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Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: roguegeek on February 21, 2005, 10:17:57 PM
I'm tired of only being able to carry my proof of insurance, registration, and beanie under my seat. I would like to carry my camera, and a couple other things with me while I ride. I've been looking at storage, but really have no idea what is best. I figure the type of storage you use is based on the specifics of the riding. That being the case, I guess I have two questions.

- What would be the best type of storage used (backpack, tank bag, tail bag, etc...) when priority is the bike performance and my ability to ride it? I would want carry a smaller load at this time.

- What would be the best type of storage used (backpack, tank bag, tail bag, etc...) when priority is the more storage, the better? I would still want the bike and myself to perform well, but I want to carry more with this type of setup.
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: goat on February 21, 2005, 10:38:27 PM
I get nervous wearing a backpack. The only reason is that I usually have hard objects that I would not want to fall on in the event of a crash. Maybe I'm just paranoid.

I have a nelson-rigg tailbag. It's pretty good, I guess. The raincover is a PITA and is huge (takes up 1/4 of the inside of the bag when not used). All in all, its good for a tailbag. In retrospect, I would have gone for a non-magnetic tank bag (I have an ipod that I carry with me. magnets+hard drive = no more music) just because I would rather have my stuff in front of me.
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: Frost on February 21, 2005, 10:45:29 PM
i love my tank bag...i use it everysingle itme i ride...it's magnetic...
and doenst' affect flash memory...

i put all my electronics in it...and nothing died on me yet...
although i heard that it's not the magnets that'll kill it...it's the vibration that'll ruin your equipments...
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: weaselnoze on February 21, 2005, 10:55:40 PM
damnit. frost u gotta point and now im mad. i just bought a tank bag so i could carry my cellphone, camera and have it right there. i hate takin off my backpack.  but that pisses me off cause now i prob wont carry my camera in the tank bag.  is it that serious? i never even thought about the magnets or the vibration... this is not a good day. i just spent maybe an hour putting my computer back together after it just shut off..
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: Kerry on February 22, 2005, 12:08:11 AM
I'm in the middle of a community ed Photography class, so my (magnetic) tankbag looks like this lately:

(http://www.bbburma.net/MiscFotos/100_2168_TankBagWithCameras.jpg)
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: weaselnoze on February 22, 2005, 12:19:53 AM
so u dont worry about the magnetism?  or the vibration?
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: roguegeek on February 22, 2005, 12:24:38 AM
Actually, it really is that serious. A magnet of any kind will kill any type of magnetic media (hard drives, LTO, floppy, etc...) and even some solid state media (compact flash, secure digital, memory stick, etc...). Vibrations (especially the kind that are coming straight off of the chassis or tank) will destroy the internals of your camera and cell phone real quick. Trust me. I'm a digital media specialist and have worked with every major D-SLR camera out there. We have cameras fail all the time from things like this. That's why our cases we put them in cost just as much as a full on D-SLR. If you're dealing with $1500 lenses, I would hope they're being packed correctly. The glass and gears in those things are so precisely placed that you would never want to even shake them in your hand.

I guess I didn't think about that until now. I think I may be looking into a backpack type storage so I can keep my things safe. No magnets and I figure your body absorbs a lot of the vibrations. Do you think wearing a small backpack creates noticeable turbulence?
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: TheGoodGuy on February 22, 2005, 02:00:55 AM
i use my tank bag and it works.

There are places like JP Cycles (catalog retailer) that has stuff that can be bolted to teh licence plate (round tube) that can be hidden by the licence plate but still holds your documents.
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: pantablo on February 22, 2005, 02:30:43 AM
I used a tank bag exclusively. Mine expanded and I could carry a bunch of stuff. Enough for an overnight trip or more.

I also regularly carried my digital camera and occasionally my laptop, both without incident.

Its the way to go.
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: roguegeek on February 22, 2005, 07:47:29 AM
Alright. Which tank bags do you guys recommend?
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: dgyver on February 22, 2005, 07:58:29 AM
I have a tank bag from //www.rka-luggage.com. Not the cheapest but one of the best I have ever seen.
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: weaselnoze on February 22, 2005, 10:17:10 AM
Quote from: roguegeekActually, it really is that serious. A magnet of any kind will kill any type of magnetic media (hard drives, LTO, floppy, etc...) and even some solid state media (compact flash, secure digital, memory stick, etc...). Vibrations (especially the kind that are coming straight off of the chassis or tank) will destroy the internals of your camera and cell phone real quick. Trust me. I'm a digital media specialist and have worked with every major D-SLR camera out there. We have cameras fail all the time from things like this. That's why our cases we put them in cost just as much as a full on D-SLR. If you're dealing with $1500 lenses, I would hope they're being packed correctly. The glass and gears in those things are so precisely placed that you would never want to even shake them in your hand.

I guess I didn't think about that until now. I think I may be looking into a backpack type storage so I can keep my things safe. No magnets and I figure your body absorbs a lot of the vibrations. Do you think wearing a small backpack creates noticeable turbulence?

well im glad this came up because i dont want to take anychance whatsoever.  i use a backpack now and there is no vibrations going to it.
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: se7enty7 on February 22, 2005, 10:47:24 AM
Quote from: roguegeekAlright. Which tank bags do you guys recommend?

my biggest concern honestly is theft.  I don't want to have to carry it, along with my helmet, everywhere I go
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: Frost on February 22, 2005, 10:52:56 AM
don't wear a backpack...if you land on it from a fall...you'll crush your spine...
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: mastrind on February 22, 2005, 11:14:24 AM
I've been using the Icon urban tank bag for about a month now.....it's a transformer style bag that becomes an actual backpack (not a tankbag with straps)....I often carry my laptop and cellphone in it.....when carrying the laptop I put a dish towel underneath to soften any vibrations that squeek through the bags padding....

....previously I used a GiVi hard bag mounted off the back of my SV....It really was wonderful.....but....I wanted to enjoy the natural look of my bike for a while.....

....I also used a Shook Speed Pac as a tank bag....it was decent, but opened the wrong way....and eventually cracked....
Title: Theft
Post by: addison on February 22, 2005, 11:34:11 AM
I was considering a tank bag but is it possible to lock them somehow so people cannot steal it or the contents?
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: Dandy D on February 22, 2005, 12:34:48 PM
Well I've used my 'cheap' tank bag on practically every ride since I bought it. Its magnetic and expandable, see through plastic map pocket on top and its somewhat water resistant. I put my cell phone and my digital camera in it. I've had no problems. The camera is in its own case but on a long trip/ride I carry a heavy sweat shirt (just in case) in the TB that obviously will help relieve some vibration. Also I put stuff in a 'Glad kitchen catcher' (tm) (proceeds please  :) ) for the day-plus rides to keep things nice and dry. I actually never thought about the magnetism/vibration issue until I read this thread.
For you Canadians, my tank bag and saddlebags came from Canadian Tire, if you can believe it  :o , and they are just great and relatively cheap. (about $60CAD for the TB - can't remember off hand what the saddlebags were?? about the same I think)
so  :dunno:
Ride Safe
DandyD
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: groff22 on February 22, 2005, 01:25:45 PM
crappy tire sells tank bags!!!??? AWSOME
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: roguegeek on February 22, 2005, 02:17:20 PM
Quote from: mastrindI've been using the Icon urban tank bag for about a month now.....it's a transformer style bag that becomes an actual backpack (not a tankbag with straps)
Wow. That sounds perfect. Carry it around and not have to worry about someone stealing it. I just took a look at it, though. Looks pretty big. Does anyone have a picture of it on the bike? Do you find it hinders your ability to ride to bike in any way? Are there other bags that have the same functionality? Any that are not magnetic?
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: roguegeek on February 22, 2005, 02:24:59 PM
Actually, I just found this picture (http://www.roadridermca.com/tbonbike.jpg) of the Icon Urban bag in action and it looks real huge on the bike. I can't see how something that big wouldn't interfere with the operation of the bike. Is there anything else out there that will work like this pack, but smaller? What about this Icon Primer (http://www.terra-powersports.com/product.aspx?sid=1&id=31725) tank bag? It looks much smaller. It doesn't have to convert to a backpack, but I would like to be able to pull it off easily from the tank and carry it around. Thanx.
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: Mat on February 22, 2005, 03:41:28 PM
i havent seen the primer tank bag yet but i have seen the urban, and that thing is tiny it looks like a kids backpack
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: roguegeek on February 22, 2005, 04:30:03 PM
I think you may be talking about the Primer tank bag. I just talked to a couple people about the differences between the Primer and Urban tank bags. The Urban pack is suppose to be a full on large backpack where as the Primer is only 10 inches tall as a backpack (or 10 inches long as a tank bag).
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: roguegeek on February 23, 2005, 10:12:16 AM
Well, I decided to go with the Icon Primer Pack (http://www.terra-powersports.com/product.aspx?sid=1&id=31725) tank bag. It's small, converts to a backpack, and a lot of people were recommending it over some of the more expensive bags. It was only $42 so no big deal if it sucks. I'll let everyone know how well (or bad) it works.
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: weaselnoze on February 23, 2005, 10:53:07 AM
i forget who said the spine crushing thing about back packs.  they do design backpacks for motorcyclist.  i think they have a thick/hard back pad.. also check this (http://www.newenough.com/axio_fuse_hardpack_page.htm) one out.


i ordered the JR manta tank bag (http://www.newenough.com/joe_rocket_manta_tank_bag_page_private.htm). it should be here friday and i will take pics!
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: roguegeek on February 23, 2005, 03:36:38 PM
Couldn't you also counter any kind of possible back injury with a good back protector (http://www.alpinestars.com/_lp/details/techback.htm)?
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: roguegeek on February 25, 2005, 02:38:21 PM
So I got in my Icon Primer Pack (http://www.terra-powersports.com/product.aspx?sid=1&id=31725) yesterday and have some initial thoughts to share.

First thing I noticed, it's tiny. Maybe 10" long by 8" wide by 6" high. The magnets are strong (at least definitely strong enough to hold what the capacity is). Then I got a little surprised. I was able to fit in it my tinted shield for my helmet, my digital camera in a very secure camera case, a beanie, my iPod in a shielded case (so that I don't demagnetize the hard drive), and a couple other things with a decent amount of room for some other odds and ends. I went off riding with it. Perfect. It's way out of the way. In fact, I don't even notice it's there. This fulfills my first questions perfectly.
QuoteWhat would be the best type of storage used (backpack, tank bag, tail bag, etc...) when priority is the bike performance and my ability to ride it? I would want carry a smaller load at this time.
So initially, I just couldn't be happier. Things may change as time goes by, but I don't really see it happening. Now I just need to get an answer for my second question.
QuoteWhat would be the best type of storage used (backpack, tank bag, tail bag, etc...) when priority is the more storage, the better? I would still want the bike and myself to perform well, but I want to carry more with this type of setup.
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: se7enty7 on February 25, 2005, 02:42:51 PM
if that thing had a map window on the top i'd buy it right now.
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: davipu on February 25, 2005, 02:55:10 PM
ok here is a oddball thing,  my map pocket blew off in nebraska when I was out running a thunderstorm last summer. I have a nelson riggs plain jane tankbag, (it did not fly off when I crashed on 101) and the map pocket rocked, I would put my cd player in there and it was water resistant I could push all the buttons through the clear plastic, and i could jot down directions and have them in clear view while I was riding.  I thought a good map pocket was essential for a tank bag, anyway, the point was that the three snap system isn't very secure, it was only like a 30 mph cross wind that blew it off. so I'd recommend some kind of velcro attachment system
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: roguegeek on February 25, 2005, 03:39:17 PM
Quote from: se7enty7if that thing had a map window on the top i'd buy it right now.
Yeah. Would have been nice. Definitely doesn't look like it was made for long trips though. Oh, I forgot to mention that it removes and converts to a backpack easily. Nice, but I think I'll probably just carry it around by the handle. It's too small on your back and looks like one of those backpack purses that teen girls carry on them. :dunno:
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: davipu on February 25, 2005, 04:05:10 PM
QuoteIt's too small on your back and looks like one of those backpack purses that teen girls carry on them.
so what's wrong with that? there are alot of man-girls in LA.   :mrgreen:
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: roguegeek on February 25, 2005, 07:21:00 PM
I guess you're right, but it's not in that hot pink with aqua trim that I like so much. ;)
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Post by: davipu on February 25, 2005, 10:25:35 PM
nothing a paint marker won't fix
Title: Optimal storage setups? Performance & Space Setups
Post by: mastrind on March 01, 2005, 03:24:17 PM
Quote from: Mati havent seen the primer tank bag yet but i have seen the urban, and that thing is tiny it looks like a kids backpack

this is definately not the Icon Urban tank bag....I have one and absolutely love it.....it's large enough to carry a 2" 3-ring binder, my laptop, a 200-page note-book, various school books, and all of my bike necessities....

....it has the map pocket on top, two side pockets, and a lower pocket that encompasses the entire base of the bag....I really like the way that it transforms from a tank bag to a backpack.....unlike the bag I had before that was just a tank bag with shoulder straps...this bag is comfortable to lean on when it's magnetised to the bike, and comfy to wear when I'm not on the bike....total transformation time takes about a minute.....

....the only improvement I can think of would be to have some kind of elastic banding system on the inside to squeeze the bag from sided to side.....sometimes when there's not much in it, it really spreads out over the tank....something to compress it a little would be nice....
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Post by: Rema1000 on March 01, 2005, 06:55:49 PM
Yep, 3-ring binder is pretty high on the list for me.  I have a Held tank bag, and it neither fits a 3-ring binder flat, nor an 8.5x11" steno notebook (both fit if you expand the bag and tilt them).  Oh, and a 15" laptop doesn't fit either unless you tilt it at an angle.