Clymer lies, the 89-02 manual only covers pre-01 wiring. Does anyone have access to the schematic for 01-03? If so, and you can upload, I'd be very grateful.
Did I mention my sister turns 18 next month...?
Quote from: dane_lindsayDid I mention my sister turns 18 next month...?
Happy birthday Sis. :kiss:
I just walked over to richard's house in the rain to borrow his 1989-2002 edition of the Haynes manual. It has details and pictures for the '01+ carbs, and a new set of COLOR photos in the back to go along with the troubleshooting and extra topic sections ...
... but it doesn't have any more wiring diagrams than the previous (1989-1997) edition did. :o
I'm so disappointed. :(
This discussion seals it. I am going to spring for the Suzuki GS manual listed on ebay. $60+ is a high ouch factor, but the third party manuals are always going to be behind the curve of the OEM data.
The ad claims it covers 1989 - 2004. We will see about that. :dunno:
well does anyone want to scan my factory one into a digital format?
You may want to wait on ordering the '04 edition of the official Suzuki GS500 shop manual if all you are after is the newest wiring diagram.
When I ordered my copy of the official Suzuki GS500 shop manual in '03 it claimed to be updated through the '02 model year. Imagine my dissatisfaction, after paying $60.00 + S&H, when I discoveerd that the manual only had supplements through '99. (My manual consists of 8 regular chapters followed by 9 supplements covering the years '90 through '99)
In November, 2004 I made a request of the membership for a copy of the '00, '01, '02 supplements from the most recent edition of the official Suzuki shop manual. "geekonabike" came to the rescue and sent me those copies.
Now to tie all this together. In my manual (9th edition 8/99 P/N 99500-34069-03E) the most current wiring diagram is in the '97 supplement. When "geekonabike" sent me the '00, '01, '02 supplements from his manual ( 10th edition 11/02 P/N 99500-34092-03E ) there were no newer wiring diagrams included!
So, from all of this I venture to say that the diagram in the '89-'02 Clymer manual may very well be accurate.
Hope this helps.
Bob
PS The most recent official Suzuki GS500 shop manual is P/N 99500-34092-03E available from http://www.repairmanual.com/motorcycles/2004/62/4/15464
Oooups! Too late. The book's in the mail.
I actually want an OEM manual to compare to the third party books. As long as this bike stays normally aspirated and fueled, the major changes will be cosmetic. I believe it will be so even if the handle bar electrics are altered to reflect changes in suppliers and trends in control options.
One Georgia (USA) GS twinner has a mess on his hands with trying to blend various year controls and a chassis with older wiring into a bike. It is most likely an issue with the type of connector used and not a large functional difference.
Knowledge is power. A little hard thinking never blew anyone's brains out.
who do you mean?
:)
on the schematic for the 90-up gs's, it references a "passing switch", you can find it in clymer at the very bottom left, between dimmer and horn. i can't find anything that this could possibly be.
Quoteit references soemthing called a "passing switch"
Is that the only diagram that you have in the Clymer manual? In my Suzuki shop manual there are three different diagrams. One for USA & Canada, one for Australia, and one for "Others". The USA version is the only one of the three that does not have the "passing switch" circuit.
I checked the USA diagram with the "Others" diagram(overseas) and the handlebar swith area of both diagrams are the same except for the passing switch and its two wires. Just eliminate the passing switch and its two wires from your diagram and you are ready to go. The "Others" diagram shows the passing switch and horn switch as one unit. When you eliminate the passing switch and its two wires from the diagram make sure you leave the horn switch and its wires as they were.
Hope this helps.
Bob
thanks, that's what i figured. it did cross my mind,but all diagrams in clymer, including the USA, have the passing switch listed as a part.
i would think the factory manual is correct. again, thanks for checking.
Quote from: dane_lindsay...........
on the schematic for the 90-up gs's, it references soemthing called a "passing switch",........
It's a button you can push to flash the headlight high beam to signal a pass. :cheers:
dane-lindsay,
Check my last post again. I made an addition to it!
Bob
OEM book update. Just got in from work and the new book was home. Thumbed through it. This one is the 11th Edition, August 2004 printing.
Very nice information.
FYI - Suzuki has an ignition module (igniter) tester. I knew someone had to have made some diagnostic gear for these things.
I will gaze more deeply at the book tomorrow or the next day.
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oops
Um...
Wow.
With just a cursory look at the 11th edition I have learned:
(Edited after harder study)
The UK 2003 GS (yes, there was one) used a throttle position sensor (potentiometer to others) to feed the Igniter (it states the ignitor has a CPU in it). The Igniter also controls a Solenoid Valve (whose purpose is unknown at the time of this writing). This is the same in the 2004 GS.
So Dane, this is probably on the carb assembly. It would have three connections for the position sensor (at least). Would the carb throttle cable be the same? I do not know (yet). :dunno:
This creates more questions.
i love that
Here is the 04 diagram.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/tdan553527/Page26.jpg
Thanks TDan! Is that photobucket location fairly permanent? Just in case, I have copied (a trimmed version of) the image to
http://www.bbburma.net/Scans/Suzuki_WiringDiagram_04.jpg[/list:u]
thanks alot tdan...
Interesting the 04.
Two things jump out at me.
1. It has a throttle position sensor and some kind of solenoid wired into the igniter.
2. There are three wires from the neutral switch. Two go to the igniter.
Quite a bit different than earlier models. :cheers:
Kerry, yes, it's permanent. That copy is the US version, I also have the other models too, UK, CANADA, AUSTRALIA, etc. it anyone needs those posted.
Quote from: tdan553527.......... That copy is the US version, I also have the other models too, UK, CANADA, AUSTRALIA, etc. it anyone needs those posted.
Isn't this diag. for US (P-03), Australia (P-24), Canada (P-28 ) and California (P-33) as indicated at the top of the page?:dunno:
This is curious:
My text for Canada is "Canada left paren. P-28 right paren." . Why does it appear in the post as(P-28 )?
Your right, this one covers USA, Australia, Canada, and the California models, I have the UK, Colombia, EU, and the Spain versions also.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/tdan553527/Page2.jpg)
Regarding the 04 schematic...my earlier post on this thread mentioned the CPU now in the igniter. My *guess* is that the 04 neutral switch is more in line with the GSXR switch you just obtained. With more data going to the Ignitor/"latent ECU" the software could adjust ignition attributes to meet desired demands.
Speculation - Maybe this could lead to EFI one day? Carbs are horribly mechanical and if Suzuki did this, as an option perhaps, they may realize some market share increase in this range of bike. This is idle speculation to be sure. 8)
Can we get a better scan of this??
I need to read the wire colors too..some of them i can't make out.
much appreciated :cheers: