It ended being a bit of a weekend project because I decided to also restore the rusty header and mid pipe. The better part of Saturday afternoon was spent glass bead blasting and stripping the old paint/rust. My buddy and I painted the pipes with VHT Flameproof Flat Black after cleaning. We left the pipes at the shop overnight to dry although this paint doesn't fully harden until its heated. This morning (Monday) I fitted Srinath's adapter and pipe. Once I had everything fitted, I took the header back off and sprayed another coat of black to cover any scratches I made. I carefully refitted everything for the final tightening.
To say the least, I am very happy with the new look and sound of my GS. The pipe looks badass and sounds the part too. It's fairly quiet at idle with a bassy rumble but open the throttle and you really hear it. I liken the sound to a Ducati Monster with exhaust. Revving at stop lights has never been so much fun :lol:. I got the adapter from Srinath with the restrictor installed. While it seems to ride fine without jetting, I think I can still feel a slight loss of power of top. I plan on installing the jets. I currently have stock jetting with an ignition advancer.
A question to those of you with an exhaust... Does the bike seem louder while riding it than the exhaust actually is? I can rev it in my car port and it doesn't seem that loud but once on the road with my helmet/echo chamber it seems a bit louder.
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sweet!!!!!
I had a request to post a measurement of my cut but unfortuneately, it didn't occur to me to do that.
I did measure from the last weld to the tip of the adapter and that is 5/8"
the measurement from the last weld to the start of the expansion of the adapter is about 2.5"
I basically put the adapter alongside the header pipe where I thought it looked good. I left some "slip-on" room for the adapter and made my cut mark. I'd venture that my cut is between 1.5 and 2.25 inches. I would play it safe and start 3" from the weld and go from there. These adapters are hand made and may not all be exactly the same so it's best to play it safe.
I've talked to scratch about this and we think my centerstand, for whatever reason, may not be stock. It never hit the bumper on my stock exhaust. The previous owner rigged up a thick piece of rubber on the stand with a couple hose clamps and the centerstand basically rests against the bottom link of the suspension. It's been like this since I bought the bike :dunno:
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well it looks like we did the same thing today my friend. exactly. now why did everything work perfect for u and not me?? wtf. questions: how far away from the weld on ur stock pipe is the new pipe? mine is like 2-3 inches. does urs go right to the weld? how did u get the clamp thing to fit right? i bent mine to shaZam! trying to make it fit tight.
also what slip on did u order. i got the gsxr750
well one of my questions was answered while typing the previous message.. lol
I did have that issue you did and I'll write what I did here in a post edit. give me a couple minutes :)
When I thought I had the adapter fit to the header nice and tight, I bolted the header+adapter to the bike. I bolted the pipe on and noticed the tip was rotated to the inside of the bike. I thought for a bit on how to get the leverage to twist it where I wanted because after hammering the adapter it was on TIGHT. I found a big, long, screwdriver and unbolted the pipe just enough to fit the screwdriver in the gap. I pulled up on the handle and the pipe rotated to where I wanted it to be.
Then for the clamp, I also had to bend the tabs a bit and, as you can see in the pic, the clamp bolted on the outside of the passenger peg. I reversed the bolt in the grommet. With a bit of swearing and coaxing, I got the clamp holes on the bolt enough to start the nut. Once I had tightened it once, I could get the nut and washer on for the final tightening
Well, I guess I better post some pics of my Srinath can too...basically the picture was meant to show the new belly pan so I'll kill two birds with one rock...
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Definitely needs a paintjob, eh...still deliberating the color scheme... also, the positioning is just a basic mock up...it's held there by a piece of cardboard..
Got my can the other day....just waiting to see Srinath's new version of the adapter before i decide which one i want...either weldon or slipon. Has anyone done the slipon adapter?
Quote from: airbrushGot my can the other day....just waiting to see Srinath's new version of the adapter before i decide which one i want...either weldon or slipon. Has anyone done the slipon adapter?
All so far have been slip-on to my knowledge.
Quote from: DomDefinitely needs a paintjob, eh...still deliberating the color scheme... also, the positioning is just a basic mock up...it's held there by a piece of cardboard..
Though I can't see what's wrong with the paint in the pics, it looks pretty cool in black (anthracite?) like that. The black matches the Carbon, engine, wheels, and headlight buckets :thumb:
If you want to get really fancy, gloss black with some pearl white ghost flames on the tank :mrgreen:
Yeah, anthracite, thanks.
It's not apparent in the photos but the frame, a '92, is looking pretty tired and starting to rust in some spots...and after drooling over the new R6 for the past few weeks the black frame has really grown on me, and I think maybe a lighter color would contrast better with the black frame...I'm afraid with my black leathers on I will be an invisable black shadow once the sun drops below the horizon..
One more photo, can anyone guess what it is? Clue: not related to the gs...
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Quote from: DomYeah, anthracite, thanks.
One more photo, can anyone guess what it is? Clue: not related to the gs...
homemade christmas tree stand? :mrgreen:
Bingo.:thumb:
OMG, would you look at that sunshine in the background of your garage...geez... I havn't seen sun shine like that in too long...nice job on the can too...
sorry...i meant on an '04....srinath said they were all weld on for that.
anyone??
The pipe looks great and that tree stand is excellent. Dude you have excellent welding skills i must say... :cheers: :cheers:
Hey...how does the WileyCo can sound anyhow..?? Compared to stock or lets say a V+H..???
i think dolepineapple has some sound clips on his site
Never heard the V&H but I have heard the stock and Srinath's carbon fiber...the one I have...It has a little attitude to it...not so soft and reserved...low heart pounding rumble at idle(not harley low but still pretty dang low) and kind of a whiny sportbike rev... I have k&n pods and I don't know if that makes a difference in decibels but it hurts my ears when I punch the throttle, not while riding but while standing next to it...
BTW, thanks for the compliment. :)
OK I am famous for not including instructions with anything ...
The slip on ... you have to clean or sand the stock header pipe ... the cut you make leaves a big ass burr ... that could get bend on the outside and catch the slip type joint. The things are hand made and yes there is a fair difference ... however the pipe was fitted and bolted in on a bike and welded up ... no chance they dont fit. May be hard to fit and may need extra coaxing ... I believe after 2-3 my header is going to be clean and smooth, Plus we being redneck never attempt anything without a good shot of WD40 ... so it will need all that.
And airbrush ... check with your neighbor Dolepineapple ... and sorry not sent pic... I'll send one soon. Flange to be welded on leaves you with a fair bit of room to fit it the way you want. Full mid pipe and flange ... and its gonna be my way ... which is near identical to Dom and 70cam's ...
Now Dom's is sticking further back ... I believe he cut too little of the stock mid pipe ... he said 3 and 55/64th ... I'll cut it to under 3 ... closer to 2.5 ...
And 70cam ... glad I am not the only one that likes that hint of metallic ... the carbon sounded like the bike was under a fat mattress ... Mi Ti was sweet ... sounded like it meant business ... dont get in my way thing...
Weazelnose - sorry you having trouble ... but take off the headers, grind the burr off and sand it and get it well lubed with wd40 ... and they should all slide on ... 2 inches over lap is plenty ... that tight fit and the fact that once you get a smattering of carbon on it ... it will never leak. Remember I ft it on the bike and welded them... Just sand and wd40 it. No excessive force is needed ...
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Srinath.
OK 70cam ... if the stock pipe didn't have the centerstand make contact with the stop thing... usually that means the bike was crashed on the right making for a bent exhaust ... and that makes it go off ... was the bracket pushed in out moved out ... relative to the centerstand.... If it was in that means it was crashed... if out maybe that was over corrected ... by yanking it out and go too far.
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Srinath.
Yeah, I think I'll just hack it and tack it... or drill some new holes and tack in some dummy bolt heads where the existing ones are now...proly the latter...the new holes would split the difference between the old holes perfectly, making it look like there are 6 bolts holding it on. :cheers:
In Tamil we have an expression ... lemme loosely translate it...
We should take your brain out and display it in a museum ...
Probably right next to mine - not the expression ... my addition.
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Srinath.
I don't really know too much about the history of my bike. I bought it with a salvage title so any number of things could have happened to it before I got it. I know the previous owner but they also bought it used so who knows what happened to the centerstand. The stock exhaust wasn't smashed though :dunno:
So I tried taking Srinath's advice, and cut another inch off...same problem, so I tried drilling new holes...my theory was wrong...over corrected...now it sticks out the other way...guess my first instinct was correct...hackin' and tackin' baby.. :cheers:
OK what exactly is the problem Dom ... You moved it forward and the snout is off to the left more ??? You try setting the flange ~1 ich off the swingarm and seeing where it lines up with ... See if you can send me/post a pic
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Srinath.
All done now. :thumb: I got the pipe rotated to a position where wouldn't roll around and tightened down the strap, then drilled out the pop rivets, rotated it to where it looks good, and redrilled and riveted. :cheers:
BTW, those cans are made of aluminum filled with fiber glass batting surrounding a cylinder of two different types of expanded metal and finished off with a CF skin. I assume all of them are made the same way with just different skins...I don't know why one would sound different than another unless the SS or Ti skin was rattling around over the aluminum tube...possible I guess...
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Srinath, my headers were just probably really bent and wouldn't work with the mid tube the way it was welded. I know that my bike had been dropped pretty hard on the stock can by the looks of it, also my girlfriend accidentially dropped it too when I told her it was okay to sit on it...I guess I had to learn that one the hard way...I was all the way across the parking lot and too far to catch it when I saw it start to fall...at least it wasn't on the new can. :thumb:
OK good job I guess... yea that stock pipe is totally un predictable ... it can be an inch off at that mid pipe point ...
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Srinath.
Quote from: DomAll done now. :thumb: I got the pipe rotated to a position where wouldn't roll around and tightened down the strap, then drilled out the pop rivets, rotated it to where it looks good, and redrilled and riveted. :cheers:
BTW, those cans are made of aluminum filled with fiber glass batting surrounding a cylinder of two different types of expanded metal and finished off with a CF skin. I assume all of them are made the same way with just different skins...I don't know why one would sound different than another unless the SS or Ti skin was rattling around over the aluminum tube...possible I guess...
:cheers:
OK so is that good quality or not... They looked like well made but I didn't cut one open...
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Srinath.
I don't know if it's good quality but I assume they are all made this way; Yosh, Wileyco, V&H, probably all the same from a technical standpoint... Every major exhaust manufacturer probably uses aluminum tube on the inside too because it is the lightest.
If you have some 3/16"x1/2" (or 3/16"x3/8") pop rivets it might not be a bad idea for you to drill one open and see how they are made.. I think it was a good learning experience. All I know is that exhaust manufacturers are making a pretty hefty profit because there is very little involved in the manufacturing these things.
All of these pipes probably just cost alot because they spend so much money on advertising.
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OK so is that good quality or not... They looked like well made but I didn't cut one open...
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Srinath.
My SS pipe feels very solid. I've read on other boards that C/F pipes are typically just skinned with C/F. I'd bet that the SS and Ti don't have that extra Aluminum liner and only have the hefty gauge SS/Ti outer skin. I thought about shortening my pipe because it looked big in pics of other bikes but I'm very happy with how much turned out.
All done.:thumb: (http://onfinite.com/libraries/235993/db5.jpg)
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All of these pipes probably just cost alot because they spend so much money on advertising.
There is a lot of money that goes into R&D on these exhausts for a bike that may only be around for a couple years before a redesign.
Even though it is bought in bulk, Ti and 304 Stainless are relatively expensive. Then there's the welding. I'm not entirely sure but I've heard a lot of these exhausts are hand TIG welded and not robot welded. I think some of these companies are hydroforming headers now and I bet the tooling for that costs a pretty penny
Some of the newer exhausts from Akra, Arata, Moriwaki, and the crazy new header from Micron are works of art. droooool :)
Quote from: DomAll done.:thumb:
Sweet man, love how the carbon cans look :thumb:
To be completely honest, I wasn't sure what my can was going to be like when it arrived. I'm seriously happy. lol for 50 bucks I got a solid pipe, new hat, new Tshirt that I'd actually wear, stickers, a keychain, and a pin :mrgreen:
Thanks! :cheers: The wileyco cans are great, no matter which one you get, because I honestly believe that they are essentially the same, except for the skins. The test for me was running around the office screaming into it at the top of my lungs and making only a whisper of a sound. Ok, so I got some odd looks from the coworkers, but they aren't shocked by anything I do anymore... :mrgreen:
I trashed the shirt weeks ago...white shirts don't last very long in my wardrobe...I own a couple of pair of coveralls but I always forget to put them on before I start getting dirty...drats!
juggernaught: check the link in my signature. . .before and after sound clips on my site. . .doesn't do judgement though, you gotta hear it in person to know what I mean. . .
Quote from: 70 Cam GuyQuote from: Dom
All of these pipes probably just cost alot because they spend so much money on advertising
There is a lot of money that goes into R&D on these exhausts for a bike that may only be around for a couple years before a redesign.
That must be why the GSXR, the CBR900/929/954 and the YZF 1000 all have identical cans ... :lol:
Honestly advertising and race team support is what you paying for ... having said that buying it for $50 you didn't pay none of that ... so :cheers:
I am making some out of fire extinguishers and some cheap ass baffle ... and I believe I'd probably make a loss at $50 .... yea buying material at retail is a good way to lose your shirt, your pants and part of your ass ...
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Srinath.
Quote from: seshadri_srinathI am making some out of fire extinguishers and some cheap ass baffle ...
DUDE! That's AWESOME :thumb:
You have to keep them painted red with all of the stickers on them!
Quote from: DomQuote from: seshadri_srinathI am making some out of fire extinguishers and some cheap ass baffle ...
DUDE! That's AWESOME :thumb:
You have to keep them painted red with all of the stickers on them!
Of course ... that's the whole idea ... it should be obvious its a fire extinguisher ...I am thinking of a no snout design just for that effect ...
Now wont it be funny if that paint on it got cooked in the heat of the exhaust ...
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Srinath.
Quote from: seshadri_srinathQuote from: DomQuote from: seshadri_srinathI am making some out of fire extinguishers and some cheap ass baffle ...
DUDE! That's AWESOME :thumb:
You have to keep them painted red with all of the stickers on them!
Of course ... that's the whole idea ... it should be obvious its a fire extinguisher ...I am thinking of a no snout design just for that effect ...
Now wont it be funny if that paint on it got cooked in the heat of the exhaust ...
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Srinath.
hehe...u gonna use a co2 can or a foam can? :lol:
It has white powder in it...
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Srinath.
srinath
Ever figure out what made some of the wileyco cans much heavier (like mine?)
Probably not...but I have a hunch...was yours SS, CF, or Ti? The SS would probably be the heaviest, just because it is heavier than either CF or TI...but probably for some reason they used a thicker aluminum pipe on the inside. Maybe so they could charge more for the others, claiming that they were lighter...
Quote from: DomProbably not...but I have a hunch...was yours SS, CF, or Ti? The SS would probably be the heaviest, just because it is heavier than either CF or TI...but probably for some reason they used a thicker aluminum pipe on the inside. Maybe so they could charge more for the others, claiming that they were lighter...
mine was carbon fiber. And the weave on the outside looked different... of better quality (tighter, finer weave) that looked a lot better imo
Yeah, my CF was just a skin on top of an aluminum tube, which I think was 1/8" wall thickness...they might have used thicker aluminum pipe on the inside of yours...you could always drill out the pop rivets if your curiousity keeps eating at you.
just got done with installing mine..
I cut the pipe 2.5inches... Could have cut it a *bit* more but eh.. it's fine how it is
My muffler clamp was too small to fit an inner tube or anything in to keep from scratching the muffler... so it's gonna have to stay how it is. theres a couple pieces of cloth in there that should keep most scratches off of it
The hardest part was finding a piece of rubber to keep the centerstand from rubbing. What's on there now is a bit too thin but it, as well, will work.
Sounds great!! a little harley-burble-ish but it sounds good.
You took this long ... oh well I thought you had it fitted on sooner...
Now yours was one that I managed to fit on my bike ... that inner tube will let the clamp fit on either side of the footpeg carrier if I remember ... and that clamp is one lousy POS ... who the hell sells their products wihtout a well fitting clamp and a gasket to go on it ... lousy jokers... anyway You might be able to cram in that inner tube and have the ears of the clamp on front and back of the carrier.
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Srinath.
Quote from: seshadri_srinathYou took this long ... oh well I thought you had it fitted on sooner...
Now yours was one that I managed to fit on my bike ... that inner tube will let the clamp fit on either side of the footpeg carrier if I remember ... and that clamp is one lousy POS ... who the hell sells their products wihtout a well fitting clamp and a gasket to go on it ... lousy jokers... anyway You might be able to cram in that inner tube and have the ears of the clamp on front and back of the carrier.
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Srinath.
hmm.. I might try that tommorow.
Right now there are a couple of 'shims' made from like an old sock or something. Also, mine HAD to clamp to the outside. It would hit the brake banjo otherwise...
http://www.gstwin.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=member_bikes&id=avt
I think mine was clear above the banjo ... never had that problem ... am I missing somehting ... BTW the clamp does need to be used to hold it where its supposed to ... that can can move quite a bit if not clamped down tight ... that slip on pipe feels tight only to your hand ... put that can and 3 feet of leverage and that big ass can ... and it will go whereever it pleases ...
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Srinath.
Hey srinath, nice rail. 1600dp?
Well that was just some shaZam! my welder had to work on ... the entire frame rails behind the tranny were shot to hell ... someone had a torquey motor and no bracing ... The whole car was nice, but that back end was a royal mess. That damn thing is street legit ... :lol: ... if it ever got the motor put back in ... will be fun... There is a blue one for sale too which looks even better ...
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Srinath.
is it normal for the new exhaust to smoke a bit after turning the bike off (the first time it's warmed up?) or I wonder if it's all the wd-40 I used..
Well wd40, paint and all the hand grease and stuff will burn up ... paint stinks up the place ... great in summer, kills all the mosquitoes ...
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Srinath.
also I haven't jetted mine yet.. although it might already be jetted... it warms up really fast it seems to run ok even with the new exhaust... maybe a little stuttering when you really get on it at lower rpms
Excess soot or smoke can be caused by too much oil, easy fix...otherwise you are looking at a worn piston, cylinder, valve guide, or valve stem, a defective stem seal, or worn oil ring side rail. :dunno:
OK Like this ... pics in the first post...
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Srinath.
how many of the 04's do you have
Conservatively I can make 6 more ... I bought more SS tubing ... so none of that steel mid pipe nonsense ... Of course the flange is steel ...
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Srinath.