Title: "HOW TO" adjusting valve shims.
Post by: Altruism111 on May 09, 2005, 11:38:54 AM
Post by: Altruism111 on May 09, 2005, 11:38:54 AM
I know Marc in the "How to" section explains how to adjust the valves but I found this on the web which really helped me in the understanding of exactly how it is done. Thought I would share the knowledge.
:thumb: :cheers: :thumb:
http://www.surenet.net/~verhey/Valve_adjustment/page1.html
(I know the link says its for Yamaha but its all the same principal.)
:thumb: :cheers: :thumb:
http://www.surenet.net/~verhey/Valve_adjustment/page1.html
(I know the link says its for Yamaha but its all the same principal.)
Title: "HOW TO" adjusting valve shims.
Post by: gazingwa on May 09, 2005, 11:43:25 AM
Post by: gazingwa on May 09, 2005, 11:43:25 AM
Found what... you posted no link
Edit: Thanks... thats better
Edit: Thanks... thats better
Title: "HOW TO" adjusting valve shims.
Post by: Eklipse on May 09, 2005, 01:59:34 PM
Post by: Eklipse on May 09, 2005, 01:59:34 PM
I just dropped mine off at the stealer to get that done. The valves were making noise.
Title: "HOW TO" adjusting valve shims.
Post by: Altruism111 on May 09, 2005, 02:09:15 PM
Post by: Altruism111 on May 09, 2005, 02:09:15 PM
As I have said before. "DAMN SHIMS" :x
Title: "HOW TO" adjusting valve shims.
Post by: raylarrabee on May 09, 2005, 05:54:40 PM
Post by: raylarrabee on May 09, 2005, 05:54:40 PM
the valve kits that are floating around (see sticky thread in General forum) has a CD-ROM with a great video tutorial that Kerry put together.
Title: "HOW TO" adjusting valve shims.
Post by: Blueknyt on May 09, 2005, 05:56:59 PM
Post by: Blueknyt on May 09, 2005, 05:56:59 PM
yeah, but the yamaha tool wont work on suzuki, i know as i have a Yamaha XJ and the tool used. thats how i used my home made hook. turned cam compressing the valve, inserted the tool then rotated the cam back to give me room to replace the shim. i ground an 11/16 wrench to do the job.
Title: "HOW TO" adjusting valve shims.
Post by: Kerry on May 09, 2005, 06:37:19 PM
Post by: Kerry on May 09, 2005, 06:37:19 PM
Quote from: Blueknyti ground an 11/16 wrench to do the job.Then you're the man I want to talk to! :)
What shape ended up working for you? In the past I have guessed that, after finding the right-sized wrench, one would chop it off like this before shaping. Is this necessary? :dunno:
Besides any cutting (or major grinding), what kind of "fine" grinding did you do?
Flatten the bottom and sides? Anything to the inside curve?
Title: "HOW TO" adjusting valve shims.
Post by: Blueknyt on May 09, 2005, 11:03:52 PM
Post by: Blueknyt on May 09, 2005, 11:03:52 PM
its really close, i used 11/16 as i had like 7 of them in my box. the purple is what i cut and ground for fit. the red i kinda ground the center out of leaving edges to help hold the tool on the bucket better.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v315/blueknyt/ValveTool2.gif)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v315/blueknyt/ValveTool2.gif)
Title: What do you think about disassembling camshaft supports?
Post by: marc on May 10, 2005, 03:02:55 AM
Post by: marc on May 10, 2005, 03:02:55 AM
What do you think about disassembling camshaft supports?
I do not have the tool, instead I disassemble camshaft supports and remove the shims easily.
Mechanical gurus: Do you think this is a good practice?
I do the valve job each 10.000Km.... and I needed a replacement
shim only once.
About the howto... I know that it only shows how to measure,
and does not cover the camshaft disassembly. I'n not sure
if it will be soon, but I need a camshaft chain replacement and
will make another howto.
Marc.
I do not have the tool, instead I disassemble camshaft supports and remove the shims easily.
Mechanical gurus: Do you think this is a good practice?
I do the valve job each 10.000Km.... and I needed a replacement
shim only once.
About the howto... I know that it only shows how to measure,
and does not cover the camshaft disassembly. I'n not sure
if it will be soon, but I need a camshaft chain replacement and
will make another howto.
Marc.
Title: "HOW TO" adjusting valve shims.
Post by: nisus1 on May 10, 2005, 11:44:13 AM
Post by: nisus1 on May 10, 2005, 11:44:13 AM
i'm curious about the answer to Marc's question too...
Title: "HOW TO" adjusting valve shims.
Post by: Altruism111 on May 10, 2005, 11:58:17 AM
Post by: Altruism111 on May 10, 2005, 11:58:17 AM
Its not a good idea cause you can mess up the timing of the valves if you don't put the cams back in exactly how you took them out. Its really not worth messing up. I myself considered what you want to do. But I will wait for the kit. Much safer!
Title: "HOW TO" adjusting valve shims.
Post by: cheesy on May 10, 2005, 12:22:33 PM
Post by: cheesy on May 10, 2005, 12:22:33 PM
I would worry about the chain coming off the crank gears at the bottom. you can zip tie the chain to the cam gears though
Title: "HOW TO" adjusting valve shims.
Post by: Altruism111 on May 10, 2005, 12:31:14 PM
Post by: Altruism111 on May 10, 2005, 12:31:14 PM
Hey that's a good idea. But we should encourage the proper way of doing it. Ever hear the saying "Use the right tool for the job" You could end up spending a lot more time doing it that way.
:cheers:
:cheers:
Title: "HOW TO" adjusting valve shims.
Post by: Blueknyt on May 10, 2005, 09:53:04 PM
Post by: Blueknyt on May 10, 2005, 09:53:04 PM
ive done it both ways, other then the pain of keeping everything in time, you can messure everything out at one time, write it down, get the correct shims laid out, pop both cams change all the shims at once, replace and retorque the cam blocks, but those damn bolts are so easy to break i just rather use the tool.
Title: A 11/16 wrench is a 17mm one?
Post by: marc on May 11, 2005, 06:01:31 AM
Post by: marc on May 11, 2005, 06:01:31 AM
A 11/16 wrench is a 17mm one, isn't it?
Title: "HOW TO" adjusting valve shims.
Post by: Kerry on May 11, 2005, 09:44:55 AM
Post by: Kerry on May 11, 2005, 09:44:55 AM
11/16" comes out to 17.4625mm
Given all of the grinding, anything from 16mm to 18mm would probably be an OK starting point. (Just guessing.)
Given all of the grinding, anything from 16mm to 18mm would probably be an OK starting point. (Just guessing.)