this is why so many people sugest a small bike for a beginer
http://kawiforums.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=27101
Quoteaccelerate at a moderate pace shifting about +/-12k into second, then 3rd was about +/- 10k putting me somewhere in the 90 to 100mph? right?
Sigh......
Is there any hope for someone that rides like this on the road? :dunno: I guess if he was on a 250-500 cc bike he wouldn't have the power to put himself in that position.
These folks ruin it for the rest of us. Higher insurance and poor public image.
seemed pretty cheery for a guy who lost a foot.
Quote from: crashseemed pretty cheery for a guy who lost a foot.
LoL i thought so too, but it's his own fault so i have no sympathy for him...there is a reason why people don't recomend 600's for beginer bikes :nono:
they seriously going to wack off his foot/?? i thought he was joking since he mentioned possibly riding again...
people like that scare me, i feel sorry for him, but not in the way that im sorry such a tragic thing happened to him but sorry someone cuold be so ignorant when starting to ride
Sounded like he got headshakes at 90+ mph, jumped-off, then had the misfortune to grind his foot down to nothing. Now, the GS doesn't get head-shakes easily, but it isn't hard to top 90 mph. Just leave it in 4th and red-line it. I'm sure there are folks here who ride 90+ at times, wearing sneakers. If the guy's crash hadn't been caused by head shakes, it could have just as easily been caused by a raised manhole, etc. 90 mph doesn't leave much room for the unexpected.
Sounds to me like it might have been caused by excessive speed and lack of gear.
Hm, maybe it's time to go order some race boots?
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Hm, maybe it's time to go order some race boots?
Almost anything would be better than the VANS he was wearing :o
WOW. :? excuse me while i throw up.
Am I the only one in the US that thinks we should adopt a CC or HP limit while you have your permit? shaZam!...Danny crashes, another friend of mine that bought an '03 RR went off the road twice last night, didn't crash but should have, 3-4 other guys I've talked to have totalled their bikes just this spring and are looking at getting their next 600 or 1K size bike as soon as they can afford it again. Wrecked list include: FZR600, 2 Duc 748's, and I've heard of a couple others. Maybe Danny will chime in here with what he's seen as he has hung out/ridden with some stunters/guys that cruise the strip on their sportbikes.
Am I the only one that thinks NOBODY needs that kind of speed on the streets?
Quote from: Mk1inCaliAm I the only one in the US that thinks we should adopt a CC or HP limit while you have your permit? shaZam!...Danny crashes, another friend of mine that bought an '03 RR went off the road twice last night, didn't crash but should have, 3-4 other guys I've talked to have totalled their bikes just this spring and are looking at getting their next 600 or 1K size bike as soon as they can afford it again. Wrecked list include: FZR600, 2 Duc 748's, and I've heard of a couple others. Maybe Danny will chime in here with what he's seen as he has hung out/ridden with some stunters/guys that cruise the strip on their sportbikes.
Am I the only one that thinks NOBODY needs that kind of speed on the streets?
I'm definitely with you there. In fact, I think everyone should have at least a couple of years driving experience (in a car) before they're allowed to ride a bike. There is way too much to think about when first learning how to ride a bike, not to mention trying to do all that while having to think about all the rules of the road. It's just way too much for most 16 year olds to be able to handle safely without adequate "real life" experience on the roads.
What I don't get is how people expect to be able to handle the absolutely incredible amounts of forward thrust a 600 will produce. Sub 4 second 0-60's are the norm for any bike more powerful than an SV650. What kind of dough would you have to shell out for a car that can compete with that? 1K's are that much faster, sub 10 second 1/4's and almost 200 mph.
What happened to riding cross country on a CB350. Damn my father and his skill in getting me to religiously read Egan since an early age.
One of the kids who wrecked his kitted out 748 was in the police station when I went to get a fix-it ticket for lack of mirrors written off, been 2 months since his accident. He was doing accelerating past 120 when he saw a car pull out into his lane half a block ahead of him. He hit the car straight and upright. This happened at dusk on a week day night. People were on the street, being a popular section of downtown, and because of the usually low traffic amount, people frequently jaywalk, or back their cars out, as everybody just slows on down to wait for them.
120, in a crowded downtown. I'm sorry, but that is an act only committed by someone who is either mentally handicapped or severely lacking in any sort of judgement.
I could continue ranting, but most have stopped reading by now anyway.
Ride safe, and remember, you are a "motorcyclist." You get lumped in with everybody else that has 2 wheels, and I sure don't want anymore discrimination than I already experience being a 20 yr old on a black bike with dark clothes, and sunglasses.
okay, this may be a dumb question, but what is a "headshake"? I haven't a clue.
Also, makes me REALLY want to get some riding boots. I've been wearing some Salomon hiking boots, which are certainly better than Vans, but I don't know how much better. :dunno:
lol this amputee is jacking up motorcycle boot sales ;)
Headshake is when the front of the bike unloads it's weight, either by massive throttle inputs from the rider, hitting something on the road, a bump in the road itself, or huge and fast changes in the rider's body positioning. Couple any of those with low tire pressure, worn tires, crappy suspension (as in low fork oil, blown seals, worn out springs, etc etc), and you've got a pair of handlebars that go back and forth in your hands at a fairly specific harmonic frequency. Sort of like hitting a bell, it rings at one specific vibration frequency, same with the chassis of the bike, except the bell's ringing translates into the front wheel wanting to turn back and forth really quickly.
My '00 does it when I let go of the bars and have a worn out rear tire. Put new tires on it, headshake goes away.
Tankslapper is a more violent and often fatal for the bike version of the same.
Head shakes, tank slapper, and some other names.
The front wheel will start to "shake" back and forth due to the momentum of the wheel and it usually feeds itself getting out of control and making the rider lose control. This is why they invented steering dampers
http://store.yahoo.com/motostrano/ohsteerdamki.html
Basically somehow the front wheel will get turned one direction. Then the wheel will fight to get straight but it will go too far and then fight to get back to the center and go farther the otherway... It feels like someone is taking the handle bar and "shaking" it back and forth.
Starts small then gets bad if you dont stop it. It usually doesn't happen on the GS. It started to do it once on me when I let go (both hands..god knows why) and slowing with my rear brake. It just started to act funky and I grabbed the bars and it stopped. So if it happens to you just relax and try to dampen the front wheel with your arms.
:cheers:
Quote from: '04gs500fthey seriously going to wack off his foot/?? i thought he was joking since he mentioned possibly riding again...
Yup. Open fractures like that, especially if they go into the joint, have a very high risk of getting infected. Once infection gets into bone it's really hard to kill it. Also, with the loss of nerves and muscle he described his foot wouldn't work much anyway. He will really be better off learning to walk on a prosthesis than hobbling on a non-functioning foot. I decided long ago that if something like that ever happened to me, the orthopods would get one chance to get it right, then if it didn't work I will make them take it off. You can modify your bike to take into account that you can't press the rear brake with your prosthesis (at least, not with a great deal of control) but it's a lot harder to ride if you can't put any weight through a weak and painful limb.
Let's just hope it doesn't happen, hey?
We should all thank this guy for increased Insurance rates. :(
Quote from: Mk1inCali... I'm sorry, but that is an act only committed by someone who is either mentally handicapped or severely lacking in any sort of judgement....I could continue ranting, but most have stopped reading by now anyway.....
Rant on my friend! The "rider" at the focus of this thread exhibited an all too common phenomenom in today's society - ignorance of and/or diregard for
cause and effect.
What if the wacko had hit some kids walking along the road? That would be considered vehicular assault and would become man-slaughter if someone had died.
Years ago I had an instructor in college that kept two statistics: Motorcycle accident deaths and Skydiving deaths. "Hutch" would post newpaper clippings of these on the door of one of the Physics instructors - who by the way did both! Hutch was famous for his "Hutchisms" he would interject in his lectures. The one that comes to mind here goes something like this:
"If you have a kid who is no good, won't do what you say, and is causing you trouble, buy him a motorcycle! He will think you are the greatest dad in the world and nature will take care of your problem."
In this case the dad would be exploiting cause and effect. The youth, of course, wouldn't have a clue he was just set up for a severe lesson in life.
Darwinian concepts do apply in certain situations. 8)
He sounds way too cheery... must be all the pain meds he's taking until he gets his foot lopped off.
The boots I wanted didn't fit quite right, so now I am the proud owner of a pair of Sidi Vertigo Corsas (http://www.bornhigh.com/images/smiles/icon_twisted.gif) Let's hope I don't test them out anytime soon!
If you've got the cash to buy the bike, you should have enough to buy some proper equipment too!
Ok, how many here can honestly say they've NEVER rode their bike over 90 mph? Don't make it right but as far as the speed factor we'd all be pots callin' the kettle black. Love the twin, love Mali, and love this forum.
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Agreed, I have gone over 90. But look at his description of the events up to the crash. He obviously didn't know the road, or the bike, or his own skills/bike's inherent willingness to lay over and slide.
Obviously, these crashes can't all be prevented, but I always get the feeling that somebody who had spent some real time (3-4 yrs) riding a GS or whatever other small displacement bike HARD would understand these principles. They aren't hard folks.
Quote from: nathanaelokay, this may be a dumb question, but what is a "headshake"? I haven't a clue.
Also, makes me REALLY want to get some riding boots. I've been wearing some Salomon hiking boots, which are certainly better than Vans, but I don't know how much better. :dunno:
Me an my friends always called them the death wobble.
this happened a long time ago. just goes to show you though...shaZam! happens all the time. dumbass.
I have always been dumbfounded as to the US licensing requirements (or lack thereof), specifically CA. Basically, once you take a WRITTEN test you are free to buy any (ANY) bike you want! There are no size restrictions at all. Its absurd.
I just learned from Danny last night that this had happened a while ago, but as you said Pablo, happens constantly.
I've got 2 acquaintances that are looking at getting bikes real soon. Never ridden before, but they are both looking at going right to R6's or something similar.
Funniest part of it all is, I had my permit back in Minnesota before I moved to CA. When I got to the DMV to transfer, they made me take a written test, and I walked out with a full motorcycle license. Idiots didn't even ask about any sort MSF endorsement.
Here in the bay area, once the weather gets nice, we'll start seeing about one fatality a week. It's squid season as long as the weather is nice. You can talk to them all you want, but it's not going to stop them.
Quote from: cernunosOk, how many here can honestly say they've NEVER rode their bike over 90 mph? Don't make it right but as far as the speed factor we'd all be pots callin' the kettle black. Love the twin, love Mali, and love this forum.
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It is not the speed that concerns me but rather the setting in which it was done. He was describing accelerating away from a stoplight so he was obviously on a secondary road. :x
Quote from: pantablothis happened a long time ago. just goes to show you though...shaZam! happens all the time. dumbass.
I have always been dumbfounded as to the US licensing requirements (or lack thereof), specifically CA. Basically, once you take a WRITTEN test you are free to buy any (ANY) bike you want! There are no size restrictions at all. Its absurd.
were charged so much for insurance yet MSF "isnt required" ... jackasses need to fix something
Quote from: '04gs500fQuote from: pantablothis happened a long time ago. just goes to show you though...shaZam! happens all the time. dumbass.
I have always been dumbfounded as to the US licensing requirements (or lack thereof), specifically CA. Basically, once you take a WRITTEN test you are free to buy any (ANY) bike you want! There are no size restrictions at all. Its absurd.
were charged so much for insurance yet MSF "isnt required" ... jackasses need to fix something
Oh yeah...spending a weekend riding around on a little 250 is really going to prepare someone for a liter bike. MSF also tends to teach stuff that is more suited for older bikes rather than new race reps. The last thing you want to do on a brand new sports bike is grab that front brake with all four fingers. :roll:
Quote from: cernunosOk, how many here can honestly say they've NEVER rode their bike over 90 mph? Don't make it right but as far as the speed factor we'd all be pots callin' the kettle black.
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Come on, C. You know that is a tenuous argument! There is a difference in going over 90 once, going over 90 once a week, going over 90 in a familiar straight with clear visibility, and going over 90 as fast as possible everywhere everytime. I am advocating people passing judgment, of course. There are enough things to think about here. :(
Cheers,
e.
EDIT: I think I miss a "not" before "advocating". I must sound like an @$$hole. :lol:
QuoteOk, how many here can honestly say they've NEVER rode their bike over 90 mph
I can! I can! I've never rode my bike faster than 70 mph! :lol: I'm completely serious. I guess I'm just a "wuss" or something, but there's this thing called life that I'd like to see a little bit more of, seeing as how I'm only 24 at the moment. :thumb:
How many can say they don't get a rush on wringing the neck off of a bike from 0 to about a 100...more than just once a week. Joe Rocker was just talking about in one of the other threads how he ran his new zx6 up to over the ton in a 45 zone. I'm not saying that everybody inclusive does this, but I'd guess that more do than don't...I used to do it a lot when I was a bit younger and I still like to spank the Baby's ass (so to speak) every now and then. That's one more reason I want to get another cruiser type bike with more torque; you don't have to wring 'em out to get 'em to move. The Baby G loves to run up to red-line and I don't need to be doing that. Love the White Owl, Ecuador, and this forum.
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>He sounds way too cheery... must be all the pain meds he's taking until he gets his foot lopped off.
I saw this in my bicycle racing days. Some guys would crash and NOT clean out the pavement from their roadrash. They would then wear it like a war metal or badge of their machismo. This guy sounded a bit like that. I've never seen "reckless and crazy" as admirable traits, so I don't get the mentality myself, especially since this guy actually lost his leg.
yet again my insurance rises another $700 this year, now it's up to $6400 for a year. compared to my car which is $1600 for a year. Next year I think I'll have to take a mortgage out on my place to pay for that shaZam!.
The only thing this post makes we want to do is buy newer and better boots.
And as a reminder - You will decelerate in less time and distance if you stay on your bike. If he had hit the brakes and managed to ride the bike an extra 1 to 2 secs, he could have reduced his speed by 25-40 mph. That could make a big difference in the Force you will hitting the curb with.
And does it strike anyone else oddly that he would have experienced headshakes a couple times on a brand new SS bike?
And to finish this rambling, blah blah blah.
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And does it strike anyone else oddly that he would have experienced headshakes a couple times on a brand new SS bike?
Interestingly enough, I've heard more about headshakes on the new 636's than any other bike recently. In some forums I've lurked on, they're getting a reputation for instability at high speeds. Not sure if this is justified, but it's worth knowing.
I live in California, and id love to see a CC limit for new riders. It's sad I hear about new riders biting off more then they can chew, all the time.
Quote from: SprinklerheadQuote from: '04gs500fQuote from: pantablothis happened a long time ago. just goes to show you though...shaZam! happens all the time. dumbass.
I have always been dumbfounded as to the US licensing requirements (or lack thereof), specifically CA. Basically, once you take a WRITTEN test you are free to buy any (ANY) bike you want! There are no size restrictions at all. Its absurd.
were charged so much for insurance yet MSF "isnt required" ... jackasses need to fix something
Oh yeah...spending a weekend riding around on a little 250 is really going to prepare someone for a liter bike. MSF also tends to teach stuff that is more suited for older bikes rather than new race reps. The last thing you want to do on a brand new sports bike is grab that front brake with all four fingers. :roll:
MSF is better than nothing =/ ive heard of too many people that dont even have their MC endorsement or even know of one....
this guy bit it hard and that really sucks. but he was being stupid and thats what kills people and causes us to have to pay more it also makes us look like a bunch of morons and that why people dont like us and give us no respect on the road.
on another note now that im done ranting. when i ride i wear a nitro raceing jacket a pair of double thick jeans and a pair of steel toe leather boots is that good enough.
also i kind of agree that when you have your temps until you learn to ride and respect the bike you should have a cc hp limit. i know this because my cousins first bike was a 01 cbr600rr and hes recked it 3 times already and messed him self up pretty bad and i feel for him . but he was showing off and did it to himself. i think that if he had a smaller bike he would of been diffrent.