include CCI CB Short and Winchester CB Long. Both have equivalent sound level to the CCI Quiet but with lighter bullets (and presumably higher velocity).

(http://www.americanrifleman.org/Webcontent/gallery/172/2032CCI_002_PG.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 21, 2013, 10:46:48 PM
Colibri are 375 fps. Super Colibri are 500 fps. They rate it as 11 foot pounds of energy.

Evonix air rifle with 17 grain pellet at 1050 fps is rated at 35 foot pounds.

Clearly the air rifle has more punch than Colibri's. Air rifle goes through 1/4" plywood easy and even through 3/4" with the right pellet. Colibri's just bounce off of 1/4" plywood.

I'll drop a box of those CCI's in my bag and try them at the range. As I recall, they are too loud for city use. Air gun is probably the best choice for coons. How to defend yourself with a banana? And maybe pointed sticks?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on June 21, 2013, 10:59:02 PM
If sound level was not an issue, a .17HMR would be the ideal cartridge for pest control.

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 21, 2013, 11:06:28 PM
Don't want to wake the city at 2am. I'm on top of a hill. Sound goes everywhere.

If sound wasn't an issue, then a .45 long colt would be fun.

Then raccoons can be really loud. They probably would drown out a single pop.

As I said, not much to prevent sound from waking up the city.



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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on June 22, 2013, 12:00:01 AM
Wow Addy... That is such a good view over the houses and hills! ...  :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 22, 2013, 12:18:59 AM
I live at near the top of the 2nd highest hill in Seattle. On a clear day, I have a fantastic view of Mt. Rainer

Oh, and a picture of why I love raccoons so much.



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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on June 22, 2013, 09:45:11 AM
Sons of bitches!!!

And lol at the thought of bowing away a raccoon with .45LC.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 22, 2013, 10:18:01 AM
Sons of bitches!!!

And lol at the thought of bowing away a raccoon with .45LC.
The thought of a .45 LC is there but not the execution of it. Too loud.

They no-showed last night.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on June 22, 2013, 10:50:35 AM
Do th eproper paperwork and get a silencer. ;)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 22, 2013, 01:53:46 PM
Silencer won't go on octagonal rifle barrel.

Pistol: .22 OK but crappy with .357  at 15 yards. Seattle Police range. Nice! Hardly anyone there. Part of the time just the 2 of us in 32 stations and on a Saturday!

Rifles at 25 yards:  with Henry Golden Boy .22 was great. Not bad either with the Henry Big Boy .45.
Interesting that the grouping went vertical with the .45


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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Pieee on June 22, 2013, 09:34:15 PM
just make a one off diy silencer for the night? should be able to work one on for your barrel
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on June 22, 2013, 09:58:19 PM
Wellllll ... A silencer could be made to fit... But would involve a gunsmith lathe and die the barrel end... Then find a suitable screw on silencer.... Hmmmm wonder could a skilled smith make an octagonal silencer?! ... It'd look trick!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 22, 2013, 10:31:44 PM
Air gun will do. I have lots of .22 pellets and a scuba tank full of air to charge it up.
Its all up to them showing up.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on June 22, 2013, 11:19:01 PM
Ooh Idea!! ..... Oh no... Hang on...  :icon_neutral: .... Was gonna say ... C4 moulded into Koi shape! ...  ;) ... A la Caddy Shack!  :D
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Pieee on June 23, 2013, 04:44:59 AM
sorry if i wasnt clear, i meant a makeshift silencer, they dont work as great, but they do considerably lower the resonance in open areas such as the top of a hill  :laugh:

i tried one out with some pvc piping and cotton balls I had laying around, worked really well I was surprised

just saying this so you can expand the amount of guns you can use for your nightly hunt :D
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on June 23, 2013, 09:09:04 PM
Unfortunately, here in the US of A, fitting a suppressor to a firearm without either a Class III FFL or registered weapon is a felony. This includes but is not limited to makeshift suppressors, silencers, etc.. Even putting a pillow over the muzzle to conceal the noise would get you in trouble. Even if that didn't get you in trouble, discharging a firearm in an area like where Adidasguy is located would result in serious charges.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 23, 2013, 09:50:07 PM
Actually Washington State has their own law last year and you can get one. We also allow unregistered private gun sales (usually 25% higher than retail for obvious reasons). No limit on rounds in a magazine or clip.

I would hate to live in CA or DC or Manhattan or a few other places with bizarre laws.

Anyway, no need for suppressor. Air gun is fine when the coons come back around (17gr pellet at 1050 fps is a lot of power). More peperoni in the trap so we shall see. With no Koi, maybe they have moved on. But I want Koi back in the pond so......

Lots of stress. Koi eaten. Mother dementia. An important employee died yesterday (voluntary colonoscopy that went bad. Guys, if you can poop- don't do it.). Trade show in Vegas next week (I don't want to go) so whatever......

2 more nights to catch them coons. Then they get a break before I get really serious.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 23, 2013, 09:53:55 PM
WTB: Looking for:

Henry Big Boy Deluxe II limited edition engraved limited to 1000       .357-magnum / .38-special caliber.

That is all. Let me know. Out.


Oh, best places to find ammo other than gunbot.net or ammoseek.com?

(I know - WTF am I talking about so new to things that go bang? I learn quick and since I can locate GS500 parts all ovcer the world, it is only natural to apply that search skill to other areas. New stress reliever.)

How much ammo should one keep on hand and how much of each type? (i.e. target, personal defense, varmint control, etc.) Assuming one replenishes what is used for practice, what should be on hand just in case the zombies or raccoons show up?

What ammo are best and what brands to avoid?

Re-manufactured (from a reputable company) .vs. new ? ? ? (i.e. reloads)

Best .22's? Worst .22"s?


Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Pieee on June 24, 2013, 06:13:07 AM
This is all from an Australians perspective, also sorry don't know anything about the gun you're after.

How much ammo should one keep on hand and how much of each type? (i.e. target, personal defense, varmint control, etc.) Assuming one replenishes what is used for practice, what should be on hand just in case the zombies or raccoons show up?

I do lots of target shooting in .22 and .223 and I tend to keep aprrox 5 bricks of .22 ammo in SK, CCI Standards, and I use Federal 'Champion' bricks to break in the barrels of new .22s. As for .223 I shoot target, but much less than what I do with .22s so I keep about 200 rounds from various brands (50 of each, hollows, full jackets, etc). But everyone is different and I bet Americans have much better and cheaper access to ammo so stock piles would be larger than what I maintain.

What ammo are best and what brands to avoid?

I stick with mostly .22s and I have found that Federal 'Champion' rounds are very inconsistent and I only use them to shoot aimlessly for barrel break in on new guns as they are very cheap. CCI Standard are very consistent for production ammo at an affordable price, SK target is a bit pricier but you get a nice wet waxy coating with them that keep the barrels lubed up really well.

Mostly it depends on the gun, you need to find the ammo that the gun likes best, two guns made in the exact same production can end up liking different ammo types.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on June 24, 2013, 07:58:21 PM
What sort of lure are you going to try Addy? I have been looking at some recommended options - project Gutenberg has some old books on trapping and lures - found this which might get your visitors out and about.. 

"To a pint of fish oil, add twenty or thirty drops of oil of anise and two ounces of strained honey. Pure fish oil is used by some trappers and beaver castor, muskrat musk and oil of anise are also good."

With regards to your query on ammo / qty - I keep 1440 rounds of .308 FMJ, a couple of bricks of Winchester T22 .22LR and assorted boxes of .410 and 12g shot. 9mm is expensive at the moment, so usually only 200 rounds on hand. A fair proportion is hollow point..

Brands - American Eagle, Hornady, Winchester - I have found good consistency with the .308 in 137-150g projectiles.  .22 is a bit harder with consistency across manufacturers - typically I have never strayed from Winchester or CCI. 12g and .410 - just has to go bang.

Ammo to avoid - Remington "gold" .22 LR - fouls .22s something cruel.  spring for something a little more expensive and you wont have issues - especially if it is a semi.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on June 24, 2013, 08:23:41 PM
Actually Washington State has their own law last year and you can get one. We also allow unregistered private gun sales (usually 25% higher than retail for obvious reasons). No limit on rounds in a magazine or clip.

I don't mean to argue Adidas but the laws governing Class III weapons and/or suppressors are Federal, not state. The same thing applies to AOWs (Any Other Weapon), SBSs (Short Barrel Shotgun), SBRs (Short Barrel Rifle), and select fire/automatic weapons.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 24, 2013, 10:36:11 PM
Well, whatever.
The people at Cabelas said we can get one if we want. About $700 fees. Just mentioning what I was told. Not meaning to start any arguments.
I really don't care about getting one as the air gun is enough for a coon. Or Super Cabrili's in a rifle --- quieter than an air gun.

No fish left. Must get coons. That is all.

Still looking for Henry Big Boy Deluxe .357 caliber.

Now if I had a few thousand dollars to spend on a gold plated Henry .45 LC.............?



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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on June 25, 2013, 12:52:51 AM
Well, whatever.
The people at Cabelas said we can get one if we want. About $700 fees. Just mentioning what I was told. Not meaning to start any arguments.
I really don't care about getting one as the air gun is enough for a coon. Or Super Cabrili's in a rifle --- quieter than an air gun.

No fish left. Must get coons. That is all.


Oh. Well yes. You have to do the ATF form and get approved for it. Sorry, lapse in communication I guess. It's a big hassle for something so simple. It would be nice for a .22.

Now that their source of food is gone, have you considered a large live trap to trap them?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 25, 2013, 01:15:23 AM
Trap: yes. But they don't seem to like pizza left overs or peperoni sticks.
In a few days I will switch to peanut butter and eggs.
Have a couple days away. Then will go full force.

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on June 25, 2013, 11:55:53 AM
This could be a good read - I am not well versed at trying to catch Racoons, but have had to entice possums out (they love their cinnamon and apple)

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/34098/34098-h/34098-h.htm (http://www.gutenberg.org/files/34098/34098-h/34098-h.htm)
Part 13

Good luck  :cheers:

BTW: thats one very nice rifle - .357 would be sweet
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on June 29, 2013, 01:40:10 AM
Couple of interesting antique pieces up in this auction  :thumb:

http://www.artfact.com/catalog/searchLots.cfm?scp=c&catalogRef=PLN7KU3MMG
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 29, 2013, 02:00:55 AM
This one's kind of nice if you like 24k gold single action 45's.


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Post by: Janx101 on June 29, 2013, 02:27:09 AM
Nice! ... .45LC is one of my fav heavy revolver rounds ... .44 mag is popular amongst my former shooting mates... But they make a hell of a crack/sharp recoil ... 45 is smoother recoil  :thumb:

Best revolver I ever used was this http://www.ruger.com/products/vaquero/index.html?r=y

10 metre target ... 6 aimed shots inside 2" circle ... For a 45 not too shabby  :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on June 29, 2013, 09:14:37 AM
not bad at all my friend. 2" grouping at nearly 30ft. thats pretty damned tight
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on June 29, 2013, 10:19:59 AM
This one's kind of nice if you like 24k gold single action 45's.
im loving this revolver. IIRC its an uberti?gorgeous.  :bowdown:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on June 29, 2013, 11:17:01 AM
Pietta.
They make lots of repros of old arms.
Somewhat out of my price range but it was sweet to see and hold with white gloves.
The Henry .45 with the same serial number was there. Super sweet. Nearly drooled all over it. (#27 of 150).
Hard to justify 5 grand for a gun.
Saw it on gunbroker.com and since I was in Vegas I went to see them.
Cleaning instructions for the Henry was 4 pages or more.
Wish I had 5 grand. One jackpot on a slot machine would have been enough.
....Oh well......

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on July 03, 2013, 02:25:57 PM
Funny things people do for auctions.
Auction for a PT92 was $399. Asked why cheaper than others and replay was "I will raise price if that helps" so they raised it to more than Bugs Gun Shop, charge shipping (where Buds has free shipping) so there went a sale.
Another PT92 is on auction "reserve not met" and they even say what the reserve is! $499! Why start the auction below the reserve when you clearly state th reserve and a higher "buy now" price?

Some sellers KNOW that some customers are stupid.

Now where can one find a Walther P88 compact without mortgaging the house?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on July 03, 2013, 02:30:31 PM
Taurus PT92s are great guns I think. I prefer them over the 92FS from Beretta.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on July 04, 2013, 06:14:51 PM
Taurus PT92s are great guns I think. I prefer them over the 92FS from Beretta.
Why Taurus over Beretta? They are virtually identical.
One is a toy and one is a "toy". One taurus one Beretta. Same down to the details and even weight. Uncanny!
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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on July 05, 2013, 09:59:51 AM
Drooled over a CR colt competition ar15  :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on July 05, 2013, 01:37:18 PM
Here's a pretty pair of toys. It would be a shame to shoot one - but it would be really cool to do it.
It would just be cool to own these. I got to see them in person.

(http://www.gs500.net/gallery/data/508/medium/DSC03361a.png)

(http://www.gs500.net/gallery/data/508/DSC03369b.png) (http://www.gs500.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/325/title/dsc03369b/cat/508)

(http://www.gs500.net/gallery/data/508/DSC03367a.png) (http://www.gs500.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/324/title/dsc03367a/cat/508)

(http://www.gs500.net/gallery/data/508/DSC03366a.png) (http://www.gs500.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/323/title/dsc03366a/cat/508)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on July 05, 2013, 02:16:38 PM
Taurus PT92s are great guns I think. I prefer them over the 92FS from Beretta.

I have a soft spot for the browning hi power 9mm myself.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on July 05, 2013, 02:18:53 PM
Am admiring the henry and his italian friend lol
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on July 08, 2013, 03:18:33 AM
Some interesting items in this auction ... Including a few .454 casull revolvers ...   :icon_eek:

http://www.artfact.com/catalog/searchLots.cfm?scp=c&catalogRef=B97K63C5UZ

309 lots all up ... Something to catch everyone's attention eh!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on July 08, 2013, 07:32:20 AM
Some interesting items in this auction ... Including a few .454 casull revolvers ...   :icon_eek:

http://www.artfact.com/catalog/searchLots.cfm?scp=c&catalogRef=B97K63C5UZ

309 lots all up ... Something to catch everyone's attention eh!
Indeed my friend :D Weve got a smith performance center 500 10" bbl i wouldnt mind getting my grubby mitts on. owned its snubby sibling at one time.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on July 08, 2013, 12:37:29 PM
Interesting what can happen in the name of "safety" when an evacuation occurs in your community. This happened in Canada.

Keep your toys hidden and protected. It can happen here a lot easier than in Canada.

Excerpt from World Affairs Brief 
(http://www.worldaffairsbrief.com)

ANTI-GUN TYRANNY IN ALBERTA, CANADA

As I long ago said in my book Strategic Relocation, Canada isn’t any safer than the US because its leaders are yes-men to US globalists. They are even following US thuggish police behavior during natural disasters.

When flooding hit High River, Alberta this year (yes, the name is there for a reason), citizens found Canadian Mounties refusing to let them back into their homes after the evacuation and searching all homes for guns—supposedly for safe keeping. The problem now is that owners have to prove they own them to get them back. ‘It’s just like Nazi Germany,’ says a resident. The Calgary Herald has the story:

About 30 RCMP officers set up a blockade at the checkpoint, preventing 50 residents from walking into the town. Dozens more police cars, lights on, could be seen lining streets in the town on standby.

RCMP revealed Thursday that officers have seized a “substantial amount” of firearms from homes in the evacuated town of High River. “We just want to make sure that all of those things are in a spot that we control, simply because of what they are,” said Sgt. Brian Topham.

I’m not buying the excuse that ‘We’re just trying to keep these safe.” If they had the forces to keep residents from coming back to their homes, they had the forces to keep out looters.

That news didn’t sit well with a crowd of frustrated residents who had planned to breach a police checkpoint northwest of the town as an evacuation order stretched into its eighth day. “I find that absolutely incredible that they have the right to go into a person’s belongings out of their home,” said resident Brenda Lackey, after learning Mounties have been taking residents’ guns. “When people find out about this there’s going to be untold hell to pay.”

Officers laid down a spike belt to stop anyone from attempting to drive past the blockade. That action sent the crowd of residents into a rage. “What’s next? Tear gas?” shouted one resident. “It’s just like Nazi Germany, just taking orders,” shouted another. “This is the reason the U.S. has the right to bear arms,” said Charles Timpano, pointing to the group of Mounties.

Some Canadians really do understand the US constitution. Officers were ordered to fall back about an hour into the standoff in order to diffuse the situation and listen to residents’ concerns. It’s about time.

“We don’t want our town to turn into another New Orleans,” said resident Jeff Langford. “The longer that the water stays in our houses the worse it’s going to be. We’ll either be bulldozing them or burning them down because we’ve got an incompetent government.” Langford blasted High River Mayor Emile Blokland over comments made Wednesday in which Blokland said residents will be allowed to return after businesses, such as hardware and drug stores, are opened. Sgt. Topham said he didn’t know when residents would be allowed to return to their homes. “People much higher up are going to make those decisions,” he said.

–As if resident couldn’t do anything on their own to salvage water damage without hardware stores. The higher up decisions like this are made, the greater the incompetency and delay. This is a Gestapo mentality of Big Brother knows best.

Topham said the confiscated firearms have been inventoried and are secured at an RCMP detachment. He was not at liberty to say how many firearms had been confiscated. “We have seized a large quantity of firearms simply because they were left by residents in their places,” said Topham. The guns will be returned to owners after residents are allowed back in town and they provide proof of ownership, Topham added.

Good luck with providing proof when your personal effects are being destroyed by water and mold. [END]
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on July 09, 2013, 01:35:22 AM
Phone books were delivered today. To use them to test penetration of various air gun pellets, is it best to use them dry or soak the phone book in water first?

I find that I have a need to see which pellet has the best penetration.

Without going to the expense of getting ballistics gel, what other hill-billy home brew things work?
Go buy a cheap chicken or fish from the grocery store? Layers of wet cardboard?

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on July 09, 2013, 05:46:44 AM
Usually only wet them with high calibre high power things ... But ... The wetness does stop the torn up 'confetti' from blowing around on the breeze with repeated testing .... So long as you test consistently with dry or with wet you get comparable results.... The water does increase density somewhat .. But it's more a confetti mess vs water mess at air gun level ..
An alternative .. Not super duper cheap ... But re-usable with some level of care in re-preparation...

... Potters clay block ... Wet ... You can slice it open with wire to check penetration ... Several shots into the 'face' of the block ... Check/slice ... Squish it to fill voids and repeat ... Each squish may produce different density of individual test target .. But at least you can compare a 'set' of shots and determine some differences ... Even if the density between tests would vary a little? ..

Gotta have a bucket of water and a cloth to wash and dry your hands though so you not clay the stock up though...  :thumb:

Cardboard wet is ok ... But most cardboard sheets have a lot of mini voids in the internal corrugation layer .. But a particular shot may get more void or more ribs ... ??

Phone books generally have more consistent density ... But still limited re-use per book because of layer corruption through repeated strikes.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on July 09, 2013, 12:00:29 PM
Without going to the expense of getting ballistics gel, what other hill-billy home brew things work?

Well I am sure there is road kill you could always try  :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on July 09, 2013, 04:09:30 PM
Wetting the phonebook (soaking) will make the tests more consistent. After several shots in a dry one, the pages will start to separate due to the disturbance inside, which can create inconsistencies. Also, like Janx said, it will cut down on all the mess.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on July 09, 2013, 04:28:50 PM
They leave phone books at my door. I don't use them so might as well use them for target practice rather than throwing directly into recycling bin.
The phone companies sued the city for having a "Don't give me phone books" list. So they get to leave them at my door even when I don't want them.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on July 09, 2013, 06:43:27 PM
Without going to the expense of getting ballistics gel, what other hill-billy home brew things work?

Well I am sure there is road kill you could always try  :icon_mrgreen:

(http://api.ning.com/files/wV0YHI3ZwRHprCN8mqik0RxT9ofnA9XJfvBpiZqf5nWZFpXvv69gcnwcuj92zPoszoGrevEQd1Y00dPI4wl2X6j7kY1vNR9P/road_kill_helper_vw.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on July 09, 2013, 09:35:50 PM
Get some of those coons. Yumm-ee! Coon-helper.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on July 11, 2013, 01:32:30 PM
They leave phone books at my door. I don't use them so might as well use them for target practice rather than throwing directly into recycling bin.
The phone companies sued the city for having a "Don't give me phone books" list. So they get to leave them at my door even when I don't want them.
Ive not had a landline in almost 8 years. cards have my cell, and stuff. my old line now goes to an apt at the old folks home. i still get them. use for either target practiv=ce, or to start bonfires
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on July 11, 2013, 10:46:52 PM
Coons have been avoiding things though the neighbor saw them. He still has fish. I'm cleaned out.
So I ordered some raccoon bait in hopes it works better than marshmallows, food scraps and other garbage.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on July 11, 2013, 10:59:51 PM
Coons have been avoiding things though the neighbor saw them. He still has fish. I'm cleaned out.
So I ordered some raccoon bait in hopes it works better than marshmallows, food scraps and other garbage.
Yea same problem with the coons here too :dunno_black:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on July 12, 2013, 12:09:18 AM
Coons have been avoiding things though the neighbor saw them. He still has fish. I'm cleaned out.
So I ordered some raccoon bait in hopes it works better than marshmallows, food scraps and other garbage.
Yea same problem with the coons here too :dunno_black:

oooooooooh .. you went there!!!

(http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs22/f/2009/242/9/2/Sigh_Facepalm_____by_Ghost1334652.jpg)

we aint allowed to bait ours though!  :dunno_black: :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on July 12, 2013, 01:20:08 AM
C'mon I just posted what every one of us Aussies was thinking of posting :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on July 12, 2013, 02:19:14 AM
I was thinking a different word!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on July 12, 2013, 11:55:44 PM
In a brief phone book test, using a thin book (1.5" thick), I found:

Evanix air gun with .22 BB tip pellet through it and 1/2" into a pine board
Evanix air gun with .22 BB tip pellet through it and 1/2" into a plastic coleman cooler
Evanix went through 2" pine block (no phone book) and dented board behind it.
Benjamin Maurader air gun nearly through the book
.22 Colibri's into the book 3/4 the way
.22 Super Colibri through the book and just dented the coleman cooler.

Didn't test standard .22's as did the test inside. I might try one slow sub sonic .22 just to compare.

So the result is that an air gun is more powerful than Super Colibri .22's. Regular Colibri's are probably too weak for coons. Super Colibri's and air gun should easily take down varmints.

For the zombie invasion, look at the Henry US Survival. It looks pretty cool: it breaks apart and everything goes into the stock. Plastic waterproof stock 18" long. Perfect for a back pack or a bag on your bike.

I'm sure it is the same quality as the other Henry rifles. Should I get one?

How cool is this rifle! I find it is an AR-7 originally designed by the Armalite Corporation (who make the AR-15 and other rifles that start with "AR-"). 3 pounds and .22 LR


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Post by: Kijona on July 13, 2013, 08:14:07 AM
I found myself comparing the AR-7 to the Ruger 10/22 Takedown model. Ultimately I decided on the Takedown because of its more user friendly profile. I did not find the AR-7 to be comfortable, either to shoot or to hold. The sights were rudimentary at best, in my opinion. Granted, it is much more compact and packable than the 10/22, but I'll sacrifice that in order to have better usability.

To me, if I hadn't known the AR-7 was made by Henry, I would have never guessed it.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on July 13, 2013, 09:51:08 AM
Coons have been avoiding things though the neighbor saw them. He still has fish. I'm cleaned out.
So I ordered some raccoon bait in hopes it works better than marshmallows, food scraps and other garbage.
Yea same problem with the coons here too :dunno_black:

oooooooooh .. you went there!!!

(http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs22/f/2009/242/9/2/Sigh_Facepalm_____by_Ghost1334652.jpg)

we aint allowed to bait ours though!  :dunno_black: :icon_twisted:
Its only illegal if caught ;) same with gunfire here in clinton. illegal. county yes city no. imon 7 acres in city. my silent mexican ammo works great. borrowed single shot from shop. if funds allow, going to get it. no louder than a bb gun. yet lethal at 50+ft
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on July 13, 2013, 10:23:41 AM
I found myself comparing the AR-7 to the Ruger 10/22 Takedown model. Ultimately I decided on the Takedown because of its more user friendly profile. I did not find the AR-7 to be comfortable, either to shoot or to hold. The sights were rudimentary at best, in my opinion. Granted, it is much more compact and packable than the 10/22, but I'll sacrifice that in order to have better usability.

To me, if I hadn't known the AR-7 was made by Henry, I would have never guessed it.
The original AR-7 was not a Henry. One difference is Henry has orange inside the stock, not black as the original AR-7.
Henry has a rear peephole sight which looks rather nice.
You might look at the Henry Survivor and compare it to the AR-7 you saw before.
The reviews on the Henry are pretty good. I saw it at the store. Quite comfortable to hold and sight.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on July 13, 2013, 12:45:39 PM
Weve got one of the henry survivals in stock. IMHO yes. get one. well built. not fancy like the other ones. or fancy like the pic you posted ( the gold & silver. ) but well worth it imho
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on July 16, 2013, 12:41:10 AM
Today was the usual garbage pick up day. Garbage taken away.


Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on July 16, 2013, 02:18:49 PM
Oh yes?...... Nice of them .... Had more garbage than usual?  :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on July 16, 2013, 02:39:56 PM
Oh yes?...... Nice of them .... Had more garbage than usual?  :thumb:
Id say it staunk worse than taco bell  after intos and cheese Eh? I want to round up enough to get that henry single shot youth rifle  and use the Mexican silent stuff city frownsupon gunfire. coons are here too.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on July 16, 2013, 03:20:44 PM
Oh yes?...... Nice of them .... Had more garbage than usual?  :thumb:
Id say it staunk worse than taco bell  after intos and cheese Eh? I want to round up enough to get that henry single shot youth rifle  and use the Mexican silent stuff city frownsupon gunfire. coons are here too.
Meh - only stank bad Saturday when the sun was out, heating up the black plastic garbage can. Sunday evening and Monday it was cooler so no stankiness for trash pickup day. I double bag my garbage anyway.

From testing, Yama, a good air gun is more powerful than a Colibri or Super Colibri. (The free phone books worked good for testing ballistics). Super colibri's are very quiet in a rifle. Loud in a revolver or pistol. Regular Colibri's are a small pop like a cap gun in a revolver. Given the silence of an air gun and the power, you don't need noisy things with powder to deal with pesky problems. 18 grain BB tipped .22 pellet at 1000 fps packs quite a punch and can go through plywood and pine boards.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on July 17, 2013, 02:06:00 PM
Henry .22 pump action with octagon barrel is sure hard to find.
On the lighter side, coons like to eat marshmallows, so it seems.......
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on July 17, 2013, 02:17:45 PM
Oh yes?...... Nice of them .... Had more garbage than usual?  :thumb:
Id say it staunk worse than taco bell  after intos and cheese Eh? I want to round up enough to get that henry single shot youth rifle  and use the Mexican silent stuff city frownsupon gunfire. coons are here too.
Meh - only stank bad Saturday when the sun was out, heating up the black plastic garbage can. Sunday evening and Monday it was cooler so no stankiness for trash pickup day. I double bag my garbage anyway.

From testing, Yama, a good air gun is more powerful than a Colibri or Super Colibri. (The free phone books worked good for testing ballistics). Super colibri's are very quiet in a rifle. Loud in a revolver or pistol. Regular Colibri's are a small pop like a cap gun in a revolver. Given the silence of an air gun and the power, you don't need noisy things with powder to deal with pesky problems. 18 grain BB tipped .22 pellet at 1000 fps packs quite a punch and can go through plywood and pine boards.
Good air guns are pricy. seems the henry is cheaper. the 22 is easier to move if finances dictate. the jc Higgins is still there at less than 170. HAD a Benjamin air rifle as well as a NICE single chicken ( @ barrel) which would mark concrete at opposite side of bldg. its still there. but id ratherhave the powder based long toys
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: steezin_and_wheezin on July 18, 2013, 08:10:29 AM
New gun owner here! I've always shot shotguns on the friends farm, but just started shooting pistols with friends recently. Really enjoy it, so I've had my eyes peeled for a deal. Put one of my moped projects on craigslist and had a guy offer me 2 pistols, holster, and over hundred rounds- Charter Arms .44 Special and a Bersa .380. Guns looked good so we agreed to do the trade and I'd hold the title until the guns have been tested. Going to get a friend to help with a full field strip and clean then will test a few round through them. Stoked to have something to bring out instead of mooching everyone elses arsenal

(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll129/steezin_and_wheezin/2013-07-17_23-05-41_432_zps539ad3d2.jpg)

I have a lot to learn on a lot of different areas of firearms. I'll definitely be reading over the 40 pages of this thread
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on July 19, 2013, 12:55:49 PM
Need one of these!


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Post by: yamahonkawazuki on July 19, 2013, 01:16:47 PM
the coon cannon Eh?, put wadding inside it, a coon, and launch it to spokane. the 44spl, is a hcarter arms bulldog i believe. i owned one with shaved hammer.  the bersa .380 ive shot. both good guns ;)
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Post by: Kijona on July 19, 2013, 03:12:33 PM
Steezin check your PMs! :)
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Post by: Slack on July 19, 2013, 05:22:58 PM
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll129/steezin_and_wheezin/2013-07-17_23-05-41_432_zps539ad3d2.jpg)

Sweet!

We'll have to ride out to the range past New Castle some time.  311 is a great road and the park firing range is free and normally empty.

I just picked up a Kel tec PF9 today.  Pics once the wife isn't around, she doesn't need to find out for a few more weeks  ;)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on July 19, 2013, 08:21:26 PM
Bought 8 cheap sacrificial fish tonight. 29 cents each. We'll see if they last.
Not sure if the person at petco appreciated me wanting some sacrificial fish to see if they get eaten. No matter. I was the only customer and they had nothing else to do.

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on July 19, 2013, 08:47:04 PM
Bought 8 cheap sacrificial fish tonight. 29 cents each. We'll see if they last.
Not sure if the person at petco appreciated me wanting some sacrificial fish to see if they get eaten. No matter. I was the only customer and they had nothing else to do.

shoulda told them they were prizes for the kiddies at the orphanage for 'keeping a brave face!'  :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on July 20, 2013, 08:39:58 AM
Bought 8 cheap sacrificial fish tonight. 29 cents each. We'll see if they last.
Not sure if the person at petco appreciated me wanting some sacrificial fish to see if they get eaten. No matter. I was the only customer and they had nothing else to do.
live minnows work for this. or goldfish. the minnows sold as bait the goldfish, well are sadly rarely treated as anything mroe than baitfish
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on July 22, 2013, 12:30:34 AM
Saw a TV ad for Henry Repeating Arms! I can't think of any other firearm ad I've ever seen.

Just saw an ad for Glad odor sealing bags with fabreze. Might have to keep a pack of them around just in case.....
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on July 22, 2013, 01:10:35 AM
Cup of coarse salt. ... Swimming pool salt would also do ... In the bag ... Helps keep the stank down too... Critter in .. Salt in... Seal it.... Roll it around a little... Primitive form of curing  :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on July 22, 2013, 07:11:44 AM
Saw a TV ad for Henry Repeating Arms! I can't think of any other firearm ad I've ever seen.

Just saw an ad for Glad odor sealing bags with fabreze. Might have to keep a pack of them around just in case.....
the bags, and the bowling ball mortar. aka frozen projectiles Eh? put prozen projectiles on top of bowling ball. launch into puget sound. ;)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on July 23, 2013, 03:38:18 PM
Today was Christmas in July.

Grumpy Cat book came in!
New Henry .22 pump action!

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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on July 26, 2013, 09:46:01 AM
Still got a coon problem. No fish, but last couple days the lily pads have been torn up. Must be a new one that moved in. No wet footprints on the side walk so must be entering from the back side.

I'm on it. There's a little Davy Crocket still in me.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: steezin_and_wheezin on July 26, 2013, 10:17:58 AM
Sucks on the masked rats adidas

I have a varmint problem as well.. I hate living in 'city' limits(tiny city) with no gun fire allowed. With the new pistol it would be quick work.

We have a semi serious ground hog problem. Next door neighbor's house is the original plantation house before the area was developed. They have nearly destroyed the foundation of his house they've been at it so long. We caught a whole family last summer(2 parents and 2 kids). This summer I've caught 1 and trapped another 1. Now they rarely are out when out after work. Had one in the hole with my trap set and he clawed a new hole around the corner of the trap! Smart bastards.. My next step is snaring, but its pretty cruel. Might get a friend from work to lend me a cross bow

I'll hopefully get to shoot the new pistols this weekend sometime
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on July 26, 2013, 10:20:27 AM
HAHA, davy bringin the toys Eh? keep us informet :)
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Post by: yamahonkawazuki on July 26, 2013, 08:53:55 PM
and lol:
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Post by: yamahonkawazuki on July 26, 2013, 09:25:21 PM
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on July 26, 2013, 09:54:48 PM
Good find yamma that's f%$king awesome.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on July 26, 2013, 11:47:22 PM
Good find yamma that's f%$king awesome.
theres a shootout in KY as well. brb with link.
shootout at ky called knob creek machinegun shoot
daytime
night time is epic. I want to go again
And the UH-1 huey of course :)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on August 04, 2013, 12:44:18 AM
25 yards.
$2 a try. No electronics or optics allowed. Best shot during 2 months gets free 1 year membership to Champion Range.
Looks like I might win this time.
I did 3 tries for $2 each. Iron sights. Henry Big-Boy  .45 Long Colt. 
First was low, left on outer ring.
2nd was high, right on middle ring.
3rd - well, you can see.
(http://www.gs500.net/gallery/data/508/IMAG0218a.jpg) (http://www.gs500.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/354/title/imag0218a/cat/508)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 04, 2013, 02:59:29 AM
 :thumb: ... Nice!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on August 04, 2013, 03:37:16 AM
:thumb: ... Nice!
What he said :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on August 04, 2013, 01:03:09 PM
Hickok addy
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on August 08, 2013, 01:15:14 PM
Browsing stuff, I find odd things our government does.
One place I saw had certain magazines and speed loaders, it said they can not be shipped by post office? What gives? What's dangerous about a plastic speed loader or a magazine?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on August 09, 2013, 10:01:56 PM
Got to buy more marshmallows. Damn raccoons. They ate the marshmallows I put out for them. (I leave the rest to your imagination.)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on August 09, 2013, 11:04:56 PM
The local shop had a 20% off special today so got a field cleaning station, copper solvent, some ammo, powder, primers and a stock refinishing kit so my shooting is set for the next 6-12 months.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on August 09, 2013, 11:27:21 PM
i guess there was a "Starbucks Guns & Coffee" day. Since Starbucks allows guns, all over the country people open-carried in their guns to get a latte.

Unfortunately, I'm not that much of a coffee fan.  :sad:

LAX ammo has a sale tomorrow. Maybe some .45 long colt at a good price. Hope for under 55 cents each. All you want at 70 cents but I don't like paying that much.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on August 09, 2013, 11:37:32 PM
For my swede I'm under $1 a shot. Plus I get brass to reload with. Winning on a few levels there
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on August 09, 2013, 11:39:33 PM
Need more cats (yes, I'm back! Got my credit card bill for ammo and figure I better go back to annoying people with cats for a while and building bikes.)


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Post by: adidasguy on August 09, 2013, 11:41:14 PM
For my swede I'm under $1 a shot. Plus I get brass to reload with. Winning on a few levels there
You can see our prices on gunbot.net
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on August 09, 2013, 11:56:52 PM
That requires effort on my part addy it's a Saturday here lol.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on August 10, 2013, 12:01:58 AM
That requires effort on my part addy it's a Saturday here lol.
Boxers on the couch watching Sponge Bob?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on August 10, 2013, 01:19:48 AM
Maybe.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on August 10, 2013, 01:40:21 AM
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/adidasguy/Videos/tumblr_m15qmys6XN1rqfhi2o1_500.gif) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/adidasguy/media/Videos/tumblr_m15qmys6XN1rqfhi2o1_500.gif.html)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on August 10, 2013, 02:35:08 AM
Exazachery
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Slack on August 10, 2013, 10:00:27 AM
My new PF9 and trusty old G19C  The PF9 isn't that much smaller then the G19, but it's about 1/2 the width!

(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee70/Little-X/Firearms/001_zps6fb2b857.jpg)

Here they both are with their extended mags.  One extended Glock mag has more firepower then 4 extended Kel-Tec mags, lol.

(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee70/Little-X/Firearms/002_zps96d5a88f.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on August 10, 2013, 04:36:56 PM
I do like kel tek stuff the sub 2000 and the cool looking shotgun they do with the 2 tubes
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Slack on August 10, 2013, 06:34:42 PM
I do like kel tek stuff the sub 2000 and the cool looking shotgun they do with the 2 tubes

I'm trying to decide on a next purchase between the sub-2000 and the HK MP5 A5.  The question is which comes first, the toy that's cheap as hell to shoot, or the tool that's 2-3 times as expensive to shoot.  I want them both  :dunno_black:

(http://www.hk22rimfire.com/images/2245260_ls.jpg)

(http://www.hawaiiguntrader.com/wp-content/themes/classifiedstheme/thumbs/152-172-2013-07-17888805.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on August 10, 2013, 06:36:52 PM
Go the kel tek looks sooo cool. Lol.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on August 12, 2013, 03:21:37 PM
I do like kel tek stuff the sub 2000 and the cool looking shotgun they do with the 2 tubes

I'm trying to decide on a next purchase between the sub-2000 and the HK MP5 A5.  The question is which comes first, the toy that's cheap as hell to shoot, or the tool that's 2-3 times as expensive to shoot.  I want them both  :dunno_black:

(http://www.hk22rimfire.com/images/2245260_ls.jpg)

(http://www.hawaiiguntrader.com/wp-content/themes/classifiedstheme/thumbs/152-172-2013-07-17888805.jpg)

The H&K is a piece of crap, just letting you know. The parts feel cheap and we've gotten two that broke after only 2-3 days of being in the store. One had the charging handle completely break off, another the threads stripped on the "suppressor" which, by the way, is just a pipe covering a very thin and crappy looking barrel.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on August 12, 2013, 04:12:54 PM
Started re finishing my Mauser stock today. Varnish stripped off, now steaming out the wood dents
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: wayne242 on August 12, 2013, 04:58:27 PM
http://www.remingtonle.com/rifles/7615.htm

Wouldn't use one.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on August 12, 2013, 05:02:47 PM
I've been recently advised to Stay away from post naughty remmy 700's as the quality has dropped off something shocking.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on August 12, 2013, 08:16:51 PM
I've been recently advised to Stay away from post naughty remmy 700's as the quality has dropped off something shocking.

Also heard the same thing. Savage rifles are far better (trigger, barrel, smoother action, etc.) for about the same price (+/- ~30 bucks).
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: steezin_and_wheezin on August 13, 2013, 11:21:14 AM
Well I'm gun-less now, but not for long! I traded the .44 special straight for a Suzuki FZ50, and just this weekend I traded the Bersa .380 plus a little cash for a Honda MB5.

Looked at a new SAR B6P yesterday, and think I may pick it up this weekend. Brand new with an extra mag for just over $300. It fits my left handedness much better than the bersa which i had planed on keeping. Its a clone of the CZ-75, and i've heard only good reviews about it. Especially for the price they go for.

Here's the Sellers photo;
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll129/steezin_and_wheezin/EAASARB6P_zps2725d0bf.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: steezin_and_wheezin on August 16, 2013, 08:32:55 AM
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll129/steezin_and_wheezin/2013-08-14_18-25-24_996_zpsbf33dc7c.jpg)

Got it out on the range yesterday. Fits my left handyness much better than the 380 or 44. Really liking it, but only got to shoot 20 rounds yesterday. Got to stock up on some 9mm ammo now
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on August 16, 2013, 10:34:09 AM
9mm under 30 cents is now pretty common.
LAX new and reloads are really good. I buy them a lot and never have a FTF. 

http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/9mm/

Now with Herters I get FTF's with 45 long colt and a friend the same with other calibers. We will use up what Herters we have and never buy again.
Iconsistent firing of Fedral .22's (and a few FTF's).  results in some stove pipes in Buckmark due to weak charge - not enough power to push action back and fully eject case.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: john on August 16, 2013, 10:55:46 AM
I will trade 9mm for some .22
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on August 16, 2013, 04:31:05 PM
Stock is repaired and sealer is on. Ready for the sanded in oil finish
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on August 18, 2013, 09:46:12 PM
This pissed be off a little.
3 out of 75 rounds. i wrote to the ammo company. Curious to see what they haveto say.


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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 18, 2013, 09:55:28 PM
.45 LC? ... thats classic old/overworked brass IIRC ..  :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on August 19, 2013, 11:40:56 AM
They say once fired brass. also very unusual. They asked for pictures and what gun was used (2 month old new Henry Big Boy) to rule out the gun.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on August 19, 2013, 11:48:02 AM
Gun is NOT  at fault. You dont use crappy ammo my friend, may i ask what ammo it was? Also make sure b
arrel wasnt harmed

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on August 19, 2013, 12:36:23 PM
The Henry Big Boy is a very strong, thick barrel. If it was the Pietta revolver, it could have cracked the cylinder (thin walled for .45's in a cylinder that diameter).
The company is very concerned about it. LAX Ammo. I never had any problems with their ammo. If they find a problem with over loading the rounds or some other production issue, then they will recall the batch. They do new and reloads (supposed to be once fired brass). It is a rather large, reputable company with automated equipment. Not a home-business or hand re-loader business.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 19, 2013, 03:11:14 PM
Once fired? ... Only if the previous load was a big one! ... But I reckon whoever is turning brass into them for reloading might just be slipping a few many fired cases in! ...

With a good tumbler machine you can turn old cruddy brass into shiny newish looking stuff ... Last time I saw case cracking that bad though was on WWII era .303 cases ... Used about 15 years ago! ... That bloke was THE tightass of the century when it came to ammo! ...  :icon_rolleyes:

.. Edit ... Looking at the case pic again though . ... They may be a reputable company ... But who loaded the cases?.. Contractor? ... Mouth of cases not even/poorly chamfered, different types of brass, inconsistent crimping, I think the one on the left has been tumbled/cleaned? ... Which also hardens the brass.... Not the company fault directly perhaps.... But that's really crap QC!!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on August 19, 2013, 04:16:58 PM
Reputable company. Has their own machines.
They get brass that is supposed to be once fired. Crimp depends on brand of brass.
They offered to replace it with new.
I said I'd run another test and let them know so I know if it is a fluke or production  problem. never had a problem with their reloads before.
Or maybe someone slipped in multi-reloaded brass.



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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 19, 2013, 06:15:51 PM
i dont have facts and figures (for those that want such things) ... but ... those 3 cases... once fired? .. nope!! .. not even close.... even the 2 Winchester headstamps.... could be around a decade or more apart in production...

.. again... if they have their own machines and all onsite yeah cool... not directly their furphy.... but someone is slipping old brass into bulk lots... probably in an effort to clear their own old stocks ...

... cracking of that type... 'can' happen in new brass with imperfections... but its very uncommon... even more so considering the brands of cases to start with!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on August 21, 2013, 04:08:08 AM
Once fired (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/images/smilies/rofl2.gif) (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/images/smilies/rofl2.gif) (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/images/smilies/rofl2.gif)

Odd thing though, that 3 different production run shells should all suffer the same fate. So is probably a reloading glitch on Their machines which is highlighting the multi-fired brass.

As a curiosity, what is the cost difference between their reloaded stuff and new stuff?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on August 21, 2013, 12:10:48 PM
Once fired? doubt it - more like powder too warm in a case that has been fired at least 20 times.. Mister is right, someone hasn't set something up right on the reloading line - it is possible they forgot to lube the cases before they sized them and work hardened the brass (not that it would be an issue with once fired brass).. but never the sight you wish to see.

I have a frustrating issue at present - my beloved FN medallist .22 semi is not feeding properly.  I have cleaned it from top to bottom, checked all the springs, checked all the parts for burrs, even swapped the clip out for one of my brothers (his FN works just fine with my clip). it has a new firing pin, and it keeps picking up a round and jamming it up at an angle into the receiver.

I had our club armourer / local tame gunsmith look over it for me - he has not been able to trace any mechanical fault with the gun (it is built like a swiss watch and he is German so it was difficult getting it back from him), so I am suspecting the ammo may have something to do with it.  This weekend will see me off to the range with:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on August 21, 2013, 01:20:31 PM
I find my buckmark and 10/22 prefer ammo of at least 1100 fps. Weaker stuff like Colibri won't cycle a semi-auto. Weaker ammo won't push the bolt back far enough for proper cycling.
Federal and CCI make 1200 fps .22's that's cheap.
My 10/22 does not like non-ruger magazines. Some don't care but mine is picky.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on August 21, 2013, 01:32:26 PM
Thanks - was thinking perhaps also the profile of the projectile may have something to do with it. Will try some reasonably warm ammo and dial it back.

Fingers crossed it works - Last match I had to retire since I could not participate in the 10sec series..
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Soloratov on August 21, 2013, 06:09:06 PM
I'm with Adidas. I have a Walther P22, and the ONLY thing that will shoot out of it is CCI. Never had one single problem with them...but it's getting harder to find the copper jacket .22 that it really likes. It's a fickle gun, but I like it. My .22 rifle on the other hand, well that will shoot dirt if I prime it right! lol.

Noticing the special cabinet I built is out of room...need more gun slots!

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 21, 2013, 11:14:54 PM
double post... stupid friggin touchpad/mouse thingy on laptop!!  :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 21, 2013, 11:15:25 PM
a lot of semis of whatever brand ... dont like subsonics, low power target stuff, colibri?-forget it! ..

some can be adjusted internally with the springs/slides/rings etc to accept lighter loads...

....

if you want hyper accuracy with low power loads... use a bolt action!

... not knocking semis.. especially the awesome 10/22 !!! ... but you have to feed them the right 'food' !  :thumb:

.. teflon spray has also been experimented with on various actions to help with low friction movement for lower power ammo... done right it is somewhat effective ...  :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on August 21, 2013, 11:32:18 PM
Hey addy.... just asking.... when you say your 10/22 doesn't like Ruger magazines, are you referring to the square one that sits in and flush with the stock or...?

Tested Honardy Vmax in my 17HMR against the equivalent CCI. The Hornady gave tighter groups. At only a dollar or two more for a box of 50 I think it's worth it.

Tested 10 or more different pellets in each of my airrifles. 22 and 177 both prefer JB Exacts.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on August 21, 2013, 11:38:18 PM
I was saying my Ruger 10/22 likes ONLY Ruger magazines.
It hates Butler Creek. It kind of like Champion magazines.
never a misfeed with real Ruger magazines. The lips are not the same as Champion or Butler Creek.

"My 10/22 does not like non-ruger magazines."
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 21, 2013, 11:56:21 PM
'most' of them dont like other mags....

i found it easy enough to just carry a couple extra 10shot mags in my jacket pocket... if i absolutely had to use that much ammo quickly!! ..

... for the general population... you dont need a 30 or 50 round magazine!! ... what you need is to 'miss' less!!  ;) 8)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on August 22, 2013, 01:00:32 AM
Have got my hands on som CCI "Blazer" from a mate - will give it a go - apparently designed to feed through anything really well.

Profile of the projectile is more tapered and it is supersonic - fingers crossed for a succesful weekend plink...
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 22, 2013, 01:30:16 AM
Just keep an eye on particulate buildup with the blazer ... Mostly it's fine .. Occasional 'dirty' production runs/part runs in the past ... Builds up around the throat a little quicker
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on August 22, 2013, 01:46:57 AM
Cheers for the heads up - I know the Remington ammo isnt the best for particulates either..

Thankfully the FN is a whole heap easier to strip than a MK II Ruger... :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on August 22, 2013, 05:02:38 AM
74.99 for 1500 rnds of Remington bucket o bullets of .22 hollow point at my local
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on August 22, 2013, 10:07:43 PM
Real Luger by Stoeger. So old it has "Patents Pending". SN# 9733
Grips look like plastic. They are superbly checkered real wood.


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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 23, 2013, 12:20:08 AM
that IS nice checkering!!  :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on August 23, 2013, 12:31:40 AM
I found these were made in the late 70's until about 1983. Pretty cool - very retro WW-II style. I'll try it out Monday at the Roger Dahl range a few blocks from me.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on August 23, 2013, 03:51:54 AM
That is one nice looking 22 pistol.

I reckon everyone should own a 22 pistol. A Ruger Mark 3 Standard should do nicely  ;)...

(http://www.ruger.com/products/markIIIStandard/images/10104.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on August 23, 2013, 04:12:00 AM
I used to shoot a mates ruger .22 alot. It was fun. Specially doing IPSC style matches
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on August 23, 2013, 07:16:10 AM
Had an old luger back in the day as well as a broomhandle mauser. And a walther p1 aka a p38. Not counting my glock 21, were the best shooting german guns ive owned at one point. Cant really count the glock, its austrian. But i guess i could count it too lol
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 26, 2013, 02:06:10 AM
http://www.artfact.com/catalog/searchLots.cfm?scp=c&catalogRef=GOPOAR8RIY
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Banzai on August 26, 2013, 03:53:13 AM
Enjoy:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on August 27, 2013, 03:56:41 AM
Wow, just found out.... Colt is making a 1911 Specifically for the Aussie market. 9mm  :woohoo: - spoke to the importer today. As they need more stock, Colt will make them to order. Sweet  :thumb: :thumb: :woohoo: :woohoo:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on August 27, 2013, 04:16:29 AM
Wow, just found out.... Colt is making a 1911 Specifically for the Aussie market. 9mm  :woohoo: - spoke to the importer today. As they need more stock, Colt will make them to order. Sweet  :thumb: :thumb: :woohoo: :woohoo:
so for the Aussie market, is the rifling backwards like the way your toilets flush?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 27, 2013, 04:18:30 AM
Again with the toilet thing? ... I've never seen a loo swirl in a circle .... Always more like a waterfall ....  :dunno_black:

... And it wouldn't matter which way the rifling twists I think.... So Nyah!!  ;) :D
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on August 27, 2013, 04:27:48 AM
Bought some Norma brass and a hornady neck size die for the swede.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 27, 2013, 04:39:00 AM
Make sure you check the flash holes in that brass ... And use a primer pocket reamer to smooth them if you have one ... Good brass for longevity ... QC sometimes lacking though
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: steezin_and_wheezin on August 27, 2013, 05:41:10 AM
First clean on my B6P last night. Really liking the pistol! Stripped and cleaned w/o a hitch

Put around 120 rounds through it over the weekend with my gf. Starting to get the first time jitters out and get some decent shots. We only have access to an outdoor range. I have decent accuracy on further targets that are more level with my sight, but can't seem to adjust to targets that are lower and closer. Any pointers from the pros?

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on August 27, 2013, 02:35:17 PM
I guess they're making them for the Australian Market so they don't have to make that many. :)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 27, 2013, 03:47:32 PM
zing!  :icon_rolleyes:

its a pity they went for the 9mm though....

10mm is SO much more entertaining!!  :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on August 27, 2013, 04:05:21 PM
So what's different? Trigger on the lift side like they drive?
Ammo goes in upside down?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 27, 2013, 04:20:53 PM
...  :icon_rolleyes: .... just generally cooler and more manly i think! .. we dont have to carry down every street, generally a simple glare and backhander suffices! ;) .. plus as we have nicer air .... the bang sounds sharper ... the burnt powder smell has deeper tones of cordite .. and the light glints off the metalwork 'ting' ..  :icon_lol:

.. and most of our criminals know that laying the thing on its side and saying "ima gon' cap yo ass Mofo!" .. is generally bad for accuracy .. and grammar! .. most! .. some are delusional from too many late nights watching gangsta movies..

... plus .. we have Emu or Goanna oil  :whisper: ... its well known to improve the smoothness of the actions, decreasing the inertia of firing .. allowing for a quicker follow up shot! .. also gives the metal a more sinister look!  ;)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on August 27, 2013, 04:43:25 PM
Nah they make it so it works properly unlike the yank crap we usually see :flipoff:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on August 27, 2013, 04:48:40 PM
So what's different? Trigger on the lift side like they drive?
Ammo goes in upside down?

(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u99/animalmother85/hk.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on August 27, 2013, 05:00:06 PM
zing!  :icon_rolleyes:

its a pity they went for the 9mm though....

10mm is SO much more entertaining!!  :icon_twisted:

.40S&W = 10mm Short & Wimpy.

<3 10mm
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 27, 2013, 05:16:00 PM
+1 ..

back in the day .. Had a Glock20 in 10mm .. (.40S&W pfft!) .. handloaded Hornady 155gn XTP with 10.5gn Bluedot ..  :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted: ... target loads were 170gn lead TC with 8.5 gn bluedot .. mostly...  ;)

as Clint Eastwood said in Firefox "man.... what a machine!!"
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on August 28, 2013, 04:10:20 AM
I guess they're making them for the Australian Market so they don't have to make that many. :)

Normally, what we have available is only left over stuff after the US has had their fill.

For example: Ruger Mark 3 Target 22lr- on back order as we get US left overs. Meanwhile, the Made To Order always in stock.

Here's an Aussie doing a review of the 1911 9mm Aussie pistol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WdpmBXpADU

Why 9mm and not a 40 cal or 45ACP? I didn't say you couldn't get them based off of the 1911, just that the 9mm is available in Aust only, made only for Aust. And I think the reason the importer had them made is to do with our IPSC rules. See, no more 40 cal. So it's either a .38 super or a 9mm. As such, all scoring is now Minor as well.

The Standard division is dominated by 1911-types. The Open division is dominated by 1911 types and the Classic Must be 1911 types - and in Aust on 9mm 38super or 357Sig

Not saying the Aust champ uses a 1911 in 9mm, just that, as our laws say nothing allowed of 40cal and up for IPSC, then we pretty well only have 38sup and 9mm, so it makes sense to sell a 9mm version from Colt.

If you want to shoot a 40cal or 45ACP, looks like Met Silhouette is it as far as reactionary shooting goes.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 28, 2013, 04:20:52 AM
That's sad.... I can remember an AGM at pistol club ... Where one of the 'hand wringers' put up a motion that all matches start with the words 'commence when ready' ... Instead of Fire! ...

Now IPSC is all Minor? .... That's just so the pussies with excuses about 'bigger than 9' is too heavy hitting and recoils! ... Can have matches their way! ...  :icon_rolleyes:

... Met Sil ... That probably want last much longer if this is the way things are going!! ... "Too much danger/insurance probs from ricochet" .. Or similar ... Thus removing last need for above 9mm ...  :icon_neutral:

... The tree huggers and hand wringers will win in Australia .. Eventually .. Pity the Crims aren't subject to their rules!  :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on August 28, 2013, 04:36:17 AM
I think the simpler solution would have been to have a Minor and Major seperate thing so the limp wristed limeys could shoot their 38supers and those who wanted to shoot 45ACPs could. But the other issue involves the mag size. With nothing over 10 rounds in a mag allowed, the larger mags that you might find in the US, for example, can't shoot here. Sure it limits US shooters from even bothering coming down... but that's how it is. Just means we need to change mags more often - yeah lose some time but oh well.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 28, 2013, 04:56:42 AM
Yeah true... Split the matches would have been fair .... And fair counts how?  :icon_rolleyes:

Even with the Glock ... 15rounds of 10mm ... Could've blocked the bottom of the mag to comply .. But IIRC they ruled it out because of barrel length more than anything else official ...

... Which still made zero difference to the illegal trade!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on August 28, 2013, 01:27:54 PM
Magazines are so fast to change that I think the anti-gun people are idiots. They must thing when a mag is empty that you have to stop to fill it up again. Fast mag swap is under a second.
Use a uplula speed loader and you can refill one pretty fast - not the slow way you see on old TV shows inserting one at a time and pressing down with your thumb.

Fortunately Washington has no limit. CA, DC, NYC and Chicago are some places that have limits. Not like the criminals really care. Only honest people obey the laws.

This is nice.


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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on August 28, 2013, 02:01:03 PM
Wow, just found out.... Colt is making a 1911 Specifically for the Aussie market. 9mm  :woohoo: - spoke to the importer today. As they need more stock, Colt will make them to order. Sweet  :thumb: :thumb: :woohoo: :woohoo:
so for the Aussie market, is the rifling backwards like the way your toilets flush?
i think the bullets fire backwards. not twist backwards  :flipoff: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on August 28, 2013, 02:03:50 PM
i know i can do a mag change maybe a second and a half. no mag max capacity here either. course many places with max mag caps, allow "used" mags from other locations lol.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on August 28, 2013, 02:05:23 PM
shhh  :whisper: .. lets not provoke the anti's into thinking about fast mag swaps eh? .... let them be as ignorant as they are!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on August 28, 2013, 02:10:00 PM
shhh  :whisper: .. lets not provoke the anti's into thinking about fast mag swaps eh? .... let them be as ignorant as they are!
theyre fun to mess with though
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on August 28, 2013, 02:11:04 PM
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on August 28, 2013, 02:33:54 PM
shhh  :whisper: .. lets not provoke the anti's into thinking about fast mag swaps eh? .... let them be as ignorant as they are!
Yep - they might try to say you can only own one magazine.
I guess the Ausies are loaded with ignorant government people that limit you to 10.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on August 28, 2013, 04:09:04 PM
“Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.”
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on August 29, 2013, 05:07:45 AM
Another thing with mag changes. In IPSC, change between stations, while on the go. So it ultimately makes little if any difference to the time taken.

All the rule does is, limit the international shooters from coming down and visiting - with their money. A 45 shooter isn't going to opt for a 9mm just so he can shoot down here, he's just not going to bother. Though I think, this might change IF IPSC was part of the Olympics shooting sports. Heck of a lot more exciting than watching airpistol.  :thumb:

Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.

 This^^^^^^
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Post by: yamahonkawazuki on August 29, 2013, 07:59:35 AM
Finally i agree with betty lol. ENTIRELY and this lol
Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.
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Post by: Janx101 on September 07, 2013, 08:07:16 PM
Yankee Auction!!

http://www.artfact.com/auction-house/rock-island-auction-company-fhdr0mypr7?utm_source=exclusiveemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=rockisland090813
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Post by: slipperymongoose on September 09, 2013, 01:24:00 AM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/09/a4y5u7e5.jpg)

Took my open sighted swedish Mauser to the range and these are my first shots in 7 years at 100m

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/09/unetude8.jpg)

This was fully rested off the bench at 100m, adjustment made to the sight and u was a happy camper
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Post by: slipperymongoose on September 09, 2013, 01:25:12 AM
The three up at the 2 o'clock position were a seperate group of shots I did after the centre ones
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Post by: Janx101 on September 09, 2013, 02:32:55 AM
That looks good! ... Either you need to adjust sight a little left... Or nestle your cheek onto the stock ... Or don't flinch as pull trigger ... Overall right side tendency ...

Unless it was a hell stiff wind...

Nice group overall though!
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Post by: slipperymongoose on September 09, 2013, 04:14:36 AM
Yeah tapped the sight to the right by 25 thou now down to a bit of load development and not snatching the trigger
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Post by: Janx101 on September 09, 2013, 04:27:41 AM
Still a long 'take up' then small push for 'click' ?
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Post by: slipperymongoose on September 09, 2013, 01:39:12 PM
Yep. I somehow like the long take up dont ask me why I just do. Also because the whole thing got re blued there is still some 'roughness' but running more rounds through will sort it. I'm hesitant to pull it down again and polish the mating surfaces
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Post by: bettingpython on September 10, 2013, 12:34:57 PM
Finally i agree with betty lol. ENTIRELY and this lol
Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.

Who?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on September 10, 2013, 12:43:13 PM
Finally i agree with betty lol. ENTIRELY and this lol
Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.

Who?

Mister :)

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Post by: bettingpython on September 10, 2013, 12:45:43 PM

Jerry Miculek is absolutely amazing, with anything he shoots.

This is a friend of mine demonstrating a speed load with Benelli.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201917681494462
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on September 11, 2013, 04:02:42 AM
Finally i agree with betty lol. ENTIRELY and this lol
Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.

Who?

That'd be me. Mr Toe-Rag... achem, I mean, Yama, thinks it's funny to call me Bitching Betty. Yeah, funny the first 43 times, now it's just stale.  :icon_rolleyes:
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Post by: adidasguy on September 11, 2013, 10:45:19 AM
I love lever action rifles. Champion indoor range allows .223's and knowing I love levers, they found there is a Browning lever action .223. Got to find one of those.
Interesting - levers are not popular these days. But look at all the old cowboy movies and old photos, levers were the standard!
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Post by: slipperymongoose on September 11, 2013, 03:08:09 PM
I'd love a model 92 or 94 re chambered in 357 magnum. Saw one on Hickok YouTube channel and looks so fun
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Post by: mister on September 12, 2013, 04:37:51 AM
I love lever action rifles. Champion indoor range allows .223's and knowing I love levers, they found there is a Browning lever action .223. Got to find one of those.
Interesting - levers are not popular these days. But look at all the old cowboy movies and old photos, levers were the standard!

Had a lever action 22. Sold it. Wish I'd kept it now.

As for 223 and up.... I think the issue is... pointy projectile sitting in a real good position for the next primer. So unless the ammo makers are gonna make a heap of round nose stuff, the cost of ammo, I would think, makes the lever action less appealing. Plus... they aren't cool. Haven't you heard... unless it's stainless steel with a varmint barrel and can take out a ground hog at 300 yards - or - it'll pump lead into the target like a mini gun, it's not gonna sell.
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Post by: Janx101 on September 12, 2013, 04:52:22 AM
Part of the movie thing to some degree ... Lever action ... Very manly kind of action ..

I'm not 100% certain ... As always ... But I reckon single shot drop blocks and very basic/early levers or rolling blocks... Spencer, sharps ... Etc ..

The winchesters and such were popular later but expensive and not quite as 'everywhere' as Hollywood might suggest ...

Just my perspective
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Post by: mister on September 12, 2013, 05:07:50 AM
Plus, you can't hold 'em like a gansta...

(http://newsasylum.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Gangsta-Shooting-Guide.jpg)

Conspiracy: get all the wannabe hoodlums to think this is how you hold a pistol to shoot, and there will be...

Less people shot - reduced medical bills  :thumb:
More ammo spent - increased spending on ammo  :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on September 12, 2013, 05:15:24 AM
And with a bit of luck someone will not hold the gat right enough and it'll recoil spin into the head and remind them not to be a fool!
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Post by: mister on September 12, 2013, 05:22:51 AM
Like this?

(http://media0.giphy.com/media/rq6OHcugpcAw/original.gif)
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Post by: Janx101 on September 12, 2013, 05:24:19 AM
Yeah , that one always make me laugh!! ..  :D
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Post by: bettingpython on September 12, 2013, 06:41:48 AM
I love lever action rifles. Champion indoor range allows .223's and knowing I love levers, they found there is a Browning lever action .223. Got to find one of those.
Interesting - levers are not popular these days. But look at all the old cowboy movies and old photos, levers were the standard!

I like my Winchester 94 in 30.30, it's light, and compact enough to handle well in the brush but it has it's limitations.

I have an AR i built in 300AAC blackout which is comparable to the performance of the 30.30 Winchester. It's compact, is extremely fast handling, and I run a 1-4X optic on it. At 1X I can get a flash sight picture almost as fast as a red dot and when the distances open up I can quickly dial up the magnification to 4X so I can see.

I hunt for meat during dear season, not the challenge of doing it in a traditional manner, definitely not to get a big ole trophy rack either, I'll pass on a big old buck and take a nice fat tender doe or young buck any day , so as much as I like my Winchester it spends a lot of time in the rack. Occasionally I'll get a whiff of nostalgia and go wander around the woods with my 94 but not often.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on September 12, 2013, 10:14:31 AM
I love lever action rifles. Champion indoor range allows .223's and knowing I love levers, they found there is a Browning lever action .223. Got to find one of those.
Interesting - levers are not popular these days. But look at all the old cowboy movies and old photos, levers were the standard!

Had a lever action 22. Sold it. Wish I'd kept it now.

As for 223 and up.... I think the issue is... pointy projectile sitting in a real good position for the next primer. So unless the ammo makers are gonna make a heap of round nose stuff, the cost of ammo, I would think, makes the lever action less appealing. Plus... they aren't cool. Haven't you heard... unless it's stainless steel with a varmint barrel and can take out a ground hog at 300 yards - or - it'll pump lead into the target like a mini gun, it's not gonna sell.
The Browning BLR has a box magazine rather than a tube.
I now know it operates like a bolt: the bolt actually rotates like a bolt action. The lever is a more convenient method of pulling the bolt back because you don't have to take your hand off of the trigger.

Record holders can do 10 shots in 2.5 seconds with a lever. I doubt any bolt action could get off 10 shots in 2.5 seconds. I think anyone that hasn't tried a lever gun should.

While pump actions are more for shot guns, are the .22 pump's made by Remington, Winchester, Browning and Henry. They are so fun - like old school carnival shooting galleries. And they are very fast to shoot.

another cool thing on .22 levers or pumps is they take shorts, longs and LR's. You can even mix them in the feed tube.

I'm sure California is gong to have a cow over it now that they are banning new sales of ANY semi automatic rifle, requiring lead free ammo, registering of every rifle and even more to take away the 2nd amendment rights - all because of one craze a few years ago that shot kids in a school.

Someone needs to step up and say these things are insane "feel good" laws and we have to understand you "can't stop crazy" no matter what laws you pass. Crazies and criminals don't follow the law.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on September 12, 2013, 03:01:39 PM
How many shots did the Brits get off in the mad minute with their 303's
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Post by: adidasguy on September 12, 2013, 08:33:38 PM
Time for more cats!


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Post by: yamahonkawazuki on September 13, 2013, 02:47:00 PM
Always time for more cats :)
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Post by: Soloratov on September 15, 2013, 02:40:45 PM
Figure this is as good a place as any...doesn't really fit in the for sale area since it's not bike stuff. I am trying to get rid of a pile of mags I inherited from my uncle. I came home this weekend from cleaning out his house with a HUGE pile of great stuff, but being in NY I need to sell some 9mm mags out of state. I have (2) 18rd, and (3) 15rd 9mm mags for a Taurus PT92/99. THEY DO NOT FIT A BERETTA unfortunately.

If anyone wants them, or knows someone who could take them, I'd sell for $125.

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on September 17, 2013, 11:43:17 AM
They're baaaaaack!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on September 18, 2013, 12:42:47 AM
When shooting a pistol....

Forget the Weaver stance...

Forget the Isosceles stance

Introducing the Modified Isosceles Gansta "Time-Warp" Porn Stance

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on September 18, 2013, 02:01:39 AM
Bahahah ... Bit of a larrikin there!! :D
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Post by: yamahonkawazuki on September 18, 2013, 11:53:57 AM
Whats a gansta?
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Post by: adidasguy on September 18, 2013, 12:36:55 PM
Whats a gansta?
This......


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Post by: yamahonkawazuki on September 18, 2013, 01:31:43 PM
Lol its shootin you one go to he** look lol
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Post by: adidasguy on September 19, 2013, 01:44:10 PM
Seems Target Sports made mistakes shipping .223's. They had a sale for a case. a case came but with only 200, not 500.
Called them and immediately said they would ship the balance. No questions asked at all.
I guess shipping thought a case had 500, like they usually do, rather than only 200 (10 boxes of 20 packed with LOTS of empty space).
I don't have a .223, but I understand you can throw them at zombie rats.
Anyone have a Browning BLR .223 stainless with 20" barrel lever action?
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Post by: slipperymongoose on September 19, 2013, 03:08:05 PM
Nope but soon I'll have the lithgow la101 in .223 when it's released.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on September 21, 2013, 10:47:39 AM
 :cookoo:   :2guns:  raccoons just never learn......   :flipoff:
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Post by: Kiwingenuity on September 23, 2013, 12:15:50 PM
Well this looks fun...

http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/airborne_combat_engineer/2005/01/the_thunder_50_.html (http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/airborne_combat_engineer/2005/01/the_thunder_50_.html)

Not sure I want to try a .50BMG in a handgun.. .50AE is bad enough.. 
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Post by: adidasguy on September 27, 2013, 12:05:39 PM
(http://www.gs500.net/gallery/data/507/runforthehills.gif) (http://www.gs500.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/478/title/runforthehills/cat/507)   (http://www.gs500.net/gallery/data/507/reaction.gif) (http://www.gs500.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/477/title/reaction/cat/507)

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Post by: yamahonkawazuki on September 27, 2013, 12:13:21 PM
have zombie ammo in 12ga as well as i think 380
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Post by: adidasguy on September 27, 2013, 12:29:00 PM
Zombie ammo is short supply. Found 9mm and .223 today.
Too bad they don't Coon-max or Possum-max ammo.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on September 27, 2013, 12:40:28 PM
forgot about the .223 lol. funny thing is the zombie 12ga is repackaged 00 buck
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on September 27, 2013, 02:46:59 PM
(http://www.gs500.net/gallery/data/507/snipersmilie.gif) (http://www.gs500.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/481/title/snipersmilie/cat/507) The 9mm is also repackaged Hornady defense ammo except the center is dayglo green plastic rather than red.
 Same price. You buy it for the packaging 'cause it's cool! (http://www.gs500.net/gallery/data/507/jumping0047.gif) (http://www.gs500.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/472/title/jumping0047/cat/507)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on September 27, 2013, 07:21:34 PM
made for all the crackhead "zombies"
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on September 27, 2013, 07:36:29 PM
NEVER use Zombie Max for personal defense. I can see lawyers having a field day if you used it to protect yourself. Read the fine print! Funny - but you know how anal lawyers can be. Only for zombies - not anything living. They can't take a joke. You know that.

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Additional Information:

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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on September 27, 2013, 09:14:32 PM
(http://www.gs500.net/gallery/data/507/snipersmilie.gif) (http://www.gs500.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/481/title/snipersmilie/cat/507) The 9mm is also repackaged Hornady defense ammo except the center is dayglo green plastic rather than red.
 Same price. You buy it for the packaging 'cause it's cool! (http://www.gs500.net/gallery/data/507/jumping0047.gif) (http://www.gs500.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/472/title/jumping0047/cat/507)
we actually have a zombie .223 I believe at the shop. the colourscheme lol. will try and get a picture of it. my phone atm looks like a van gogh painting on acid. ( cant see much of anything so I really don't know it if will turn out lol. )
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on September 27, 2013, 10:11:42 PM
The weapon is not as important (to lawyers) as the ammo. That's why you do NOT EVER use reloads for personal defense. Shoot someone and they will jump on your ass accusing you of loading deadly ammo. You can't prove what was in your gun UNLESS it is factory ammo. I think we even have some laws regarding reloads as personal defense ammo. I believe it is illegal in Washington.

Factory ammo only for concealed carry or bedroom intruder defense.

The ammo causes the damage. The weapon is just a holder for the bullet and has little affect on what it does.

(Anything is OK for them damned 'coons.)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on September 27, 2013, 11:23:07 PM
Agreed. not law here for reloads, but CAN be a liability. in this litigious society, = shoot someone count on getting sued
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Post by: slipperymongoose on September 27, 2013, 11:42:50 PM
That sucks big time hey by the sounds of it. If the projectile and load are in the safe ranges of the round why the hell not?
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Post by: yamahonkawazuki on September 27, 2013, 11:46:58 PM
Ehh once a round is shot, cant prove what was in or was not in it. I guess you COULD video each round made.  we do move some .223 factory reloads. but fwiw for home defense, id use new rounds. for recreational shooting id use reloads.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on September 28, 2013, 12:02:36 AM
Well for a carry gun I guess a box of factory ammo is ok but geez you'd think this thing is to save your life you'd want the most effective round doing the most effective job. Something you'd only have to fire once at a target.
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Post by: adidasguy on September 28, 2013, 12:15:42 AM
true - but when you hit someone and do damage lawyers can claim you had rounds designed to do extreme, maximum damage and will rake you over the coals. You can get really effective factory ammo.

One guy said he asks the local cops what they shoot - then buys the same. If you shoot what the cops use, they can not accuse you of using excessively damaging ammo.

Shooting someone is serious so protect your ass before the event. Plan for the worst.

You don't need super damaging ammo. If you have to shoot someone, they will be close to you. (If far away, they can say you could have run away.) Pistols good to 5-10 yards. Beyond that, you should have run away. ANY ammo will do damage at close range. A well placed .22 can kill. Heck, a good air gun can do serious damage. Often a hit will make the intruder flee or be shocked enough you can get off a few more rounds.

While you are protecting yourself with a gun, be ready to protect yourself against the lawyers.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on September 28, 2013, 12:50:55 AM
Not the Wild West anymore hey?
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Post by: mister on September 28, 2013, 02:24:04 AM
If you have to shoot someone, they will be close to you. (If far away, they can say you could have run away.) Pistols good to 5-10 yards. Beyond that, you should have run away. ANY ammo will do damage at close range. A well placed .22 can kill.

Yup, and you could offload a quick 10 rounds of .22 from your Buckmark and they'll be just as dead if it was a 9mm or 45.

If they are 25 yards away and you're shooting them with a pistol, any claim of Self Defense is out the window. 10 yards or less, sure. But more? Unlikely.

Remember folks.... running away is winning. Hanging around is not self defense, it is fighting.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on September 28, 2013, 02:30:27 AM
Not anymore. Lawyers. Public opinion. A few crazy people ruining it for everyone. Zero tolerance crap where only criminals will have guns.

Fortunately in Washington we can legally open carry anything. Some people freak out but it is perfectly legal even if you don't have a concealed handgun permit. Wear a holster. Sling a rifle over your back. All legal here.

In Washington, we can do private face-to-face cash gun sales with zero registration so you can have guns that are "under the radar". We can't do private sales across state lines.

This state is pretty liberal. If you want goody laws - look at California, Colorado, DC, Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey and Chicago.

So things - some good, some bad. Meh - do what you can and prepare for the Zombie Apocalypse.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on September 28, 2013, 07:11:32 AM
One thing i DID miss about AZ. it being an open carry state. here in tn no laws yet on FTF.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on September 28, 2013, 10:43:41 PM
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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Zookmang on September 29, 2013, 01:51:21 AM
Only in america. :)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on October 01, 2013, 05:20:48 PM
Ammo prices are going down.
22LR for $2.99 a box
9mm Magtech brass for $14 a box.

This is sweet - a Marlin 30-30 lever action.

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Post by: Old Mechanic on October 01, 2013, 06:40:32 PM
At 5 cents a round, my .22 inventory is worth $1500. My concealed carry weapon is a H&K P7 (actually a PSP) German police issue, one of the last ones made under a replacement contract in 1995. That .22 ammo will last me the rest of my life going through my 1932 Winchester Model 52, either with the original iron match sights or my Lyman Super Target Spot. I've had a permit to carry since 1990 and never had to use it. Been reloading since the 1970s.

regards
Mech
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on October 02, 2013, 12:11:36 AM
nice rifle Addy ... but 30-30? ... bit of a punkin chucker!? ... hrm..... go for a 45/70 !!  :icon_twisted:
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Post by: yamahonkawazuki on October 02, 2013, 12:12:56 AM
had an opportunity to grab a Winchester 67. let that one slip away. have a few boxes of the silent 22lr siting about ive not used. and have 20 skunks that patrol the yard at night, ( city frowns upon gunfire lol) wont work for the half dozen deer during day lol.
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Post by: yamahonkawazuki on October 02, 2013, 12:14:42 AM
or a 338 lapua
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Post by: Janx101 on October 02, 2013, 12:38:27 AM
marlin do a 338?  :icon_eek: .. dunno? ... its the 'popular' sniper round... but a hell of a recoil!! .. even with a big custom stocked bolt action  its still a heavy hit! ... imagine that much force channeling back through a relatively lightweight marlin unit!!! ... goodbye clavicle integrity!  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on October 02, 2013, 12:42:15 AM
nice rifle Addy ... but 30-30? ... bit of a punkin chucker!? ... hrm..... go for a 45/70 !!  :icon_twisted:
I started with an airsoft gun 6 months ago and am slowly working my way up in caliber. Be patient. Soon there will be an ICBM in my yard to really take care of raccoons once and for all.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on October 02, 2013, 12:48:37 AM
before the ICBM ... build yourself some serious steel plate fencing .. like... im thinking 15-20mm or so... errr... 3/4"-1" kinda ... and pickup one of these...

on dem raccys you'll have no carcass to remove... just fertiliser mist dropping gently to ground..

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Post by: slipperymongoose on October 02, 2013, 01:56:52 AM
It's a pity they went bust
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Post by: yamahonkawazuki on October 02, 2013, 03:43:29 AM
janx id hate to see the ricochets from that one lol
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Post by: mister on October 04, 2013, 12:41:00 PM
338.... what are ya, a kitty cat? Get a man's gun. Get a 458WM! :o
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on October 04, 2013, 12:50:32 PM
nice rifle Addy ... but 30-30? ... bit of a punkin chucker!? ... hrm..... go for a 45/70 !!  :icon_twisted:
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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on October 04, 2013, 01:38:55 PM
My permit came in yeaterday so in the next few days I will take possession of a Howa 1500 in 22-250 with a ballooned barrel. When it's done it'll have a match grade stainless 308 barrel and a blueprinted action. I can see many a pig, roo, and odd feral cat falling to this rifle plus a few well placed shots at a reasonable distance.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on October 04, 2013, 11:21:12 PM
Watching Anthony Bordane on CNN - his "Parts Unknown" show and all about guns and shooting and the old west.

Now that you have papers, too bad you can't come here and take toys home. It is interesting living here in Washington. One of the states that allows face-to-face private sales with zero paperwork. We can't sell across state lines so in WA sellers want to see your WA drivers license. It is fun to meet a seller and talk gun stories for a while when doing transactions.

Here are a couple toys I never knew about.
Seems the Bersa Thunder in .380 is a very popular and highly rated personal defense gun. Made in Argentina. Under $300. A PPK knock-off. It is loaded with interesting safety features like a trigger disable when the magazine is removed; decocker that blocks the firing pin and other things.

Then there is the off Ruger: a lever action 96/22. It uses the same magazines as the 10/22. Never knew there was a Ruger lever action.

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Post by: slipperymongoose on October 05, 2013, 12:37:54 AM
I had one of those with a scope and god it was good bad sadly had to part ways with it.
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Post by: adidasguy on October 05, 2013, 01:16:01 AM
This one is real pretty.
Limited edition in matt black & gold.


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Post by: slipperymongoose on October 05, 2013, 02:59:37 AM
I could get all 10 shots off in a few seconds with that ruger. Down under they sell for around a grand
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Post by: yamahonkawazuki on October 05, 2013, 09:18:00 AM
weve sold quite a few of those bersas, btw addy where you finding that 22lr?, we order thousands of rounds of 22, mainly cci blazer
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on October 05, 2013, 11:02:32 AM
I could get all 10 shots off in a few seconds with that ruger. Down under they sell for around a grand
It uses standard Ruger magazines. I've seem 25 and 30 round magazines in the store. I think someone makes a 100 round drum for Ruger's.

Yama - here in WA you can have private sales. It is fun to browse the ads and see what people have for sale.We have some good arms message boards with for sale sections, where to shoot, gun smithing, tips, gun law sections and other areas. Interesting to read and browse.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on October 05, 2013, 11:14:36 AM
I could get all 10 shots off in a few seconds with that ruger. Down under they sell for around a grand
It uses standard Ruger magazines. I've seem 25 and 30 round magazines in the store. I think someone makes a 100 round drum for Ruger's.

Yama - here in WA you can have private sales. It is fun to browse the ads and see what people have for sale.We have some good arms message boards with for sale sections, where to shoot, gun smithing, tips, gun law sections and other areas. Interesting to read and browse.
yup i enjoy the FTF sales. usually id get a copy of dl if i was selling, or buying, and a written bill of sale. a CMA if you will. ( cover my a**)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on October 06, 2013, 03:05:51 AM
It was interesting today. Sunny, so I went to the police range. Nice because hardly anyone goes there. Though today was VERY crowded - I think 5 of the 32 pistol stations were used. For a while there was even a supervisor/instructor there! Got a few tips.

Talked to people and it seems that those that know of the Bersa Thunder know it is a really good, inexpensive concealed carry gun. Otherwise, they have never even heard of Bersa.

Ammo supply is weird. .223 is like pallets of it. .22's sell out as fast as anyone can get them. Tons of .45acp. One store now has 9mm brass at $14 a box of 50. Some stores have no 9mm at all. 30-30 is impossible to find in the stores. Has to be ordered. Even the police range didn't have any. Lots of other oddities. Though for the most part it seems like the ammo shortage is easing up. You can find .22's under a dime. Probably everyone has 100,000 rounds stored for the zombies and have run out of storage space so they stopped buying and now there is more for the rest of us.

Do you Ausie's have ammo problems or is it so regulated and expensive you don't shoot much?

Anyone have a a Springfield 9mm EMP? It looks pretty cool - a miniature 1911.
http://www.genitron.com/Handgun/Springfield-Armory/Pistol/EMP/9-mm/Variant-1
(http://www.shootingtimes.com/files/2010/09/stspemp_010807binset.jpg)

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on October 06, 2013, 03:16:51 AM
I'm ready. Just I don't have anything that shoots .223 so I guess I throw the box at the zombies.
(http://www.gs500.net/gallery/data/508/DSC03604a.JPG) (http://www.gs500.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/496/title/dsc03604a/cat/508)

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on October 06, 2013, 11:26:22 AM
Well it has been an interesting weekend - finally got a morning off at the range to try sort of my FN150..

Lets start with the good - scored a nice set of wooden grips for my MK II.. $30.. not a bad score (I must get a dam scope on this thing)
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y387/kiwingenuity/MKIIGripLHS_zps7430e8bf.jpg) (http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/kiwingenuity/media/MKIIGripLHS_zps7430e8bf.jpg.html)

Now I went along to try sort out my FN - has been jamming like no tomorrow.. At first I had assumed it was the clip since it has been dropped probably more than once in its life, and the wall of the mag has been straightened. After borrowing my brothers mag, same issue.. Tried all flavours of ammo, same.. then I thought about the fact the firing pin had been replaced.. when it had been re-crowned.

Low and behold, I think I found the culprit after a few jams - classic fail to feed - seems the spring that returns the firing pin to its seated position is a bit marginal.. Took a lot of rounds to catch it in the act.
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y387/kiwingenuity/FNJammed_zps1b26c5ac.jpg) (http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/kiwingenuity/media/FNJammed_zps1b26c5ac.jpg.html)

Now I just have to track down a firing pin and firing pin spring for a firearm that was manufactured in 1969.. If anyone knows a good FN / Browning dealer who is happy to ship to NZ, please let me know..
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on October 06, 2013, 01:33:36 PM
Do you Ausie's have ammo problems or is it so regulated and expensive you don't shoot much?

We can get whatever ammo we need. That's because we don't panic buy and run out supplies  :thumb:

Although, primers are hard to come buy in large quantities  :dunno_black:

If it comes to American Made, it is harder.

For example, the Colt 1911 in 9mm is made by Umarex, shipped by Walther (both German companies) and branded Colt. So no supply issues. But, any Ruger 22lr pistol is not available and not even the importer knows when they will be getting any - but they think at least 12 months as Ruger is flat out fulfilling US orders for all kinds of semi-autos.

Cost of ammo, while more pricey than in the US, isn't bankrupting.

Eg. Only $7 or so for a box of 50 Winchester Power Points (22lr) and $67 for a brick. $60 for a brick of CCI 40gr standard. While you can get those buckets of 1,400 for around $80 from memory. Though 17HMR has maybe jumped five bucks or so from around $24 a box of 50 to around $29 - but it's odd cause you can get it for $22 a box in one brand and $29-ish in another, for essentially the same thing as it all comes from the same factory   :cookoo: :dunno_black:

But go to a different store and you can get a brick of CCI for $39 and 5,000 for $320. While a brick of 17HMR is had for $165.

Centerfire is obviously more pricey. Look around and you'll find 223 for $30 for 50, but usually $15-$39 for 20 depending on brand. Price of a brick of this is up around the $300 mark. Some brands over others under.

Strangely, there was a little difficulty getting some airgun pellets in a few years ago as Europe was panic buying them and the factories were at full capacity just to keep up with That demand. But no issue now.

Sounds to me like you need to get yourself a 223 so you won't have to throw the box of ammo at Zombies and can shoot them instead.  :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on October 06, 2013, 01:49:48 PM

Now I just have to track down a firing pin and firing pin spring for a firearm that was manufactured in 1969.. If anyone knows a good FN / Browning dealer who is happy to ship to NZ, please let me know..

You might have better luck getting a new spring made for it. Hit up the NZ Air Gun forum. I was going to suggest http://www.nzairgunners.com but the forum seems to be down - shame cause there is a LOT of info there.

Why airgunners? Cause when they Tune their Springers they often get the spring remade and changed out with the old spring. And they would know Who can make a new spring for cheap.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on October 06, 2013, 04:16:08 PM

Now I just have to track down a firing pin and firing pin spring for a firearm that was manufactured in 1969.. If anyone knows a good FN / Browning dealer who is happy to ship to NZ, please let me know..

You might have better luck getting a new spring made for it. Hit up the NZ Air Gun forum. I was going to suggest http://www.nzairgunners.com but the forum seems to be down - shame cause there is a LOT of info there.

Why airgunners? Cause when they Tune their Springers they often get the spring remade and changed out with the old spring. And they would know Who can make a new spring for cheap.

That's a good idea! ....  :thumb:

I'll ask around a few people also though .... My old boy knows a 'few' browning type people ...  ;)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on October 06, 2013, 05:28:39 PM
Would be great to know if someone "knows someone" - I have already made contact with the gunsmith who actually made the new firing pin - it may be that it needs a good polishing.  That being said, I could always do with a spare or two  :thumb:

The club armourer also indicated he may know someone in the EU that is willing to send "sewing machine parts" like springs and such..  ;)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on October 06, 2013, 05:32:10 PM
kiwi, lmk I may be able to track down some sewing machine parts.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: steezin_and_wheezin on October 07, 2013, 08:26:30 AM
This one is real pretty.
(http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60761.0;attach=1335;image)
Limited edition in matt black & gold.

That thing does look pretty nice! I had the first .380 that bersa came out with, the old model 98. It was a fun gun to shoot, but didn't fit my left handyness. It had a right handed thumb rest on the left grip. Great for right handers, but it was directly under my pointer knuckle when aiming to shoot lefty. I would like to try their newer Bersa Thunder, i've heard a bunch of good reviews on it
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on October 08, 2013, 10:46:40 AM
Do you Ausie's have ammo problems or is it so regulated and expensive you don't shoot much?

We can get whatever ammo we need. That's because we don't panic buy and run out supplies  :thumb:
[...]

Nice dig at Americans...allow me to throw one back:

Americans are afraid of the country becoming like Australia and THAT'S why people ran out and bought everything up. In fact, Australia is a common example used when people make the argument about gun laws and their ineffectiveness.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on October 08, 2013, 12:11:31 PM
Time to impose a ban on umbrellas.    :bs:

Large umbrella triggers lockdown at Issaquah schools

ISSAQUAH, Wash. -- Three schools in Issaquah were briefly in lockdown Monday afternoon after someone reported what appeared to be a man with a long-rifle walking onto the campus of Issaquah High School.

Students and faculty at the high school, along with nearby Clark Elementary and Issaquah Middle School were told to stay in their classrooms as a precaution while police searched the campus.

A short time later, investigators located the man in question and it turned out he was a school district employee carrying a large umbrella, Issaquah police said.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on October 09, 2013, 12:58:55 AM
Do you Ausie's have ammo problems or is it so regulated and expensive you don't shoot much?

We can get whatever ammo we need. That's because we don't panic buy and run out supplies  :thumb:
[...]

Nice dig at Americans...allow me to throw one back:

Americans are afraid of the country becoming like Australia and THAT'S why people ran out and bought everything up. In fact, Australia is a common example used when people make the argument about gun laws and their ineffectiveness.
seems to be the in thing to do Eh?, bashing americans lol. even Bîtching betty enjoys that once in a while.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on October 09, 2013, 01:03:55 AM

Nice dig at Americans...allow me to throw one back:

Americans are afraid of the country becoming like Australia and THAT'S why people ran out and bought everything up. In fact, Australia is a common example used when people make the argument about gun laws and their ineffectiveness.

And I wouldnt have it any other way :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on October 09, 2013, 01:05:21 AM
It's not bashing ... More mental torture ... Which I believe the Geneva convention has views on?!?

Lucky the twins page doesn't do 'convention'  ;)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: tcmia on October 09, 2013, 12:24:03 PM
What is the opinion on one of these stainless colt king cobra in 357 magnum?

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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on October 09, 2013, 01:35:06 PM
Needs more barrel for accuracy with max loads...  :D

Apart from that ... Nice!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on October 09, 2013, 02:53:50 PM
Is that single action or double action?
357 magnum loads pack a tremendous recoil. I've shot them in a Pietta single action revolver with a longer barrel.
(http://www.cimarron-firearms.com/media/catalog/category/PP450-BigIron-4.jpg)

Things that shoot 357 magnum can shoot 38 special. Much less kick. Still more kick than a 9mm or 380acp.

Why 357 magnum other than TV shows? That's why I did have a Glock 9mm - that's what came to mind because of TV. Hated it and sold it.

Buying for fun or personal defense? Do you need 357 magnum for that? If PD, then 9mm semi-autos are good because they are easier to conceal. 9mm is enough for PD and so is 380acp. Lots of choices there. With less recoil from 9mm or 380, you can get the next shot off much faster and with more accuracy. Popping in a new magazine takes a second or two where reloading a revolver takes longer.

9mm is much cheaper - now down to $14 a box of 50. While 357 magnum is double the price. If you're going to practice a lot, that's something to consider.

There is really nothing wrong with that gun. I think we can give more opinions (and we can give opinions until the sun don't shine) when we know
1. Purpose for it? Plinking, PD, both, raccoons or?
2. How do you plan to carry it? Concealed, holster, purse, backpack, bike carrier or?
3. Ammo cost .vs. how much you will shoot it .vs. what you can afford to spend
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on October 09, 2013, 04:07:36 PM
revolver slow reload? .. not if you practice enough! ..

i know this has been up before... but  :D

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: tcmia on October 09, 2013, 04:30:40 PM
I was just curious what people think about it. I have been told that they are hard to find, since they have been discontinued. I am by no means a gun expert and  I am not the carry kind.  This one is double action, and this is probably too heavy for conceiled. When I shot one, it felt almost like a .22 very little recoil and very accurate. Probably because it is quite heavy. 
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on October 09, 2013, 04:41:50 PM
I've seen the reloading go fast. Remember: that is competition. He practices. He has the bullets ready to load and knows where they are. Quite different from pulling your gun out in an emergency, all panicky, trying to find where bullets go in a dark alley.
If for PD, then a quick magazine change in a semi is fast can can't compare to a revolver. press button. As mag falls, be ready and shove the other in. If you have something like a Smith & Wesson M&P, when the mag goes in it automatically releases the slide and loads the first round. Cops need that feature when someone's coming at them.

As for the revolver: mass makes a difference. There are different loads for bullets: light to heavy on the powder and different bullets weights. all that can make a difference in the recoil.

I find the .45 colt has less recoil than the 357 or 38spl. Probably because .45 colts are loaded as "cowboy rounds" - 250 grain bullet and only going 800 fps. That big bullet moving slow will have a slow, long, smooth recoil. Not fast and snappy like the others. Youcan get 357's and 38spl's loaded as cowboy rounds, too.

If going to plink and target practice, get whatever you like. Any gun can be good or bad - depending on if you like it and it fits you. Example: Pietta revolvers are half the cost of a Ruger. Ruger is better. But for plinking, I like the Peitta because the grip is 1/2" longer and fits my hand better. Ruger is a better gun, but not better for me.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on October 10, 2013, 02:39:43 AM
Damn coons. What do they get to.... Like 30 pounds?
Super colibri (20gr 500fps) not as good as air gun sending 18gr pellets at 1000fps
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on October 10, 2013, 10:06:21 PM
awww did someone get offended by the humour and remove all the posts? :police: :police: :police:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on October 10, 2013, 10:40:04 PM
awww did someone get offended by the humour and remove all the posts? :police: :police: :police:
I just noticed something missing.....
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on October 11, 2013, 03:13:01 AM
Do you Ausie's have ammo problems or is it so regulated and expensive you don't shoot much?

We can get whatever ammo we need. That's because we don't panic buy and run out supplies  :thumb:
[...]

Nice dig at Americans...allow me to throw one back:

Americans are afraid of the country becoming like Australia and THAT'S why people ran out and bought everything up. In fact, Australia is a common example used when people make the argument about gun laws and their ineffectiveness.

How can something be a Dig when it is just stating a fact?  :dunno_black:

Americans Panic Buy. That's a fact. Period. Beenie Babies. Cabbage Patch Dolls. Ammo. Duct tape. Whatever it is for that moment they do it en masse.

Aussies are too apathetic to do that kind of thing. Seriously, we are. We just couldn't be stuffed.

And Aussies use England (and Washington) as an example of how gun laws do not work....

(http://themetapicture.com/media/funny-weapon-criticism-bat-knife.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Zookmang on October 11, 2013, 09:21:38 PM
Pretty sure gun laws do work. Since PM Howard laid stricter gun laws there have been NO gun massacres in Australia. Before those laws they happened every few years.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on October 11, 2013, 09:36:53 PM
When speaking of "gun laws", you really need to say what laws you are talking about.
There are all kinds of good and crazy laws.
* Laws for obtaining a gun from a dealer
* Restrictions on felons owning guns
* Limits on magazine capacity
* Waiting periods
* and on and on and on........

A lot of the problems are due to hard times and people reaching the end of what they can handle and  they freak out. No law short of a house to house search to confiscate all guns could prevent that - but no, it wouldn't. People can and do hide extra fire arms because there is fear of government confiscating them. There will always be guns.

What is needed is to help troubled people and to improve the general society so people don't reach their breaking point.

I bet conditions are better down there so people don't see the need to take out their anger by mowing down a bunch of people.

Criminals will always have guns. Criminals buy and sell guns and do not care about any laws or backgroiund checks. Only honest people follow the laws and only honest people will be subject to the restrictions of the laws.

Taking guns away from law abiding citizens is like preventing drunk driving by taking cars away from sober people.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Zookmang on October 11, 2013, 11:15:22 PM
Good point. I'm not against gun ownership altogether however guns for everyone doesn't work in my opinion. There are still guns here, both legal and illegal however nowadays shootings are rarer than they were before those licensing restrictions came in. On the other hand, you just don't need one over here to be safe. Maybe a different story over there.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on October 11, 2013, 11:20:17 PM
could just chuck drop bears at them Eh?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Zookmang on October 11, 2013, 11:27:02 PM
Drop bears are very effective against burglars. You don't even have to throw them, they just drop from the ceiling and maul the sh** out of em! :D
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on October 11, 2013, 11:33:50 PM
We don't have drop bears.  :cry:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Zookmang on October 11, 2013, 11:37:14 PM
Trained kitties will also suffice. :)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on October 11, 2013, 11:37:32 PM
And we have idiots over here, like "Mayors against illegal guns". Heck, even NRA members are against "illegal" guns. The reality is it is a mayor campaign against ALL guns.

Out dumb mayor promotes "Gun Free Zones". Truth is how many mass killings have there been at gun shows where everyone is armed? ZERO! How many killings at places that prohibit guns? Hundreds.

For your amusement.....


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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on October 12, 2013, 12:05:20 AM
Funny and true

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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on October 12, 2013, 12:09:54 AM
Gotta pack heat in case you get attacked by a renegade raccoon.  :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on October 12, 2013, 04:39:11 PM
Pretty sure gun laws do work. Since PM Howard laid stricter gun laws there have been NO gun massacres in Australia. Before those laws they happened every few years.

Port Arthur. Now that is a darn odd one that. Not only the speed at which the many thousands of pages of legislation appears in such a short time after the event (almost as if was pre-written just waiting for an event to plug it into) but how New South Wales politician Barry Unsworth's had previously claimed that there would be no effective gun control in Australia until there was a massacre in Tasmania (quite prophetic). There is also an interesting piece by Joe Vialls http://www.whale.to/b/viallspam.html (Seems we have our very own Kennedy/Oswald conspiracy thing going on according to him)

Certainly, no mass shootings Oops. Forgot. Monash university shooting in 2002. Only 2 dead, so maybe that doesn't count as a massacre.  :dunno_black: - but it did result in more kneejerk reaction by limiting handgun caliber and mag size (as if a proficient IPSC guy with a half dozen mags on his belt couldn't go ballistic and do more damage than these nutjobs)

But we have had mass murders by Arsonists - Childers backpackers fires which killed 15, Quakers Hill Nursing Home Fire which killed 11. Before the Port Arthur was the Whiskey Au Go Go fire which killed 15 people. And the Hilton Hotel Bombing.

We also had the Greenough Family Massacre where he killed four people with an Axe! And John Sharpe killed his wife, unborn and toddler with a Spear Gun. While Douglas Crabbe drove his truck into a crowded bar and killed 5. As far as I know there are no additional restrictions on owning axes since that event - although - Bunnings Warehouse doesn't sell machetes but cane cutters are fine  :dunno_black: :dunno_black:

Yes it is true that Suicides in 97 (the year after the new gun laws) had dropped, but overall Suicides had risen by 10%  :o Also firearm suicides had already been on a downward trend for over a decade before Port Arthur.

Some other interesting info as far as murder goes...

Since 89, the murder rate with a firearm has dropped from 20% to 13% (was already in decline before Port Arthur), while murder by knife has risen from 31% to 40% just in the last decade  :o :o. 40% of murders are done by people with a criminal history, alcohol features in 47% of them and drugs in 20%. 25% of murders are by beating. For gun murder, the preferred weapon is a shotgun. While overzealous media coverage of murders (mass or otherwise) often leads to copycat murders.

(http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/gun-control-you-beat-him-whats-the-matter-with-you.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on October 12, 2013, 05:34:36 PM
How do the kiwis handle their guns and laws. You never hear bad shaZam! happen about the kiwis. I think proper gun laws are somewhere between Australia and the US
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Zookmang on October 12, 2013, 06:13:17 PM
I personally reckon the current system works. You have a legit reason to have a gun, you can have one once you've been checked out by the cops and finish your waiting period. Maybe knifings have gone up. But you can run from a knife, you can't race the gun. It's not about completely stopping murder, it's about reducing the risk and probability of a maniac getting hold of a gun. There's millions out there.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on October 12, 2013, 07:30:16 PM
Problem is, politicians, accidentally or on purpose, forget or deliberately ignore, Culture.

Gun use/ownership is higher in Switzerland than the US - percentage - while US has more gun crime. UK gun laws a VERY strict yet the UK leads the US in all violent crimes per capita.

Guns, Knives, Axes, Spear guns, baseball bats, etc., are all just inanimate objects.

Despite the Hassle of gun ownership in Aust, ownership is always increasing without a corresponding Gun Crime increase. That's just the Aussie way. For as per usual, 80% of the crime is committed by 20% of the criminals (roughly).

I think the biggest thing the new gun laws did was link the court DVOs with Gun Ownership as of the Killings before the new laws, really, most were family killings. A man about to have his children removed from him, his home taken away and given to his wife forcing him to live below his previous level and a large part of his income removed reducing him to nothing more than a wallet for a woman he now has the hates on for, is not really in the right frame of mind to be owning a gun. Five years down the track, he will normally have mellowed and is more Used to the situation and that same Level of Hatred and Animosity is gone and he is far less likely to lose his sh!t.

Ditto to violent offenders and mental cases.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on October 12, 2013, 10:11:07 PM
Most shootings are hand guns. About 75%. Shot guns are a very small percentage. Gun deaths are going down while Americans are arming themselves in record numbers.

Another forum had a link to this video. It is graphic and is about gun shot wounds. (Done by a Seattle doctor). What is interesting are the statistics he gives about what guns are used and the types of injuries. I found it interesting that getting shot doesn't result in death very often. Seems we are scared and think getting hit by a gun will always kill you.

You will need to log into utube and verify your age due to the graphic content. Watch the first half for the statistics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tku8YI68-JA&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dtku8YI68-JA&has_verified=1
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on October 12, 2013, 11:30:46 PM
Handguns are a LOT harder to acquire down here.

Traditionally, they are the realm of LEO and Security. Nowadays a lot of Sport shooting. Regarding handgun, in my state the process is...

1 - Submit form for eligibility to have license - if you already have a license for rifles you do not need to submit another form.

2 - Join pistol club

3 - Participate in three matches within 6 months (just going to the range shooting is not a match, it is practice and does not count). And get your "range attendance" book signed off.

4 - Do handgun safety course and get Cert saying as much.

5 - 6 months after joining club and doing your minimum shoots you may apply for a handgun license.

6 - Get a letter from the president of the pistol club recommending you be granted a license.

7 - Submit the letter, copy of your safety cert, copy of your range attendance and club membership proof with your application and wait.

8 - Depending on previous licenses etc., the wait will be up to 6 additional months

9 - Upon receiving your license you can Then apply for a permit to buy a handgun. Again, depending on your previous history, another month or so.

10 - Once you have your license, you MUST participate in 6 matches a year for a single caliber. If you own two pistols - say a 22lr and a 38 - then you MUST participate in four matches a year for each caliber. Failure to do the required Minimum attendances / matches will result in your handgun license being revoked. - You cannot have two matches on the one day count as two matches. One match a day only.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Joolstacho on October 13, 2013, 12:04:26 AM
I'm a bit bemused by all this. Do they talk this much about motorbikes on gun forums?!
(Oh yes I do have a couple)
 :2guns:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on October 13, 2013, 01:22:43 AM
I'm a bit bemused by all this. Do they talk this much about motorbikes on gun forums?!
(Oh yes I do have a couple)
 :2guns:
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on October 13, 2013, 01:33:03 AM
I guess the difference is in the USA guns are a right (2nd amendment) and down there it is a privileged.
Probably has to do with England. They set up the colonies here and there. We broke away and our founding fathers probably saw a bad situation when only the government can arm themselves. Hence for us it is a right to bear arms (I don't mean wearing sleeveless T's).

There are states and areas where there are strict laws (I've mentioned that before) and here in Washington  State things are pretty liberal - even open carry is OK.


Unfortunately there are people that freak out at any incident. Gun violence is down - not due to laws - and more people are armed.

There is the - for sake of a better term - "Theory of One". You can relate to and understand one (or a couple) deaths from some cause - like guns or H1N1 - and freak out and demand something be done. However, millions or more deaths in car accidents and you don't care. On the news? "Oh, well...". 30,000 people die from normal flue every year. You don't care. Thousands die from reactions to over the counter pain killers. You don't care. ONE  person MAY have died due to something REMOTELY RELATED to epinephrine and you freak out and demand something be done. There are now bans on it because one baseball player has-been died and happened to have some of it. They say there have been 10 deaths in 10 years related to epinephrine. OK - RELATED TO not CAUSED BY and 1 per year? Come on. Is that a reason to regulate it? Oh, wait... we can all relate to ONE famous person. More people die from aspirin overdose every day than that.

Why is this? You can understand one or a few. Your brain just can't process 1000 or 1,000,000. ....and that is why everyone freaks out over one shooting but doesn't care about millions of deaths in cars. Motorcycles: few enough that most people can understand the numbers so motorcycles are bad. Thousands of deaths falling in a bath tub? Too many to even comprehend.

Secondly there is the "I don't do that" syndrome. If you do it - you accept the risk and deaths and accidents are OK. If you don't do it, ONE injury and you want to ban it, regulate it or restrict it.

We can no longer accept that something was done by an isolated crazy person. We can't accept something cause by freak metal fatigue or an isolated part in something failing due to a one time flaw in manufacturing.

Part of that is due to our brains wanting to put order into chaos. We see patterns where none exist. We see things happening in 3's when it is only because someone mentioned it. We have superstitions to try to explain the freak accident (breaking a mirror, stepping on a crack, walking under a ladder....). Something happens and we try to put a pattern to it: a conspiracy, terrorist group or something else. Our brains can not accept an isolated incident as just that - a once in a lifetime happening. We have to build something around it in order to try to understand it.

and so with any gun incident. We want patterns and when something happens, we MUST do something because we can't accept it as an isolated happening.

(And there are motorcycle discussions on some of the gun forums.....)

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Badot on October 13, 2013, 09:33:09 AM
The main problem I see is that where guns are spreading to become a cultural normal among groups that aren't typically stereotyped as gun people (military/cops/farmers/hunters/woodsmen/etc) it's viewed too much as a hobby. Yes, guns can be your hobby, but too many people consider guns their hobby plaything rather than the potentially dangerous as **** things/tools that they are. This gets to be an even larger problem when kids are exposed to this behavior coupled with a dangerously vague understanding of how they work from games and movies, and no actual gun education. When I was in school all I got was "If you see a gun, run away and tell an adult.". Not too helpful for anyone past 5 years old.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on October 14, 2013, 02:22:36 PM
Fair enough. but situations that sadly arise there are not he guns fault, that lies on the owner. i had kept my weapons at point sin the house that kids could not reach, but i could with ease. here at shop im no more than 10FT from a loaded ( anything from a .357 to a .454) no one has access but us. even if they did, theyd not see em.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on October 14, 2013, 03:27:00 PM
The new problem is people demanding universal background checks to prevent the criminals and insane from getting guns.
First, most criminals don't care about laws. That's because they are a criminal.
Second, being insane isn't on your record if you've never been committed to a nut house. And even that might not be on a record due to patient privacy issues.
Records when a minor may be sealed even after you turn 21 so young criminals would not be detected with a background check.
What constitutes crimes to prohibit gun ownership can be vague. A traffic offense could do it. While repeated calls to 911 for domestic violence would not unless actually charged and convicted of that crime. A crime in another state may not show up but a conviction for something 40 years ago when you were a teenager might still show up.

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: weedahoe on October 14, 2013, 07:06:49 PM
Picked up a S&W sw40ve (40 cal) the other day for cheap. Hard case, 2 clips, several boxes of ammo (most 180 grain hollow points). Like new. really clean

(http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/hiRes/13284.jpg)
(http://www.rc-trucks.org/Smith-and-Wesson-Sigma-SW40VE-Pistol-Review-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on October 14, 2013, 10:16:30 PM
The new problem is people demanding universal background checks to prevent the criminals and insane from getting guns.
First, most criminals don't care about laws. That's because they are a criminal.
Second, being insane isn't on your record if you've never been committed to a nut house. And even that might not be on a record due to patient privacy issues.
Records when a minor may be sealed even after you turn 21 so young criminals would not be detected with a background check.
What constitutes crimes to prohibit gun ownership can be vague. A traffic offense could do it. While repeated calls to 911 for domestic violence would not unless actually charged and convicted of that crime. A crime in another state may not show up but a conviction for something 40 years ago when you were a teenager might still show up.
regarding the nüthaus, if its INVOLUNTARY or adjudicated mentally ill. its a denial. if voluntary then no.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on October 28, 2013, 12:32:29 AM
Wow! price of ammo has gone back up.030 is through the roof - hard to find under 90 cents.
.22's rare under 10 cents now.
WTF?

Anyone got 3030's to get rid of? My Marlin lever action is hungry.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on October 28, 2013, 08:45:40 AM
Wow! price of ammo has gone back up.030 is through the roof - hard to find under 90 cents.
.22's rare under 10 cents now.
WTF?

Anyone got 3030's to get rid of? My Marlin lever action is hungry.
yup noticed this myself. if i could find an orm-d tag id send ya some 3030
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Badot on October 28, 2013, 09:49:07 AM
Hey, my Cabela's finally has .22 ammo back in stock. Only $100 for 250 rounds, what a deal!  :cookoo:
I can make 500 rounds of 9mm luger for less than that.

On the other hand, I'm starting to have trouble finding some of the Hodgdon Longshot that I like using, I may switch powder soon and stock up when I find one I like.

Didn't you get some reloading stuff adidas? Not doing 30-30?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on October 28, 2013, 11:05:02 AM
Just starting to do it.
Still learning.

You sure $100 for 250 isn't .22 magnum? Those are usually 35 cents to 45 cents each.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Badot on October 28, 2013, 02:11:10 PM
Standard 22lr. It's some local-ish brand I think. You can usually find the Eley match ammo around here $20 per 50 too.

On the plus side, went in to the little hole-in-the-wall place near here today for some powder and they had a 500 round brick of Reminton Thunderbolt for $36  :cheers: I lucked out big time on that.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on October 28, 2013, 06:02:59 PM
Hmmmmmm I'm debating which way to go for this new rifle. .308 or .260 remington
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on October 28, 2013, 07:27:26 PM
Hmmmmmm I'm debating which way to go for this new rifle. .308 or .260 remington

personally .. between the 2 id go just plain old 308 .. which is odd for me cos im not a fan of that round...

the 260 is very close to your swede in performance... and in most cases its 'lighter' hitting that the swede...

308 is also pretty much guaranteed to have ammo avail EVERYWHERE! ..

plus for comparison between the 2 choices... bullet weight... you can have a heavier slug going slower and still get a critical hit easier with the 308 ...

just sayin ...

unless you wanted to go with an idea i had years ago... something like a 416 rigby shell necked down to 6.5 ... now THAT would be something  :icon_twisted: .. of course then you would need a magnum length action... which you dont have..

if you dont already have something in 30 cal i reckon just go 308 bro  :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on October 28, 2013, 07:50:39 PM
know anybody that shoots 327 federal magnum? weve got an assload of it here, and no one needs it. heh my boss in a sheer moment of brilliance lol
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on October 28, 2013, 08:32:00 PM
know anybody that shoots 327 federal magnum? weve got an assload of it here, and no one needs it. heh my boss in a sheer moment of brilliance lol

I almost [accidentally] bought a Ruger GP100 in 327. I was excited because I had been looking all around for one and it was a steal of a deal (obviously due to the odd caliber). I got really giddy and started filling out paperwork without really looking at the gun (it was brand new) and it wasn't until the guy brought the box that I realized my error. Could've been bad! Thankfully it wasn't.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on October 28, 2013, 09:40:28 PM
Though an odd caliber, it is readily available for 50 cents a round.
To buy a gun, go to the store. See what ammo is on the shelf in abundance. Buy a gun for that caliber.

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on October 31, 2013, 01:58:27 PM
Them balloons better watch out!! ... And possibly the Clowns doing balloon animals at kids parties too!!  ;)

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Badot on October 31, 2013, 05:39:31 PM
I can make a shot like that if you give me enough tries.

I want to see multiple in a row!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on October 31, 2013, 09:58:00 PM
yeah true... a series of balloons burst would be good...

i 'used' to be able to dial in a shot like that in 5 or 6 shots average day .. and 3 once on a reeeeeeeeeally good day!!

.. but not on balloons .. butternut pumpkins  :D .. and not a .338 lapua ... but a 1915 .303 ... just for fun!  :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: noworries on November 01, 2013, 12:10:43 AM
Don't come round here much anymore. Still riding the GS like a demon though. But, blimey, doesn't this Janx whacker EVER stop posting crap????? Guess it's one of the reasons I don't drop by much. Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on November 01, 2013, 03:35:53 AM
Dont let the door hit you on the way out nohoper.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: noworries on November 01, 2013, 06:30:26 AM
Ah, Cods and his convoluted and somewhat exotic love life. Totally enjoyed  your recent Qld riding vids. Me and me mates always enjoy a good laugh. Give ya a bit of a wave on the road one day real soon, eh? Enjoy your weekend.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on November 01, 2013, 07:03:00 AM
I hope your mates ride Harley's...cause mine do lol


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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on November 01, 2013, 07:17:26 AM
Though an odd caliber, it is readily available for 50 cents a round.
To buy a gun, go to the store. See what ammo is on the shelf in abundance. Buy a gun for that caliber.
bad thing is, its available in most places cause the gun isnt readily purchased. well that. weve got maybe 5000 rds of it here. sold 2 boxes in 60 days lol. maybe via amrslist or gunbroker could move the lot to some location where it is used? idk. one instance of my bossman in his infinite wisdom lol.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: john on November 01, 2013, 07:41:43 AM
Ah, Cods and his convoluted and somewhat exotic love life. Totally enjoyed  your recent Qld riding vids. Me and me mates always enjoy a good laugh. Give ya a bit of a wave on the road one day real soon, eh? Enjoy your weekend.

Will it be a one finger wave?  LOL!

Bout time you showed back up.  We all thought you were dead or something as you just vanished.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on November 01, 2013, 03:22:45 PM
Bout time you showed back up.  We all thought you were dead or something as you just vanished.
Wishful thinking? :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on November 01, 2013, 10:47:31 PM
Ehh he was away trying to figure out how to masturbate without using his hands.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: TheOzTurkish on November 01, 2013, 11:42:13 PM
I used to have a MkIV SMLE .303 Le Enfield with a short sports barrel with tighter rifling was a pig to shoot but a lot of fun bought it of the old man of an army buddy, I ended up selling it to a farmer that wanted to go spot lighting for boar.... now my brother has a few in his collection haven't had a chance to get my hands on them yet...... 2 .308's and a .22 magnum rifle
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on November 02, 2013, 12:45:30 AM
Ehh he was away trying to figure out how to masturbate without using his hands.
:bowdown: :bowdown:
Bought this to spray on him
(http://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/484764_348333778643651_1970461222_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on November 02, 2013, 01:15:55 AM
Time to get out the quiet guns.
Raccoon just bit a friend walking his dog.
Pistol with colibri ammo should be quiet enough to do it.
Or a good pellet gun.
Now it is all out war on those bastards.

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Zookmang on November 02, 2013, 01:58:15 AM
Serious?  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on November 02, 2013, 02:30:45 AM
Yep. Coon went after the dog. He got between them and got bit.
Checking on legality of shooting a coon in the city. I think you can because it is self defense.
If not, then a pellet gun would be legal.
Open carry is legal here in Washington.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on November 02, 2013, 03:38:40 AM
I can make a shot like that if you give me enough tries.

I want to see multiple in a row!

Well.... there was this truckie. He told us.... first time he ever shot a gun it was a 303 and he put 7 shots through the same hole at 700 meters. He also told us he was a trainer for the SAS. And he was asked by the govt to be an escort bodyguard for engineers in Iraq at $250k a month! So take his shooting skill story for what you think it's worth.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on November 02, 2013, 03:41:42 AM
What calibers are popular?

17hmr
22lr
223
243
270
30-30
308


Regarding the 30-30. I really enjoyed this take on it.... Don’t Give Up On the .30-30 http://www.chuckhawks.com/30-30_dont_give_up.htm
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: noworries on November 02, 2013, 04:30:13 AM
Dearie, dearie me, Cods, those fingernails of yours are a real shocker. have you really bitten them since you were a child?





Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on November 02, 2013, 05:22:06 AM
Sorry noworries but I have grown bored of you.....but thanks for making me money on youtube :thumb: Feel free to visit as often as you like. :bowdown:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: noworries on November 02, 2013, 05:46:30 AM
Now, come on Cods, just because I mentioned the way you bite your nails, you don't have to get all miffed and upset with me and say I bore you. That's simply just not on. You know that I really love ya and your sense of the biking world and your biking knowledge and expertise and how your mates all ride Harleys and how you're real good at using the bestest cutting icons on forum posts and how you chomp up a gutser of a meal on your finger nails and all those things like that. So, please, Steve (can I call you Steve, Stevie, Stevekins even, 'cos I feel we're getting real close here as we talk of personal things), please, just don't put me into the boring basket….I won't be able to stand the shame….

Gotta go now 'cos I need to clip me toenails…thinking of ya……love….xoxo
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on November 02, 2013, 06:36:27 AM
So, please, Steve (can I call you Steve, Stevie, Stevekins even,
Only if I can call you Patricia :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on November 02, 2013, 10:33:38 AM
Yep. Coon went after the dog. He got between them and got bit.
Checking on legality of shooting a coon in the city. I think you can because it is self defense.
If not, then a pellet gun would be legal.
Open carry is legal here in Washington.
ive got 50 rds of that colibri if you want it.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: noworries on November 02, 2013, 02:43:11 PM
OK, Stevie, a deal, let's make a pact, you stop biting those nails down to the quick, and I'll allow you to call me late for dinner.

Beautiful day here in Sydney, so….off for a ride…
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on November 02, 2013, 06:11:58 PM
COON update: he was blessed with 25 doctor shots!
I can't think of a coon attacking a dog and person unless rabid. Coons usually run away and don't attack dogs.
He will be packing heat from now on.
ANY coon I see in my yard will be shot.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on November 02, 2013, 06:46:08 PM

OK, Stevie, a deal, let's make a pact, you stop biting those nails down to the quick, and I'll allow you to call me late for dinner.

Beautiful day here in Sydney, so….off for a ride…
So Patricia, serious question
When you are teaching do you get the class to call you Pappi when you molest them? Just curious.


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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on November 02, 2013, 08:33:12 PM
Guys guys guys. Please, keep the sh!t talk to the TF - Ain't nobody got time for that. We are solving first world coon problems here.

Speaking of which. I find a nice cracked-pepper water cracker goes nice with some coon cheese.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: noworries on November 02, 2013, 09:57:32 PM
Seroiusly, we've got Yammiwhasit now as an accredited expert on all aspects and techniques of onanism, we got Codsie baby sharing his deep and practical and intimate understanding of paedophilia as he stands in the corner puffing on his Ventolin and chewing on what remains of his finger nails, we've  got the Albion Park laddie - who I made a simple critical comment of in regard to his continued stream of consciousness posting - keeping all quiet and sulky and praying that his wingman will work some miracle.  Is it any wonder that I bid a faire adieu. Will return in a year or so to see if those whackers are still around. Byeeeeeeeeeeee……it's on the road I go…...
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on November 02, 2013, 11:59:51 PM
Back on topic....

This says it all and he got 25 shots in the arm.
All coons are now marked for death. If you think they are cute, you don't belong here.


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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on November 03, 2013, 12:23:04 AM

OK, Stevie, a deal, let's make a pact, you stop biting those nails down to the quick, and I'll allow you to call me late for dinner.

Beautiful day here in Sydney, so….off for a ride…
So Patricia, serious question
When you are teaching do you get the class to call you Pappi when you molest them? Just curious.


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Seroiusly, we've got Yammiwhasit now as an accredited expert on all aspects and techniques of onanism, we got Codsie baby sharing his deep and practical and intimate understanding of paedophilia as he stands in the corner puffing on his Ventolin and chewing on what remains of his finger nails, we've  got the Albion Park laddie - who I made a simple critical comment of in regard to his continued stream of consciousness posting - keeping all quiet and sulky and praying that his wingman will work some miracle.  Is it any wonder that I bid a faire adieu. Will return in a year or so to see if those whackers are still around. Byeeeeeeeeeeee……it's on the road I go…...
Aww did I hurt your feelings?
Little close to the truth my friend :dunno_black:

So are you off to Whitby for a holiday?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on November 03, 2013, 12:27:05 AM
Back on topic....

This says it all and he got 25 shots in the arm.
All coons are now marked for death. If you think they are cute, you don't belong here.
Aww but they are cute :thumb:
They look like little Bandits with their mask on.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on November 03, 2013, 12:38:00 AM
Back on topic....

This says it all and he got 25 shots in the arm.
All coons are now marked for death. If you think they are cute, you don't belong here.
Aww but they are cute :thumb:
They look like little Bandits with their mask on.
More than happy to mail you the dead bodies. Or do you want the tails for the ends of your handle bars.

Seriously - this is a serious issue. Rabies shots are not fun. Coons that attack for no reason are a serious threat and must be dealt with as you would deal with any masked criminal: shoot first. Ask questions later.... well.... no point since they will be dead and can't answer questions.

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on November 03, 2013, 01:05:16 AM
More than happy to mail you the dead bodies. Or do you want the tails for the ends of your handle bars.

Seriously - this is a serious issue. Rabies shots are not fun. Coons that attack for no reason are a serious threat and must be dealt with as you would deal with any masked criminal: shoot first. Ask questions later.... well.... no point since they will be dead and can't answer questions.


You could send me the skins so I can make a coon skin hat and be just like Daniel Boone :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on November 03, 2013, 01:57:19 AM
You should have seen the  dead birds washed up at Sydney no need for a gun
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on November 03, 2013, 02:02:36 AM
What sort of birds slips? .. If you know ...

We went to Currarong today for lunch and a swim ... (It's in Jervis Bay NSW.... Ummm SE of Nowra) ... The bit where we were had a number of Dead Sea birds there too...

And last/this week ... Was up and down the coast road from Helensburgh to Wollongong ... There was this weird ass red/brown band in the water ... From about 200m offshore out to just over a KM I reckon ... Huge 'slicks' of some weird crap? ... Oil? ... Algae? ... Dunno ... But now dead birdies on the shore....

Strange  :dunno_black:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on November 03, 2013, 03:43:04 AM
Some kind of bird that migrates from Russia. Apparently the dead ones were the exhausted ones
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: codajastal on November 03, 2013, 03:46:21 AM
Mutton Birds :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on November 03, 2013, 03:58:19 AM
Grey with a thin slightly hooked tip beak?

Huh... Only ever seen them in the butchers window in Tassie after they been prepared for sale...

Fair enough then... Still wondering what the red/brown band in water is though... Must remember to check/ask
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on November 03, 2013, 04:16:42 AM
Back on track...

Marlin 30-30...

(http://www.marlinfirearms.com/images/centerfire/photo_336W_scope.jpg)

Better than a 308 for Aussie bush hunting? I think so.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on November 03, 2013, 04:29:22 AM
Maybe... Unless theres drop bears.... The old punkin chucker will just make em mad!  ;)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on November 03, 2013, 03:33:24 PM
This new one will spend most of its life on the range so maybe a 260 rem will be the better option for high round matches
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on November 06, 2013, 09:39:27 PM
Meh the only drop bears are bears that are dropped. .308, a .50bmg etc. btw anyone here have any use for a monopod for a rifle? 4' tall at max height?, shop was tossing it, I didn't see a problem with it.  clamps onto the barrel
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on November 06, 2013, 11:35:31 PM
Back on track...

Marlin 30-30...

(http://www.marlinfirearms.com/images/centerfire/photo_336W_scope.jpg)

Better than a 308 for Aussie bush hunting? I think so.
Yes - sweet! Lots of kick from a 30-30 and the ammo is running 90 cents or more per round. Time to learn reloading. But after shooting the 30-30, going back to a 45 colt or 38spl Henry kind of feels like a 22 in comparison. Love those lever actions.

Try this one: Browning Hog Stalker BLR lever action in .223.

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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Badot on November 07, 2013, 07:47:58 AM
Yes - sweet! Lots of kick from a 30-30 and the ammo is running 90 cents or more per round. Time to learn reloading. But after shooting the 30-30, going back to a 45 colt or 38spl Henry kind of feels like a 22 in comparison. Love those lever actions.

I've got a little hand press and can load more than 50 rounds of .40 an hour just watching TV. With a progressive you should be able to pump out the ammo like the zombie apocalypse is tomorrow.
So long as you've got decent equipment you can just set it and forget it for 100+ rounds.

And you are saving your brass, right?   :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on November 09, 2013, 05:25:41 PM
Back on track...

Marlin 30-30...

(http://www.marlinfirearms.com/images/centerfire/photo_336W_scope.jpg)

Better than a 308 for Aussie bush hunting? I think so.
Yes - sweet! Lots of kick from a 30-30 and the ammo is running 90 cents or more per round. Time to learn reloading. But after shooting the 30-30, going back to a 45 colt or 38spl Henry kind of feels like a 22 in comparison. Love those lever actions.

Try this one: Browning Hog Stalker BLR lever action in .223.

Well, Browning Lever Actions in 223 are $1600 to $1800 here  :icon_rolleyes:. I don't like them That much.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on November 09, 2013, 06:42:19 PM
I'd love a shotgun but unfortunately for the average joe blow shooter you can't have a 870 or a 500 we can only have 2 or 3 barrel guns. Kinda takes a lot of the fun out of it. I'd love to have an under over gun loaded with double ought buck or slugs with a simple red dot even a laser for ground work. Obviously the laser wouldn't help for airborne targets. Still holding out for the la101 crossover gun maybe in .308. Have my .260 range gun and a .223 spotlighting gun and maybe a tika t3 in a tube stock with full bore sights. I think id be a happy man with that, and if needed a 375 h&h for that hunting trip of a lifetime. But right now it's all pie in the sky. But nice to have a plan
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on November 10, 2013, 01:54:25 AM

Well, Browning Lever Actions in 223 are $1600 to $1800 here  :icon_rolleyes:. I don't like them That much.
Henry is the best - action is like butter. Extra weight of the octagonal barrel adds to stability and reduced recoil.
Marlin 30-30 is nice but is used so has smoothed out. Quite nice but it IS a 30-30 sp kicks like hell. Will need to make my own lighter loads for plinking. Save the heavy stuff for raccoons and elk.
Browning BLR .223 is new so not even 100 rounds. After 200 or so it should smooth out. It is nice, though.
Ruger 96-22. Easy action but sloppy. Then it is very old.

The Henry's look like fun....and are. The marlin 30-30 looks like it wants to go kill deer.
The Browning kind of the same.
Ruger 96/22 is for plinking or a shooting gallery.

Me and a couple friends got an all day lesson in reloading from a local that is considered an expert and has been doing it for 30+ years. Nothing like learning from an expert. Better than a book or video.

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on November 10, 2013, 04:54:08 PM
the octagonal barrel, or a bull barrel, also help with accuracy. never mind weight. still want to get ym hands on a single shot 22lr helps with skunks, coons and trolls. plus I can use the ammo that doesnt talk back.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on November 10, 2013, 05:49:35 PM
My brother just got one of these... His is left handed though - with a tidy little Weaver 4x32 scope. 
 
Anshutz model 64 MPR
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y387/kiwingenuity/Anschuzt206420M20PR20Multipurpose2_zps79753196.jpg) (http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/kiwingenuity/media/Anschuzt206420M20PR20Multipurpose2_zps79753196.jpg.html)

Most beautiful trigger you could ever hope for, 2 pound pull with a half pound touch (adjustable). frighteningly accurate. Bull barrel with a beavertail stock = very heavy..
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on November 10, 2013, 09:51:53 PM
the octagonal barrel, or a bull barrel, also help with accuracy. never mind weight. still want to get ym hands on a single shot 22lr helps with skunks, coons and trolls. plus I can use the ammo that doesnt talk back.  :thumb:
Lever action or pump action will eat any ammo you feed it. No need for a slow single shot.

Forgot to add: "Ask me how I know". And use Super Colibri's (500 fps) rather than the slower Colibri's (350 fps) in a rifle.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on November 10, 2013, 10:27:19 PM
the octagonal barrel, or a bull barrel, also help with accuracy. never mind weight. still want to get ym hands on a single shot 22lr helps with skunks, coons and trolls. plus I can use the ammo that doesnt talk back.  :thumb:
Lever action or pump action will eat any ammo you feed it. No need for a slow single shot.
true. but illegal to fire weapons inside city limits. sitting on 7 acres of prime hunting land lol that I cannot shoot from. so the silent ammo is only course. but the autos will not feed it. have to do it manuallymay have to wait til tax time

Forgot to add: "Ask me how I know". And use Super Colibri's (500 fps) rather than the slower Colibri's (350 fps) in a rifle.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on November 11, 2013, 01:13:05 AM
Yes - auto's don't cycle with either of the Colibri's. You need a manual - like a lever or pump action. Or a revolver. You can single load a Beretta 21a (or one of the many copies). That's the one with the tilt up barrel to load in the first round.

However - if you are in imminent danger, you can shoot (at least here you can). So if you are attacked by a dog, raccoon or person you can shoot to protect yourself. You have the right to protect yourself.



Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on November 11, 2013, 01:15:46 AM
... And how far/long have you walked around the yard Addy? ... To be in a protect yourself position ?  ;) :D
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on November 14, 2013, 11:08:09 PM
still thinking an old Winnie 22 or maybe a henry if one shows up used.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Sea206 on December 02, 2013, 11:07:12 PM
Picked up a Remington 870 back in January, shotguns are tooooooo fun.  Especially when you're out camping with a bunch of buddies and you can just blow up trees with some military buckshot :).
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on December 04, 2013, 03:36:13 AM
You got me curious addy, about this 30-30 ammo. So I made a few inquiries. Depending on brand... a buck to $1.25 per for standard ammo. But some pointy stuff with a flexible tip from Hornady - whatever it is called, I forget what the salesman said it was - was $38 a box of 20. That's a $1.90 per shot.  :o

Ain't nobody pumping through that at the range for a day of shites and giggles down here.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on December 04, 2013, 04:30:39 AM
Oh, yeah, you're not here. Your laws and  prices are different.

Check out gunbot.net for the current prices here.

30-30 I get at about 75 cents or less. Hornady Leverevolution is $1.25 or less.
You can reload and get the price down to 40 cents each. Save your cases. Reloading you can make lighter loads for less recoil to learn your 30-30. However I did some and at 100 yards it dropped 10 inches. That was a little too light but no recoil. I keep notes and made an assortment of loads to test and find what I like. Came up with some sweet 45 colt loads.

You can buy the Leverevolution powder for $20 a pound. (1 pound = 7000 grains and about 25 grains per load. Do the $ math.) Bullets for about 30 cents and primers are 4 cents.

By reloading you can blast through 100 rounds and not feel the pain. Just go slow - the barrel can get pretty hot so now I take 2 Marlin's one with scope and one with iron sights. I like the challenge of iron sights at 100yards.

So much fun to pump out 6 rounds from your lever action. Yee Haa! Cowboy style!

One thing to watch for is if your government signing on to the UN arms control thing. Two things: it calls for a world wide registry of all guns (meaning honest people are registered,not criminals) and prohibits the manufacturing of ammo by private parties - which by definition would prohibit reloading ammo. The USA isnot signing it as it is against out 2nd amendment to the constitution.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Badot on December 04, 2013, 11:57:33 AM
The USA isnot signing it as it is against out 2nd amendment to the constitution.

Our government knows it's not constitutional and isn't going to try and sign it anyways? Holy cow, that's a small miracle right there!

It would be interesting to see what they would do about the millions of .22s made before WWII that don't have serials, especially the ones with collector value where they would 'destroy' it by stamping a serial on.

As far as 'manufacturing' ammo -- depends on the definition of manufacturing I guess. 18 USC Sec. 921 -- "(10) The term “manufacturer” means any person engaged in the business of manufacturing firearms or ammunition for purposes of sale or distribution; and the term “licensed manufacturer” means any such person licensed under the provisions of this chapter."

If you're not allowed to 'manufacture' ammo, this would mean you could make your own, just not with intent to sell it. Not sure if the law they're signing in looks at it the same way or not.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on December 11, 2013, 01:25:42 AM
TSA Seizes Sock Monkey’s Toy Gun

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/365823/tsa-seizes-sock-monkeys-toy-gun-andrew-johnson

Quote from: GunTrader;1240851
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/365823/tsa-seizes-sock-monkeys-toy-gun-andrew-johnson

TSA agents in St. Louis, Missouri, disarmed Rooster Monkburn, a cowboy sock money, of his two-inch toy gun after a woman brought the stuffed monkey through security. Agents said that it posed a threat because it could be confused for a real gun, according to local reports.

“[The agent] said ‘this is a gun,’” said Phyllis May, recounting the experience to fly back to her home in Washington state. “I said no, it’s not a gun it’s a prop for my monkey.”
(http://media.king5.com/images/1208sock_monkey.jpg)
May, who has a small business selling sock monkeys, was also questioned for bringing the sewing supplies she uses to make the stuffed animals in her carry-on bag. TSA agents told her they would have to confiscate the miniature firearm and call the police, although Washington’s KING-TV reports that the TSA never did call the authorities. May’s sewing supplies were ultimately returned to her.
“Rooster Monkburn has been disarmed so I’m sure everyone on the plane was safe,” May quipped. “I understand [the TSA agent] was doing her job but at some point doesn’t common sense prevail?”
May had named the disarmed monkey Rooster Monkburn after Rooster Cogburn, John Wayne’s character in the film True Grit.

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: steezin_and_wheezin on December 12, 2013, 12:54:18 PM
^^ HAHA that's pretty funny, but also pretty sad..

I've been itching to take my pistol back out for some more practice, i could use it. Unfortunately its dark outside before I get off work at 5pm. Wish there was an indoor range closer to me
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on December 13, 2013, 02:15:42 PM
Fire and damage test showing safety of ammunition.
So all that "hazardous fees" and restrictions are really fear and bull dung.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SlOXowwC4c&feature=player_embedded

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on December 13, 2013, 03:49:53 PM
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on December 13, 2013, 06:04:26 PM
That man has the most valid point. Specially given the latest mass shooting this morning
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on December 13, 2013, 06:29:58 PM
...using a Joe Biden approved shot gun.
Now watch the news to see how many times they call it an AK-47, AR-15, "assault rifle" or other scare terms.
More people die from falling down than guns. More from drowning or choking and the leader is cars.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Soloratov on December 29, 2013, 04:19:53 PM
All I can say is the trusty GS will be getting a lot more miles this coming summer as my trips to PA for ammo become necessary. These insane "gun control" laws here in NY are about to make it impossible to get ammo. Already lost about 20 firearm related companies in the Rochester area alone because of it.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: noworries on December 29, 2013, 04:53:28 PM
IMHO the NYSAFE legislation is at least a step in the right direction. One unexpected but rather pleasant result has been a commercial decision by a weapons supplier to prevent city police getting their hands on stuff like this:

http://www.tactical-life.com/magazines/tactical-weapons/serbu-firearms-bfg-50a/

Can you imagine that going off when your Mum or your Dad or your wife or your kids or Auntie Ethel were in the neighbourhood? Oh, I see, the city finest need it in case they want to stop a truck or someone is holed up in a building…completely understandable, not. Next thing, the boys in blue will be chasing racoons or possums  or hippies around the 'burbs with this piece of kit. All mad.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Soloratov on December 29, 2013, 06:18:29 PM
Step in the right direction  :cookoo:...not a single piece of that law outside the mental health portion does anything that relates AT ALL to reducing the misuse of firearms.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on December 29, 2013, 09:19:19 PM
"prevent city police getting their hands on stuff like this"

Do you really have that little amount of faith in the police that they would be running around neighborhoods shooting a .50 bmg? One of the safety rules in shooting is "knowing your target and what lies beyond". Shooting a .50 cal at a person would go right through them causing potential collateral damage/accidental injury to others, that is why it would be a poor weapon choice for local SWAT/Designated Marksmen. I live in Indiana, the gun shop down the street has 4 .50 bmg rifles in stock and for sale. Any Indiana resident over 18 that passes the NICS background check can buy one and walk out the door with it. My point? The retarded gun laws only serve to inconvenience the law abiding gun owners and have little to no effect on "crime". Why? The guns used in most of the violent crimes in the b.s statistics weren't legally purchased at gun shops.

Can you imagine that going off when your Mum or your Dad or your wife or your kids or Auntie Ethel were in the neighbourhood?
Going off? Are you still talking about guns or did you switch the topic to car bombs? Guns don't just "go off", the triggers are intentionally pulled and is the responsibility of the person who pulled the trigger. People are the problem, not guns... but who the hell needs a gun to kill people? Psychos will find other ways to do it. Saw this on the local news the other day, maybe I need go outside Home Depot and protest the sales of hammers in my community.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/12/27/prosecutors-teen-cut-off-mans-head-as-christmas-present-to-aunt/ (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/12/27/prosecutors-teen-cut-off-mans-head-as-christmas-present-to-aunt/)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Soloratov on December 29, 2013, 10:22:06 PM
Why? The guns used in most of the violent crimes in the b.s statistics weren't legally purchased at gun shops.


Thank you!! This seems to be something that all the gun control advocates just glaze over! I'm not allowed to carry over 7 rounds in my magazine anymore because of this stupid law. I'm not allowed to own a magazine that can hold more than 10. Well, I certainly hope that the guy down the street killing a rival gang member remembers this, or the person who decides to rob a store at gun point made sure he unloaded his over-capacity magazine. I'd hate to think these criminals aren't following the law.  :cookoo: I know that guns are NEVER stolen, or sold illegally on the street, so all these back ground checks and ammo caps makes sense.  :bs: (I really hope sarcasm is evident in this whole thing)

I can own a semi auto .223 rifle, with scope, bipod and all the magazines I want...but OMG! You put a pistol grip on it...if it's an AR style and not a "hunting rifle", then woah, watch out, we got a crazed lunatic here. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE!!!!  :mad:

Sorry, I apologize. Ignorance and willful stupidity make me angry.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: noworries on December 30, 2013, 05:09:32 AM
Go (v. inf.) off+gun?…if it's OK for 50 Cents' lexicon… it's OK by me…or would ya like to argue the vocabulary point with NY street language expert Mr Jackson?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on December 30, 2013, 12:43:34 PM
Go (v. inf.) off+gun?…if it's OK for 50 Cents' lexicon… it's OK by me…or would ya like to argue the vocabulary point with NY street language expert Mr Jackson?

Hahahaha, great point dipsh.it. One idiot quotes another as means to try to win an argument. NY street language expert? You mean talk like an uneducated as.shole? Oh wait thats not true, he did receive his prestigious GED while serving a prison sentence. Putting "Mr." in front of his name doesn't make him a respectable person. Successful... yes... respectable... no. He's a selfish prick who's made millions off of America's ignorant youth by polluting their minds with bullsh.it "music" talent and lyrics. I use the word "music" loosely, as his vocal talent is mediocre and he doesn't play any actual instrument in his songs, but he's a "lyrical genius" because he can rhyme words together... wow I'm impressed. At least he has great values, as displayed by his album titled "Get rich or die trying", songs such as "High all the time", "I get Money", "P.I.M.P", and "Fully Loaded Clip"... didn't know modern day shoot outs occurred with wwII weapons. But hey he's from the streets and a bada.ss because he's been shot XX amount of times and still alive right? No, the badas.ses are the people with actual talent that saved his sorry life, without them he'd be dead in the street years ago.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: noworries on December 30, 2013, 03:47:40 PM
It was a good point, wasn't it. Jackson not only understands contemporary NY language but conditions that language and it's evolving vocabulary set. Neat, eh? So, gun goes off, gun went off, gun go off….all quite acceptable usage.

I see that you're not too much in love with 50 Cent's music. Ah well….
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on December 30, 2013, 04:54:36 PM
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on December 30, 2013, 05:59:52 PM
So, gun goes off, gun went off, gun go off….all quite acceptable usage.


No, not acceptable uses. Those statements assign no responsibility to who pulled the trigger. All it does is demonize an inanimate object. It's a phrase used by people who don't know sh*t about guns. You justify your use of the phrase by referring to a criminal rapper who can not even legally own a gun does not help your cause.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Soloratov on December 30, 2013, 06:18:49 PM
I dunno guys, cars are just as likely to run over innocent pedestrians without a driver....just like knives tend to slip into body cavities when they fly off a shelf randomly.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: noworries on December 31, 2013, 02:12:38 AM
Shoot - whoops, can't keep away from that old gun originating vocabulary - Chicago hammer murder and that Alexis Valdez boy? Tragic, eh, and that must be the same city and the same week that had 8 shooting murders as well?  And all coming up to Christmas and the season of Good Cheer. Dang me, those hammers sure are dangerous.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Soloratov on December 31, 2013, 07:25:21 AM
Chicago eh? So now you want to use a city that has THE STRICTEST gun laws in the country as defense for more gun control? Not sure how that logic will follow through. Oh look, in a city where the laws make the safe act look mild there were 8 shootings in a week. I'm thinking you just ruined your own argument, and proved ours.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on December 31, 2013, 11:31:45 AM
i propose the legalization and taxation of all street drugs, with the DEA now being the drug dealers. Good bye gangs and gun violence, hello debt free america.  :woohoo:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Soloratov on December 31, 2013, 01:31:55 PM
On a more positive note, anyone here have a Mosin? Looking to see how the scope mounts for them work. Key is, the one I have does not have the bent bolt lever, so that's why I am curious.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: noworries on December 31, 2013, 03:23:36 PM
Yeh, Mosins, this Jason Taaffee guy is a bit of an expert on the rifle:

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/police-arrest-2-suspects-esmeralda-county-homicide
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Soloratov on December 31, 2013, 06:27:48 PM
Can't say I blame the guy....and really what an odd choice as a "hunting rifle".

I see a few companies make various kinds of mounts, and just wasn't sure what the advantage of one over the other was. I may be making my own, just figured I might see if anyone has one that they can lend an opinion on.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Badot on December 31, 2013, 06:44:17 PM
On a more positive note, anyone here have a Mosin? Looking to see how the scope mounts for them work. Key is, the one I have does not have the bent bolt lever, so that's why I am curious.

Rear sight is probably on a dovetail rail. That + long eye relief scope. Be sure to pin one of your scope rings in one of the rear sight's pin hole.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Soloratov on December 31, 2013, 10:51:16 PM
That's what I figured. A lot of pictures showed the scope a fair way up there so I figured I would either have to cantilever it back or bridge it over the bolt somehow.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: weedahoe on December 31, 2013, 11:28:30 PM
Just put new springs in my slide and trigger to lighten everything up. New sights are next.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on January 02, 2014, 12:26:16 AM
I still laugh when some ppl call them "frozen maggots" ( mosin nagants)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Soloratov on January 02, 2014, 09:52:53 AM
Lol. I was talking with my buddy about it, and just the pure overwhelming weight of the thing is enough to respect soldiers from that era. It's so loud, even compared to my .308. War truly is hell.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: steezin_and_wheezin on January 02, 2014, 10:04:42 AM
Went to the range yesterday. Everyone must've had their new xmas toy and the day off. We had to wait nearly half an hour before we got a spot on the range line.

Shot my B6P 9mm, coworkers 1911 .45, friends sig .45 and his .270 rifle. First time I had the chance to fire off a couple rifle rounds. He hadn't shot it in nearly 2 years, and the thing was spot on. Rifle was a blast, the sig's trigger is like a mouse click so that was a bit weird, and that 1911.. such a smooth shooting pistol!!

Seems like my 9mm shoots a bit right. Always thought it was my left handyness, but it was pulling to same distance right when it was in a right handers grip. Sights are fixed, so not much chance of adjusting.. guess I can't complain when brand new it cost $160 with 2 mags.

No photos, but I did take some vids christmas eve when my brother and I were out plinking some off. I'll edit them down and upload sooner or later.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on January 02, 2014, 05:54:46 PM
you can use a wooden dowel and hammer to push the rear sight slightly
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: steezin_and_wheezin on January 03, 2014, 07:13:36 AM
Just read more on the sights last night. Turns out I can replace and somewhat adjust my sights. The front sight is held in with a roll pin that can be punched out. The rear is dovetailed and is pressed out from left to right. Next time I get a chance I'm going to push the rear sight out to the right a bit to see if it helps

After remembering that this gun is nearly an exact copy of the Czech's CZ75, I started looking for cz accessories. Found a nice holster, nice sights, and some extended clips, and other bits. Told myself no more spending until I am confident and comfortable with the gun. Feeling pretty good with it so I may pick up a holster soon
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on January 03, 2014, 03:30:34 PM
Found a nice holster, nice sights, and some extended clips, and other bits.

Clips :o  >:(

Ok, terminology nazi...

(http://outfitterlife.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/magazine-vs-clip.jpg)

 :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on January 03, 2014, 04:09:23 PM
Steez ... To check your sight alignment before you tap anything ... See if the range or anyone there has a pistol vice you can borrow/use for a short while ... Clamp it in and aim it up and let off a few shots ... That will give you the true Point of Aim ...

Another thing to check/test .... Very methodically and calmly fire off 20-30? (Or more if you shooting a match)  Shots at a clean target ... Patch them out as you go of course... When it's all done collect your target and sit down at a table .... With a pencil/pen and ruler draw two parallel lines vertically at the edges off the bullseye .. Right across target .... Same with the horizontal ...

Now ... While you will see the general spread of shots and probably in your case a bit to the right .... Count up the shots that are within the bull-lines and very close to the bull lines ...

 The high/low ones can be caused by :- head movement/wrist adjustment, jerky trigger pull, normal fluctuations in wrist/hand position and grip strength plus a few other things that 'just happen' ... Including load variance (though load variance can account for any shot 'wavering')

The left/right ones are 'more usually' .... Your hand and finger movement on the trigger and grip as you pull the trigger/tense your hand in expectation .... It's a "everyone does it" thing and something that the top level shooters train themselves out of ...

 Basically the position of your fingertip on the trigger and the way you apply pressure as you squeeze ... Can slightly 'push' the aiming point left or right .... One situation is that too deep in/across the trigger will result in the pistol being pulled toward the side that the holding hand is on .. And conversely too shallow/not across (the centreline) of trigger will result in the pistol being pushed away from the side that the holding hand is on.

You mentioned ' bit to the right' .. Which COULD simply be the way your hand and finger position is as mentioned above... Of course it Could easy be the sights are a little off also ..... Or some other slight flinch/habit that nearly all shooters experience without realising .... Back in the day it took me about 6 weeks to practice and note and modify my technique with a range of handguns ... 22 autos/single shots, 357 revolvers and a glock40 10mm ... Result .. An 'average' increase of 20ish points per match .. Which further improved over time till I gave the whole thing away..

Probably the best way to check your trigger and grip habits is to have a go of a good air pistol with a very light/match trigger .... Grab yourself a can of pellets and gently squeeze off 100 shots (roughly that amount) at a clean target... Patch out like above and draw the same lines ... The lack of pretty much any recoil on the air pistol will give you a much clearer indication of what YOU are doing rather than what the pistol is doing ... If there is a high level instructor/trainer/a grade? Shooter around ... Ask them to watch what you are doing too...

This isn't saying you don't know how to shoot/fire a weapon.... It is just me trying to pass on some valuable info that helped me understand the mechanics of it all ... 20 years ago ..  :thumb:

All this trigger and hand/arm stuff counts for longarms as well .. But not quite so much because of the length of weapons involved .... The short pistol lengths mean that variations in style/action are 'usually' magnified more...... I spose that rifles are longer range and any variance will cause more final point movement too , because the increased distance gives TIME for the line of travel/angle to magnify...  :thumb:

Anyway .... Hope this might help you and anyone else that reads it ... I'm not an expert trainer or even close... The info is still 'good' though  :)

Oh and mister... LOL .... And yes technically correct ... But... You gonna correct a 'whole country' for lazy terminology!??   ;)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: jjcardozo86 on January 04, 2014, 12:48:14 AM
Thanks for all the info janx. Im just getting into firearms and learning to shoot a pistol correctly for my ccw is something im practicing. I have three firearms as of today: xds 9mm, raven arms mp-25 and a CIL mod. 171 in 22lr.


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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on January 04, 2014, 01:14:48 AM
I have issues to deal with. I haven't shot for a month due to travel a d HUHSKY.
Last time I shot 9mm at 25 yards. Funny to see a diagonal pattern from lower left to upper right. Obviously I have problems.
With my Henry 45 colt, I can keep on the paper all the time at 100 yards with iron sights. Very tight groups when indoors at 25 yards. I love Henry's.

It takes practice and a big budget for ammo.

A friend shoots one shot then adjusts sights. He does that for an hour. You need to shoot 3 to 5 rounds THEN adjust. You can always have one flyer. You can't adjust things if you have one flyer. 5 shots and one flyer you can ignore in the group.

Never hurts to ask the range supervisor or good shooters what you canto to be more accurate.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: steezin_and_wheezin on January 06, 2014, 02:19:31 PM
Ahh caught me Mister! Can't tell I'm a gun noob eh? :oops: haha

Loads of great info in there Janx, many thanks! I'll have to reread that each time I get to the range. I definitely still have the first shot jitters, but after ~300 rounds it isn't as predominant. My papa always taught us to squeeze the trigger vs pull. Took a few rounds, but I'm starting to feel the squeeze instead of the jittery pull. Will definitely get a few vice shots before adjusting anything. Really like the air pistol idea to highlight shooter error
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Soloratov on January 06, 2014, 07:50:25 PM
Also, if you are having erratic shot placement (usually vertically), try not to "get ready" for the recoil. Just squeeze and let the pistol roll up a bit. If you are anticipating that kick, your hands will tend to push forward and down just a bit as you squeeze through the trigger. Was never an issue with me until I inherited a 1911. With such a heavy gun and a much bigger round than I was used to I expected more...which was stupid from all my years shooting rifles...but it happens. You get used to just kind of letting the barrel follow through its natural movement without bracing too much.

Which reminds me...I need to get out this weekend!!! I just bought some lead!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: bettingpython on January 07, 2014, 06:47:28 PM
http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/ayoob85.html

Learn the crush grip, get training from a qualified instructor not just some good shooter at the range great shooters aren't always great teachers.

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on January 09, 2014, 01:16:36 PM
Ahh caught me Mister! Can't tell I'm a gun noob eh? :oops: haha

Loads of great info in there Janx, many thanks! I'll have to reread that each time I get to the range. I definitely still have the first shot jitters, but after ~300 rounds it isn't as predominant. My papa always taught us to squeeze the trigger vs pull. Took a few rounds, but I'm starting to feel the squeeze instead of the jittery pull. Will definitely get a few vice shots before adjusting anything. Really like the air pistol idea to highlight shooter error
Mister err betty is our resident grammar Nazi. Seig heil Eh?,
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on January 09, 2014, 01:40:01 PM
Problem with the crush grip, as the article mentions, is as the gun shakes the point of aim changes. It still might be Roughly centered, but not so good for accuracy competition. So... fine for self defense, not so fine for accuracy.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: bettingpython on January 09, 2014, 04:53:04 PM
Problem with the crush grip, as the article mentions, is as the gun shakes the point of aim changes. It still might be Roughly centered, but not so good for accuracy competition. So... fine for self defense, not so fine for accuracy.

Point of aim is always shifting sight verification is constant throughout the shot cycle, and the crush grip does not make the gun shake when done properly it is the most stable platform there is. Robby Leatham uses the crush grip, Phil Strader who I know personally uses the crush grip, teaches the grip and  the instructor who taught him is a very good friend of mine, Jerry Miculek uses the crush when he shoots Semi auto and a modified version of the crush for revolver, Brian Enos uses the crush grip. IDPA and USPA master Eric Fuson an acquaintance of mine and another of my teachers uses and teaches the crush grip as well. I'm no where near as good as any of those guys but with a proper crush grip I put 17 of 17 rounds into a 10" steel plate from a bone stock service model XD9 all day long.

This guy here puts round after round through the same hole he can empty a single stack .45 at 10 yards into a hole the size of a dime. And he hits 4" plates at 50 yards all day long, guess what he uses a crush grip as well.

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Soloratov on January 10, 2014, 06:28:56 PM
Tomorrow is going to be a GREAT DAY!

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Soloratov/IMAG0046.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Soloratov/media/IMAG0046.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on January 11, 2014, 12:16:30 AM
THAT stuff is FUN. sometimes tho it doesn't work. but if done right, misfires or non booms are rare. as I said that stuff is fun. bullet has to be decent size though. no tiny ammo . I hit one with a 50bmg got bored shot the entire bottle. all I can say is WOW. enjoy, and take pics or vid even.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on January 11, 2014, 02:54:45 AM
Problem with the crush grip, as the article mentions, is as the gun shakes the point of aim changes. It still might be Roughly centered, but not so good for accuracy competition. So... fine for self defense, not so fine for accuracy.

Point of aim is always shifting sight verification is constant throughout the shot cycle, and the crush grip does not make the gun shake when done properly it is the most stable platform there is. Robby Leatham uses the crush grip, Phil Strader who I know personally uses the crush grip, teaches the grip and  the instructor who taught him is a very good friend of mine, Jerry Miculek uses the crush when he shoots Semi auto and a modified version of the crush for revolver, Brian Enos uses the crush grip. IDPA and USPA master Eric Fuson an acquaintance of mine and another of my teachers uses and teaches the crush grip as well. I'm no where near as good as any of those guys but with a proper crush grip I put 17 of 17 rounds into a 10" steel plate from a bone stock service model XD9 all day long.

This guy here puts round after round through the same hole he can empty a single stack .45 at 10 yards into a hole the size of a dime. And he hits 4" plates at 50 yards all day long, guess what he uses a crush grip as well.


Talking at crossed purposes.

ISSF. Target = 25 meters (82 yards) Crushing the grip will not bode well for accuracy single handed shooting.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Soloratov on January 11, 2014, 07:11:55 PM
HA! Yamaha. As if I were an amatuer.  :cookoo:  :thumb:

Step 1: Mix thoroughly the ingredients in the can
Step 2: Pour 1/2-1lb into sandwich bag
Step 3: Using stretch wrap...make that bag into a tight brick
Step 4: Blow something up!!!

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Soloratov/IMAG0047.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Soloratov/media/IMAG0047.jpg.html)

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Soloratov/IMAG0053.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Soloratov/media/IMAG0053.jpg.html)

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Soloratov/IMAG0052.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Soloratov/media/IMAG0052.jpg.html)

This, is my DRAGON GUN
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Soloratov/th_Untitled.jpg) (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Soloratov/Untitled.mp4)

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Soloratov/th_VIDEO0005.jpg) (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Soloratov/VIDEO0005.mp4)

These two are actually from last year, but seeing as how today was a continuation of a theme....

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152699836650104&l=3407897939447357759

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152700035125104&l=7802969134615550252
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Slack on January 12, 2014, 01:05:58 PM
Went out the other weekend with some friends.  Threw my SSAR-22 stock on my buddies AR-15 and went to town  :D

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on January 12, 2014, 03:55:59 PM
am sorry soloratov. wasn't implying this lol. ive known people and have witnessed these htings, detonating. just didn't want to see people I consider friends, injured. no other thing at all ;)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: ParkerMax on January 12, 2014, 06:00:26 PM
I wish I have a rifle here in Australia :(


BTW, anyone know of some good places in Michigan (Ann Arbor way) to learn/do shooting? I will be going to the States some time.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: bettingpython on January 13, 2014, 09:36:35 AM

Talking at crossed purposes.

ISSF. Target = 25 meters (82 yards) Crushing the grip will not bode well for accuracy single handed shooting.

The crush grip is not a single handed grip, and as I said I hit 10" plates, (25cm) at 50 yards (45 meters) all day long. Lance does the same thing during training demo's except he uses 4"(10cm) plates.

In the crush grip roughly 80% of your grip force comes from your non dominate hand, the dominate hand provides the fine motor control making small adjustments to the site picture and allowing the trigger finger to manipulate the trigger without being influenced by that hand pulling the sights off as it tries to provide grasping force and fine motor control.

From the underside
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n261/bettingpython/TDSA/IMG_0359.jpg)

From the right side.
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n261/bettingpython/TDSA/IMG_0357.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on January 16, 2014, 04:55:37 PM
I'm a fan of the weaver grip style myself
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on January 17, 2014, 11:04:29 AM
Heres a decent guide for someone who's interested in getting into pistol shooting.

http://www.marines.mil/Portals/59/Publications/MCRP%203-01B%20Pistol%20Marksmanship.pdf (http://www.marines.mil/Portals/59/Publications/MCRP%203-01B%20Pistol%20Marksmanship.pdf)

Loading is slow, best to click link and then download the document once inside the adobe reader.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on January 25, 2014, 03:23:17 AM
I wish I have a rifle here in Australia :(


BTW, anyone know of some good places in Michigan (Ann Arbor way) to learn/do shooting? I will be going to the States some time.

Unless you are a prohibited person, you can get your firearms license in Australia. Won't take too long either.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on January 27, 2014, 02:10:23 AM
Ok, guy I work with posted this on his FB. last bullet you'll ever need.... wow....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJGH7cDFw7c
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on January 27, 2014, 02:40:07 AM
I wish I have a rifle here in Australia :(


BTW, anyone know of some good places in Michigan (Ann Arbor way) to learn/do shooting? I will be going to the States some time.

Unless you are a prohibited person, you can get your firearms license in Australia. Won't take too long either.
Hey Michael, let me aswk you this. since youre an Australian, and I assume non prohibited pick out an easily available weapon there, cost, and time involved in LEGALLY obtaining it, what time we looking at? I know its been mentioned before, but my firend, im lazy,
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on January 27, 2014, 03:01:21 AM
3-6 months from application to walking out of the gunship with your descreatly gun shaped gun box with gun inside
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on January 28, 2014, 12:13:31 AM
3-6 months from application to walking out of the gunship with your descreatly gun shaped gun box with gun inside
tbh not bad. id hate that here, BUT at least you CAN get them if wanted :)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on January 28, 2014, 05:01:31 AM
I wish I have a rifle here in Australia :(


BTW, anyone know of some good places in Michigan (Ann Arbor way) to learn/do shooting? I will be going to the States some time.

Unless you are a prohibited person, you can get your firearms license in Australia. Won't take too long either.
Hey Michael, let me aswk you this. since youre an Australian, and I assume non prohibited pick out an easily available weapon there, cost, and time involved in LEGALLY obtaining it, what time we looking at? I know its been mentioned before, but my firend, im lazy,

Ok, steps to go from Non Gun Owning and Unlicensed to Licensed Gun Owners.

1 - Join gun club (there is another method, but quickest is this)
2 - Do safety course and get Cert of Attainment
3 - Get passport photos taken
4 - Fill in Weapons License Application and submit with proof of gun club membership, cert of Attainment and photos.
5 - Weapons Licensing will NOT even look at this for 28 days.
6 - After 28 days they will do a Police Check on you. Possibly 2 weeks if you're lucky. Once you are clear they will send you your license.
7 - When license arrives Go shopping.
8 - Having found the gun you want (eg, 22lr rifle) you need to fill out an Application for a Permit To Acquire (PTA) - this can be done online - which includes the dealer's details (there are other methods but this is the easiest for a new person)
9 - If this is your first gun Weapons Licensing will NOT look at it until 28 days
10 - After 28 days they will look at your application. If approved they will send you your PTA. Maybe 2 weeks.
11 - Take PTA to gun store. They fill in their details, give copy to you and forward details on to Weapons Licensing so the gun can be entered in their system against your name.

Time...

1 week for course - it's a 2 day course but assume you cannot get in right away.
28 days for not looking
2 weeks for police check
1 week for license in the mail
1 week for shopping
28 days for not looking at first application
2 weeks before you get the pta
1 week to schedule gun shop time.

Total time around 16 weeks.

This is for rifles.

For a handgun (pistol)... you need to be a member of a Pistol Club for a Min 6 months before you can even apply for your license. And the application needs to include a copy of your range Attendance Log Book showing the min number of Matches have been participated in, proof of club membership, plus a letter from the Club Pres recommending you be granted the pistol license.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on January 28, 2014, 11:55:03 AM
You missed a faster way:

1. Be a criminal
2. Buy one on the black market or steal one

Ergo: that's why criminals have guns and honest people do not.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Old Mechanic on January 28, 2014, 04:56:17 PM
Picked up a late Japanese Kosikawa Type 38 6.5MM Arisaka at a show last weekeend. Vet bring back with untouched Mum. It has battle damage to the top handguard, looks like a bullet went through the handguard just in front of the rear sight (right to left). It did not touch the sight or barrel. Also had the original composite canvass and rubber sling, a very rare part and valuable in itself. Bore is nice and it cleaned up very nice. It had the safety knob, firing pin spring and firing pin removed and they did not come with the gun. Stopped by a friends house and he had the missing pieces in a parts lot he bought a while back, wouldn't let me pay him anything for the parts.

$135, now in firing condition, with a ton of history. Probably an Okinawa or Iwo capture, no rust under the wood like most of the jungle bringbacks. Worth $400 plus in it's present condition.

No forms or paperwork, no begging some "authority" for permission, private transaction at a show with no records. I have a carry permit so they checked me out an fingerprinted me when the permit was issued 5 years ago. I seldom carry (never on my bike).

regards
Mech
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Soloratov on January 28, 2014, 10:53:08 PM
How, HOW!!!?? is this ok?  :cookoo:  >:( >:( >:(This has me in a bit of a foul mood!

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2014/01/27/ABC-News-Has-Two-Handguns-Placed-On-Table-Tells-Kids-There-Is-Candy-On-The-Table
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on January 28, 2014, 11:41:55 PM
err... maybe different journos will use the story info in different ways .. and i think that the story concerned is someones 'stock footage' .. that can be edited in a variety of ways...

BUT ... the version i saw on the tv last night... had the pistols half hidden ... one in a box of soft toys near a wall.... and the other in between some books on a shelf (IIRC!?) ....

none of this candy on the table nonsense.... not saying that it hasnt been portrayed like that elsewhere!! ..

but .. i expect its going to be used in other ways/edits now also... till the anti's work themselves up into a state of sheer orgasmic frothing "ban Ban BAN!!!!!!" ...

then next month the newsies will switch back to Al Kader and Terry Wrist .. those lads touring around the world from Afghani-vlostock or or somewhere?!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on January 29, 2014, 01:28:20 AM
Whiskey   Tango   Foxtrot. that is sickening.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on January 29, 2014, 02:30:22 AM
How, HOW!!!?? is this ok?  :cookoo:  >:( >:( >:(This has me in a bit of a foul mood!

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2014/01/27/ABC-News-Has-Two-Handguns-Placed-On-Table-Tells-Kids-There-Is-Candy-On-The-Table
OK. Guns not loaded. It was a test to see what kids learn in a safe, controlled environment. We blow it out of proportion. It was a SAFE test. How do you know if kids pay attention and learn if you do not test them? If they didn't learn, then review your teaching on gun safety.

And as for private gun sales.....

They are done everywhere - legal or not. Just ask a criminal on the street.

However here in Washington where it is legal, most all advertise on recognized gun sites (seaguns.net and waguns.org) or armslist.com
I find all want a WA DL because sales across state line s are illegal. Most want to see your carry permit. Everyone I have dealt with first talks about guns for a while- to get a feeling of who you are and your mental state. For me, most all sales happen right in my office - a safe, controlled space. If they don't like it then no sale or purchase. Above board sales. Publicly advertised. Works very well.

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on January 29, 2014, 04:22:29 AM
Oh Yama, forgot you asked about Cost as well as time... All prices are rough and for ease of math, not the precise costs...

Membership of rifle club - $80
Safety course - $100
Weapons License - $88
PTA - $33
Passport photos - $10

Total = $311

PLUS... all firearms MUST be stored in a secure container which either ways 150kg+ or is bolted to the ground or both. BUT, handsguns the secure storage MUST be metal and MUST be bolted down. So factor in the cost of said container as well.

All firearms are registered to your Weapons License. No private sales UNLESS handled through a dealer who will fill out the necessary paperwork so the gun can be transferred from the seller's license to the buyer's license.
After your first rifle, subsequent PTA costs $33 and can be obtained in a week or even less.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: tialloydragon on January 30, 2014, 02:17:27 AM
Quote
Membership of rifle club - $80
Safety course - $100
Weapons License - $88
PTA - $33
Passport photos - $10

Total = $311

Exercising your un-infringed Second Amendment Rights=  Priceless
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Soloratov on January 30, 2014, 09:29:09 PM
Exercising your un-infringed Second Amendment Rights=  Priceless

They are not here in the States, so they were not promised that right from the beginning like we were...as far as I know. I could be wrong. The reason this is such a touchy issue for me is just that, we have a nice document outlining the basic definition and laws our GOVERNMENT must abide by, and they are coming up with any reason to get around it, with the help of the weaker citizens persuaded by fear and propaganda. This does not apply simply to the second, but also the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th and ESPECIALLY the 9th Amendments to our Constitution are constantly being pushed pulled and broken down to please ignorant and self righteous people. IT'S SICKENING!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on January 31, 2014, 10:50:28 PM
Try 250+ for your 5 year first time license
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on February 01, 2014, 02:36:42 AM
Try 250+ for your 5 year first time license
oye :o
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on February 01, 2014, 01:19:28 PM
Try 250+ for your 5 year first time license
oye :o

Here's the list of fees payable in my state http://www.police.qld.gov.au/programs/weaponsLicensing/fees/fees.htm $234.00 for first five years - firearm license fee of $29.15 times five + License Application fee of $88.25 = $234. So the actual First time total isn't $311 like I said but $457.

See, they don't make it illegal, just discouraging. Put a few hoops to jump through and a nice chunk of change and see what happens. And what happens is... people still flock to get their firearm license each year.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Roxtar on February 02, 2014, 01:43:02 AM
Try 250+ for your 5 year first time license
oye :o

Here's the list of fees payable in my state http://www.police.qld.gov.au/programs/weaponsLicensing/fees/fees.htm $234.00 for first five years - firearm license fee of $29.15 times five + License Application fee of $88.25 = $234. So the actual First time total isn't $311 like I said but $457.

See, they don't make it illegal, just discouraging. Put a few hoops to jump through and a nice chunk of change and see what happens. And what happens is... people still flock to get their firearm license each year.

ouch!
as a comparison, I just bought a stripped lower receiver so I can build one of those evil black rifles.
$27 covered all of the paperwork and the dealer's transfer fee. background check was completed in seconds, and I walked out the door with it.
no required training
no required licensing
just show some ID, fill out a form, and be on your way with your new weapon.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on February 02, 2014, 02:22:15 AM
Penn &Teller ongun control...

http://bearingarms.com/penn-teller-gun-control-is/

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on February 02, 2014, 04:08:12 AM
Try 250+ for your 5 year first time license
oye :o

Here's the list of fees payable in my state http://www.police.qld.gov.au/programs/weaponsLicensing/fees/fees.htm $234.00 for first five years - firearm license fee of $29.15 times five + License Application fee of $88.25 = $234. So the actual First time total isn't $311 like I said but $457.

See, they don't make it illegal, just discouraging. Put a few hoops to jump through and a nice chunk of change and see what happens. And what happens is... people still flock to get their firearm license each year.

ouch!
as a comparison, I just bought a stripped lower receiver so I can build one of those evil black rifles.
$27 covered all of the paperwork and the dealer's transfer fee. background check was completed in seconds, and I walked out the door with it.
no required training
no required licensing
just show some ID, fill out a form, and be on your way with your new weapon.

20 years ago, or so, in our state you could walk into a gun store, show your driving license and walk out with a rifle. My how things have changed....
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on February 02, 2014, 05:17:52 AM
Try 250+ for your 5 year first time license
oye :o

Here's the list of fees payable in my state http://www.police.qld.gov.au/programs/weaponsLicensing/fees/fees.htm $234.00 for first five years - firearm license fee of $29.15 times five + License Application fee of $88.25 = $234. So the actual First time total isn't $311 like I said but $457.

See, they don't make it illegal, just discouraging. Put a few hoops to jump through and a nice chunk of change and see what happens. And what happens is... people still flock to get their firearm license each year.

ouch!
as a comparison, I just bought a stripped lower receiver so I can build one of those evil black rifles.
$27 covered all of the paperwork and the dealer's transfer fee. background check was completed in seconds, and I walked out the door with it.
no required training
no required licensing
just show some ID, fill out a form, and be on your way with your new weapon.

20 years ago, or so, in our state you could walk into a gun store, show your driving license and walk out with a rifle. My how things have changed....
last year when our president mentioned the word gun control, we sold 64 pieces around a thou apiece in 2 hours. so around 1098 plus checkout fee of 10 = a good day. so do slip thru the cracks, but for the most part all is well
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Badot on February 02, 2014, 12:04:41 PM
And we STILL don't have .22lr ammo regularly available. It's amazing how much these threats to increase gun control scare people into buying more.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: weedahoe on February 02, 2014, 02:50:59 PM
I added a new piece to my collection. I bought a Springfield XD 40 sub compact yesterday. Really small and light.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Roxtar on February 03, 2014, 04:45:07 PM
I have the XDm .40 compact. it's a little bigger, but I really like it.

just bought a build kit for the stripped lower I got last week
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ar-15-05/lower-build-kit-sale/psa-str-lower-build-kit-black.html
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Soloratov on February 03, 2014, 07:04:14 PM
Being that I am stuck in the ultimate commie state, I have been been looking at one of these beauties:

Mossberg MVP Patrol 5.56/.223
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Soloratov/Mossberg-MVP-Patrol_001.jpg)

OR

Kel Tec SU-16 A/B/CA
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Soloratov/Kel-tecSU-16.jpg)

Since we were recently informed that all our evil assault rifles were illegal, I needed an excuse to use the existing hardware and ammo I have. So, these guys use standard AR-15 mags. Both are 5.56/.223. I'm leaning toward the Mossberg however...I have a soft spot for bolt action. I like the precision...however, the thrill of semi auto is great. With both coming in around the same price it will come down to which I can get easier as they are both a bit hard to find.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on February 05, 2014, 03:29:55 AM
Speaking of Springfield... local guy buys a XDM9mm 5.25. They come with 3 mags down here - yeah, plus the holster and two mag holder. Anyways. Normal XD mags are like $60 each. He said, he's been calling around for XDM mags cause the XDs won't fit. And he's being quoted $180 per mag  :o

My immediate thought was... shoulda bought a Glock  :icon_mrgreen: - their mags are interchangable from Gen 3 to 4, unless you want to have the mag release on the left, in which case only a Gen 4 mag will do.

I keep meaning to ask him but forget so I'll ask you Springfield folks. Do you ever get your webbing pinched buy the grip safety?

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mach1 on February 05, 2014, 08:33:39 AM
Ill add my collection

Mossberg 715t Flat top .22lr
Kahr CW9 9mm
Rock River Arms LAR458 .458 SOCOM
S&W M&P15 .223
Savage Axis .308
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Roxtar on February 06, 2014, 06:49:13 AM
Speaking of Springfield... local guy buys a XDM9mm 5.25. They come with 3 mags down here - yeah, plus the holster and two mag holder. Anyways. Normal XD mags are like $60 each. He said, he's been calling around for XDM mags cause the XDs won't fit. And he's being quoted $180 per mag  :o

My immediate thought was... shoulda bought a Glock  :icon_mrgreen: - their mags are interchangable from Gen 3 to 4, unless you want to have the mag release on the left, in which case only a Gen 4 mag will do.

I keep meaning to ask him but forget so I'll ask you Springfield folks. Do you ever get your webbing pinched buy the grip safety?
never had that happen to me.

as for magazines, I'm not sure about the legality of shipping them internationally, but you can get the big 9mm xdm magazines here for under $30 US.

http://www.slickguns.com/product/springfield-mag-9mm-19rd-stainless-xdm-xdm5019-3681-shipped
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on February 06, 2014, 11:51:55 AM
Look at the Springfield EMP. Really sweet! Hard to find because once someone has one, they rarely get rid of it. All new design of the 1911 but at about 80% of the size. Perfect for carry and other uses.

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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Soloratov on February 06, 2014, 02:42:26 PM
I inherited a full size Springfield 1911 not too long ago. Thing is a tack driver. Love it! Had a chance to look at a S&W 1911 carry size. Really like it, but little "pretty" for my taste. Nice display pistol though. Something about the smaller 1911 frames that just rubs me the wrong way. Kind of a "not supposed to be that small" point of view.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on February 08, 2014, 09:34:24 PM
Here's a pic of all the handguns I own....

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.....

See, nice, aren't they. yeah, I know, they resemble a polar bear in a snow storm. But that's cause they are all white, photographed on a white brackground. Yeah that's it. ;) ;)

Ok... I don't own any, but what I'd like to own... what the list has in it so far... in no particular order....

- CZ75 Shadow - the Aussie version is ok, but a bit blingy for me with it's gold/orange accents (Aussie outline map on the grip cover - pictured below). I'm an all black kinda guy.
- STI Trojan - but could slum it down to a Spartan if I had to  8)
- Beretta 92FS
- Colt 1911
- Springfield DX9
- Glock 17
- S&W M&P9
- SIG SP2022
- Ruger Mark 3 Target or Hunter (the only 22 I like)

No revolvers I know. They just don't do it for me. Although, Taurus does make a 17HMR revo which would be.... interesting...

(http://i.imgur.com/wx4FtjF.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on February 08, 2014, 11:40:51 PM
Interesting that there are TV ads for Henry Repeating Arms.
The only gun ads I see.
I LOVE Henry lever action rifles!

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on February 09, 2014, 01:38:07 AM
Eh mister .. You ever have a look over a Ruger Vaquero .45LC ?? ... They sit real nice in the hand too!  :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on February 09, 2014, 04:52:53 AM
Eh mister .. You ever have a look over a Ruger Vaquero .45LC ?? ... They sit real nice in the hand too!  :thumb:

When I shot a 44 mag, it felt odd. But hey, hitting the ten at 25 meters told me I was doing something right. ;)

Glocks? People tell me they aren't accurate. I don't know. Shooting a Service Match one guy who told me "good luck hitting anything with that" and who was shooting his own Springfield XD9 after me... when we were scoring/patching out he was wondering around, saw my targets and asked whose targets they were? Mine. Wow, you did that with the Glock? Yup. He fired two legs of service then walked off, it was plain to see he was lucky to get 6s. I asked if he was going to keep shooting and he said, I'll wait for everyone to be finished and then I've got some things to work on by myself, the gun isn't right. Well, no sh!t Sherlock, a nice even spray around the entire target, something sure as heck isn't right, but I doubt it was the gun.

Shot some NRA the other day with an STI Spartan. After six shots and six tens the RO behind me, who happens to hold the club record for Service, told me I was standing wrong and blah blah blah. Six shots, six tens and I'm standing wrong? Obviously I'm standing right, for me.

But getting back to revolvers. In my hand they just feel wrong. But next time I shoot a match, I'll see what revo I can borrow off of someone and give it a proper go for an entire match.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Badot on February 09, 2014, 03:58:02 PM
At this point I'm still pretty sure every pistol I own is more accurate than me (at least freehand). This includes a Helwan Brigadier (a gun that was built so bad it's been converted to straight blowback just so it can continue functioning without damaging itself).

What seems strange to me is I can shoot more accurately than 95% of the pistol shooters I've seen at the range, and I haven't even had a ton of practice. Some people should just spend more time/money practicing rather than buying 50 guns (unless they're not planning on using them for anything but screwing around at the range at least)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on February 09, 2014, 07:34:16 PM
old saying that i dont even know where its from or who said it.. "beware the one gun man!"
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on February 12, 2014, 03:02:27 AM
What seems strange to me is I can shoot more accurately than 95% of the pistol shooters I've seen at the range, and I haven't even had a ton of practice.

Basics seem simple to me.... hold gun correctly for required sight picture for target, pull trigger.

Somewhere between those two things, lots seems to go wrong. And some shooters are not self analyzing either, it seems, or have enough sense somehow.

I saw this girl trying to shoot a Buckmark at a target 10 meters away. The entire paper was like, 2 feet tall by 1 and 2/3 wide, with the roundel in the middle. Forget hitting the roundel, she struggled to hit paper. Fifty rounds later there were maybe a half dozen holes in the paper. The instructor was baffled cause not amount of showing her what sight picture she needed et al, made any difference Totally erratic.

Saw a woman do six shots laying down at 25 meters. In this position the butt needs to be on the ground or rested on your hand on the ground - thus you have slightly higher elevation. She put 4 shots into the second last baffle WTF!??? And she admitted she couldn't get a sight picture of the target - but pulled the trigger anyway. As far as I'm concerned, that's irresponsible shooting - having no idea where abouts the gun is pointed and pulling the trigger anyway.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Roxtar on February 12, 2014, 06:46:15 AM
At this point I'm still pretty sure every pistol I own is more accurate than me (at least freehand). This includes a Helwan Brigadier (a gun that was built so bad it's been converted to straight blowback just so it can continue functioning without damaging itself).

What seems strange to me is I can shoot more accurately than 95% of the pistol shooters I've seen at the range, and I haven't even had a ton of practice. Some people should just spend more time/money practicing rather than buying 50 guns (unless they're not planning on using them for anything but screwing around at the range at least)

My biggest problem when shooting a pistol was the flinch/anticipating the recoil. as a result, many of my shots were down and to the left. When I let the tigger break surprise me, I hit where I'm aiming. It's something I struggle with from time to time, but I'm getting better with practice.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on February 12, 2014, 03:09:11 PM
An interesting video:

http://bearingarms.com/shooting-to-stop-the-threat/

And in general, a very informative site:   http://bearingarms.com/
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on February 17, 2014, 02:10:45 PM
http://www.infowars.com/babys-got-a-gun/
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on February 17, 2014, 02:47:34 PM
I wish someone would take the .50BMG pistol concept beyond the concept stage. I WANT to see someone shoot this thing. the size of their forearm too
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on February 21, 2014, 12:52:57 AM
This is interesting. A 1960's era Hi-Standard Double-Nine  .22 LR
Single/double action 9 shooter. Pretty cool.

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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on February 23, 2014, 04:10:45 AM
That is cool!

sent by willpower and a phone

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on March 01, 2014, 05:42:18 AM
Our state cops are issued Glock 22s as standard and 23s for the smaller females who cannot handle the larger sized G22s.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on March 02, 2014, 02:31:48 AM
3D printable rubber band gun!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on March 03, 2014, 03:19:02 PM
shop has 2 17hmrs on hand. addy when you get out here , we're  going shooting
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Watcher on March 04, 2014, 07:37:36 AM
Can't believe I haven't come across this thread yet!

I've got plenty.  In no particular order:

Ruger SR1911 5" .45 ACP
Ruger SR9 9mm
Browning Buckmark "Standard" URX .22lr
Ruger 77/22 VBZ .22lr with a HAWKE Varmint 4-16x44 scope
Marlin 1970s Model 39A .22lr
Mosin Nagant M91/30 rifle
Mosin Nagant M44 carbine (sidefolder)
Mossberg 590A1 12g shotgun
SEARS Roebuck "JC Higgins" 16g bolt-action shotgun

Mostly for plinking and some home-defense.  Might be getting into competition shooting soon.

I have also owned a Taurus PT1911 in .45 but "upgraded" to the Ruger SR1911.

Planning on an AR sometime this summer.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on March 04, 2014, 10:51:05 AM
New AR trigger system coming out, shipping in late march.... to the tune of 600 bucks on onpointsupply.com     
No thanks, but a lot cooler than the slide-fire stocks. BATFE approved


Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Badot on March 04, 2014, 12:24:21 PM
I'm surprised that's not banned by the ATF... honestly it may only be a matter of time. As soon as this type of system goes mainstream there's no way in **** it'll stay legal.

Which is kinda unfortunate given that everyone who has some vague idea of how mechanical things work can make a full auto trigger.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Watcher on March 04, 2014, 07:36:08 PM
I'm surprised that's not banned by the ATF... honestly it may only be a matter of time. As soon as this type of system goes mainstream there's no way in **** it'll stay legal.

Which is kinda unfortunate given that everyone who has some vague idea of how mechanical things work can make a full auto trigger.


The trigger is 100% semi auto.  It's not even bump-fire assisting system like a slide-fire stock.

Quoted from Tac-Con "The 3MR is a drop-in 3-mode fire control system with Safe, Semi-Automatic, and Tac-Con™'s patented 3rd Mode.  The 3rd mode has a positive reset that dramatically reduces the split times between shots. The positive reset characteristic is achieved by transferring the force from the bolt carrier through the trigger assembly to assist the trigger back onto the front sear. As a result, this gives the firearm the fastest reset possible. Both semi and 3rd mode positions exhibit a non-adjustable 4.5 pound trigger pull weight."

From the sound of it, something physically pushes the trigger forward against your finger making the reset happen faster than you can release it.  In this way, if you maintain a consistent pull the trigger will continue to trip, reset, trip, reset, etc while your finger stays in contact with it.
If you are familiar with Tippmann paintball products, this is the same concept as the "response trigger".

Say pull weight is 4.5lbs and reset force is 5.5lbs.  You pull at 5lbs and it will cycle continuously.



It would take a very practiced hand to get any good at manipulating it, and it is a cool idea.  A touch on the expensive side, though.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Badot on March 05, 2014, 01:45:06 PM
From the sound of it, something physically pushes the trigger forward against your finger making the reset happen faster than you can release it.  In this way, if you maintain a consistent pull the trigger will continue to trip, reset, trip, reset, etc while your finger stays in contact with it.

This is what I assumed was the case. Studying the pictures...  in the 3rd selector position, it props that little lever in the back up by pushing downwards on the very rear. When the hammer is cocked the overtravel/inertia of it when it impacts the lever pushes the trigger back forward.

Realistically, whether it puts 1/4 lb or 100 lbs force into resetting the trigger it still operates of the same function. I'd call it full auto, though if the ATF decides it's not, I think I'm going to build myself a few new toys.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Roxtar on March 05, 2014, 01:45:59 PM
finished up my lower over the weekend
(http://www.projecttrackrat.com/b/ar_lower.jpg)
put a small scratch in the receiver when putting in the bolt catch pin... will get touched up soon.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Watcher on March 05, 2014, 07:09:18 PM
put a small scratch in the receiver when putting in the bolt catch pin... will get touched up soon.

It's just gonna get more scratches later, I wouldn't bother.

ARs look best when they have "scars"  :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: kyled25 on March 09, 2014, 11:30:52 AM
put a small scratch in the receiver when putting in the bolt catch pin... will get touched up soon.

It's just gonna get more scratches later, I wouldn't bother.

ARs look best when they have "scars"  :thumb:

agreed. Lookin good though roxtar. Use and abuse! scratches, scuffs, and wear marks add character  :D "Gear Queers" are the only one's who give a d*mn about scratches.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on March 11, 2014, 11:31:38 AM
Talk about dumb people.....

http://bearingarms.com/school-security-officer-calls-bomb-squad-over-three-expended-bullets/
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Badot on March 11, 2014, 12:58:29 PM
The only time I disagree with freedom of speech is when people act as an expert on things they know nothing about, especially when it brings peoples' rights into question.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on March 11, 2014, 01:35:12 PM
Wow! ... that's an awesome display of stupid in that story! ...
Can we organise for someone to send me a couple of those 20mm training slugs? :thumb:

sent by willpower and a phone

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mister on March 15, 2014, 07:30:53 PM
Geeze.... bloke would go nuts walking around hickok45's shooting area. He don't have illegal gravel... unless it's buried under three feet of spent shells... :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Watcher on March 16, 2014, 08:29:01 AM
I see your 20mm training slug and raise you one inert 155mm Howitzer medium artillery projectile  :2guns:

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/132/fw1s.jpg)


Actually, I think that's a 75mm projectile.  Haven't measured it yet, but it's definitely not a 155mm.  Still pretty bad-ass, though.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on March 17, 2014, 05:00:35 PM
New pistol powder, the only one around is called "unobtainable". An improved version of "NotBackorderable".
Even .22's are now floating around 20 cents each.
9mm is under 30 cents for some odd reason. But 380 acp 40 cents and up.
Colt 45's 50 cents? Hollow point colt's 60 cents? WTF?
Ammo prices are all topsey turvey.
45 colt brass non existent.
What's a person to do?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: slipperymongoose on March 17, 2014, 06:14:36 PM
Shoot com block weapons
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Badot on March 17, 2014, 06:31:06 PM
I recently started shooting non corrosive 7.62x54r... I walked out of the store with reloading dies, a pound of powder, and 100 bullets and primers (I already have some casings).

Kicker is, it cost less than 100 rounds of factory ammo would have cost me  :cookoo:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on March 17, 2014, 06:41:28 PM
New pistol powder, the only one around is called "unobtainable". An improved version of "NotBackorderable".
Even .22's are now floating around 20 cents each.
9mm is under 30 cents for some odd reason. But 380 acp 40 cents and up.
Colt 45's 50 cents? Hollow point colt's 60 cents? WTF?
Ammo prices are all topsey turvey.
45 colt brass non existent.
What's a person to do?

http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Black-Powder

(http://www.micksguns.com/images/zoli%201.jpg)

(http://www.vapa.org.au/Images/black%20powder%20rev.jpg)

then...

this
(http://www.renboots.com/Baldrics/PirateDbl1.jpg)

or this!!

(http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/images/P-473-488-90/36/3687/LABAF00Z/posters/bowlegged-cowboy-with-pistol.jpg)

 ;) :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Old Mechanic on March 17, 2014, 06:58:44 PM
Bought 7.62X54R for 8 cents a round, had 3500 rounds at one time, now down to less than 600, sold many of them for 400% more than I paid. Pull  the bullets and powder load them up in Brass cases, boxer primed and non corrosive.
A good friend passed 4 years ago this summer. Helped his widow sell his 390 (not a misprint) gun collection. Took a while but netted her close to $140K.
She gave me some of his ammo hoard, a few thousand rounds of .22 (lots of RWS match grade) and 3 cans of CMP .308 for my 140k serial number Garand (pre Pear Harbor) reciever that was built into a match rifle with a Douglas barrel. Easy MOA rifle except for my sucky old eyes.
I still have my Model 52 Winchester with a 12 power Lyman super target spot for the 22. Scopes help crappy old eyes.
Also bought a RWS model 5, sold under Beeman name for $80 at an auction. You want to shoot cheap, shoot pellets.
Posted before but my carry gun is one of the last H&K P7 (PSP) West German police issue. Best 9mm ever made, will even fire and cycle a .380. Super accurate gun, fun to pick off skeet at 50 years, but that was 30 years ago.
In 1971 at a show in Richmond Va. I saw a Confederate Whitworth (hexagonal bore) sniper rifle, one of 138 that got through the Federal blockade. Even that long ago it was $25K which at the time would buy you a nice house Today it would be a million dollar gun.

regards
Mech
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on March 17, 2014, 08:03:11 PM
 :embarrassed: Range was closed tonight. (the Rodger Dahl range - google it - you'd be surprised where it is located).
Seems in the immense downpour yesterday the electrical vault flooded and took out power.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on March 26, 2014, 11:20:23 PM
I owned a .17HMR - Savage 93R17 BTVS like this:

(http://www.fieldandstream.com/files/imagecache/photo-article/photo/18/savage22.jpg)
(but in .17HMR of course)

I'll tell you...if you want to shoot it a lot, plan on cleaning the barrel...a lot. I saw a dramatic decrease in accuracy after the first 25rds. Once I cleaned the barrel, it went back to where it was originally. The problem is that the round is very high velocity and the rifling is so small that it gets clogged with the copper from the jacket in short order. Normal solvent and brushing won't do it either, you have to use copper solvent to get it out. Still more, you have to have a special cleaning kit just for that gun. Standard cleaning rods won't fit into the barrel. On top of that, the barrel seemed to destroy the brushes quite quickly, I guess it was because they were so small. If that's not enough, the tolerances are such that it's extremely easy to damage the barrel - especially the crown.

TL;DR: It's high maintenance. The gun has to be cleaned with specific tools/chemicals at a very short interval to maintain accuracy.

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on March 26, 2014, 11:32:16 PM
my dad used to shoot a lot of foxes for the pelts back in the 70's when they were $30-$40 each to the tanneries ... used a .17 remington...  a lot different from the HMR (i know that now cos you corrected me Kij!)   :thumb:

but any .17 ... from his testing cleaning over tens of thousands of rounds... after every 20 shots ... religiously .. you can take it to 25 also... but he was needing to hit foxes between the eyes every time... usually night time and spotlighting ... 50 yards or so out to 250 yards or so... when freshly cleaned his Remington BDL would put 5 shots in 1" circle at 150 yards.... 20 shots later that would be out to 2.5" .. unacceptable for pelt damage .. 25 shots and it would be out to a bit over 3" ... which with a bit of wind is a clean miss... a lost fox/$40?

hoppes copper solvent i think was preferred?
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on March 26, 2014, 11:35:17 PM
Nice military style assault rifle illegal in some states (or must be registered).

Why? It has a thumb hole grip. To some, that one thing makes it an assault rifle. Thanks to idiots that make laws but don't know guns (oh, CA, CO, CT, MD, NJ, NY to name a few states)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Janx101 on March 27, 2014, 01:55:53 AM
A bolt action ..... Assault rifle?! .... Maybe in the hands of 'The Flash' ??!! ....

Geez.....  "stupid is as stupid does" .... Have to wonder not what the law makers thing... But if they think at all?!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Watcher on March 27, 2014, 08:52:12 AM
Remember, a barrel shroud is "the shoulder thing that goes up"  :cookoo:


The people who make the laws against guns are the people who are scared of guns, and people who are scared of guns know nothing about them.


It's the same kind of people that want to ban pit-bulls because they are vicious, and want to ban sports cars because they cause speeding...




The sad part is this "protectionist" culture is being taught in schools.

On several occasions my 8yr old niece has come up to me with some toy in a package and asked me to help her open it.
So I get my pocket knife out and she gasps and recoils slightly, and I am astonished.
Then I have to ask her why she is afraid of my knife?  She usually stays quiet.  I then explain to her if she wants to get the package open, she has to use a knife.  It's a tool, and when used properly is not a danger to anyone.
Then she usually relaxes but it happens every time.

I can't help but think some adult she is around often is putting it in her head that knives are bad.  I'm sure it's guns as well, I've had that conversation with her before and hope I set the record straight but she sees my firearms a lot less often than my pocket knife...


Pussify the youth and you remove the future resistance...
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Badot on March 27, 2014, 10:33:32 AM
A bolt action ..... Assault rifle?! .... Maybe in the hands of 'The Flash' ??!! ....

This is just a beautiful way of putting it that I would never have thought of  :bowdown:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on March 27, 2014, 12:15:28 PM
Odd thing is CA bans detachable magazines.I wonder how you load one if you can't remove it?
This is just the tip of the insanity going around.


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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Watcher on March 27, 2014, 12:40:33 PM
Odd thing is CA bans detachable magazines.I wonder how you load one if you can't remove it?
This is just the tip of the insanity going around.

CA legal weapons with detachable magazines, like AR-15s, have "bullet buttons".  The button is recessed and requires a tool to actuate, like a bullet tip, so they can't be quickly reloaded.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on March 27, 2014, 12:57:25 PM
Seems CA wants it harder to do. Don't  they realize that criminals will still have real guns and not the farkled up legal ones as defined by law? Only the honest will have restrictions. Criminals won't which is why  they are called criminals.

Disassembling your rifle at the range just to shoot  more than 10 or 15 rounds? I'm not sure where a lever action with an end loading feeding tube like a .22 lever gun fits. You can not remove the tube and it holds 18 .22's. Ruger 10-22 is now an assault weapon. I suppose soon someone will make a fast loading bottom fed fixed magazine so you can have fun shooting.

When they say "military style features" I suppose that could include  trigger and a barrel - and they probably will expand the law to include everything.

Interesting that gun related deaths are going down as gun ownership is increasing according to FBI statistics. Also, states with the strictest gun laws have the most violence. You never hear of crimes prevented or stopped by a law abiding person with a gun. Those out number the crimes with a gun. Never a gun shoot out at a gun show - only in "gun free zones" because there is no one to stop the criminal.

Glad I live in WA.

SB 47 amends the definition of an assault weapon to refer to a rifle that has one of several specified military-style features and “does not have a fixed magazine,” rather than a gun with one of those features and the “capacity to accept a detachable magazine. Continued legal possession requires that you REGISTER and pay a FEE (TAX) on ALL your semi-autos newly classified as “assault weapons.”

These new laws apply to rifles that do not have a fixed magazine. The laws define “fixed magazine” as an ammunition feeding device contained in, or permanently attached to, a firearm in such a manner that the device cannot be removed without disassembly of the firearm action. This wording essentially renders other magazine locking devices useless. AR-15 owners now have to disassemble their firearm action in order to release the magazine.

Just to be sure there is no confusion, the new law states (b) (1) Any person who, from January 1, 2001, to December 31, 2013, inclusive, lawfully possessed an assault weapon that does not have a fixed magazine, as defined in Section 30515, including those weapons with an ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from the firearm with the use of a tool, shall register the firearm before July 1, 2015. See here for exact wording of the law: SB 47.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Roxtar on March 27, 2014, 02:08:27 PM
most "assault weapon" bans apply only to things that are semi-auto and centerfire. a rimfire 10-22 should be okay.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Watcher on March 27, 2014, 02:12:56 PM
Wow, glad I'm not moving to Cali any time soon...

Those guys are going crazy with their gun laws.



I remember talks not too long ago about micro-engraving firing pin heads to put microscopic serial numbers and manufacturer data on struck primers so under a microscope the weapon firing the shots could be identified.
It's absolutely ridiculous, even if our technology was currently up to the task it'd be so easy to circumvent and cost so much to do, and would render 100% of all currently owned firearms illegal.

I'm amazed with what they can get away with.


@Roxtar, don't be so sure about that.  Where I live there was an assault weapons ban and it's limitations were defined within any long gun that is semi auto.  Shotgun, .22lr, centerfire, didn't matter.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: adidasguy on March 27, 2014, 02:17:12 PM
most "assault weapon" bans apply only to things that are semi-auto and centerfire. a rimfire 10-22 should be okay.
Depends on the state and the idiots there. It has a removable magazine with 10 rounds or more. NJ has bans and/or registration (read that as future confiscation) of rifles with more than 10 rounds, which by their definition makes Henry lever actions illegal and Henry is based in NJ.

To keep up on what is happening, his site is nice:
http://bearingarms.com/

http://bearingarms.com/now-new-jersey-threatens-to-ban-common-22-rifles-confiscate-guns/

    The New Jersey Assembly’s Law and Public Safety Committee was scheduled to hold a public hearing on Monday (postponed for snow) about a bill that reduces the maximum magazine capacity from 15 to 10.

    Since the legislation covers both detachable and fixed magazines, it has the effect of to banning popular, low-caliber rifles.

    The Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs gave the draft legislation to top firearms experts in the country to determine what guns would fall under the expanded ban.

    They discovered that the bill would affect tube-fed, semi-automatic rifles because the magazine cannot be separated from the gun.

    Thus, the experts found that at least 43 common rifles would suddenly be considered a prohibited “assault firearm,” such as the .22 caliber Marlin Model 60, Remington Nylon 66 and Winchester 190.

    Just having one such gun would turn a law-abiding owner into a felon overnight.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on March 27, 2014, 02:42:19 PM
Gotta love the gun laws Eh? Every single one has the effect of selling MORE.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Soloratov on March 28, 2014, 12:00:15 PM
As a prisoner of commy NY I can attest to the insanity of it all. Our beloved governor here rushed through his backwards law so poorly that it outlawed the police from carrying guns...YEAH, YOU READ THAT RIGHT. For about a month, the police were in violation of state law by carrying their service pistols. But oh that was fixed, then the 7rd limit imposed was just overturned too. How dumb is this administration? Well, ANY kind of AR-15 style rifle that has a pistol grip is illegal...but I can readily attach a bump-fire stock and it's perfectly fine. Here at least the rules are based on semi-auto rifles only. I purposely just went out and bought a beautiful Mossberg MVP .223 rifle for this reason. It uses AR-15 mags, I can attach the oh so scary muzzle break, add a scope, bipod and all the frills I want...cause it's bolt action. Thing is admittedly a tack driver too. The amazing statistic is, that after all these laws go out, MORE firearms are purchased, and lets be honest, Connecticut is a perfect example of how pathetic the registration laws are going to be...ineffective and ignored.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on September 05, 2014, 10:42:42 PM
I've been thinking about a new purchase lately; possibly selling off a few things too.

I had a guy interested in selling a nice Mark VII, Israeli-made Desert Eagle in .50AE but haven't heard back from him in a while. Probably sold it to somebody else. :(
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Watcher on September 06, 2014, 04:40:40 PM
The Desert Eagles set the scale at ridiculous, especially in 50AE.

There's no reason you would need anything with that kind of power in a handgun unless you take evening strolls in grizzly territory, and at the cost per round I would cry every time I went through a magazine.  If I really just wanted one as a range toy I'd get it in .357 so it'd be cheaper to shoot. 
But that's just my opinion.

That being said I heard the DEs are great shooters, and they aren't priced astronomically, so have fun if you get one  :thumb:




I've been thinking of a new gun as well, and selling some of my shooters to help pay for it, but right now I really should save my $$ for car stuff.
Looking at an AR.  Have a few in mind, but I need to get some in my hands.
Would be selling my 1970s Marlin 39A and my Mosin Nagant 91/30.  Don't really use those much anymore...
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on September 10, 2014, 04:36:20 AM
The Desert Eagles set the scale at ridiculous, especially in 50AE.

There's no reason you would need anything with that kind of power in a handgun unless you take evening strolls in grizzly territory, and at the cost per round I would cry every time I went through a magazine.  If I really just wanted one as a range toy I'd get it in .357 so it'd be cheaper to shoot. 
But that's just my opinion.

That being said I heard the DEs are great shooters, and they aren't priced astronomically, so have fun if you get one  :thumb:

I've had a Taurus 4" .44 magnum and a Rossi R971 4" 357. I just got tired of the 357 and the 44 never worked right so Taurus replaced the gun and I traded in the brand new replacement for my Mini 14.

I honestly want the Desert Eagle for its ubiquity and quality. The newer ones aren't as good, but the older Mark VII's are awesome. It uses a rotating bolt design similar to an AR-15 and is also one of the few gas operated pistols in the world. They're extremely accurate and let's face it...you pull that thing out at the range and everybody wants to look at it. :)

Check out Windham Weaponry AR-15's - great for the money.




I've been thinking of a new gun as well, and selling some of my shooters to help pay for it, but right now I really should save my $$ for car stuff.
Looking at an AR.  Have a few in mind, but I need to get some in my hands.
Would be selling my 1970s Marlin 39A and my Mosin Nagant 91/30.  Don't really use those much anymore...
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Watcher on September 19, 2014, 07:04:00 PM
Well...  I sold my GS500, and instead of socking the money aside for a new bike come spring I went and did something completely impulsive but incredibly awesome.

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/538/YtoNtD.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/eyYtoNtDj)

 :2guns:


I've got all winter to save up $$ for a bike, I'm planning on financing something new anyway, and I've wanted an AR since before I seriously got into motorcycles and never fulfilled that dream.  It's about time I indulged myself in a core desire  :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: bombadillo on October 15, 2014, 08:21:29 AM
Being that I am stuck in the ultimate commie state, I have been been looking at one of these beauties:

Mossberg MVP Patrol 5.56/.223
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Soloratov/Mossberg-MVP-Patrol_001.jpg)

OR

Kel Tec SU-16 A/B/CA
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Soloratov/Kel-tecSU-16.jpg)

Since we were recently informed that all our evil assault rifles were illegal, I needed an excuse to use the existing hardware and ammo I have. So, these guys use standard AR-15 mags. Both are 5.56/.223. I'm leaning toward the Mossberg however...I have a soft spot for bolt action. I like the precision...however, the thrill of semi auto is great. With both coming in around the same price it will come down to which I can get easier as they are both a bit hard to find.

If you want to know anything about the MVP, look no further than www.http://mossbergmvp.com/ 

I'm a mod on that site, and honestly, its probably my favorite long gun to take out and just plink or hunt varmints with.  I really advise you go ahead and grab one when you can.  You'll never regret it for the price.  www.budsgunshop.com is probably the best pricing out there on the MVP lineup.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kiwingenuity on July 21, 2015, 11:58:54 AM
Since its a bit of an unusual one - am picking up a replica DeLisle carbine this week - quite keen to try it out.  My brother has one and it is somewhat quiet for a .45

(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y387/kiwingenuity/IMG_3244_zpswnki7rdc.jpg) (http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/kiwingenuity/media/IMG_3244_zpswnki7rdc.jpg.html)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Lisle_carbine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Lisle_carbine)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Watcher on July 22, 2015, 08:56:08 PM
.45 is engineered for a 5" barrel.  Out of something like a 16" barrel it's damn quiet!  I got to shoot a replica 1920s style "Tommy Gun" and I was surprised at how gentle and quiet it was.

Cool find, that's a little known piece of history there!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Kijona on July 24, 2015, 04:28:37 PM
.45ACP has a much slower burning powder than say 9mm variants (380, Makarov, Luger, etc.) and .40. This results in softer, albeit heavier, recoil. .45ACP is one of my favorite rounds to shoot, other than .22LR.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Jespenshade12 on July 28, 2015, 09:14:59 PM
I have a 12 shotgun and a .223. No matter what though, I will always take my bow over my guns. Just love shooting the bow.

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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Watcher on July 28, 2015, 09:40:08 PM
I tried getting into bows for a little while, never struck a chord with me...

I've almost always been into guns, though.  Ever since I was little I always had BB guns or made models of them out of Legos or something.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: metatron on July 28, 2015, 11:11:13 PM
I have always been into guns too - Just not allowed to own any :( Apparently I am "Dangerous".
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: GeeEssFive on March 24, 2016, 10:26:57 PM
Beretta PX4 Storm .45- Carry this everyday for work
   -Safariland duty holster, polished feed ramp, converted to de-cocker only (no thumb safety), dings 'n' scratches  :thumb:
*UPDATE added grip tape, but pulled it.

(http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg571/Chair69/PX4Storm45_zpsmqobmmjm.jpg)

Ruger 10/22 Carbine 50th Anniversary
   -Dr.Frankenruger barracuda stock, polished guts, bolt buffer, modified(auto) bolt release

(http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg571/Chair69/1022_zpsxcewpexb.jpg)

Ruger LCP .380- just bought this awesome little thing, plan to move to a free, CC state in the future
   -Hogue Handall grip, polished barrel, Sticky Holster

(http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg571/Chair69/LCP380_zps0ocjovht.jpg)

Have another NJ pistol permit waiting to be used, gotta run out 30 days, going to use it for another .22
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Daeouse on March 25, 2016, 08:48:32 AM
I used to own a 50's .303 Enfield, but sadly nothing right now aside from a bow. . .
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: GeeEssFive on July 06, 2016, 09:10:23 PM
Newest addition, real proud of this guy

Ruger 22/45 lite Bronze (only available to dealers part of a ruger dealer sales rewards program, don't know exactly how rare, but its rare enough)

  -Hogue wrap-arounds, TK slingshot bolt release, TK hammer bushing, ZRTS comp, Ruger-Parts slide racker, Magazine bumpers, and removed the LCI, red dot on the way

(http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg571/Chair69/20160628_193004_zpstjaz9plg.jpg)

(http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg571/Chair69/20160628_192831_zpsnqnj7c1y.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Daeouse on July 07, 2016, 07:55:39 AM
Very nice piece of kit indeed. . . :thumb:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: rscottlow on July 08, 2016, 11:43:34 AM
Looks like there are quite a few Ruger owners on here. I'm very partial to my SR9 - it was my first pistol, and was my EDC for quite a while until I picked up an LCP. I also have a 10/22 carbine. All excellent shooters.  :2guns:

I'd love to invest in some heirloom pieces, but the polymer guns are so much lighter, cheaper, and more practical. A quality .357 is high up on my list...probably not something that I would shoot often, but something that I can pass down to my son one day.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Watcher on July 09, 2016, 11:09:50 PM
Looks like there are quite a few Ruger owners on here. I'm very partial to my SR9

I loved my SR9, but I eventually gave it away.  I replaced it with the 9E, and I actually like the 9E better.  They did away with the adjustable sights, but the replacement sights actually have a slightly longer radius and larger dots, and it uses a more traditional dovetail cut in the slide.
They also did away with the LCI, which I think is kind of gimmicky anyway.
The square cut to the slide technically has more mass, if I remember correctly, but if it's anything it's barely noticeable and I quite like the angular look.  The fatter slide serrations I don't think are that big of a detriment either.  I don't recall the SR9 serrations being all that sharp anyway, and I still get plenty of grip on the 9E slide even with gloves.

Same internals, same trigger, identical frame, same performance, all for about $100 less than the SR9.  Good deal!

When I start to carry I'll definitely look at Ruger's offerings in compact and subcompact.  If I can get away with a SR9C I'll gladly carry that, but I'm also thinking LC9.
Or, I'm also a fan of Smith&Wesson.  My M&P15 was awesome, and my cousin competes with M&P9s.  Always meant to get an M&P9 myself, but priorities...  A Shield in 9mm would be welcome on my side.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: rscottlow on July 11, 2016, 05:34:56 AM
When I start to carry I'll definitely look at Ruger's offerings in compact and subcompact.  If I can get away with a SR9C I'll gladly carry that, but I'm also thinking LC9.
Or, I'm also a fan of Smith&Wesson.  My M&P15 was awesome, and my cousin competes with M&P9s.  Always meant to get an M&P9 myself, but priorities...  A Shield in 9mm would be welcome on my side.

I haven't seen the 9E in person, but from what I've seen online, it looks nice...definitely better looking than the SR9 (except I like the stainless slide), and if it's $100 less than the SR9, that's really nice. I agree, the LCI is very gimmicky - I don't like useless "safety" features.

I've never shot an LC9 or 9c. I thought about both, and looked at them pretty extensively when I bought the LCP, but I really wanted something small enough that I can carry in a pocket holster when necessary...the LC9 is just a hair too big for that.

A good friend of mine is partial to S&W. He's got a bodyguard, which he carries regularly, and whatever their compact .40 is called, which he keeps in his car. Both are great shooters. He also had an M&P15 for a while, and that thing was a blast.

Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: rscottlow on July 11, 2016, 05:38:23 AM
And, because everyone loves photos...(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160711/42f90ba391568a5ce4ec1d31d26dbe7b.jpg)


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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on July 11, 2016, 11:04:24 AM
Did have for a short bit of time, a " smith and wesson survival kit" in a BRIGHT  orange  box it contained a bit of kit, among this was a decent knife along with a snub nose s&w 500 lol revolver i shot it once and never EVER again. funnest long gun ive ever had the pleasure ( besides the 50bmg) was a 1216 a 12ga holding 16rds . a dream?  of mine is to acquire 2 ruger 10/22 s  and a gatling gun kit. (legal albeit pricy) fires as fast as you can crank the firing handle.
Aaron
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: ShowBizWolf on January 02, 2017, 03:31:05 PM
Bumpity cuz this is a neat thread and also I finally got my first gun yesterday. I've gone shooting in the past but never bothered to get my permit to carry until about a month ago... and yesterday my dad gave me (what he remembers to be) his first gun. I'm now the proud owner of a .32 Iver Johnson hammerless 5 shot revolver :woot toot:

I'll have to take a picture when I get home from work tonight. I spent about 2 hours yesterday reading up about it online and cleaning it etc.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: the_63 on January 02, 2017, 03:53:35 PM
They won't let me have a handgun  :bs:

Chris
 O0
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Watcher on January 02, 2017, 04:00:13 PM
Congrats on your first firearm  :2guns:

I don't know too much about Iver Johnson, it's a pretty obscure name but they are a US based company.



I actually downsized recently.  Once again.
Sold off my SEARS shotgun and one of my 9mms.

Eh, that SEARS shotgun was in a rather outdated gauge and the 9mm was basically a twin.
When my sister first moved to AZ I "gave" her my Ruger SR9 and replaced it with a Ruger 9E.
Now that I'm in AZ with her she said she didn't need it anymore.
So I took it back and sold my 9E.

All I have is my SR9 and my Mossberg 590A1

Still miss my AR-15 and my 1911s.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: ShowBizWolf on January 02, 2017, 04:07:03 PM
Thanks Watcher! I'm pretty excited about it.

Based on everything I've read online so far, the model I have is the "Safety Automatic Hammerless" 2nd Model because it has the trigger safety... there is however one youtube video I watched where they guy says if the opener lever on the top can only be operated from one side (like mine) then it's a 1st Model... but the 1st Model isn't supposed to have the trigger safety so idk. I do know that if mine's the 2nd Model, it was made sometime between 1897 and 1908  :icon_eek:  8)

Anyone have some good tips on how to clean an ancient leather holster? Been googling that a bit today.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Watcher on January 02, 2017, 04:17:15 PM
Oh, it's a top break, that's pretty cool.

I was never a revolver guy myself, but now that I live in the West I'm compelled to own something "cowboy".

Maybe I'll get another Marlin lever-gun if I can find one pre-Remington.
Or I'd like an old Single-Action.  Ruger Vaquero or something.  Just because.  I'd get a modern caliber, though, .357 or something, no .45-70 Govt or .327 Fed or anything like that.

Sorry but I don't know anything about caring for leather.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: rscottlow on January 02, 2017, 04:51:28 PM
Congrats on your first gun. It can become another expensive hobby, but it's fun.

Watcher, why did you choose to keep the SR rather than the 9E? Just curious...I don't much care for that stupid chamber indicator on my SR9.

I also have an LCP which is my every day carry. I got a new holster for Christmas but I don't care for it. It chafes badly...could just need broken in, but mostly it's just really obvious when I'm carrying in my work attire.


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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: rscottlow on January 02, 2017, 04:54:05 PM
I like the idea of an old-style single action revolver. I would love to have a Ruger Bearcat one day, partially because I'm a University of Cincinnati alum, but also because I like how cheap it is to shoot 22lr (if you can ever find them) in comparison to larger caliber revolver cartridges.


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Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Watcher on January 02, 2017, 05:07:35 PM
Watcher, why did you choose to keep the SR rather than the 9E? Just curious...I don't much care for that stupid chamber indicator on my SR9.

I actually liked the 9E better but there were a few reasons why I went SR.
For one my 9E was unfired and as such was an unknown and I needed a carry gun.  My SR9 had proven itself to me already.
Also, the holsters I have didn't fit the 9E.  The 9E does fit SR9 gear, but it has a different slide profile so it was sticking in my Blackhawk.

The LCI is unnecessary, but it's not like it's a disadvantage or anything.
It's actually a tactile way to tell if it's in battery, though, so I have some small use of it.
It basically lives in the holster so when I put the holster on a quick pass of my hand reassures me it's condition 1.

But the 9E has better sights and I actually like the look of the more geometric slide.

Actually once I get some cash flow I'll probably be getting rid of the SR and getting something else.
For one I need a compact.  Full-Size works for me now because I ride pretty much everywhere and it's jacket weather, but come spring/summer I need something less conspicuous.
Ruger's new LCPII looks great, hopefully they follow up with an LC9II because I think .380 is a bullshit cartridge.

As for a full-size, I'll probably get something more "tactical".
I like Rugers so their new "American" is in the running but I've heard mixed reviews.
The new CZ P10C looks legit as well, or I might get a tried and true M&P.

And I think this time around I'll go 9mm for a 1911 instead of the traditional .45ACP.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Big Rich on January 02, 2017, 05:28:29 PM
Good get Showbiz!

Having little (ok..... no) knowledge of that revolver, I did a Google search and found this: https://www.google.com/amp/www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/03/don-gammill-jr/gun-revieww-iver-johnson-32-sw/amp/?client=ms-android-verizon

There's a part in the article that says the first models should only be used with black powder rounds, and not to use modern rounds in them. When in doubt: take it to a gunsmith and have them check it out. They will give you some history of the gun, and also tell you if it is safe to fire.

When I got my .303 British Ross rifle (Wikipedia link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_rifle) , I had to take it to a gunsmith for the same reasons. Heck, the rifle is over 100 years old with a straight bolt pull..... things can get sketchy after a century. Haha.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Watcher on January 02, 2017, 05:39:26 PM
I think WWII era .303 Brit cartridges were charged with Cordite instead of powder  :icon_eek:

Good advice, though.  Black-powder weapons might not have the structural integrity to handle smokeless powder.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: ShowBizWolf on January 02, 2017, 06:32:49 PM
I do believe you may be correct Rich!

I too found that article when I was reading last night/early this morning and I also found this one here which helped me to determine what model mine may be... http://www.guns.com/2013/04/20/iver-johnson-safety-revolvers-glorious-contradictions/ ...but I still can't get to the bottom of why I have the trigger safety and the single side release latch... oh well... I'll keep searching.

I know it's been fired quite a few times by my dad and he gave me a decent amount of ammo for it. I most certainly want to have the correct ammo. The one vid I was talking about says it takes the black powder 32 s&w short cartridges but I've found so many other comments saying that regular ammo is fine. I don't plan on shooting this gun a billion times at the range, that's for sure lol

rscottlow, I like the look of that Bearcat!! There's no doubt about it, I'm drawn to the revolvers.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: ShowBizWolf on January 02, 2017, 11:01:59 PM
Pics pics... here we go now that I'm home from work:
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i312/HeavyMetalMopars/P1010010.jpg)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i312/HeavyMetalMopars/P1010005.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Watcher on January 03, 2017, 12:41:35 AM
Re: Trigger safety and release latch.

It's very well possible it was a transitional firearm, where the trigger was added before the latch was phased out or something.  Or it could have been a simple matter of a customer owning the 1st model but wanting the new model trigger system and rather than buy a whole new gun he just bought the frame and swapped.

Especially considering the latch is a part of the barrel/cylinder assembly, unless the timing and tolerances were changed between generations an old barrel would probably bolt right onto a new frame and work just fine.

Unless you take it to a historian you may never know.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: rscottlow on January 03, 2017, 06:01:56 AM
I agree with Rich...take it to a gunsmith and have them look it over. I think that's always a good idea when inheriting or purchasing an older firearm, not only for safety reasons, but you're likely to get a good history lesson at the same time.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: ShowBizWolf on January 03, 2017, 12:13:57 PM
Okay. Sounds like a plan!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: rscottlow on January 03, 2017, 12:37:49 PM
It's a really pretty gun. Don't be too surprised if your local gunsmith makes you an offer.

I do wish my dad and/or grandfathers were into guns at all. I don't have any heirloom pieces to pass down to my kids. My dad never even thought of purchasing a firearm until after I bought my first gun a few years ago. My father-in-law has a couple of pieces that were passed down to him, but nothing of any significant value (sentimental or monetary).

I guess now is as good a time to start a tradition as any. The problem with most firearms these days is that they're plastic. When I think of an heirloom piece, I think hardwood and stainless. Which is part of the reason I'd like to purchase a nice single action revolver like the Bearcat that I mentioned earlier. I like the redwood/blued version of the bearcat shopkeeper...I think it looks really classic. My father-in-law also has a Remington 870 in 20 gauge that I think he plans to hand down to my son one day. And I have the same gun in 12 gauge. My boy is only 4 right now, but one of these days I'm sure he'll be interested...
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Watcher on January 03, 2017, 04:57:07 PM
I guess now is as good a time to start a tradition as any. The problem with most firearms these days is that they're plastic. When I think of an heirloom piece, I think hardwood and stainless. Which is part of the reason I'd like to purchase a nice single action revolver like the Bearcat that I mentioned earlier. I like the redwood/blued version of the bearcat shopkeeper...I think it looks really classic.

Well, part of what you feel ties into the fact that a lot of heirloom pieces are civil-war era, "Wild-West", or WWI and WWII firearms.  Not only do these firearms have great personal history, but great social history as well.  Someone's M1 Garand that his grand-pappy carried in Normandy is an AMAZING heirloom!
Someone's plastic Remington 870 they bought from Cabela's doesn't have that kind of heritage.  While it may have personal significance (Pappy's first deer, and also my first deer, and maybe my son's first deer, etc) it'll never have social gravity.
At the same time, if a soldier from Afghanistan was able to take his M16 home, that plastic gun would have great heirloom status.


But in the end, anything can be made an heirloom as long as it has high sentimental value to the owner and to the "ownee".

I'm not attached enough to any of my guns to do such a thing.  It would potentially be my Browning Buckmark, but it's not really sentimental to me and I am even considering selling it for one of the new Ruger Mk4 22/45s.  I never quite liked the 22/45 because of the "dimple" design of the controls and the complexity of takedown.  Despite needing an allen-wrench to take apart my Buckmark for service it seemed simpler to me, and the controls being "platforms" better mimics the 1911.  But now that they've gone and made the 22/45 a push-button take-down and switched from the "dimples" to more "platform" safeties and slide releases I'm all about it.  Being a Ruger fan at heart I like the idea that it's made in my home state with a lifetime warranty.  Browning is a great company, too, but they don't offer a lifetime of service!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Big Rich on January 03, 2017, 06:22:03 PM
My dad has given me one gun - a Marlin Model 60 (22lr, semi auto). It was his first gun as a kid, but he never told me how he aquired it. When I got it I just wanted to clean the action a little bit and refinish the wooden stock - nothing crazy. When I took off the plastic butt plate, there was a name etched in the wood. So I called up my dad and asked "who's Joe Schmoe?". That's when he told me that he ended up bartering for the Marlin, and that kids name was his friend from his youth.

Not an heirloom by any means (at least, not to anybody else), but there's always cool stories with older guns.

Oh yeah! My dad did give me a 22 convertible revolver too. No idea who made it, since the only identification on it was "Made in East Germany". I took it to the range with a bunch of 22lr and 22mags to try and sight it in so my dad could carry it for small game season. Got it pretty sighted in with 22lr and swapped cylinders for the 22 mag..... that's when all hell broke loose. The 22 mag cylinder didn't line up PERFECTLY with the barrel, which caused a slight backfire. It literally snapped the frame directly in front of the rear sight.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Watcher on January 03, 2017, 06:38:55 PM
@Big Rich  :icon_eek:   :cry:
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Big Rich on January 03, 2017, 06:44:50 PM
No kidding. My dad was at work when it happened, but knew I was at the range. I called him immediately and said "Dad, nobody was hurt but I have some bad news....."

He was just glad nobody was hurt. Those East Germans don't make them like they use to!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: qcbaker on January 04, 2017, 06:23:34 AM
I don't personally own any guns, but I like shooting a lot. I was on a youth .22 rifle team for a couple summers when I was younger and I've done a bunch of trap shooting and such. My dad used to own a couple guns but I'm fairly sure he sold them a long time ago... My heirloom piece from my dad is (according to him) his R75 lol. My grandfather was in WWII and brought home a Luger I think, but I'm not 100% what happened to it. My dad has a lot of WWII stuff (helmets, medals, 2 bayonets, stuff like that) but no guns to my knowledge.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Watcher on October 26, 2018, 01:00:28 AM
Thought I might revive this thread, I've got a couple of new pieces.  One was an impulse buy, one has been a long time coming.  Of the two the long-time coming was a carry gun, but not just a carry gun, something that can be carried CCW and used both with and without motorcycle gear on.

I was considering a lot of things as a carry item, and since most of my time is spent on bike simplicity and use with gloves was a concern.
I'm typically a thumb-safety user for handguns, but with thick gloves on I can see that being a hindrance more than a benefit, so I was actually considering a revolver for a while.  Realistically, though, the jacket and gloves are going to come off when I get to where I'm going so something lower profile is really a better idea.  Plus reloading a revolver with some Alpinestars SP2 gauntlet gloves on is basically impossible, where as with an auto it might just be a little more difficult.
So I figured for a while that a compact is a decent compromise, but it's still got the same issue as the revolver where it's bigger than necessary outside of actually riding.  It's got the same downsides as a full-size where it's harder to conceal when wearing casual clothes, unless I want to open-carry, but if I'm going to open-carry I'm just going to carry full-size.

Sub-compact is mostly dominated by .380s and they're a more than a little small for use with gloves on.  As much as I'd like a Sig P238 or equivalent they're going to be a strictly off-bike carry gun and I'm rarely off bike.  Size up a little bit?  P938?  Better, but still a little small and with a 1911 manual of arms the thumb safety is difficult to use in riding gloves.
I'm a big Ruger fan, I looked at the LC9 and EC9 (especially attractive because of the price), but they've got almost an odd thinness to them and grip traction isn't great.  They are contoured on the sides of the frame which is probably really comfortable to wear but a little odd in the hand (opposite of a palm swell), and the grip is a little on the smooth side.  Once again, probably wears great but grips traction is a little down.

Then I came across the Smith & Wesson case.  Basically fell in love with the M&P Shield pistols, they're almost perfect.  Thin but not weirdly so, "full-size" calibers, no thumb-safety to fumble with, big enough to feel good in the hand with gloves on yet small enough to handle and conceal otherwise, big enough trigger guard for a gloved hand, positive mag-release button that can be used with gloves but not accidentally disconnected, and a surprisingly good trigger for a CCW gun.
Got it.  Specifically it's an M&P 9 Shield 2.0.  The 2.0 brings a number of changes over the normal M&P series, but most notably the grip is a lot, well, grippier and the trigger is way better.
I nearly got the full size M&P 9 2.0 as well, but I don't need to spend the money on that, I already have a full size 9mm (Ruger SR9).

Still playing around with holster options.  I picked up a Galco KingTuck Air IWB which feels great so far, and it's nice and tight when dressed down, but it's a little "hidden" when I've got my jacket on.  I'm thinking a low profile kydex OWB holster might fit the bill.  It'll be more accessible on the bike but may still be concealable with a loose t-shirt.  Spare magazine is a concern as well, there doesn't seem to be many good IWB magazine pouches and OWB pouches are a little bulky.  Might just be something I need to learn to deal with.

Anyway, the impulse buy.  It was a lightly used Heritage Mfg "Rough Rider", a single-action revolver in .22lr.  For $150!  :2guns:
I live in cowboy country, was kinda geeked on getting a "cowboy gun", but something like a Ruger Vaquero in .45 Colt is not only expensive to buy (like $800) but expensive to shoot.
Cowboy fix for $150 and the most inexpensive ammo you can get?  It's a range toy anyway, sign me up!  Just need to get a holster for it.
+1, if anyone is familiar with Hickok45 on YT he shoots one and gives it a thumbs up as a surprisingly well made and fun to shoot revolver.  Something I kind of want to do is test it out with CBs or some CCI Quiet-22 and see if it's hearing-safe.  If so, could be a gun I can hike into the desert with and do some plinking.  Out here public land is ok to shoot on, so long as it's done safely and doesn't damage any property or protected wildlife.  Being single-action the rounds load and unload manually, so I can even easily recover the brass cases so I don't leave any garbage behind.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mr72 on October 26, 2018, 04:10:25 AM
Cool stuff Watcher. Good point about operation with gloves. I still like my Kahr pistols but I do need to try them with my moto gloves.

I think a kydex OWB is the right answer especially with a motorcycle jacket, but of course in TX (as well as AZ IIRC) open-carry is ok so I wouldn't have to worry about complete concealability especially when actually on the motorcycle. I think my leather moto jacket would cover my little CM9 in an OWB kydex holster just fine when standing and walking around. The one big thing that sometimes stops me from carrying on the bike is that my office is a legally-posted no-guns zone so on the rare occasion once or twice a week that I go into the office I would have to have a place to disarm and lock up my firearm before going into the office. There's just no good way to do that on a motorcycle. But other than that I am fully in the habit of carrying everywhere everyday, either my ultra-concealable Ruger LCP with a clip that works sans holster for like 9 years now or in a pocket holster or ankle holster, and/or often my Kahr CM9 in a FIST kydex IWB. I made a few OWB kydex holsters for the Kahr pistols which work great but they are too bulky for my tastes.

This all reminds me, I need to get to the range. It's been a while, way too long. Thanks for the reminder!
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: Watcher on October 26, 2018, 11:59:50 AM
... of course in TX (as well as AZ IIRC) open-carry is ok so I wouldn't have to worry about complete concealability especially when actually on the motorcycle. I think my leather moto jacket would cover my little CM9 in an OWB kydex holster just fine when standing and walking around.

Even so I still think when I'm open-carrying I'll be open-carrying, if I'm concealing I want to conceal.  Despite being in AZ it's actually a fairly liberal area (with a lot of out-of-state traffic and temporary residency this time of year), so the last thing I want is someone to think I'm trying to hide something.  In this way I want it out of sight and out of mind or blatant as can be.
Sort-of-concealed is a big miss for me.  My mind may change with experience.

The one big thing that sometimes stops me from carrying on the bike is that my office is a legally-posted no-guns zone so on the rare occasion once or twice a week that I go into the office I would have to have a place to disarm and lock up my firearm before going into the office. There's just no good way to do that on a motorcycle.

That's quite a damper.  My company's stance is essentially "don't be armed on the clock".  I can carry in, disarm in the back-room (I have a safe code so that's handy), re-arm before I leave, then carry out.  I'm definitely going to start.  Part of what prompted me to finally go out and get something is a shooting down the corner.  It's not the BEST area, even so I never really felt unsafe (even with drug-addicts and homeless wandering around pestering everyone), but maybe I've been lucky or just haven't really understood the potential danger.  I do often leave alone late at night, I do own a nice motorcycle, it is a sketchy area, I have enough reasons now besides the typical "Yay, 2A, it's legal, armed citizen, etc" reasons.

But other than that I am fully in the habit of carrying everywhere everyday, either my ultra-concealable Ruger LCP with a clip that works sans holster for like 9 years now or in a pocket holster or ankle holster, and/or often my Kahr CM9 in a FIST kydex IWB. I made a few OWB kydex holsters for the Kahr pistols which work great but they are too bulky for my tastes.

To me pocket isn't a possibility and not just because my Shield is too big.  Gloves makes it inaccessible, and I usually have other things in my pocket that hinder it such as pocket-knives, wallet, flashlight, chapstick, etc.
Shoulder isn't really possible either, I just don't dress the part and on the bike it would be very hard to access.
Ankle never made sense to me.  It's just so inaccessible, and my intended use is more or less anti-mugging or anti-vehicular theft so that's as bad as not carrying at all.  Plus you're limited to a very small package, otherwise you're going to walk funny.  You might walk funny regardless.
For a police officer as a last-ditch weapon I guess I can see it, but for an armed citizen I think it doesn't make much sense.

I think a kydex OWB is the right answer especially with a motorcycle jacket.

I picked up a Blackhawk paddle holster and it's much more ideal when under a jacket.  With every upside comes a downside, though, and as expected it prints heavily if I just wear a T-shirt.  So it's an over-shirt/jacket/hoodie only sort of option in regards to concealing it.  For colder weather it'll be great, and when riding the retention is a win, but I think my Galco IWB will be the primary carry method.

But I'm fairly new to this, so it may just take some trial and error to see what works best.
Title: Re: Gun Owners?
Post by: mr72 on October 26, 2018, 12:19:28 PM

I picked up a Blackhawk paddle holster and it's much more ideal when under a jacket.  With every upside comes a downside, though, and as expected it prints heavily if I just wear a T-shirt.  So it's an over-shirt/jacket/hoodie only sort of option in regards to concealing it.  For colder weather it'll be great, and when riding the retention is a win, but I think my Galco IWB will be the primary carry method.

But I'm fairly new to this, so it may just take some trial and error to see what works best.

Well, I've been at this for over a decade now, and I can tell you that when I am carrying the LCP, no matter what method, even on the beach clipped inside the waist band of swim trunks, NOBODY knows I'm carrying. Ever. And even when I carried my Kahr CW9 with the full-length grip IWB I thought the butt stuck out like a sore thumb and certainly everyone would see it but NOBODY ever saw it. Ever. I mean, everyone was shocked to know I was carrying. The CM9 is better for my peace of mind and only one round shorter magazine, so that works well. But like I say, nobody ever has known I was carrying, even with my S&W SW9VE which is a "compact" aka full-size double-stack 9mm.

As far as holsters go, far and away the most comfortable for me is either my Crossbreed Supertuck or an Alien holster I have which has a sort of neoprene backing but otherwise is basically just like the Crossbreed. Problem with these holsters is they are just a giant PITA to put on and remove, so if I have to disarm in the car, it's pretty much a no-go unless I want to walk around with an empty holster all day. I like the FIST ultra-thin Kydex holsters with J-hook, they work extremely well and are reasonably comfortable to wear all day, that's what I typically carry my 9mm in. Not as stable or as comfortable as the Crossbreed type, but man are they easier to manage. I have a few.

I have a Galco tuckable leather holster for my LCP and I never ever use it. I find the Kydex holsters or the kydex-on-leather like the Crossbreed are just way better in terms of retention and fit. I might try a Galco belt-slide holster as an OWB under a jacket or overshirt kind of thing, looks like it'd be uber comfortable and very usable.

One thing I really notice is that these IWB holsters wear holes through my jeans from the inside where the end of the barrel rubs. I put iron-on patches in all of them to prevent this. It's a serious pain.

As far as method of carry where you can get to it on a motorcycle, I actually think off-body is a really good option, especially with a single-stack tiny pistol with a clip like my LCP (they make those clips for hundreds of single-stack guns). You can clip the gun to the inside of an exterior pocket with a flap over it on a messenger bag and this is very easy to get to. I do this quite frequently too, and have probably a half dozen or more messenger bags that I use for this. I also have carried the LCP lik