I'm new to the board. Hi! I ride a 1992 gs500e and live in Seattle. This is an awesome site, the kind that really makes me appreciate the internet and wonder how those poor bastards 15-20 years ago ever got anything accomplished... anything that was cool at least. :0)
My question: I read on www.bikepower.net, a Dutch site in English, that the k&n filter created excessive noise, so much that he needed ear plugs for the long hauls.
QuoteI must say there are also a few disadvantages. First of all the air filter element. It makes a lot of noise. I use earplugs to protect my ears on long rides.
I don't see how this is possible. Maybe he translated his thoughts wrong? Either way, his English is a million times better than my Dutch.
Does the K&N lunchbox make excessive noise? I would like to reap the rewards of having one but I don't like the noise idea.
Thanks in advance, Dom
Edited by scratch to remove the "amp;" from "K&N"
If you're talking about the K&N RU-(somethingsomething) then... Well, it is louder. But who doesn't like some noise?
I think it's just that it's sitting right underneath you. I had a buddy watch me drag race after I installed it and afterwards I said "didn't it sound cool?!?!?" and he just looked at me... Like... "I couldn't hear a thing dude".
It's louder but I don't think it's offensive or anything
I wouldnt think it would be louder then the wind noise you would get from higher speeds. Maybe Joris will chime in and clarify up a little more.
The K&N lunchbox is the single filter that has openings that clamp onto the throat flange off each carb. AKA k&n# RU-2970 Kind of looks like this, well exaactly like this:
(http://www.bikepower.net/gs500e-power/modifications/engine-related/jet-kit/airfilters3.jpg)
I guess the airbox has a muffling effect, eh?
I don't mind extra noise for short hops, it's just those long trips where I wonder if the noise will start to wear on me.
Btw, I have already removed the airbox, and didn't have the lunchbox but I did have two separate k&n filters laying around the shop that just happened to have a 2-3/8" mouth and fit on the carbs perfectly. Think it will make tuning any harder? Guess I won't be able to rely 100% on other peoples recommendations if I start throwing variables into the equation eh? Wish me luck.
yes its LOUD.
I rode it 3 miles 2 weekends ago. I plan to try take it out tommorow (im in LA right now). But from what i remember it is loud, and sounds oh so glorious. It definately has a nice throaty sound when you hit teh gas. Its quiet when your cruising (quiet is relative when you open the throttle a bit).
I will see if I can record the sound tommorow on my Canon A70.
I've ridden my stock filter/airbox/drilled stock pipe bike back to back with my buddy's pod filter/no airbox/Jardine full exhaust (Daniely) and it definitely is noticeable (the filter sucking effect) even with the louder exhaust. It's a great sound though, in my opinion!!
I can't hear the K&N anymore over my OPEN SUPERTRAPP! :lol:
:thumb:
When i rode MK1inCali's bike (Tony) i couldn't hear the exhaust or anything hardly at all. I got back on mine, and its LOUD, at a stop when you rev it, a split second before the exhaust sound comes into play, you can hear the airbox sucking in air. Oh its wonderful. Its taken some time to adjust, but it sounds like its revving to hell and back with the louder exhaust and filter, when in reality im sittin steady at like 5k. Gettin much more tolerable now for sure though.
What about sucking in water? I'm worried that without the stock airbox, the intake could pull in water easier. I live and ride in a very wet climate, so this would deter me from getting the lunchbox filter. Anyone know, either from experience or just from hearing about it?
Dave :cheers:
Water ... will not hurt your motor .. unless it was in the gas ... in large quantity ... they obviously it wont burn ... water wont hurt and you wont get too much with the air filter anyway ... K&N is pretty good at keeping water to a minimum ... foam or paper will be worse ... much worse.
Cool.
Srinath.
Quote from: seshadri_srinath on April 20, 2006, 07:39:59 AM
Water ... will not hurt your motor .. unless it was in the gas ... in large quantity ... they obviously it wont burn ... water wont hurt and you wont get too much with the air filter anyway ... K&N is pretty good at keeping water to a minimum ... foam or paper will be worse ... much worse.
Cool.
Srinath.
That's all I needed to know; my order has been submitted. Thank you much.
Dave
Quote from: Dom on October 28, 2004, 07:50:26 PM
The K&N lunchbox is the single filter that has openings that clamp onto the throat flange off each carb. AKA k&n# RU-2970 Kind of looks like this, well exaactly like this:
(http://www.bikepower.net/gs500e-power/modifications/engine-related/jet-kit/airfilters3.jpg)
I guess the airbox has a muffling effect, eh?
I don't mind extra noise for short hops, it's just those long trips where I wonder if the noise will start to wear on me.
Btw, I have already removed the airbox, and didn't have the lunchbox but I did have two separate k&n filters laying around the shop that just happened to have a 2-3/8" mouth and fit on the carbs perfectly. Think it will make tuning any harder? Guess I won't be able to rely 100% on other peoples recommendations if I start throwing variables into the equation eh? Wish me luck.
so I see you put a little filter on the breather hose that goes into the valve cover. what filter did you use? what have others done with this hose?
f4d
:laugh: Here we go, wrecent. :laugh: making it hard again. Just go to Autozone or Advanced and grab one of the breather filters that they have for 10 bucks. I have the same setup except i have the hose going into the filter. Works the same to me O0
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The one i have is an apc filter. I pinched the hose just abeit and slid it right in. There is no binding in the hose at all.
Ran the bike briefly without any filter, when working on my carbs. The engine had a deep burbling sound, it was definatly louder and more appealing
Some water wont hurt the engine as Srinath said. If you regularly ride in the rain though, I'd imagine you'd need to oil the filter more often. I've heard the water can cause some of the oil to wash off.
-Turd.
how's the throttle response with a lunchbox?
:icon_mrgreen: nuff said!
Quote from: joedude on April 20, 2006, 08:12:24 PM
how's the throttle response with a lunchbox?
I don't notice anything bad with mine. It works great for me and my style of riding. It pulls nicely from low RPMs too.
I like the noise it makes too :)
so this is just some generic breather filter?
yurp
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on April 20, 2006, 08:20:20 PM
Quote from: joedude on April 20, 2006, 08:12:24 PM
how's the throttle response with a lunchbox?
I don't notice anything bad with mine. It works great for me and my style of riding. It pulls nicely from low RPMs too.
I like the noise it makes too :)
Alpha... What Jet configuration do you have?
Quote from: joedude on April 20, 2006, 10:50:44 PM
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on April 20, 2006, 08:20:20 PM
Quote from: joedude on April 20, 2006, 08:12:24 PM
how's the throttle response with a lunchbox?
I don't notice anything bad with mine. It works great for me and my style of riding. It pulls nicely from low RPMs too.
I like the noise it makes too :)
Alpha... What Jet configuration do you have?
Mine's for an '04, so it's only applicable for F models (carbs were changed from the '01-'03 models), but I'm running 22.5 pilots, 65 mid mains, 137.5 mains, with the air/fuel screw 3.5 turns out. For yours, refer to the jetting descriptions in the FAQ and check your plugs to make sure everything is okay.
cool thanks alpha... I didn't think to check which model you had :oops:
According to the Matrix, I should have 40 pilots and 150 mains - I picked up the 40's today and I'm going to install them tomorrow, I'm gonna order the 150's and install them when I get my Lunchbox and my Can.
Quote from: joedude on April 20, 2006, 11:23:34 PM
cool thanks alpha... I didn't think to check which model you had :oops:
According to the Matrix, I should have 40 pilots and 150 mains - I picked up the 40's today and I'm going to install them tomorrow, I'm gonna order the 150's and install them when I get my Lunchbox and my Can.
Errr, dunno about the 150s... stock is like, 122.5 or 125, so 150 would be TEN sizes up. I bumped mine only THREE sizes. Check your plugs after that and make sure you aren't fouling plugs.
As per Srinath's Rejet Matrix (http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=12929.0)
Stage 3 jetting I should use 150's... :dunno_white:
Quote from: joedude on April 20, 2006, 11:39:51 PM
As per Srinath's Rejet Matrix (http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=12929.0)
Stage 3 jetting I should use 150's... :dunno_white:
Yeah... I don't agree with that. I am one of the few that disagree with the "guru". Like I said, just check your plugs and make sure everything is okay.
Hmm....
I remember seeing somewhere about running the engine at a certain RPM and then shutting off the engine and checking the plugs to see wether you are running LEAN or RICH.
I don't recall where I saw this (as I kick myself in the ass for not bookmarking it :mad:)
Have any suggestions on finding out how my main jets are performing RPM range wise?
Quote from: joedude on April 20, 2006, 11:58:31 PM
Hmm....
I remember seeing somewhere about running the engine at a certain RPM and then shutting off the engine and checking the plugs to see wether you are running LEAN or RICH.
I don't recall where I saw this (as I kick myself in the ass for not bookmarking it :mad:)
Have any suggestions on finding out how my main jets are performing RPM range wise?
Hold it at 8k and above for a while, then shut off the engine and check the plugs. With yours though, since it's only got a pilot and a main... I dunno. 8K is a definite main jet area.
Thanks! :thumb: I'll give that a try when I get my bike setup!
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Quote from: Wrecent_Wryder on April 21, 2006, 03:57:31 AM
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on April 20, 2006, 11:32:30 PM
Errr, dunno about the 150s... stock is like, 122.5 or 125, so 150 would be TEN sizes up. I bumped mine only THREE sizes. Check your plugs after that and make sure you aren't fouling plugs.
Didn't you decide yours was still a bit lean after that first dyno run? Or did you change it since then?
Yeah, when I dynoed it and saw it was lean I was running 20/65/135. Now it's 22.5/65/137.5
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on April 21, 2006, 12:21:20 AM
Quote from: joedude on April 20, 2006, 11:58:31 PMI remember seeing somewhere about running the engine at a certain RPM and then shutting off the engine and checking the plugs to see wether you are running LEAN or RICH.
I don't recall where I saw this (as I kick myself in the ass for not bookmarking it :mad:)
Have any suggestions on finding out how my main jets are performing RPM range wise?
Hold it at 8k and above for a while, then shut off the engine and check the plugs. With yours though, since it's only got a pilot and a main... I dunno. 8K is a definite main jet area.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe you need to have the engine under load to do that. Problem being that without load she will rev up to 8k with very little throttle input, meaning that the slider is still way down and you are in the area most influenced by the needle.
Quote from: MarkusN on April 21, 2006, 06:56:39 AM
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on April 21, 2006, 12:21:20 AM
Quote from: joedude on April 20, 2006, 11:58:31 PMI remember seeing somewhere about running the engine at a certain RPM and then shutting off the engine and checking the plugs to see wether you are running LEAN or RICH.
I don't recall where I saw this (as I kick myself in the ass for not bookmarking it :mad:)
Have any suggestions on finding out how my main jets are performing RPM range wise?
Hold it at 8k and above for a while, then shut off the engine and check the plugs. With yours though, since it's only got a pilot and a main... I dunno. 8K is a definite main jet area.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe you need to have the engine under load to do that. Problem being that without load she will rev up to 8k with very little throttle input, meaning that the slider is still way down and you are in the area most influenced by the needle.
Yeah, I meant holding it at 8k in 1st gear or so (so you don't speed :laugh:) I should have clarified, my bad.
Quote from: V8Pinto on October 28, 2004, 07:20:50 PM
If you're talking about the K&N RU-(somethingsomething) then... Well, it is louder. But who doesn't like some noise?
I think it's just that it's sitting right underneath you. I had a buddy watch me drag race after I installed it and afterwards I said "didn't it sound cool?!?!?" and he just looked at me... Like... "I couldn't hear a thing dude".
It's louder but I don't think it's offensive or anything
So I pumped this old thread but I want to know, is that true? when you put a KandN lunchbox you are the only one who can ear that's is much more louder?
Also I would like to know, if you are reving but while the bike is not moving (you are in neutral) is the sounde louder or not?
Its lousedt to you yes, and its loudest when you're sitting still.
Start moving and all the other wind noise drowns it out. Besides you would run a pipe with it and that will be plenty loud.
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: The Buddha on April 20, 2006, 07:39:59 AM
Water ... will not hurt your motor .. unless it was in the gas ... in large quantity ... they obviously it wont burn ... water wont hurt and you wont get too much with the air filter anyway ... K&N is pretty good at keeping water to a minimum ... foam or paper will be worse ... much worse.
Cool.
Srinath.
WOH WOH WOH! Water in your cylinder will definetly hurt. you can't run the motor if water gets in it until it all drains down into the oil pan. Water cannot be compressed, so you suck in water, and i mean like suck in water, im not talknig about humidity or light vapor, although it doesnt take as much as you prolly think, but if water gets into the cyclinder your gonna have whats called hydrolock. cause it cant be compressed.
THAT SAID, the lunchbox most likely wont be a problem. just dont go mudin with it. :D
Quote from: gregvhen on October 30, 2009, 02:59:36 PM
Quote from: The Buddha on April 20, 2006, 07:39:59 AM
Water ... will not hurt your motor .. unless it was in the gas ... in large quantity ... they obviously it wont burn ... water wont hurt and you wont get too much with the air filter anyway ... K&N is pretty good at keeping water to a minimum ... foam or paper will be worse ... much worse.
Cool.
S******.
WOH WOH WOH! Water in your cylinder will definetly hurt. you can't run the motor if water gets in it until it all drains down into the oil pan. Water cannot be compressed, so you suck in water, and i mean like suck in water, im not talknig about humidity or light vapor, although it doesnt take as much as you prolly think, but if water gets into the cyclinder your gonna have whats called hydrolock. cause it cant be compressed.
THAT SAID, the lunchbox most likely wont be a problem. just dont go mudin with it. :D
I suppose you haven't learned Buddha-speak yet. You just said what he said.
if he did, my bad, i tend to read maybe four or five posts, then get bored and post a reply. im suprised actually, this is the first time anyones said i repeated someone. :laugh: although im sure i have and didnt know 20 times already. :D
I asked this because in my country cops check the sound of your bike when not moving. So if I put a lunchbox and it's not louder unless you are speeding then it's fine. But if it also make lot of noise when the bike is not moving I'm f/cked.
Does anyone have a link to somewhere that shows the dyno stats for the GS before and after K & N, rejet, and exhaust? or any one of three?