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yes this is going to sound stupid but what mods can be done to and 04 gs500f.  i have been looking everywhere and have found some stuff but reading some of your posts it seems like alot of stuff is universal,  so i guess my question is then what works with the 04.  or what parts are out there for it.

gsxr body
gsxr front end
gsxr rear wheel

but then..... might as well buy a GSXR

Quote from: finch63yes this is going to sound stupid but what mods can be done to and 04 gs500f.  i have been looking everywhere and have found some stuff but reading some of your posts it seems like alot of stuff is universal,  so i guess my question is then what works with the 04.  or what parts are out there for it.

Yea Yea Its all universal ....  :lol:  (picking up crowbar, sledgehammer and blow torch ) ... we can make it all fit ... no problemo ...
Cool.
Srinath.

how do you make the gsx-r rear wheel fit? the swingarm looks to small...

figures....
a damn yankee CHEEZEHEAD

do ya'll know how to tell you're in a town in CHEEZELAND......
any road with an intersection and 2 bars on the corner.....
is a town in WI.


:mrgreen:
send me some linenkugel..... :cheers:

finch63-
the 04 is essentially the same as the 01-03 naked (and basically only cosmetically different than the 89-00 as well, save some minor mechanical stuff) so many of the same modifications apply.

For a gsxr rear wheel check my site. you have to use a 88-89 750 rear wheel though-not easy to find.

The modifications that might work for your specific bike, the F model, will all relate to the fairing (flush blinkers, mirrors, etc). Otherwise same rules apply to yours that apply to most others.

Good luck and welcome.

Miluakee WI, most bars and taverns per capita, outdone only by Portland, OR, where everyone seems to be proud of their dichotomy of superlatives: The most bookstores per capita, and the most titty bars per capita. Is it really the same people visiting both - showing a diversity of thought? For the most part, it seems like it.

Quote from: werase643send me some linenkugel..... :cheers:

mmmm... Leinenkugel's :cheers:

i live about 15minutes away from the brewery.  it is good....  to bad you live in the south! :lol:  :)

so does that go for the engine modifications and the front fork spacer too.  i know this sounds stupid but i have to ask before i give this stuff a try i really would like to do that ignition advancer.  do you think that is possiable?

I believe somebody tried the ignition advancer and it didn't work...


fett

Bob's ignition advancer will NOT work... Completely redesigned for the 04F...  If you would like pictures msg me.

can you post a picture here?

fork mods should be about the same

shock mods... should be same

rejet the carbs instead of the ig adv

and it will run much better

there's a really GOOD reason i moved out of the frozen winterland

i do miss friday night lake perch though......

I would need some lessons on how to post pictures on the board.  Still pretty new here so I have no clue on how to...

Quote from: finch63i live about 15minutes away from the brewery.  it is good....  to bad you live in the south! :lol:  :)

so does that go for the engine modifications and the front fork spacer too.  i know this sounds stupid but i have to ask before i give this stuff a try i really would like to do that ignition advancer.  do you think that is possiable?

Fork brace ... yea 01-04 is same as 89-00, and I make some in 5/8th thick 6061 aluminum ... thick and ready to bolt in. Yours for $40 and shipping.
Cool.
Srinath.

So... fenderectomy is still available, 15T sprocket, radial tires, clip-ons since round headlight brackets aren't on the way anymore, you can change tach and speedo clear light bulbs for colored ones. steel hose for front brake, hi flow air filter.. etc.. etc..

A lot of mods available for the '04F...

Quote from: TritonI would need some lessons on how to post pictures on the board.

First, you need to store your pics in a publicly-accessible place on the Internet.  For some info on free image-hosting outfits, see the recent Here's info on hosting your own images or avatars thread.

Once you have copied an image to the hosting space, find out the direct URL to the image.

Start up another browser and see if going to that URL will display the image.  If so then it's almost guaranteed that you can post images right in your GStwin posts.  The only thing left is to TRY it.

As you author a GStwin post, click on the "Img" button or just type in [img ].  Then type in (or paste) the URL for your image.  Finish up by clicking on the "Img" button again or by typing [/img].

Click the "Preview" button to make sure that the image will display, and then click "Submit".

Ta-da!

well...time to practice my "l33t" ms paint skills!  here's what it looks like...difference wise


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/chinox22x/advancer.gif)

Yay! MS Paint. Screw that fancy photoshop stuff or pictures!

Infact: (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/GFHewitt/crayon.jpg)

Ok but seriously my friend has an 04F and she was looking at an advancer, good to know the change  :)

Quote from: VTNewbYay! MS Paint. Screw that fancy photoshop stuff or pictures!

Infact:

Ok but seriously my friend has an 04F and she was looking at an advancer, good to know the change  :)

yeah i had posted about the change when i asked bob. B. for an advancer around august.  i actually tried the one he sent me...pre-03 advancer and the bike wouldn't even start.  didn't occur to me that it was changed since i didn't know what the heck pre-03 stock advancers looked like.

Just for kicks I went to the Mr Cycles web site and grabbed the following portions from the Signal Generator pages.  Cleaned them up with MS Paint ... hope they help!

(http://www.bbburma.net/ScreenShots/MrCycles_SignalGenerator_Pre2004.gif)

(http://www.bbburma.net/ScreenShots/MrCycles_SignalGenerator_2004andLater.gif)

Quote from: KerryJust for kicks I went to the Mr Cycles web site and grabbed the following portions from the Signal Generator pages.  Cleaned them up with MS Paint ... hope they help!

what?? u didn't like ms paint l33t skills???   :x  :(  :(

:mrgreen:

Quote from: chinox22xwhat?? u didn't like ms paint l33t skills???   :x  :(  :(

You did fine.  But I was surprised to see the extra-wide tab on the '04 rotor diagram from Mr Cycles.  I made the assumption from your drawing that they were all the same size.

Anyway....

Quote from: Kerry

Quote from: chinox22xwhat?? u didn't like ms paint l33t skills???   :x  :(  :(

You did fine.  But I was surprised to see the extra-wide tab on the '04 rotor diagram from Mr Cycles.  I made the assumption from your drawing that they were all the same size.

Anyway....

just messing with you kerry.  obviously i still need a few "artistic" skills to be gained in my repertoire.  ;)

So.....the 04+ is firing every 60* instead of the 180* with the 89-03

and both plugs are firing at the same time now but with shorter dwells, must be an emission thing.

.....hmmm....interesting

Quote from: chinox22xwhat?? u didn't like ms paint l33t skills???

don't make me whip out a 3d program...

i'll put all of you to shame, shame i tell you!!   :lol:  :lol:

thank you for all your guys help.

Quote from: dgyverSo.....the 04+ is firing every 60* instead of the 180* with the 89-03

and both plugs are firing at the same time now but with shorter dwells, must be an emission thing.

.....hmmm....interesting

This makes me wonder if a 04+ would fit on an older GS...  :dunno:

Quote from: TR

Quote from: dgyverSo.....the 04+ is firing every 60* instead of the 180* with the 89-03

and both plugs are firing at the same time now but with shorter dwells, must be an emission thing.

.....hmmm....interesting

This makes me wonder if a 04+ would fit on an older GS...  :dunno:

I doubt it. If the 89-02 won't fit an 04+ I would think that the 04+ wouldn't fit the 89-02. I'm not 100% sure on that but lets say 75%?

Quote from: dgyverSo.....the 04+ is firing every 60* instead of the 180* with the 89-03

Judging from the rotor diagrams, if the '04+ fires every 60 degrees, wouldn't the earlier models fire every 360?  :dunno:

Quote from: dgyverand both plugs are firing at the same time now but with shorter dwells, must be an emission thing.

Both plugs have always fired at the same time, yes?

I see what you mean about the "shorter dwells", but how could that possibly work?  Firing more than once during the combustion stroke - whatever the dwell - seems like a bad idea to me.  I can't think of a good timing sequence for multiple firings separated by even, 60-degree intervals.  :dunno:

My guess is that the "shorter dwell" tabs provide more precise timing information to the "black box", but that the plugs only fire when the longer dwell tab comes around.

Then again, I'm totally making all of this up from the few general principles that I think I have a handle on.  You know what they say - a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing....

I would really like to see what it looks like under the cover. Don't think the dealer would like it if I carried in some tools, so....anyone with a 04+ want to take a pic of the rotor & pick-ups?

Quote from: Kerry

Quote from: dgyverSo.....the 04+ is firing every 60* instead of the 180* with the 89-03

Judging from the rotor diagrams, if the '04+ fires every 60 degrees, wouldn't the earlier models fire every 360?  :dunno:

Correct. I worded that a little wrong. 89-02 do fire every 360* but fires every time the piston is going up, on the compression and exhaust stroke.

Quote from: Kerry

Quote from: dgyverand both plugs are firing at the same time now but with shorter dwells, must be an emission thing.

Both plugs have always fired at the same time, yes?

No. There is only 1 tab on the 89-02 rotor and 2 pick-ups, so only 1 plug can fire at a time.

Quote from: KerryI see what you mean about the "shorter dwells", but how could that possibly work?  Firing more than once during the combustion stroke - whatever the dwell - seems like a bad idea to me.  I can't think of a good timing sequence for multiple firings separated by even, 60-degree intervals.  :dunno:

My guess is that the "shorter dwell" tabs provide more precise timing information to the "black box", but that the plugs only fire when the longer dwell tab comes around.

Then again, I'm totally making all of this up from the few general principles that I think I have a handle on.  You know what they say - a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing....

Your comments are well founded. I am assuming that there still are 2 pick-ups on the 04+. But if that is the case then the plugs will be firing on the intake stroke.  :?

Now where is that pic?!

Quote from: dgyver

Quote from: KerryBoth plugs have always fired at the same time, yes?

No. There is only 1 tab on the 89-02 rotor and 2 pick-ups, so only 1 plug can fire at a time.

OK, that makes perfect sense.  

Quote from: dgyverI am assuming that there still are 2 pick-ups on the 04+. But if that is the case then the plugs will be firing on the intake stroke.

Ah ... THIS is what I meant to say.  Not that both plugs fired at the same time, but that each fired at the top of both the compression and the exhaust strokes.  That wouldn't make sense if the intake valve is open even a little bit.  But if we could prove to ourselves that it's closed until after the spark has come and gone....

I just went to //www.mrcycles.com and looked up the signal generator. Per their diagram, it uses only 1 pick-up. Not sure how this works. But then this means that the electronics on the 04+ are not compatible with prior years.
http://www.psndealer.com/fiche/images/SUZUKI/2004/Motorcycles/1683_21.gif

I doubt it going to fire at each of those tabs ... cos one of the tabs is about 45 degrees before the Big tab ... making it fire 1/2 way in the compression stroke ... maybe its for a different purpose that the Black box needs that information.
Cool.
Srinath.

Maybe the smaller tabs act as counterbalances so the timing is more precise, because it looks like they aren't long enough to actually make a spark.  They might have been just a theoretical addition that they threw into the design to make the ignition rotor seem more technologically advanced when in fact it works the same as the old style.  :dunno:

You should put electrical tape on each one of the small tabs and leave the big tab exposed and see if your bike still runs.  Anyone want to wager?  This could be fun.  :)

Yea shure ... what could be more fun than blowing up your motor Ha...  :?  :?  :?
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Srinath.

another theory is maybe they were considering fuel injection, but scrapped the idea?  that signal generator reminds me of a crank sensor reluctor wheel used in many fuel injected vehicles.  

probably not, but its late... who knows

Quote from: seshadri_srinathYea shure ... what could be more fun than blowing up your motor Ha...  :?  :?  :?
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Srinath.

Explain to me how that would happen and maybe I wouldn't think you were retarted.   :mrgreen:  Either it gets a spark or it doesn't.

OK fine ... cover the damn thing ... see if I care ...
I dunno maybe its supposed to get some funky ass reading from that leading trigger and if it doesn't it might get confused and recognise the next one instead and the next one it might fire ... and that might be 1/2 way up the compression stroke on the other Cyl ... I dunno ... we got wasted spark anyway ... and if that arrives 1/2 a cycle late its 1/2 way in the intake stroke ... that might set the mix in the carb throat on fire ... so now we got detonation and carb fire ... OK exaggeration ... those extra tabs do somehitng ... I have seen those on too many bikes for them to be dummies.
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Srinath.