Got em installed on my F last night, love the setup, sportier, have to lean a little more over the tank, but I like the sportbike feel. Went on a little 5 mile test ride last night, bike feels more stable, steering response seems better (if that's possible). Here's the pics. Was stated before that these were not practical for the 04, due to being to close to the fairings, you decide. They could be shortened a little, and everything could be moved inward 1/2" to 3/4",
$45.00 from srinath, if enough people with are interested, he might do another bulk order, up to him though.
What has to be done-
drill two hole for starter assembly and turn signal assembly, of
course, the tabs could be cut off. Had to dremel out the inside of
the bars a little to get the bar ends to fit.
Excuse the dirt, car broke, had to ride in the rain an hour to work yesterday.
Top view, plenty of room
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/tdan553527/IM001013.jpg)
Left side, full turn, about 2" from blinker switch to tank.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/tdan553527/IM001014.jpg)
Left side, a good 2" or more to the fairing
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/tdan553527/IM001015.jpg)
Right side, full turn, a good 2"
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/tdan553527/IM001016.jpg)
Right side, Brake lever is a little closer than the clutch is, but it can be rotated, this is where it's the most comfortable. Still, plenty of clearance
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/tdan553527/IM001017.jpg)
Here's another pic comparing before and after.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/tdan553527/comparo.jpg)
Nice pics, Shane.
I always thought the stockers looked kinda dorky on fully faired GS's.
Enjoy!
those look good, a lot more clearance than the SM2 bars i installed. this pic is not at full twist, its about an inch from the tank at full twist.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/chinox22x/sidetank.jpg)
Thanks, yea, more clearance than I expected. I like em' :thumb:
Very nice, now stop chattin and get to work on your tail swap.
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QuoteVery nice, now stop chattin and get to work on your tail swap
Waiting on my new welder.
Yea who knew ...
I made some for SV guys around here ... made 4 more and well 2 inches from tank and fairing is really good ... on a bike it was never intended for ...
I can make a few more ... Now you had any trouble with the diameter being too small ... its a shade smaller than the other (2 welds) but I thought powder coating took care of it. The 2 welds were too large OD, I was afraid these be too small. SV's fit it just fine. But you never know ...
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If you're making a few more handlebars Srianth, I'd certainly be interested in having a set on my '02. New bars that allow me to lean forward just a bit more would put me in a nice still zone behind my windscreen. Stock bars ain't cutting it... If you do this, though, I'd have to put off getting your engine guards for a while, but since it doesn't look like you're going to be making those anytime soon it doesn't look like that'll be a factor. For real. :)
Edit: In case it isn't implied enough, take this message to mean that those bars are really sweet. :thumb:
Srinath, no problems with the OD, all assemblies and grips fit good. Only problem was the barends, but easily solved.
You can have some right now ... I got 2 left overs ... and actually I got enough steel to possibly make 3-4+ sets ... what I need to see is if the 89 mod for 04 is going to be just the 2 that have already contaced me or more ... In any case 3-4 more no problem, I already ahve 2 ... so I guess order up and Thanks Tdan for pics ... I dont ahve 04 and will never do anyhitng that nice even if I did. Nice to know people liked it and lucky that it fit an 04 ... sorta like falling back asswards into somehting good. If I get people wanting these I'll make them and powder coat it ... so first 2 get immediate, and then wait a week or so ...
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QuoteThanks Tdan for pics
No problem, thanks for making the bars.
One is spoken for. PayPaled you today Srinith.
Thanks, Dave
second one spoken for just pay pal'ed srinath for the other one
Darn... one post too late...Srinath let me know if you can make me a set like Shanes. I think those look killer on the 04' F I'll paypal u asap if you need the money in advance.
Matt
OK then ... I will cut a few more tommorow, monday drop it off at powdercoaters, with any luck by wednesday I'll have a few more ... Once again ... who knew ... I made it for a SV ... And Yes prepay ... cos next set is probably going to be much further out, I got steel now for maybe 3-4 more, and the next run will ahve to be after flanges and maybe case savers ...
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hopefully the welds hold...knock on wood
Looks good but i much prefer my sm bars....but you also paid much less the I...nice bike :thumb:
Quote from: aplitzhopefully the welds hold...knock on wood
Great ... here we go again ...
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Srinath, what is the deal with you and aplitz? Every time the subject of your bars comes up he starts in about welds. Did he get a bad set or what?
I'm just looking for some responsibility. While I did not get a bad set of bars, the fact that two people did get bars that failed should be enough. We have gone round and round on this topic before, and Srinath agreed to make future customers aware of the failures; however, he never mentions the problems in such a public way as he advertises their virtues.
I predict that everyone will jump to Srinath's aid, talking about how cool he is, ans such a great resource for the GS community. Which is irrelevant to the argument. A crucial component like bars simply should not fail in a non-accident situation.
Friend bought a bike from srinath, and his bars broke within a couple months... dont know the circumstances or even if they were the same bars.. but he did say they were made by him so just remember that.
i like srin and he helps a lot of people including myself, and does a great job with carbs ect. I was just asked to pass on this info.
Quote from: aplitzI'm just looking for some responsibility. While I did not get a bad set of bars, the fact that two people did get bars that failed should be enough. We have gone round and round on this topic before, and Srinath agreed to make future customers aware of the failures; however, he never mentions the problems in such a public way as he advertises their virtues.
I predict that everyone will jump to Srinath's aid, talking about how cool he is, ans such a great resource for the GS community. Which is irrelevant to the argument. A crucial component like bars simply should not fail in a non-accident situation.
OK oddly I have been thinking of how to make people aware ... I should say some broke in an earlier run ... or how ...
OK There are some significant differences in the run that broke and the ones I made after. Also 1 of them broke in a crash. I recalled them all and I found 3 more that were weak, much later ... like 2 months after I recalled them, one broke in a non accident. There - Full disclosure - or not - aplitz your turn to add if needed.
The reasons these are different ...
1. They were 3/16th wall and were welded up and the welds didn't fully penetrate. Then I wanted them smooth and nice looking so my welders assistant was tasked with smoothing the welds. He smoothed them out and I sent it out to people and one broke in a crash. I saw it and immediately knew welds didn't go through, and I got it all back and swapped it.
The 2 weld bars are made with 1/8th wall (thinner yes thinner wall was better for weld penetration) and have a 1/2 inch solid rod inserted in the welds and plug welded to both parts ... the bars will stay in 1 piece after the weld breaks ... In my tests the welds tear, the rod hols it together bending more with less force but its a warning, and it stays in 1 piece long after the welds tear ... I bent it back into a tight close V before the broke and even then ... I had no where to bend it further ...
2. They aren't ground smooth at the welds. the old one for those that got them and the next run they'll remember ... The old ones were smooth as a banana, couldn't even tell they were welded. Looked like it was all bent. The ones with rod inserted have very visible welds.
Now all that is for the 2 weld bars. 4 weld bars were never intended for a GS and never intended for GStwin. I made it for 6 guys that have SV's around my house one of whom lives down the block. I made these wihtout any inserted rods and tested them as well. I'll put up pics in a few mins. I cannot insert rods in these welds cos the welds are too sharp. The 2 welds have 120 degreed welds, these have 2 - 120 and 2 90's ... I cannot insert a rodin the 90, however the weld penetration is really good. Check out the pic you'll know. I had 2 more that I showed them, but since may have scrapped out. But they will get tested in the next batch too.
Pprider - Brian when he bought the bike I told him that I'll give him choice of 2 weld or 4 weld bars and I showed him both. I also told him that those bars were an experimental test piece that were banged about with a 10 foot pole, and he said it was OK - he wanted them. He later stripped the allen heads, and I swapped him for good ones, and then had trouble with the things sliding around, and hence cranked them tighter and tighter and eventually ended up breaking somehitng - I am not sure what, but next week I'll prolly meet him and see. The bars it had gave me lots of trouble, I tried 3 different things before finding one that worked. The other problem was that I made so many of the first and second type I ended up getting all mixed up. The ones I sold I made them all the day before with the best option, just to be sure and somehow ended up sending one wrong one to someone (not Brian) ... he bought the second try whihc was on my bike and I was treating it like a test item, and it was to be swapped out, but Brian wanted to keep it ... BTW these are clip on's, not 2 or 4 welds.
Now aplitz - responsibility - I dont knwo what else I can do for responsibilty. Ironic that you ... who hasn't bought a bar or anything else for that matter (and I am not saying that you need to, many others also haven't and its fine) is the only one complaining, while those that did buy the bars even the first lot, have in the following months (Fall 2003 is the bar break and recall time frame) ordered more stuff like case guards, flanges or jet jobs from me, while you are the only one complaining. That is really hollow dude. You've never seen a single item or piece of work I have done and you complain, and people that buy one, buy more ... OK I hear complaints too, and I do somehting about it, like fix or replace or refund but its few and far between ... so what do I do about your complaining ... Nothing. I am far more ctirical of my work than anyone else can be, and people invariably are blind to their own mistakes, whihc is why I look at everyone's complaints very seriously and use it to re engineer/re think/ re work my process and yours just has nothing in it to guide me ...
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things break in crashes *shrug*
i myself am very confident that srinath would back any of his work and amend problems with any product he sends out ...
It broke a particular way ... where the weld was supposed to be at the break it was showing a sunburst type pattern, where the inside of that sun burst was plain metal with saw marks ... meaning we never got that section of metal fused ... The cure was thinner wall and more bevelling and filling with weld ... an area that loks like a valley or a trench when 2 bevelled parts are fit together ... and we get it filled with weld, getting that area hot enough to fuse it all the way through ...
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Well even with all the comments I have seen on the forums I still ante'd up my money and ordered a set of bars. Why you may ask?
1. Accidents happen and things break in accidents, Its just something that happens. Are you going to complain to Suzuki when the front headlight also breaks in a crash? No I dont think so.
2. He was straight up a honest with all the people he made bars for. When he noticed a problem he recalled them all when he could of just said you bought it as it and left it at that. Look at how long it took Firestone to admit when they made a faulty product and how many people died from that!
3. After looking at the bars they look to be much better quality than half the aftermarket bars out there. I recently bought some drag bars that dont look like they have half the workmanship srinath's bars have. I trust his more than those that I have currently on my bike.
4. Life is not without its risks. Just as the brit SAS say "he who dares wins"
I think everyone who keeps edging this topic alone needs to leave it alone. If you dont like or trust the bars don't buy them. Nobody is forcing you to buy them, nobody forced me to.
Don't mean to dogpile on aplitz, but I feel that Srianth has stood and will continue to stand behind his work, I'm honestly not really worried about getting lemon parts from him. Besides, he's definitely gone beyond the alpha stage of development on his bars, I'm sure he's got the whole gig down and his next batches will be problem-free. "Live and learn", that's the saying, right? :dunno:
Sorry I missed the boat on your latest bars Srianth, I'm just having trouble with my valves right now and got distracted from putting goodies on my bike. Also, I've never ordered from you before and I don't have PayPal (I let my account expire)... just because I haven't used it in a year or so. So, if you PM me with the particulars of when your next batch of bars will be done and how to order I will be happy to get the ball rolling. Ride safe...
I should start on it tommorow, today my welder had the saw tied up making theft proof window bars for some photo processing shop guy ... he said he'd finish up by midnight and Tommorow I can ... He's installing tommorow, and some guy is comming by to pick up a big steel railing he was working on all last week, so I get shop time (un supervised) and help him by letting the guy pick up and pay ... whoo hooooo :lol:
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Yeah, stuff breaks in crashes, that is inevitable. Snapping off while cruzing in a parking lot? Not normal, and utterly unacceptable. Srinath continues to pass the incudents off as learning experiences. When they could have just as easily been someone's demise.
I have done extensive welding, and the only one that ever broke as when my boss forced me to weld a seam in a manner I was directly opposed to. Welds should never break, the metal should bend first.
Srinath has showed poor understanding of what is required to make good welds, and the 'professionals' that actually do the welding should have their certificates revoked. To have a weld fail like that, and still call oneself a welder is reprehensible.
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After looking at the bars they look to be much better quality than half the aftermarket bars out there. I recently bought some drag bars that dont look like they have half the workmanship srinath's bars have. I trust his more than those that I have currently on my bike.
One bar 'looking' better quality over another is a poor peramiter. I'm sure Srinath's failed bars looked fine prior to the incident, the problem is undetectable with the naked eye.
This whole defense thing is just nonsense. We as a community would have collectively hung Dunlop (or any other manufacturer) if their tires (or any vital product) blew out at speed and they claimed some teething issues, then just continued making tires without acknowledging their past failures.
I realize that this is holding Srinath to a higher standard, but due to our proximity we have to be careful. We make friendships here easily on GST, and one loss would be too many.
A friend on another board (car focused) that I frequent, similar in many ways to GST, was killed in a car accident, and the whole community was devistated. Now imagine that it was someone's homemade trailing arm failed causing the wreck. That makes things different.
People can do what they want. Ride with whatever gear you feel works, but I will continue to fill in the gap when disclosure is forgotten.
To defend srinath, the weld on these bars that I received are great. I have no regrets having these bars on my bike. On another note, after riding with these for a couple of hours this weekend, deffinitely need to get use to them, but I love em. I'm 5'8", anyone shorter that this may feel that they have to reach pretty far forward. These would be perfect for the taller people who want the sportbike feel.
Thanks again srinath.
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This whole defense thing is just nonsense. We as a community would have collectively hung Dunlop (or any other manufacturer) if their tires (or any vital product) blew out at speed and they claimed some teething issues, then just continued making tires without acknowledging their past failures.
I realize that this is holding Srinath to a higher standard, but due to our proximity we have to be careful. We make friendships here easily on GST, and one loss would be too many.
A friend on another board (car focused) that I frequent, similar in many ways to GST, was killed in a car accident, and the whole community was devistated. Now imagine that it was someone's homemade trailing arm failed causing the wreck. That makes things different.
People can do what they want. Ride with whatever gear you feel works, but I will continue to fill in the gap when disclosure is forgotten.
Aplitz - What do you suggest I do ...
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I think he would have you stop making handle bars.
Going on two years. Maybe Ford should include a disclaimer on all their cars: "We had some Pintos explode in the '70's, just thought you should know." Or GM: "We used to put the gas tanks outside the frame on these trucks but not any more."
If the design flaw has been corrected, then why keep beating this horse? Doesn't matter to me. I've got an '89 that was born with the nicest little clip-ons.
Srianth, you need to staple a big sign to your forehead saying "I suck at welding because I goofed up on a batch of handlebars a while back", and anytime you do or supervise manufacture of metalwork for the remainder of your life, you need to disclose every flawed piece of work you ever manufactured to all your potential customers. Make a list and photocopy it. Come on, what's your problem? :mrgreen:
As for me, I'll take a set of those bars. I live dangerously. How's the current batch coming along? 8)
OK then Since I haven't heard anyhting more from aplitz ... I guess the disclosure is what he's looking for ... or maybe he's not checked back into this thread.
In any case, no one has emailed me about not wanting the bars, so the 3 I got are going to the 3 that first ordered (you know who you are and OK tommorow morning EST 9am is the deadline for a cancel if you need to). I have few more cut, some of which will be bent in the testing ... so prolly have 3 or more, I'll send it to powdercoat and have it ready to go Thursday.
So I guess this topic is closed, till I start selling handle bars again I guess.
BTW the anamolies in commercial metal ... This is insane ...
My new 89 broke 2 header bolts ... the 2 lower ones, one was broken almost flush with the motor, the other about 3 threads out. I start drilling and extracting and tapping etc ... the one that broke flush went in about 3-5 mins of drilling and I got the taps out and cleaned up the threads and its now taking the original 8mm bolt albeit with the first 3 threads chewed up ... OK the other one ... I drilled it for hours, breaking several drill bits and my arms and chest, and ruined a set of extractors from sears and ... my lefties made no mark on these, neither did the dewalts I had, ... nothing ... till I used the titanium coated Costco 150 or whatever drill set ... you know one that's got all the numbered and the lettered drills as well as the 1/64th ... They did the job but it was neither fast nor easy ... and I drilled the bolt very much center in ... eventually I got it all drilled and have 5/16 helicoil in it ... BUT WTF ... one bolt is cheese, the other bolt is from hell ... Not hiding in that excuse, the steel was fine ... we just didn't weld it well, and ground off what we did weld when the bars broke. Its just an anecdote. I bend and test a few bars in every lot I make, whihc is why I ended up making so many more for the 6 I wanted to make for the SV people.
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If the design flaw has been corrected, then why keep beating this horse? Doesn't matter to me. I've got an '89 that was born with the nicest little clip-ons.
The problem is not a design flaw, rather a failure to correctly weld a joint. It is my understanding that the same welder is doing the current bars. How could a 'professional' so completely botch a simple weld job? I would no longer trust their work, there are some failures too huge to forget.
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Going on two years. Maybe Ford should include a disclaimer on all their cars: "We had some Pintos explode in the '70's, just thought you should know." Or GM: "We used to put the gas tanks outside the frame on these trucks but not any more."
If the design flaw has been corrected, then why keep beating this horse? Doesn't matter to me. I've got an '89 that was born with the nicest little clip-ons.
Actually, I would like to see them have long lasting ramifications for terrible feats of engineering. Especially Ford/Firestone and Chevy for those gas tanks. For the most part, people are aware of these well-publicised atrocities. Here on GST we have a huge turnover rate due to the beginner nature of the GS. Many people here now were not around when this all went down. They might think, 'Wow, great price on a set of bars.' Without realizing that they are being made by someone who has had problems with metalurgy in the past, that could have ended someone's life.
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If the design flaw has been corrected, then why keep beating this horse? Doesn't matter to me. I've got an '89 that was born with the nicest little clip-ons.
The problem is not a design flaw, rather a failure to correctly weld a joint. It is my understanding that the same welder is doing the current bars. How could a 'professional' so completely botch a simple weld job? I would no longer trust their work, there are some failures too huge to forget.
Its that + wrong material choice ... 3/16th wall with a tight fit on the parts would need some serious bevelling, I wasn't aware of that, and he's used to welding gates and doors and rainings where he has access to all sides ... of the item ... And yea he's not a very experienced automotive welder ... after this happened, I found a guy who was a much better welder and got more ideas from him and had my guy talk to him as well. Hence the idea to go thinner tubing more bevelling and the rod insert and plug weld idea. That whole 3/16th was a wrong choice. Thicker is better ... not ... 1/8th is plenty thick, rod insert or not and we improved our jigs and bevelling etc to be more certain. And believe it or not, there have been more crashes, mercdude and one guy in Florida I forget who ... where the bars weren't even damaged after direct impact. Not trusting someone takes more than not knowing how best to do somehitng. he didn't wiggle out, he didnt start acting flaky when I told him the bars are breaking ... he re welded them all after figuring out better ways to do it all free ... Listen, I wish it never had happened to and its really awful ... but get this straight. The first one broke in a crash into a truck ... I recalled them all ... I talked to my welder before that and he said bring them back ... he knew it was hit by a truck, nothign can be expected to survive ... he at once put the users safety into highest priority, The recall was out loud and clear and I had hit everyone with PM's too within hours of the first crash notice. The breaking happened over a month later. In under a week I had swap out replacements ready to go with rods inserted in and plug welded ... get your facts straight ... He waited a month+ and then had the break happen. In reality ... recall notices are to be viewed at very seriously ...
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In the past you have told me to get the facts straight. I know what happened, its been explained. I thought we agreed that no weld should break at all. The weld should be so strong that it just bends the whole bar. I don't car if it ocurred in contact with a truck, the fact that it broke means that its brittle nature probably would have reared its head in time.
As far as desing flaw goes. Your original thickness of bar could have correctly been welded. The problem was not so much design as technique. Who cares if you talked to some other welder? You are not doing the welding, so how could that really help? Third hand information at best. The last time we went over this you did not even know what a plug weld was until I described it, not exactly reassuring.
I dn't care if you continue to produce, your conscience is not my concern, but the uninitiated do not deserve to be maimed by the ill welds of a man with inadequate experience/skills.
okay, in a nut shell u just got GSTWINS behind the scene: srinath's bars. You know the story, chose. Buy his products or not. i think it this point its a dead issue. Yes, things could have happened but he took the necessary steps to recall the bars while making the new design stronger. Sounds like this guy is running for office or something :roll: :dunno:
Quote from: aplitzIn the past you have told me to get the facts straight. I know what happened, its been explained. I thought we agreed that no weld should break at all. The weld should be so strong that it just bends the whole bar. I don't car if it ocurred in contact with a truck, the fact that it broke means that its brittle nature probably would have reared its head in time.
As far as desing flaw goes. Your original thickness of bar could have correctly been welded. The problem was not so much design as technique. Who cares if you talked to some other welder? You are doing the welding, so how could that really help? Third hand information at best. The last time we went over this you did not even know what a plug weld was until I described it, not exactly reassuring.
I dn't care if you continue to produce, your conscience is not my concern, but the uninitiated do not deserve to be maimed by the ill welds of a man with inadequate experience/skills.
Once again ... get your facts straight ... weld shouldn't break yes. Agreed, accident or not. True.
I am not doing the welding, I have a welder (a person) that was/is. We had to talk to another welder (another person) for some details on his machine and what setup, wire thickness and I dont know what else exactly ... That guy also told me to bevel it well into a hollow point look ... and I didn't know it was called plug welding ... I knew what were were doing, how and why ... The name - heck who cares. I am not a welder and have not ever tried or passed off as one here or anywhere else.
The un initiated - OK I'll post a sticky with disclaminer/warning. bars - Buy at your risk. OK happy. And link it to this thread.
Also the 3/16 bar ... ironically we never got that bar in over 2+ dozen attempts of welding them ... we never had one instance where it didn't break at the weld. Not 1. The bar was so super thick ... a 10 foot pole over it and with tremendous force and it will break with a good deep "Dooonk" noise ... and we always saw metal with saw marks at the break. 1/8th wall ... we got the welds to stay and the metal next to the weld to break/tear/bend at the first try ... Simply put ... we never figured oot how to ... if you can do it and show me. 7/8th OD 3/16th wall DOM tubing cut into a 30 degree bevel and flipped over to make a 120 degree sharp bend ... No theory, I'd have to see pics. We dont believe its possible because to bend or deform, the tubing will ahve to change shape near the weld from a circle to an ovalish, and this tubing is faaar too thick and strong to do that.
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http://www.gstwins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=2&pos=184
The last surviving test bar from the batch of 4 welds ... These incluse Tdan and the 3 I have going to people right now. I had 2 more test bars bent and twisted into some serious pretzels ... but threw it away after the SV guys took it.
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Oh I forgot - the front to back test not always broke at the weld on 3/16th, but back to front ... always at the weld. BTW back to front is the direction for braking and riders weight on the bar ... always breaks at the weld.
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Sounds like this guy is running for office or something :roll: :dunno:
Dont say that ... that's what makes him really mad.
He forgets that there are significant numbers of people here that own welders and weld as a hobby or semi professionally ... some of who have bought bars or other stuff from me and haven't thought they were bad.
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Excuse me for being stupid... but what relevance does that link to a picture have? are those ur bars in action? Just curious.
That pic is a test bar, we put it in a vice and put a 10 foot pole over the free end and bend till it fails ... then we bend it the other way ... then we clamp it at the other end and repeat ... till we're bored or the bar breaks/twists ito a pretzel ... Its supposed to bend near the welds and bend quite a bit ... which this bar did ... we can bend it more till it starts to tear and I did that with a few others ... just this I didn't ... I'll be doing more and putting up pics ... and that will never be allowed to happen on a bike ... you'd start hitting stuff ... tank, frame, headlights etc long before you get anywhere near this.
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OK Orders that were made couple days ago are getting sent in the next 1/2 hour ...
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So, some bars broke a couple of years ago. How many have you done since then, and have any of those broke. The ones I have look great and are very strong, I have no regrets. Ok, so your bars bent when you put a big pole on it, grab some stock bars and try the same thing, will they bend too, I guarantee they will. You've stated enough srinath, let's cut all this tard farm BS.
Quote from: seshadri_srinathThat pic is a test bar, we put it in a vice and put a 10 foot pole over the free end and bend till it fails ... then we bend it the other way ... then we clamp it at the other end and repeat ... till we're bored or the bar breaks/twists ito a pretzel ... Its supposed to bend near the welds and bend quite a bit ... which this bar did ... we can bend it more till it starts to tear and I did that with a few others ... just this I didn't ... I'll be doing more and putting up pics ... and that will never be allowed to happen on a bike ... you'd start hitting stuff ... tank, frame, headlights etc long before you get anywhere near this.
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Cool. I just saw a dude doing a wheelie :/ and had no idea what was going on... :dunno:
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Sounds like this guy is running for office or something :roll: :dunno:
Dont say that ... that's what makes him really mad.
He forgets that there are significant numbers of people here that own welders and weld as a hobby or semi professionally ... some of who have bought bars or other stuff from me and haven't thought they were bad.
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Is Aplitz the guy that always gives you crap about saying you don't always need to use "metric" bolts?
this is getting kinda ridiculous
1. april - sri is not a full fledge business, therefore accountability is in limbo. at least he gives good customer service to the people he deals with. granted he had some bars fail in the earlier stages, i think people willing to give him a second chance are perfectly in their right to do so.
2. sri - you do need to put some sort of disclaimer when selling products, specially ones that are hand made/welded, etc, to CYA. much like in a pool where there's no lifeguard, present, people swim at their own risk.
i've bought things from sri before and never had problems;however, i did so knowing that if it breaks, i don't have a "company" to Buddha Loves You at etc and that i bought it at my own accord.
I believe people here are mature enough to know that when they buy things from an individual, they know what they're getting into.
IMO, when buying things over the web, you do your own research. Last time i checked all references to sri's bars are still on this site as far as failure, success, etc. Let people make their own decisions, there's no need to persuade them to buy or not to buy a product. This whole argument is being handled like a 10 yr old fight. its ridiculous.
2x post. :nana:
Back in the '60s, when I started riding, bars like that were refered to as "clubman's". (For club racer, I suppose). The racer types mounted them inverted to enable the "crouch position" without the hassle of dismanteling the forks to fit "clip-ons". Some of the chopper guys fitted them in the "up" position, sometimes with "dogbones" and called them "z" bars. Here we are, 40 years later, and everything "old" is "new" again.
Well mine are clubmans's wihtout the drop/rise ... they have like a 4-5 inch drop usually ... mine are flat. Also clubmans are over 12 inches wide at the welds ... mine are closer to 9, club man's also have 4-5 inches of forward offset before the bars swing back ... mine are close to 2.5 inches ... so Its clubmans made to fit a GS ... and clubmans's made to fit an SV ... whihc by some weird ass coincidence will fit a 04 ... whoo hooo ... BTW I actually liked the fit on my bars on an SV over the SM's ... SM's were too close to the tank and not far enough forward ... but hey I am 5 ft 10, anyone who's shorter may be more comfy, most of my guys also liked mine, but they were all fairly average to bigger ... so no real surprise there ...
Also I should have these bars on a FZ1 ... looks like they'd fit that like a glove too ...
For comfort and sportiness (Oxymoron ??) nothing like the 2 welds ... but they will hit everyhitng on an 04.
Cool.
Srinath.
Just placed my order :)
Got mine today and installed. First mod.
Please ignore the pollen. Fact of life in NC.
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New ones.
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New ones.
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No chance to ride yet, other than aroung the yard. So far so good :)
Have any Trouble dave ... especially with the dia of the bar and controls going on and feeling a bit loose ... I used smaller OD tubing in those hoping that the few 100th's the powdercoat adds will leave it at the right dia ... cos the 7/8th was too thick and made the bars faaar too thick after coating ... Nothing I fit it on gave any trouble, but my old bike did ... its controls were prolly worn out from the years it sat on the bike and the many remove/refit's ...
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Srinath.
Everything fit tight. Only thing I had to do was drill holes for the controls and Dremel out the ends for the bar ends. Damn I hate trying to put bar ends on.
Thanks, Dave
I didn't drill it for bar ends ??? I dont remember ... Maybe the SV people didn't want them ... Dont remember ... prolly will forget my name one of these daze ...
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Srinath.
They were drilled out, but, just not quite far enough. A little dremel and everything went in.
OK I remember ... you are supposed to hand sand the bushing end of the weight, not turn the bar out bigger ... bar thickness = strength ... Besides easier to mangle aluminium than steel ... :lol:
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Srinath.
Got mine today, but they are supposed to be my aninversary present (which is Thursday) so my wife told me I could put them on tonight and not ride the bike until Thursday or wait to put them until after our anniversary.
Needless to say they are sitting in the garage now, waiting anxiously to be put on the bike. I couldn't go a whole week without riding it....lol
I was wondering if that 4th set of bars was sold yet, if not I would like to get one. I tried to do something like that by rotating my stock bar toward me and it worked fine except for one little thing, I'm I turn my bar too far to the left, the horn honks, and the bars don't lock anymore so I am always worried about my bike walking off.
erick
yo tdan (shane)...check your front brake line...i see a huge kink on it...
Quote from: erijinI was wondering if that 4th set of bars was sold yet, if not I would like to get one. I tried to do something like that by rotating my stock bar toward me and it worked fine except for one little thing, I'm I turn my bar too far to the left, the horn honks, and the bars don't lock anymore so I am always worried about my bike walking off.
erick
4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th are available ...
Now I fitted one on my 89 ... I cannot iomagine how the controls etc aren't freaking loose ... not on the damn SV's and not on 04's ... they were loose as heck on my 89 ... in anycase, if loose put a swatch of duct tape or tin foil under ... Better than sanding the bar like my 2 welds I guess ...
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Srinath.
Brake line is fine, I adjusted it.
Hey sinrath, I want a set of those bars for my 04, contact me with info please.
OK those that sent $$$ are covered, as is anyone waiting for flange to be done to get it shipped together ... but I am out of these now ...
I can make more of course ... and preorder only maybe and after I get flanges done and maybe after the case guards ...
In any case ... Any changes you like ...
1. Larger dia tubing ... Maybe not cos these fit fine and you can use duct tape or tin foil if its not tight ...
2. Maybe eliminate a pair of welds ... the inner ones can be bent into position ... 120 degree ...
3. Insert rod in the weld ... maybe difficult in the 90 degree weld this has ... The other was closer to 135 ...
4. Make them from SS (Cost $80-90 for thinner wall SS and of course you save $5 :thumb: powdercoating ...
5. What else ...
I will make sure the pieces and angles and locations are the same ... I'll use the same jig ...
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Srinath.
Got them on today and they look good!!! Did have a little trouble with the left side bars getting the handlegrip and clutch to tighten down so they weren't loose. I used a little fabric type tape and it did they job. I also had to dremel in the inside of the bars and the bar end rubber to make the bar ends fit. Well worth the trouble they look at feel great.
Another satisfied Srinath Customer !!! All i need now is my flange so I can put on my WileyCo.
I would have included pics but Daveo's and mine would have been identical (blue GS500F)
Quote from: VenomGot them on today and they look good!!! Did have a little trouble with the left side bars getting the handlegrip and clutch to tighten down so they weren't loose. I used a little fabric type tape and it did they job. I also had to dremel in the inside of the bars and the bar end rubber to make the bar ends fit. Well worth the trouble they look at feel great.
Another satisfied Srinath Customer !!! All i need now is my flange so I can put on my WileyCo.
I would have included pics but Daveo's and mine would have been identical (blue GS500F)
OK finally someone had the fittings loose ... I thought I was going crazy ... and Yea any tape will work great ... I really dont like them being loose, I also dont like the other bars getting so thick they are insanely fat and near about kill you sanding it to fit the controls ... so What am I to do ... rock and a hard place ... Buy .88 inch and they are faaar too fat after powder, buy .86 and occassionally its too thin after powder ... I guess I should buy .87 ... no one has .87 ... No clue ... maybe I should use .88 but mask off the parts like the stock bars are ... Maybe that's next best option ...
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Srinath.
Likewise.. today i put my bars on, I had the worst trouble getting the grip on the leftside of the old bar off... i said screw and it cut it halfway, just to have something to use... I'm not even sure how to get another NEW one on the new bar. Beisdes that one set-back, everything was smooth, and fits great. OMG it feels like a new bike :)
Thanks again!
(if anyone wants to tell me how to get a new grip on... feel free to reply or PM me.)
Matt
That grip is the hardest ... getting off, but new one back on is easy ...
To get it off ... I typically shove the red tube from a wd 40 can and shoot WD 40 in it ... then gripping the 2 ends of it ... I squeeze them together ... then pull apart, then together ... then apart ... repeat till it feels very well loose ... then push it out by gripping the part near the switches ... not pull it with the end near the outer side ... Having said that ... not too often it doesn't work ... Then razor blade ... ironically getting a new one on is easy ... smear rubber cement and while its still wettish ... push it on the bar with the outer end againat your palm ... and grip it and squeeze and rotate it and get the glue all over inside it ... wipe off excess and its on there like the devil ...
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Srinath.
Quote from: seshadri_srinathThat grip is the hardest ... getting off, but new one back on is easy ...
To get it off ... I typically shove the red tube from a wd 40 can and shoot WD 40 in it ... then gripping the 2 ends of it ... I squeeze them together ... then pull apart, then together ... then apart ... repeat till it feels very well loose ... then push it out by gripping the part near the switches ... not pull it with the end near the outer side ... Having said that ... not too often it doesn't work ... Then razor blade ... ironically getting a new one on is easy ... smear rubber cement and while its still wettish ... push it on the bar with the outer end againat your palm ... and grip it and squeeze and rotate it and get the glue all over inside it ... wipe off excess and its on there like the devil ...
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Srinath.
easiest solution from me was to make an opening between the grip and bar and spray water. . .do this all around and it saves you so much time and effort
cheers,
joel
I might be interested in a set of the handle bars for my 04 GS.
What would be the price and waiting period?
I am all out ... I may make more after flanges are done ... So it be next week before any get started ... $40 is the $$. I'll probably get them next week and will ahve to get them powdercoated etc ... so 2 weeks from now earliest ...
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Srinath.
$40 include the shipping?
Can they be powdercoated other colors?
Quote from: Blazinjr$40 include the shipping?
Can they be powdercoated other colors?
$40 + shipping and paypal ...
Other colors ... maybe, but it may cost more, may be a longer wait, and pick a regular color or it wont ever get done (like pick Chartreuse - and He'll call me ghey) and dont hope for a color match to something else ... cos its always a big gamble trying to match it ...
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Srinath.
Quote from: seshadri_srinath(like pick Chartreuse - and He'll call me ghey)
HAHA, i should have picked dandilion, LOL.
Got my bars today, they are sweet! The actual bar clamps tightened down OK but had to use some tape under the switch housings and lever clamps to get them to tighten down snug. Broke one of the damn bolts for the front brake clamp by over-tightening :x ...put a little too much tape there. Think I am going tu use foil under the lever mounts since it won't squash down and they will feel more secure. Bars feel great though, body leaned over a little more which was what I wanted. Can't wait to get that bolt and try them out! :thumb:
Oy ... over tightening ... I hate that ... so much I tend to leave them loose :x
Anyway I'll go to a larger diameter for next lot ...
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Srinath.
OK this thread has pics. 1 week after I do flanges, whihc will be this weekend ...
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Srinath.
Srinath, I'd like to order a set of your handlebars for my 'E' whenever you have some made. I have a paypal account just let
me know when they're made :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
thanks,
Tyler
For an E ... you'd be better off with 2 weld ... whihc I probably have ... OK I said I didn't ... but its prolly buried somewhere I gotta find it ...
Flanges are eating my head at this point ... The bike I had them fitted to had no foot peg carriers ... like an Idiot I didn't correctly guess where the foot pegs will be and might ahve some welded up wrong ... lets see ... I have a few extras made ... Hopefully I dont lose the entire 20 or so ...
Meanwhile muffler shop is still making some more ... 20 or so bent pipe pieces ... and My welder is out on a job ... so I am like screwed ...
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Srinath.
Well hey, If you find those bars and you wanna sell them, lemme know, cause
I could use em'. Thanks srinath :thumb:
Tyler
I just saw some pics of the bars last night, they really look sweet, please let me know if you make another run or have any left I'd really like a set for my 05 F. Let me know, I have a paypal account.
will those fit a gs500e?
Srinath,
I would like to buy some handlebar for my 96 GS500E. you suggested 2 weld. If you get any more made or find more, I'm definitely interested
Srin,
I'm interested in some 4-welds for my SV.....could I get them either in the matching copper for my bike or gold.....I've got a gold colour scheme on my bike.....
cool.
devon
Yea ... no ... I mean out of 4 weld ... OK not if some of the ones that wanted them dont pay up ... but as of now ... its locked up ...
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Srinath.
well....if something happens...let me know....
I wouldn't mind a set in black for my '04 GS. The SM knockoffs look GREAT, by the way.
If you ever make any more of the actual old style 4 weld bars let me know. I really like the looks of the original style over the ones you sent me.
Quote from: BlazinjrIf you ever make any more of the actual old style 4 weld bars let me know. I really like the looks of the original style over the ones you sent me.
OK great ... These also had more failures ... I'll prolly make a few in a week or 2 ... true 4 welds then ... OK ... If I stay unemployed for long I better crank up the parts factory ... else I'll go bust in a hurry ...
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Srinath.
I'd like some, too, when they're available. Anything to get my 6-foot-5 body down out of the wind.
interested in a set of 2weld for a 98 gs500e. if you have any around will pay today. i have clipons under the triple and that is WAY to far over for the street.
I need to get to my scavenge pile, not been able to get to it in 3 weeks ... wife and baby are back y'know ... and even then they may not be worth saving. Now I will get to making them in a few months. I wanna do case guards next. But again ... no time.
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Srinath.
I would definately be interested in a bar and case guards
(seeing how much damage was done on a 30mph wipeout i'll be putting 'em on every bike i own)
I think I would have to echo that statement.
If you start making bars again please let us know!
Quote from: dbarileI think I would have to echo that statement.
If you start making bars again please let us know!
sup,man. Im right up the street from you. Once i get mine back together, we'll have to get up for a ride :thumb:
Sounds good...
...but I warn you I drive slow...
Any possibility of getting some of these?....huh?
WOW are these the SM2 knockoffs Budda?
I want oneeeeeeee...whats difference between the 2 weld and 4 weld???
The 4 weld looks farther, I like it
01 and later you need these 4 weld. I am making them as soon as my welder figures out how to program a band saw. Matter of fact I think I am just drunk enough and prolly he would be too, for me to call him and read out some worthless code to him.
As for how they fit vs the 2 weld. The 2 weld will almost hit the tank. You'd definetly crush your thumbs.
If you dont have ~2 inches room, its not right. Just think of what could happen if you crash and bend the damn bars. Yea you'd clobber the tank. OK fine its unavoidable in a crash, but not on a simple drop. The 4 welds are what I'd make for a 01+. Besides we have to reseal our bender so we can bend stuff, so no mo 2 welds till then. 4 welds fit a 90-00 great as well. I dont like them cos they are not like a glove fit on the 90-00. That's all.
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Buddha.
Quote from: The Buddha on January 21, 2009, 06:39:47 PM
01 and later you need these 4 weld. I am making them as soon as my welder figures out how to program a band saw. Matter of fact I think I am just drunk enough and prolly he would be too, for me to call him and read out some worthless code to him.
As for how they fit vs the 2 weld. The 2 weld will almost hit the tank. You'd definetly crush your thumbs.
If you dont have ~2 inches room, its not right. Just think of what could happen if you crash and bend the damn bars. Yea you'd clobber the tank. OK fine its unavoidable in a crash, but not on a simple drop. The 4 welds are what I'd make for a 01+. Besides we have to reseal our bender so we can bend stuff, so no mo 2 welds till then. 4 welds fit a 90-00 great as well. I dont like them cos they are not like a glove fit on the 90-00. That's all.
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Buddha.
Yeah, now that I have a second '94, I'd be very interested in another set of 2 welds when you fix your bender... The new bike could also use some Buddha case guards like the old one...
Wow. Old thread.
Those bars are dope.
"Those bars are dope." What do you mean by that?
Buddha, are the 4welds wider? How wide are they?.........are they like the SM2's?
Can you give me the full specs so I can measure and see what I would possibly be dealing with?
Width:
Pullback:
Center of bar Width:
Length of bar for grips:
And they 0 with the top triples right?
QuoteThey could be shortened a little, and everything could be moved inward 1/2" to 3/4",
I think they should be shortened more...all that empty space ON the bar, thats too much (from the end of the turn signal device to the top of the center area)
If I received them like that I would cut some more from each side to make the narrower a bit more
I'm pretty interested in some 2 welds for my 93' If you get around to it Buddha. are they still the same price?
OK guys even the 4 weld thing is going slow. 2 welds are further down my list.
I will make case savers after the bars but they will be a different design from before, that case guard also needed serious bending power.
I will have to start on them shortly after getting bars done. Problem is, I have to make atleast 25 or so of those. Now I have 5 bikes so I can count myself in for 5, I have had some commitments but I have had a lot of requests for pics. I will get 4 welds done, but past that I may not be makign bars till other stuff is dont and out. Fixing the bender isn't no picnic.
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Buddha.
I hope you got my in the 5....as for the 20 remaining, lez go people time to upgrade those bars! :technical: : P
Sorry wait a sec here ... case guards have a minimum number I have to make, I am not fabbing by hand like I did the pervious versions.
Handlebars are hand made for the most part, my welder has a digital band saw he wants to program @ work, though I am really thinking we should cut these by hand and jig em and weld. Either way, handlebars are restricted by the amount of steel I have, I have enough to make 3-4 now, and once these are out and orders come through, I can make a few at a time. 20ft =5 bars. So I dont see a problem with too few numbers. I always sell them after the things are made. That's why I dont have any lying about.
Case guards are completely different. My design this time and for future will not be so much hand made. I dont live in nascar country for nothing ... that absolutely needs a 25 order lot at a minimum.
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Buddha.
vorBH: I mean those bars look very nice.
Ok I see I got it wrong....I got your email about the prototype...so I can expect to have it soon right? (As the 3-4 you can make initially) Anyways, we're in communication by email, let me know through there...thanks :thumb:
hey vorBH just out of curiosity how old are you?
His profile says 22
Quote from: mach1 on February 07, 2009, 08:42:48 PM
hey vorBH just out of curiosity how old are you?
I don't get it, why are you asking this?
I was wondering the same.
My assumption would be because you didn't know the slang dope? :dunno_white: just a guess but all I got for you!
Nick
I don't know what it is, or if it is anything...thanks for confusing us mach1! :bs: lol
Back on topic....bars!
any bars for an 06F, if not how long u thinking
:woohoo: I did my job. =ohh wait that post was in feb sory a bit late not sure if your even still posting seeong as nebs dont last