Sorry if this is a repeat, but didn't really find anything by doing a search. Who makes frame sliders for our Gs's and will they fit on a F model? Any pics? Thanks for your help!
Check this site, they do have them, but some cutting of the fairing on an 04 would probably be neccesary.
http://www.whaccessories.com/GS500Accessories.htm
frame sliders will NOT work on a GS the motor sticks out too far from the frame.
Quote from: davipuframe sliders will NOT work on a GS the motor sticks out too far from the frame.
Are u talking about for 500F?
I have a frame slider from Wild Hair. It helps my bike a lot when I went down. ;)
yeah I was, in the pic it looks like it only sticks out about a half inch past the motor. maybe you can take some better pictures that show the relationship between the slider and the edge of the motor.
Yes! I'm talking about the 500F, if you have pictures, please post them! I haven't dropped my bike (luckily!) but I would like to get them just in case I do...(I think it's just a matter of time)...Also, from the Wild Hair site, which slider did you get?
Thanks!
You can get more info here...
http://www.amcmotorcycles.com.au/contents/en-uk/d139.html
or here
http://www.metisse.de/deutsch/stupads.html
http://www.metisse.de/
But...it doesn't look like one is made for the GS500F yet.
I wonder if you could use a GSXR 600 frame slider and replace the bolt above the "S" in the side fairing...gonna have to look closer at this. Not sure where that bolt goes into (sitting at work right now).
Scott
:) try these guys
http://www.venhorstrocks.com/SUZUKI_GS500F_PARTS.html
Thanks. Do you know what those are bolting into? I assume, since it is so high, it is not the engine mount. Just the frame?
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I just contacted these guys. I'll let you know what I find out. They may be able to suggest one they have that will suit the purpose. They even have a "how to" section.
http://www.inturace.com
http://www.inturace.com/Tutorial/FS1.htm
Scott
Ok...I've done some more research here and I think I know why no one is making frame sliders for the GS500F...not that it can't be done. But, not as easily or as usefull/practical as other models.
The truly strongest mounting points are obviously on the frame. In the photos below, they are either the engine mount bolts or the bolts that hold the small radiator behind the fairing (see fs1.jpg and fs2.jpg below).
http://www.southjerzriderz.com/misc/fs1.jpg
http://www.southjerzriderz.com/misc/fs2.jpg
That would place them somewhere near the red dots on the following photo:
http://www.southjerzriderz.com/misc/fs3.jpg
From the first set of photos, you can see that the 'engine mount' solution would make the frame slider EXTREMELY long to get through the fairing and do any good for protecting the fairings. You would also have to drill out your fairing to fit the entire slider through it.
Same with the second set of photos...and those bolts are at angles to begin.
The "fairing protectors" that were described and advertised for the GS500F made by Mark Venhorst that go in the bolt above the "S" go into the metal bracket used to mount the fairing. In my opinion, and his, this would pretty much do nothing in a crash at speed, but bend the bracket and break the fairing. They were intented for a fall over type of accident. Albiet...better than nothing.
To be honest...I think the best bet would be to have someone fabricate (i.e. lathe) metal frame sliders for the two "red dot" mount points I have illustrated above. These would give the best body protection. The lower could actually thread onto the exposed ends of the engine mount bolts (much like "riding/stunt pegs" on a kids bicycle) the upper could be mounted at an angle if necessary (it is only a slight angle).
The ones from Metisse for the GS500E MAY work for the lower ones...IF they are long enough to stick through the fairing far enough to be effective. Does anyone have these? Can you measure the length from engine mount to end of slider?
Thoughts?
Scott
Update...the Matisse crash protectors are 115mm long (about 4.5") so they should be able to extend about 1.5" past the fairing if a hole is cut through. I think I may order a set and test it out. Has anyone mounted these on a 2004 GS500F yet?
Scott
i actually bought a frame "protector" from ebay made for a r1 i believe. it fits on the small allen screw top of the fairing. works great! dropped my bike recently and the only thing scratched was my bar-ends and a little of the engine cover. nothing major. none of the fairings were scratch
I will help settle this. I am ordering both...the "Fairing Protectors" and the Metisse Frame Protectors for my 2004 GS500F.
I plan to put the fairing protectors up top for the slow speed need and then mount (and cut through the fairing) for the Metisse "Polished Strada" slides. As I said before, they should extend about 1.5" past the fairing hopefully.
If that doesn't work, I will at least have a model (from the Metisse) to have custom one's turned on a lathe that will extend further through the fairing.
I'll update here once everything is installed.
Scott
Update: I got the Venhorst fairing protectors and installed them today (uploaded a pic to the Wall of Fame). Yes, they attached to the fairing mount and not the frame. The quality though of the protector is good. It would definitely help protect the fairings from scratches, etc. on a fall or slow-speed crash. I plan to get the Matisse ones sometime after Christmas too for added crash protection. I'll send another update then.
I have a plan for the 04's ... since Scott seems to have dropped the idea ...
I'll get some 1/4 by 1 inch steel flat bar ... drill a hole in it and bend it into a multi step U shape ... OK Will look positively disgusting but Like any other design is gonna look pretty ... You bolt it in the top engine mount bolt using the long bolt I will include ... and it will sit outside the fairing OK then bolt a pretty looking shiny some or other to it and cover it up... Advantage - No sawing off a fist sized hole in the fairing ...
Cool.
Srinath.
OK 04 guys ... please make these measurements if you can ... I'll crank out some prototypes in the next week ... have steel will bend ...
The room between the fairing and the frame at the point where the top front motor mount is ... and OK right side only ... left we dont need no steenkin left... OK OK prototype for right first ... then left ... OK OK send me left too then ... and the distance from the bolt hole to the front lip of fairing .... and the actual fairing thickness and if there is a curled lip that will be the thickness ... cos I have to clear that as well ...
Cool.
Srinath.
Srinath:
I haven't dropped the idea completely. Still need that bolt from you too. I am going to try the Metisse and use them as a "model" if they don't work.
What measurements are exactly are you looking for? Is it from the bolt in this picture to the fairing?
http://www.southjerzriderz.com/misc/fs1.jpg
If so, it is about 3" from the bolt tip to the fairing. See my post about the 4.5" Matisse ones extending about 1.5" past the fairing if a hole is drilled most likely.
Scott
OK that is the bolt and coo thanks for the dimensions ... see making it from flat bar steel ... and bending it around the fairing makes for a fairing that you dont have to drill through ... Lemme see ... time to annoy the dealer some ... but going down there and measuring up the bike ...
Cool.
Srinath.
Hey Scott OK if you are working on it ... I'll skip for now ... but making it out of steel flat bar albeit mangling and bending and twisting it into a freaking pretzel is gonna be arm busting ... has one advantage ... no hole in fairing ... I'll wait for you to do your thing ...
Cool.
Srinath.
Just as an FYI...the Matisse proposition...doing it through use of an elongated engine mount bolt and then cutting throught the fairing doesn't seem really far fetched. Check out the solution for the Honda RC51...looks similar...
http://www.inturace.com/prdifs1.htm
Please do not bend a bracket for the sliders. It will cause more damage to the fairings in a slide than you think. Cutting a hole in the fairing is pretty easy to do. The first time can be scary but no big deal after doing 5 or 6 bikes.
Sliders are not tough to make, I have made them for the SV. I still have about 4 feet of 1-1/2" diameter material to make more. Plus it is easy enough to get more. I just do not have any bolts long enough to install them. Guess I could make my own bolts out of round bar stock.
I am definitely going to try the long bolt/cut fairing method using the Matisse kit. But, if they aren't quite long enough, I might have to take your approach and get one's made that will use the Matisse bolt. Unless I can get one of the longer engine bolts from Srinath.
Scott ... I'll send you the bolt back wiht the pipe ... now the idea I have been kicking about it this ...
Take steel flat bar ... and bend it so that it runs very close to the engine everywhere except at that point where the round alternator and ignition covers are ... there it will stick out a inch 0r inch and a 1/2 and pretty much go back in close to the motor and the end plates will get welded on ... its like case savers made with flat bar instead of pipe ... and I belive I can make 3/8th inch thick and 1 1/2 inch wide piece and fit it comfortably ... and here is the cool part ... we can put a bolt in the middle right above the covers ... and fit a round rod delrin piece there ... case savers and frame sliders all wihtout drilling ... been kicking this idea around for the last week ... I might get laser cutting people to make the whole thing ... including bending ... if I had the numbers ... making for 1 piece wihtout welds ... super strong ... and pretty much will take a good sized crash ... cos they are also case guards ...
Cool.
Srinath.
Very cool regarding the bolt and the pipe. In terms of your 'flat bar' case. This is for non-F models right? Or are you thinking of one that will also go outside the fairing on F models?
I believe I have enough room to do it on a F as well ... 3/8th thick steel should be easy to stuff in there ... there is over 1/2 inch of room at the closest location ... I am still talking to the laser cutting people ... they need a cardboard cut out with holes and bends etc ... now I have to get that made most likely next week and drop it off ... they dont use 3/8th thick plate that often, so I might have to wait a bit for them to make them ... I am thinking of sneaking in a 3 point mount that bolts to the front ... like kerry has suggested ... let me make somehitng and I'll show you. Of course You can bolt a chunk of delrin to the case saver and make it a slider ... I am also thinking of powdercoating it silver to blend with the newer motor. Lets see how it shapes up.
Cool.
Srinath.
Sounds interesting. Can't wait to see it.
Yea working on it ... you still pushing that idea of frame sliders around ... What I actually feel is that frame sliders are too freaking $$$ at $60+ ... I believe my case guards with the chunk of delrin would be right about that ...
3 pointer ones ... maybe 15-20 more ... far better ... why do the damn things cost that much, its got 25 cents of delrin in it ... and a freaking bolt and a hole for that bolt ... sheesh ... Anyway Lets see next week ... should get some traction under it.
Cool.
Srinath.
Yup. May actually order them this week. The part that makes me the most nervous is drilling the holes in the fairing. But, once I get the Matisse ones...I am definitely going to measure to make sure they will stick out far enough before drilling holes.
Hey Scott,
I thought you were making them ... if you're buyng it and basically stuffing something made for another bike in the thing ... I'll make them next week and show you. Then decide if you want to even buy it ...
Cool.
Srinath.
I was going to do the following:
1\ Buy the Matisse and see if they fit (Strada version)
if not
2\ Use the bolt from you and have a set lathed.
OK the DIY version will not need a lathe ... You get a delrin rod of the diameter (about 1.5 inch) you want, drill a 3/8th hole through the center with a drill press and then drill all but ~ 1/2 inch of the depth with a 5/8th drill and maybe finish it with a 5/8th end mill ... all of whihc are useable with a drill press. Machining that is a total waste of time and money. Now the same idea can be extrapolated to the case guards... the delrin rod of similar diamater but shorter length can be bolted to the case guard ... The main idea with that is ... you get extra safety height ... as in if you drop it ... the plastic isn't 1 inch off the ground, its like 2 inches or 2.5 inches off, and ofcourse drop it at speed and it will slide ... and that dissipates energy well.
Cool.
Srinath.
Very cool, re: the delrin rod. But, when I spoke of machining, I meant an aluminum slider like the Matisse Strada. But, the delrin sounds easier.
Aluminum also should be drilled and cut with a drill and a saw ... lathe is over kill again. Now I prefer Delrin ... reason being ... its oily to touch and while its strong ... its not as strong as aluminum ... but it will slide easier and Heck I think its going to stand up to the fall better, especially in my design. Aluminum is going to be too hard, take more impact and transmit all of that to the case protector, whihc now id more likely to bend and bang up your cases anyway ... but then again I guess if you crash hard enough that you mangle up 3/8th thick, 1.5 inch + wide steel ... banged up engine cases are a best case scenario ... could be a whole lot worse. Anyway Let me work on it. I'll het y'all back when I have somehting to show.
Cool.
Srinath.
Just found this post.
srinath-have u or 2xs come up with a set of sliders yet?
I have been trying to measure up with sliders at local shops but havent seen any worth buying and cutting and finding they dont work> Thanks guys.
Hopefully you see this... :thumb: