Well me and MK1incali were commin up 41 east today (saturday) (just got home from ER typing one handed plz excuse me, lol). About 20 min into the ride back from pismo, well 20 min on 41 that is. We came up to a nice right, I took that at about 60 or so and then an IMMEDIATE left came up.
I should have leaned harder to make the turn but instead i pulled an MSF and straightened to full brake. I dont remember much from here, my front tire washed out once i hit the gravel. I remember saying (or thinking?) oh shaZam! and once on the groung saying where the hell is my visor (it folded up) cause i could see rocks.
After that i remember trying to stand up and falling repeatedly, i apparently said things to tony like im fine lets get moving in between falling over but i dont remember. We got the CBR moved and some guy came and offered a ride into town. We (scott and tony, at this time i couldnt move my arm) loaded the bike up and met our ride back into town at rite aid.
As for damage:
Bike: totalled, forks are gone, from what i saw tail light is shot tail is gone, i will know more monday.
Me: Helmet is CRACKED right in the center from where my head dive bombed into a rock (im assuming that accounts for the memory blurriness). Landed on mt left shoulder firt then head into the ground. My leather jacket saved my arm, and my helmet saved my life im sure, I was wearing jeans and normal shoes (wont happen again now...) so i got some nice rash on my left leg. I went to the ER in town at home (4 or 5 hours after the crash). I have a seperated shoulder, which hurts pretty friggin bad. The rash had to be XCRUBBED out, which hurt WAY more than my shoulder does,
Anyways im fine, bike is gone but ill get another when im all healed up. Hopefullt tony will chime in cause im sure i forgit something, and he can fill in the holes,
Ride safe, AND WEAR YOUR GEAR, it saved my life it will save yours too.
(sorry for the long one handed post, lol took me almost 20 min.)
your lucky I am not there I'd be poking your rash. :P going does it hurt now? just wait the fun is going to begin.
i bet im already starting to stiffen up, waitin for pain meds to kick in so i can lay on my bac to sleep.
keep walking around the house, if you have rash on your knees sleep with your legs bent so the scabs don't crack in the morning and if you have a camel bac. sleep with that next to you, when you wake you are not going to want to try to sit up to take pain pills. the worst is when you wake up.
Danny's got the story pretty straight there, I'd like to add the following:
1- We were 5-10 miles east of Atascadero on the 41, not 20 minutes into the 41. We took PCH up to the end/beginning of 41, and were 20-30 mins from that point, which Danny is thinking of. According to a few passerby, that corner is pretty infamous on the Central Coast for being a killer.
2- I was going about the same speed on my mom's YZF600R, in front of Danny, and made the corner.
The difference between the two of us? For starters, bike prep. My bike had clean front brakes, fresh pads and rotors, matching stickyness tires. Rider prep? I've got 12 years of experience on various styles of motorcycle, streetbike for 5 years. Danny's got 5 months. I've been on the road before, albeit almost 6 months ago, on a different bike, going the other way, but I still had a distant image in my mind of what the road was doing.
I'd say the main thing was looking ahead, and having that reaction, not skill, mind you, to lean it over, rather than trying to stop before the corner's edge.
I remember back in the day, reading a Gordon Jennings article on why motorcyclists crash. He had done a ton of research, and had found most people do exactly what Danny did, which is pull the bike upright, and grab a handful of brake. This results in either washing the front tire out, or driving straight into whatever you wanted to avoid, be it cliff, wall, tree, ditch, etc. Very few people lean it over too far and lose traction from what is effectively trying to turn too hard.
Yea live and learn. Many could haves and should haves (ie my entry speed, my cornering ability). All i can do is figure out what went wrong and learn from it. This is also an excuse to save up and buy a nice CBR :).
And finally change your sig.
a new custom title, "....and someday I'll lean over"
Ah man, that sucks!
I did the exact same thing, albeit at much slower speed, with the same result: pulled-up, applied brake, hit the marbles and high-sided right into the pavement. In retrospect, I'm sure I could've made the corner but it was a tough call at the time (for me, anyway). It was a really tight right immediately into an equally tight (and blind) left on a very small canyon road. Went wide on the right turn, and rather than hang my head over the stripe for a car to lop off on the left I decided to pull-up. I probably had enough traction to lean it harder right then toss it left but I was too afraid of low-siding into traffic or off the cliff.
Bottom-line: I was clearly driving beyond my skill-level and it bit me in the shoulder, ribs, and knee. :oops:
Anyway, I'm glad you made it out in decent shape and I hope you heal quick!
-Gavin
Did the same thing about 3 or 4 weeks ago. Doing between 40 and 50 aroudn a right hander. Was wearing full gear and the only damage was a broken toe ( I think). My back is still sore, but it was always kinda sore before. Bike came out of it pretty good and it is all fixed and rideable now.
I think they need to teach a little more in the MSF. If I had just leaned more and gave a little more throttle I would have made the corner, but I too pulled the MSF and straightened up to brake. Live and learn.
Sorry to hear about your mishap. Hope you get better soon.
Besides the experience there is one more factor.
When you ride as a group you have a tendency to look at the guy
ahead of you. A few months ago there were three of us riding. I was in the middle. We were going along and all of a sudden on a road that was making a tight left I'm off the pavement. The ground was dry and I was on the DL650 so I was able to ride it back onto the pavement. Never touched the brakes. If I did I was gonner. The funny part about it I was watching the guy in back of me in the mirror the whole way. He was busy watching me and he went off the pavement, I could see the dust. He was on a KLR650 so he rode it back onto the pavement.
The lesson learned is that, don't make all your decisions based on what the guy is doing in front. Don't get fixated. Give yourself a little more room on roads that you are not familiar with.
Did you wake up "healed" to your sheets today???
My brother took a spill when he first started riding... He had to peel himself off the bed a few times...And yeah the scrubbing of the rash hurt like hell I'm sure ( My brother also didn't enjoy that part..).
Always look where you want to go... You did ok by not freezing up tho...
Heal up.
Wowee man ... you crashed a couple weeks ago too right when the chain snapped right ... The same bike ??? That got fixed and you crashed again ...
Glad you're OK ... makes you think if the big guy up there is trying to tell you somehting ... I'm thinking along the lines of ... stay off that CBR Dammit ...
Cool.
Srinath.
Glad you are still here to be able to talk about. Things could be worse and bikes can be replaced. Crashing is not all bad, as long as you learn from your mistakes. I have crashed and I have learned, plenty of times.
You mention somthing about doing a "MSF and straightened to full brake". Is this something that is taught in the MSF course? If it is then someone needs to tell them that they really f--ked up on this one. I have not been to a MSF course. But there is one thing that really stuck out when I went to the EBRS racing school.....
No matter what happens when turning, TURN.
Most bikes nowdays will out handle the average rider even when you think they are at their limits.
Heal well and get back in the saddle. :thumb:
Quote from: dgyverYou mention somthing about doing a "MSF and straightened to full brake". Is this something that is taught in the MSF course?
I just did MSF last month and this is the technique they teach for an emergency stop in the middle of the turn (e.g. coming up suddenly on a stalled car, object in the road).
I dug out the MSF stuff to double check the wording.
To be fair to them, they are talking about emergency stopping when the road is blocked. Also, the emphasis is on NOT braking while turning.
But I agree that MSF could do a better job of letting riders know that pulling up and stopping in a curve IS NOT a solution to hitting a corner too fast.
Regardless of training, I think braking is always the strongest instinct when feeling out of control. It takes a lot of practice to overcome that instinct and do the right thing. I don't claim to have reached that point by any measure!!
daniely, keep the road rash moist for less discomfort. when I had really big patches across both my shoulders, I would shower once an hour, and I used neosporin with pain reliever when I wanted to try and get some sleep.
The MSF course did teach it in relation to a blocked roadway/hazard, but that is all they taught. Consequently that is all I knew when I got in trouble. They should just add in that it is not a solution to entering a corner too hot for comfort. Lean more and turn is obviously the best course of action, but I went for what I was told/taught (even thought it was not the correct/best course of action). I know better now though and don't plan on making that mistake again.
Later
matt
Regardless of training, I think braking is always the strongest instinct when feeling out of control. It takes a lot of practice to overcome that instinct and do the right thing. I don't claim to have reached that point by any measure!!
The only way to overcome the instinct of straightening up the bike is a lot of experience.
The way to get that experience in a hurry, is to go do some track days.
Nobody in a panic situation is going to lean a bike furher than they ever have to save themselves. You first have to learn how far you can lean a bike, and then learn to trust that lean angle. On the street, you might low side the bike at a lean angle that you could get away with on the track, but at least it will be a lowside, and you will have at least started to turn before it happens.
One time in the mountains of Arizona I came around a curve on a RZ350 that I was touring on, and I was loaded with gear. Tank bag, soft luggage, stuff piled on the seat. Any way, I caught a large gust of wind while negotiating a left hand curve at about 60 while leaned all the way over, just short of dragging hardware. The bike started to wobble, just short of a tank slapper, and started moving towards the outside of the lane, with a 1000 foot drop off the road. Realizing quickly that this wasn't going to work, I straightened the bike up and scrubbed 20 miles an hour off of the bike and flicked it back over using the last little bit of pavement and the shoulder. Made it with the painted line to spare.
Now if I wasn't racing bikes at the time, I would never have had the skills and speed of decision making to have come up with the solution.
Moral of the story, there is never a stock answer to what to do in a emergency situation, but the track is your best hope to survive on the street.
Paul
Morning all, today is not as bad as i thought. I did however wake up "healed" to my sheets, lol thats sucked. As soon as i get pics ill post em up. Thanks for all your support, the CBR is toast, so once im well enough to part it out ill be in the market again. HAPPY EASTER!!
Sorry to hear about your misfortunes Daniel. It would probably be good to do something different for awhile to have fun and take your mind off everything. If you decide to return to motorcycling your mental state will be fresh. I don't know if you've ever tried bicycling but that's about the only thing that I've ever done that takes my mind off everything. It's also great exercise.
Derek
Well im lookin at several months before i get full mobility back, and im able to start lookin at anothe bike. I think this CBR was a bad buy all around.
Danny.....that sucks man.....hope you heal up allright.....I had a similar (but less damaging) crash early in my riding career.....went down on some sand on the road in the middle of a nice lean.....mild shoulder separation....mostly bruised pride....luckily my bike wasn't thrashed.....I was able to get her upright (all adrenaline) and ride to the nearest ER only about 10 miles away.....
.....give everything time to heal....and before you know it you'll be back on two wheels.....you might want to consider a different bike......you've got time to pick out the right bike for you....
.....we're just glad to hear that you were able to walk away from the accident.....
Thanks to those for clarifying the MSF course teachings.
One other thing in obstacle avoidance and fixation, look for the clear area and not at the object to be avoided. This has proven itself to me. Once on the track we were going 4 wide into a left turn. There was one bike to my left and two to the right. The bike to my left spun up the rear and tossed it in front of all of us. Bike parts were flying everywhere and the rider was sliding across our path. I just focused on the clear track (well, as clear as I could find) and we all made it past it debris field upright.
Fixate on the clear road, a good way to avoid potholes and manhole covers.
Regarding lean angles and traction, are there techniques for learning the limits of your bike on a track that you can't learn on a road, or is it just a safer environment to make mistakes? I can understand the advantage of repeatedly taking a known sequence of turns and observing the effects of small adjustments in lean, speed, throttle, brake, etc on each turn, but is that all?
-Gavin
yeah, my MSF instructors taught us the straighten up and brake technique. if i remember this was always prefaced by "if you _need to stop_ in a curve"
i distincly remember them saying that most single-motorcycle crashes occur on turns and a majority could be prevented if the rider would just KEEP PRESSING the handlebar
gavin, "learning the limits" in this case is really just overcoming your fear of low-siding. especially if you do not have much experience, the ability of your bike to hold on to the road while leaning into a curve FAR surpasses your perception of that ability... so, most people just go "oh shaZam!, i can't lean that far" and give up, while they still have a shaZam!-load of lean left
Most of the same things can be learned on the track as the street but the consequences of your mistakes are much more dangerous on the street. The learning curve is much slower on the street than the track since pushing the limits can cause major injury. The track is a more controlled environment. Less to be concerned with along with more opportunity for concentration on the bike and it is action. Remember that it is not the fall that hurts, it is the sudden stop.
Since I have started going to the track, I have become a slower street rider eventhough my ability is greater.
Sorry to hear about your fall - Hope a full and speedy recovery.
awww daniel. so sorry to hear you crashed...hope you get better quickly and get back on a honda soon.
more practice is in order for sure, even a track school or two...
I feel your pain danny and hope it doesnt last.
now i must say this
WAIT WAIT WAIT, did i read that correctly?
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Rider prep? I've got 12 years of experience on various styles of motorcycle, streetbike for 5 years.
Danny's got 5 months.
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and Danny was riding a CBR?
that about right?
i have some questions then, is it 5 months experience total on bikes dirt and street? 5 months on the CBR alone? how many other bikes riden? (parking lot practice doesnt count)
Yeah I was wondering the same thing... possibly the CBR is too much bike for you right now
In Daniely's defense (sort of)...
It didn't sound like he went down because a too powerful bike, it sounded more like he had too much entrance speed, and reacted wrong to it.
Anyone can do that on any bike, irregardless of HP. heck, you can mess up on a moped like that. You just gotta shake it off and try to train yourself to react the correct way in a situation like that.
He might have been riding beyond his limits (too fast into a corner not knowing the road, etc) but blaming the bike isn't very fair.
:o :o :o Glad your ok Daniely....heal quick brudda...!!
Glad you had the most essential gear on...~~~ :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
I dont think its so much the bike, the CBR is a great bike, im just trying to understand if Indeed a new rider was on a CBR and why not on a smaller,cleaper, more forgiving bike. The chances of a new rider going down are high regaurdless of what he/she rides. it just boggles my mind knowing this why some choose to grab New, or Fast bikes when they dont have the miles on their belt.
in all honesty, would you cry more over your totaled CBR or someting abit used and is more beginer friendly that was bought and is cheap to fix.
again, i hope you heal well and this is a breif notch in memory for you. i also hope your ride is fixable and you get riding again soon.
peace
I'm glad you are (relatively speaking) OK. Heal quickly. :kiss:
To clarify a bit, Danny bought his GS500 back in November. He had limited weekend riding of quads before that, but nothing regular or fast-paced, as far as I know. Cummuterguy is right on too much entrance speed from not knowing the road and how he wouldn't have been any better off on a lower-powered bike.
I do agree with the too much bike sentiment, but it's also partly an almost complete lack of knowledge of what to do once on a canyon/twisty road.
The CBR was already trashed, had a salvage title, no fairings nor upper/windshield, rear plastics were broken and Danny had covered the tail and the seat with fur, frame was tweaked, subframe bent, both rims bent, forks were already bent, etc etc. So...you could definitely say it was already used.
but what about weight and geometry of a larger bike? idk just a thought..
That could have played a part, but from what I saw looking at his path, he decided he couldn't make the corner, went upright, and hit the brakes as hard as possible until his front tire washed out on the gravel shoulder.
I doubt that a smaller bike would have enticed him to throw it over on it's side and try to stick the corner.
well from riding some MUCH heavyer bikes (my XJ650 is a pig and a half) then going to the GS, ive found stuff that would have wiped out, or no margin for error with the XJ, the GS has been INFINNATLY forgiving. ive ridden out some stuff i was convinced for sure i was going to eat. the bike may or maynot have been MUCH of a factor. i have found the GS able to scrub off alot of speed all by itself entering and proceeding through a corner. i still think 5 months riding time and steping on a CBR is abit uncalled for. Im not trying to rag on you Dan and hope its not sounding too much like that. but i do know that some of the supersport bikes can and often do inspire confidence in one's skills. often cases this is False confidence. miles will be the only thing to give real confidance. heh, ive ridden many years and can lean over on the GS, cant get the tires to slide as im not that confidant. but hopfuly with my newly aquired Honda XL250R i can go out and get comfortable with sliding and help improve my street thrashing skills.
Danny sorry to hear you crashed, hope you get better soon. As a beginner (two weeks) reading other riders experiences really helps. Does anyone else have words of wisdom or experiences that could help us newbies? ;)
The bike wouldn't have mattered. Sounds to me like Daniely was trying to keep up with MK1incali, who knew the roads better and is a more experienced rider, causing Daniely to drive faster on an unfamiliar road than his skill allowed. This is how noobs wreck all the time, it seems.
Having totalled this one, though, and having a lot more to learn, I wouldn't recommend buying a bike you can't afford to total again.
:o Man, sounds like you made out a lot better then the bike. Get better and maybe take this time off to do some reading, there are some great books out there on sport riding. Heal quick!
-ash
Quote from: Mk1inCaliDanny had covered the tail and the seat with fur
sweet :)
i would love to have a bike that was all furred out
no you wouildnt, they are nasty when wet dude, stink, slopy, mildew and stuff starts growing, dogs and cats will pee on it. fur works well to learn to stunt, its easy to glue patches inplace and you wouldnt know it was rashed.
Is there any responsibility for an experienced rider, who is riding with someone that is a beginner, to ride at a slower speed? Especially if he knows there is a blind curve ahead? I am in no way suggesting that Tony has any responsibility. Danny is a big boy and climbed on that bike for a reason.
Just wondering. Probably shouldn't mention it, but I want to know what you guys think about that. Is it every man for himself out there or should riders look out for each other?
I have only riden alone, so I have no idea. I am really sorry if I offend anyone.
Quote from: Jake DIs there any responsibility for an experienced rider, who is riding with someone that is a beginner, to ride at a slower speed? Especially if he knows there is a blind curve ahead? I am in no way suggesting that Tony has any responsibility. Danny is a big boy and climbed on that bike for a reason.
Just wondering. Probably shouldn't mention it, but I want to know what you guys think about that. Is it every man for himself out there or should riders look out for each other?
I have only riden alone, so I have no idea. I am really sorry if I offend anyone.
perhaps....but if you don't have any kind of bike-to-bike communication it's really hard....it sounds like Tony wasn't riding point, and would have had no way to forewarn Danny.....
Oh, my bad. I thought he was.
See, I used to race mountain bikes. I rode on some pretty nasty trials a lot. Steep drops, cranium sized rocks, big hits, etc. When I was riding with somebody that wasn't as fast as me, or didn't have proper gear, my main concern was for them, a lot of times. Don't want to carry somebody to the trail head. Wayyy too much work.
Anyway. . . I was just wondering if there was any carry over to riding motorcycles on twisty roads.
Glad to hear your ok, sorry about your bike.
Get well and heal.
By the way, I'm really glad you two made it back alive. When I grew up in Pville I went to high school a few years after four girls crashed into a ditch on the way to pismo for spring break and drowned. Ever since, the parents in the area have been reluctant to let their teens drive on those curvy roads, rightly because there are a lot of blind turns on the way there (I think James Dean crashed and died around there).
First off, Dan,
Sorry to hear about your crash. heal quick and keep us posted on how you're doin! Are they setting you up with any kind of rehab for your injuries, or is it just an R&R sort of thing?
Jake,
I think there's a bit of both, but the majority of the responsibility rests with the rider themself. If you've never been in a group ride (I've only been on a couple) it pays to let folks know you're inexperienced. However when you're out there, don't necessarily expect folks to alter their riding style. There was an earlier post about group riders watching the bike in front of them, and I've gotta say that rings very true. if everyone is used to a fast pace, they might sink back into that unawares. I think it takes more conscious thought to ride within your personal limits when you're in a group, but it's your responsibility to do so. After all, you only have to overcook one corner, right?
that being said, hi-five for taking it easy on folks when MTB'ing. I road with a bike shop as a total noob years ago, and they were very supportive like that as well. Hell, on my first serious downhills, one guy slowed up to make sure I didn't bail and to give me pointers. That kind of looking out is really awesome. I'm sure the same kind of camaraderie exists with some people on motorcycles, but the accountability rests first and foremost with yourself.
Regards,
Riz
:thumb:
I've been in that group situation on the moutain bike before. On a challenging trail I knew well, following another expert rider into a slick off camber turn. . . looking at his bike, locked in, while I low sided on some nasty rocks at double digit speeds. Ouch.
But I can see this same thing happening to me someday. But for grace, there go I. And I am certainly glad Danny is okay. This certainly hasn't dampened his spirits for riding any. One tough SOB, if you ask me.
Get back out there!! You've got all my respect, for sure! Heal quick.
A quick note in defense of MSF: I remember being taught three distinct techniques in my class last year.
1) If you're in a turn and traffic or obstacles block your way, you straighten up and brake hard. This in contrast to staying leaned over and braking, which is a no-no.
2) If you're in a turn and it's too tight, either because your entrance speed was too high or because the radius decreases mid-turn, lean over more. Specifically, push harder on the inside handlebar. I don't know if it's standard procedure, but my particular instructor did stress that this should be the first response when you find yourself wandering toward the outside of a turn.
3) If things are too tight for 2) to work, you can straighten up and scrub off speed with the brakes, then as you hit the outside of the turn, dive back into it. The idea is your speed will now make the rest of the turn manageable.
Of course it's one thing to hear these things andquite another to execute them in panic situations. (It does seem like track days are good times to hone these instincts, I hope to do a couple this season.) But even then, it sounds like that turn was just really vicious and he hit it too fast. Maybe none of those techniques might have worked.
Anyway, glad to hear things seem to be okay, considering. You hate to see crash stories here, but it's good when the crasher survives without too many injuries and in good spirits.
just turning and easing off the throttle and i mean EASEING slivers of throttle off while turning will scrub off GOBS of speed. the reason he says stay into the turn, push harder is your likely to scrub off alot of speed this way and bring things back into more predictable control. MSF says DO NOT BRAKE WHILE TURNING to new riders as they have not developed the Finness or softer touch/feel for the control needed to brake while turning. this comes with and ONLY with time and miles. i do most my braking before a turn,even a hot one, i might continue Mild braking while i settle into my chosen line, it depends on whats going on and who is around me at the time. even if not racing, one can ease of the throttle in a turn and it will tighten up the turn, you just cant CHOP the throttle (let it close all the way or near nothing) then you upset the bike too much and things go pourly from that point.
I do feel at least partly responsible, I have never led a group ride before, and yes, I was in front of Danny by 6-7 car lengths, IIRC, and I do think we were going too fast for the conditions, even with my prior MX and street experience, which is 200 times what Danny has in both hours logged and different bikes ridden. The corner was a complete surprise, I did not remember it from the prior rides, and there was a complete lack of signage prior. Not even a 15mph or something to warn you.
Was I at fault for leading too fast? Yes. Was Danny at fault for following at a pace he "should have known" was too fast? Yes.
Corrections to prior posts, after talking with Danny about this thread, he did have a year of experience riding a small 4-stroke dirtbike, with the aformentioned quad experience mixed in. Also, he said his frame was not tweaked, but his subframe was bent to the left a bit. Everything else was bent as posted above.
Lessons for newbies to take away from this? Stick to the GS until you are dragging the pegs off, keep good tires/brakes on your bike, GET TO THE TRACK, don't ride any speed over what you feel comfortable since you ARE NOT racing anything or anyone on the street. Ride the canyons alone until you know the roads and how your bike will react to more throttle/less throttle, brakes mid-corner, shifts in your body positioning, etc etc.
It needs to be a conditioned response to lean it over before standing it up and braking for it to happen in the real world. You cannot think that fast.
Quote from: D-DayRegardless of training, I think braking is always the strongest instinct when feeling out of control. It takes a lot of practice to overcome that instinct and do the right thing. I don't claim to have reached that point by any measure!!
The only way to overcome the instinct of straightening up the bike is a lot of experience.
The way to get that experience in a hurry, is to go do some track days.
Nobody in a panic situation is going to lean a bike furher than they ever have to save themselves. You first have to learn how far you can lean a bike, and then learn to trust that lean angle.
Now if I wasn't racing bikes at the time, I would never have had the skills and speed of decision making to have come up with the solution.
Moral of the story, there is never a stock answer to what to do in a emergency situation, but the track is your best hope to survive on the street.
Paul
Hi everyone, sorry to hear about your crash Danny, but glad you're okay! I'm new to this site and to riding. I took the MSF class last year in June and got my bike in July. Interesting info here in this thread, but I didn't get to finish reading it all yet. (Gotta get to sleep... got work in the morning.) But I wanted to post first... I have some questions for you more experienced riders.
First is in reference to the quote above... You said practice is the best way to overcome the instinct of braking and/or straightening up the bike when feeling out of control (such as in a turn)... is a lot of experience; and that track days are a good way to get experience quick.
Do you think someone as new as I am to riding should do track days already? I only have about 1500 miles on my bike so far. I have been on some group rides, but I tend to take turns pretty slow because I am still nervous about learning my lean angle on my bike. (Something I need to work on.) I ride at my own pace within my own limits, and the people I ride with go at their pace and they're cool with that. I'm a new female rider, so granted I may not be quite as "daring" as some of you guys are, but I want to learn how to better take turns (leaning), so any info you all could give me would be greatly appreciated. :thumb:
Danny,
I have to admit that I have been watching you online with some apprehension since selling you my GS last year. I was hurt when you guys (Danny and Tony) insinuated that it was in poor condition, and very surprised when you sold it with barely any more miles on the clock than when it left here.
I, being a bit fatalistic am glad to see people grabbing life and shaking the piss out of it while they can, and buying the CBR sounded like a kid chasing his dream to me. But, your posts here and on BARF had me concerned about the bike's condition, and your overall riding mentality.
The chain incident shook me up, and talk about blasting to 130mph, didn't help. I am saddend to hear that you seriously wadded the bike this time, and genuinely hope that you pick your next bike and subsequent lines more carefully. I still believe that a supersport is an OK bike to learn on, just wear your gear, and keep the real speed for the track.
Heal up quick, get back on two wheels, look me up when you are in the Sierras, and I'll show you some real roads. Plus from where you'll be a quater mile behind you'll love the sound of my TL with the new full race Yosh and Ti cans. :thumb:
Aaron
Quote from: aplitzwhen you are in the Sierras, and I'll show you some real roads. Plus from where you'll be a quater mile behind you'll love the sound of my TL with the new full race Yosh and Ti cans. :thumb:
Aaron
we need to get together this summer
<--- lives in Reno
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Hi everyone, sorry to hear about your crash Danny, but glad you're okay! I'm new to this site and to riding. I took the MSF class last year in June and got my bike in July. Interesting info here in this thread, but I didn't get to finish reading it all yet. (Gotta get to sleep... got work in the morning.) But I wanted to post first... I have some questions for you more experienced riders.
First is in reference to the quote above... You said practice is the best way to overcome the instinct of braking and/or straightening up the bike when feeling out of control (such as in a turn)... is a lot of experience; and that track days are a good way to get experience quick.
Do you think someone as new as I am to riding should do track days already? I only have about 1500 miles on my bike so far. I have been on some group rides, but I tend to take turns pretty slow because I am still nervous about learning my lean angle on my bike. (Something I need to work on.) I ride at my own pace within my own limits, and the people I ride with go at their pace and they're cool with that. I'm a new female rider, so granted I may not be quite as "daring" as some of you guys are, but I want to learn how to better take turns (leaning), so any info you all could give me would be greatly appreciated. :thumb:
Track days are a good experience for anyone at any level. They are not a place to learn how to ride a bike though. But if you feel comfortable on a bike, then please do a track day. They all should have a beginner class with control riders that can give you help, sometimes one-on-one. NESBA and STT are a couple of that I can think of in this area.
It takes some saddle time to feel comfortable while leaning a bike. The track environment removes other concerns (cops, debris, animals, oncoming traffic, etc) so you can focus on your riding. Being a female does not make things any different. It is a mind set. On the track, having the bike do something unexpected and be able to recover safely is a confidence booster.
Hey all!
Well wanted to give an update..
Last couple days have been interesting to say the least, pain meds and sleep...rinse, repeat.
The bike is indeed totalled, i get it back tonight and will soon be selling the major parts to pay it off.
Aaron, i aapreciate your concern, i was VERY happy with the GS and in fact I miss it. I am already looking at new bikes (figure ill be back in the saddle in about 4 months), looks like im goin for an SV this time.
As for lessons learned, well there are to many to mention, I can only learn from them and apply them to my new style of riding. As for what happened, there are many different factors, such as not knowing the area, riding WAY above my limits, riding a bike that wasnt the safest vehicle on the road. I hold no one at fault but myself. I can only hope that I learn from my mistakes. I do plan on riding again, and the CBR is repairable (though I wont be repairing it or even riding it again). I plan on looking for a new SV in outstanding condition. I will definately be taking it slow, and will be doing track days. I cant wait.
I did make bad decisions, and I could have done things differently, but to no ones fault but my own I payed the ultimate price, and lived to tell about it. I can only ask that others focus and try harder and learn from their mistakes as I will be. But dont let that stop you from riding, never..
(ill have pics of my gear soon, and the CBR)
just read this now... good to see you came out reasonably ok.
I know how it gets in group rides riding over your head. I've been on more than one that I was riding over my head and had to change lines in the middle of corners because I wasnt paying attention to my line but the like of the rider in front. Scared the hell out of me to have to man-handle the bike and lean it further than my comfort level because I was trying to ride at a speed wich my experience didnt match.
On one of those rides riding on an unknown road way over my head I had several severe tankslappers, and watched a friend be taken away by med-evac chopper after going off a cliff. He turned out ok but coming back from that incident (group decited to return home since the ride was pretty much over anyway), I went down coming back from that crash... kind of a minor accident, the rear slid off me on a bailey bridge (it was raining) so me and the bike just slid down the road at 50mph, didnt hit anything. But I guess it served as karma for me to have been riding so arrogantly earlier that day.
In my 3 years riding the one thing I learned, when on a ride, know who your riding with, make sure they know your experience level, and most importantly, ALLWAYS ride within your own limits, REGARDLESS of how fast they are going, if they lose you, they will (should) wait. If they dont, let them know and if they still dont want to wait dont ride with them. If you cheat and try to keep up when you arent experienced enough it WILL eventually catch up to you and it might hurt you or even worse. (this is strictly street, on a track you "may" be encouraged to folow an instructor's line to learn the track and gradually learn more about your own limits).
I think you will enjoy an sv, awesome bike... a few of my riding buddies have some. One difference, you probably allready know from moving from a gs to a I4 engine, the sv will once again be more twitchy than an I4, so smoothness will be the key. The smoother you can keep it, the better rider you will become (given time ofcourse). I know I have a really long way to go in learning to be a better rider, but it all comes down to practice and experience. Being only 19, I got lots of years left to ride so I have no objection to taking my time and learning to walk before I start to run.
Heal up fast and get back on the horse... riding is an addiction, feed it :mrgreen: :lol: :thumb:
....ahhh Danny.....glad to see you're finally coming around.....maybe this accident was a good thing (a silver lining type of thing here)......I love my SV.......it's a great learner bike that you can mod up as your experience increases......
....I mean learner bike not starter bike.....that's what the GS was all about......I really enjoyed my year on the GS....it taught me a lot.....but I could only learn so much on that bike......as a bigger guy, I was not comfortable on the GS after a year.....
.....not a power thing here, but a weight thing....at 230 lbs, I almost outweighed my GS......I got to a point when I felt comfortable moving on and did so.....
....I too went for an I4 (katana 750) for a few months......I got off of it because of insurance reasons......my ins company changed the classification to a superbike for some stupid reason......and I finally got onto my SV......I've been on it for almost 2 years now.....
....the SV's got twice the power the GS has.....and it's got plenty of torque t'boot.....accessories and parts are abundant......and it's fun to ride.....it's a forgiving bike that will allow you to make mistakes....
.....so heal up....part out the CBR (eh...who wants a honda anyways....j/k pablo)....and get back out there.....take it slow.....and know your limits......
I am very glad you are OK!!!!! Get well sooooon also!
Thanks again for all the comments everyone!!!
Quote from: mastrind....part out the CBR (eh...who wants a honda anyways....j/k pablo).....
I HEARD THAT! :nono:
hey jules. if u decide to do a track day, take me with u. i want to do one myself! i have logged a few more miles than u but not much so we could prob stick together.
Dan, glad to hear first that you are ok and secondly that you are going to get back in the saddle.
Yea, I would never let something like this keep me from riding, I enjoy it to damn much. My mom is actually glad that im not quitting, she knows how happy it makes me.