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It looked like any other 45-50 mph zone *sigh*

my first one....

Ouch!   :o

What did they catch you at?

60 in a 25, no sign going into the really wide corner, i could have easily taken it at 70-80 mph no problem

there was a speed limit sign conveniently placed at the corners exit though

i wasnt even watching my speedo anyway... just hammered it into the corner nice and smooth

im just going to have to learn to respect the speeds some more cause that $300 could have been a trackday with ALOT more corners than just one crappy wide one....

3 words: go to court!

especially if you got any sort of reason (read: excuse).

i'm wondering, how much over were you going?

edit:  like, not having the speedlimit posted is a good excuse :)

it was probably posted somewhere before the turn im sure, regardless i knew i was going over just didnt know how much...

plus i made the mistake of even being on a bike friday night 10-2am

yeah thats when all the crotch rockets come out of the woodwork followed by gumball machines...

lol my friend has a Ninja ZX-6R which eats up 600s, whips 750s and hangs with 1000s, hes got this box that goes over his liscense plate. When its turned on its visable when you turn it off it just fogs over.... yes they sell them at Barney's... :?

whenever he gets flashed he flips the switch and ducks out
insanity? indeed...

re dirve the road to see if ther is a sign posted earlier
if so check if there are other roads that lead to that road after the posted speed sign
they you could use the no posted speed limit excuse

OK, do this...

File a paper to take the ticket by mail, not sure on the name of the paper but you can find it online.

Next, if it doesnt get dismissed that way, file a written appeal, then ask for the records of when the last time that road was surveyd for speed with the necissary info along with that. Also ask to see the ticketing officers printout from his radar gun, also ask to find out when the last time his gun was calibrated.

My moms got some hookups so let me know if you need any more info, ill get you all the legal papers I can.

first off, what kind of road way is it? 1 lane each way? 2 lanes,  median? houses on both sides or businesses?  

most residential roads are 25mph specialy if not posted otherwise.  comercial is 35 if not posted but generaly no more then 45.  residential but kinda outer edge of town is generaly 35 or less. i remember reading this way back when i first got my license, but that was long ago. yeah, speeding fines and points add up really quick.  and insurence goes up and will stay up for 3 years.  even though i went to traffic school with mine it never was the same.

I had a 25-over ticket when I was 17.  My car insurance went up, I think by $500 per 6 months.  That's where the real cost was.

im screwed i went back and there was a speed limit sign before the corner =(

Quote from: Danielyalso ask to find out when the last time his gun was calibrated..

At 40 over, calibration is no longer an issue...
At 4 over, it can be a valid defense.. Honestly, who get s a ticket for 4 over??

My only time to get stopped for speeding was in a school zone in Florida.. Well, it would have been a school zone had it been school hours and the light had been flashing..

This was at 5:30 in the evening and the big @ss cop didnt know that the school zone expires at 3:30..

I got kind of excited because I thought I was going to get to string his @ss up in court.. After I explained to him that it wasn't a school zone he didnt say another word, just went back to his car and left me alone..

Darn.. That could have been fun..

Quote from: '04gs500fim screwed i went back and there was a speed limit sign before the corner =(

Dude..
Since  this is your first offence, the judge will probably make you pay the money, but he will probably allow you to go to traffic school and keep it off your record.. That will keep your insurance from going up..

Its a very "yes sir, no sir" situation..
Go to court dressed in your sunday best and be as polite as possible..

Just admit you made a mistake and most judges admire that..

Faxxxy!

I stick with my first post, let me know if i can help at all.

i appreciate the help, but there is no winning when i was doing 60 in a 25 WITH a posted speed limit sign.

So if i pay the ticket and opt for the dumb corse do i have to show up to court for any reason???

ok so here is what i have done for the 2 tickets i have gotten (not on my motorcycle though).  

I take the ticket to a lwyer and pay about double of the ticket.  The lawyer does his thing and i get 6 months driving probation (meaning i cant get another ticke in 6 months or the first will count).

Even though it is more expensive it saves a lot in the long run because your insurance premium wont go up.  

Good luck.

If I understand Danny's post correctly, since we had a discussion about this very topic with our mutual friend who has been riding his 600RR for about 2 months now, it's not about the actual calibration of the gun/road/whatever other proof you are asking for, it's about piling the paperwork up on the cop so he gets fed up and drops the case.

Good luck with it...your insurance shouldn't go up, I got a 65 in a 35 in my truck racing another truck down the main strip and my insurance is still the same since it was my first.

Same deal with my sister, she has 2 or 3 now, but it didn't count with insurance until her 2nd one.

QuoteHonestly, who get s a ticket for 4 over??

ive see folks ticketed for 17 in a school zone at 8:14 am.

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QuoteHonestly, who get s a ticket for 4 over??

ive see folks ticketed for 17 in a school zone at 8:14 am.

I stand corrected..
This would be a good case of "let me see the calibration on that radar sir"

just go steal the sign, and be like there was no sign......

Quote from: davipujust go steal the sign, and be like there was no sign......

now there is an idea

and as far as the driving shcool goes
i think you can only take it for 1-10 over and you have to go to court to ask the judge if you can take it

OK, its cool if you dont even wanna bother with my offer. However, simply fighting the ticket isnt the goal of submitting a written request. Most likely they will dismiss the ticket, simply because the ticketing also has to submit items in writing as well and will often times just let it go, in which case it will be dismissed. Also, if you were to send in photographs and diagrams and all of the requests for info MK1incali is correct, they will get fed up and dismiss it. If you want to ignore good info and get analy reamed for 300 whatever dollars be my guest. I just offered up the plate, its your choice to partake or not....

you can always go to court and roll the dice that the cop won't show up.  A common method is to get a court date, wait till soon before, and then reschedule.  PO's typically have set days for all their traffic cases, so if you get it rescheduled, you might get one of his days off--PO's hate togo to court on their days off (who can blame them).

You'll likely have to pay extra court costs if you go, he shows and you get  convicted, but at over $300, it's worth a try.  Of course, a case where he busted you going 60 on a bike in a 25 is likely to get the PO's attention, so he'll probably try hard to show up.

sucks anyway you slice it.  :dunno:

Quote from: DanielyOK, its cool if you dont even wanna bother with my offer. However, simply fighting the ticket isnt the goal of submitting a written request. Most likely they will dismiss the ticket, simply because the ticketing also has to submit items in writing as well and will often times just let it go, in which case it will be dismissed. Also, if you were to send in photographs and diagrams and all of the requests for info MK1incali is correct, they will get fed up and dismiss it. If you want to ignore good info and get analy reamed for 300 whatever dollars be my guest. I just offered up the plate, its your choice to partake or not....

im not ignoring your advice, and i do appreciate it, but i really find it hard to believe 60 in a 25 will be dismissed diagrams or not... coud you explain further?

OK, i do not mean they will dismiss every case regardless of the ticket.

WHat happens is you file a paper to take the trial by mail, i believe its a written declaration. When you do this you get not only an extension, but you get to fight yoru case via mail. Youc an send in diagrams, models, pictures, requests for the radar calibration and the last time the road was surveyed for speed. The main goal is to flood them with paper work and hope the cop doesnt reply as well. Since he has to submit his side of the story via mail also.

If they say, ok your still guilty you have to pay a fine and wahtever, you can then file an appeal via mail, or set up another court date.

Its up to you, almost ALL tickets from people i know that have done this (regardless of speed) have been dismissed. If you dont wanna try something thats free to you, and pay 300 + dollars go nuts, its your insurance..

Quote from: davipujust go steal the sign, and be like there was no sign......

haha, I've done that a few times, works good and makes the person who said there was a sign there look stupid. In Canada your first speeding ticket is like 2 "demerit"(don't know if I spelled that correctly) points to your record and can impose on you when going for your N or Class 5.
Now since we have the new law that instead of not being legally allowed to chase a person at speeds over 120km they are now not legally allowed to chase a person at all. They still might follow you for a couple minutes if your going slow but I just take off up a hill if im positive they didn't catch my plate.

04gs500f wrote:

Quoteim not ignoring your advice, and i do appreciate it, but i really find it hard to believe 60 in a 25 will be dismissed diagrams or not... coud you explain further?

this past fall i got charged with reckless driving, unsafe lane change, 95 in a 55, and failure to obey a traffic signal.  i got a lawyer, took it to court, and three months later was only convicted of a 4 point speeding violation.  this happened simply because my lawyer kept filing more motions and the da's office didn't keep up on their end of the paperwork by responding to the motions.  by the time my court date came, the da didn't have a case because he didn't do his homework.  if they tried to convict me of all the charges, my lawyer was going to claim that the da's office violated my constituational right to a fair trial by not responding to the motions.  
the bottom line is courts don't want to waste their time and money battling traffic violations.  probably if you simply show up to court it will be reduced.  every time i have shown up my ticket has been reduced, and i have an awful driving record.  off topic, i've finally stopped speeding :mrgreen:

Daniely's method is sound. the court system is already up to thier necks in paper work. its worth the little bit of effort on your part to keep it off of your insurance and driving record. Like he said, it might even take it going to an appeal but at somepoint they will no longer want the headache your causing and drop it. Really worth looking into.

just .02 from the FNG

Ok, thanks everyone

Daniely how do i go about starting this?

OK first your gonna wanna fill this form out:

http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/forms/fillable/tr205.pdf

Then get it filed at the court (via mail or just go in) BEFORE your court date. While filling in that form, include as many pieces of evidence as you can, fill that envolope FULL, draw diagrams, take pictures, use little bike models for the pictures do everything you can. Then you will recieve a letter int he mail if its eitehr dismissed or if you have to appear. If you have to appear file an appeal with the requests for the info ive listed above (the radar thing and the road being surveyed for speed). Then again, if your appeal is denied and you still have to show up, at least you tried, and you can possibly get traffic school (however you WERE doing 65 in a 25....so you may be SOL regardless.)

Again, its WORTH trying, some time on your part and some money for stamps or would you rather pay 300 bucks, ahve to take traffic school or worse? Your choice.

Jeez, I sure hope this thread isn't used as evidence by the prosecution.  Fairly daming stuff, this.  I'm outta here... :oops:

LOL

hey, he has admitted to doing 65 in the 25, not denying it. We are just tryin to help :).

http://www.ticketassassin.com/

for help.

Daniely, you have overlooked the fact that 04gs500f lives and rides in Florida (according to his profile), not in CA.  I don't think he would get very far with the court if he turned in a CA state traffic pleading form.  In fact, he would just piss off the prosecutor and the judge.

Traffic laws are not uniform--in fact, more so than nearly any other area of the law, traffic laws differ greatly from state to state, as do the procedural ways to fight a ticket.  

In general, using a California law or procedural rule as a model for other jurisdictions is a mistake--CA has all kinds of wacky laws.

You need to find out what is allowed in FL ifyou want to fight it.  For something of this magnitude (the points are gonna KILL your insurance), you might want to talk to an attorney.  Find somebody who specializes in traffic cases.  They should quote you a flat rate and may offer a free initial consultation.  The insurance hit you're gonna take could end up costing you thousands of dollars over the next few years before the points drop off.

Good luck.

Quote from: The_good_guyhttp://www.ticketassassin.com/

for help.

Again, that site is only for CA.  Sure, some of the strategies may work elsewhere, but you can only know which ones will work if you know what procedural options are open to you in FL (or wherever you got the ticket).

Yup, sorry i missed the fact that you live in FL, sorry bro.

i really don't want to go into court, can i request traffic school by mail??

have yo stolen that sign yet?

call the clerk's office at the court in the jurisdiction where you got busted.  They will probably be able to help you figure out what forms, etc. you can send in

Maybe you should invest your money on a radar detector.  :cheers:

Oh and plead no contest!!!!

Take a look at this link and see if maybe it gives you any recourse:

http://www.123driving.com/florida-ticket.shtml

Love the little GS, Florida (especially Ocala), and this forum.

C.......

Quote from: Faxxxy

Quote from: '04gs500fim screwed i went back and there was a speed limit sign before the corner =(

Dude..
Since  this is your first offence, the judge will probably make you pay the money, but he will probably allow you to go to traffic school and keep it off your record.. That will keep your insurance from going up..

Its a very "yes sir, no sir" situation..
Go to court dressed in your sunday best and be as polite as possible..

Just admit you made a mistake and most judges admire that..

Faxxxy!

This is very sound advice. I've been to court several times for varying traffic offenses, and WITHOUT A DOUBT, it'll be reduced if you show up clean-cut, well dressed and respectful. You can't imagine how many people get in there dressed like they just got out of bed, with no semblance of respect for the fact that they're in a court.

In most situations if you fight the charge, they'll offer to let you plead guilty to a lesser offense. It frees up your wallet and their docket. If it's your first, they might offer up "failure to obey a traffic control device" which in NYS won't -> an increase in insurance if you keep your nose clean afterward. irrespective of the specific level of reduction, I would strongly advise fighting the ticket. definitely dress up, and be cordial. I'm sure you'll get it reduced to some degree.

My personal best was leaving a toll plaza that had a speed limit change afterward from 65 to 55mph (Albany, NY). I blasted out of there and onto I-90 and got tagged for "79 in a 55". I showed up to court, not in a suit and tie, but wearing hospital scrubs (I had to work later that day). after waiting a while I got pulled out of the courtroom, into the flippin' cafeteria next door!

I sit down with whoever at a table, and he asks me if I was coming from work. I tell him, "no, heading in, actually."

He then looks at the charges and says, "oh 79 in a 55..that's pretty steep".

to which I responded, "well, what happened was...-"

at which point he cuts me off with, "yeah yeah yeah, I don't care. How's parking on the highway?

To which I responded (with absolutely no game-face) "GREAT!" we shook hands, and I plead guilty to that. Heck yeah, I'll take the parking ticket.

In short:
1. fight the charge
2. look the part[/b]

good luck.

Regards,
Riz
:thumb:

(In Florida we have a no pursuit policy which basically mean no cops can chase you if you fail to pull over. Not suggested if you drive the baby GS I think they can chase you long enough to get your tag #!!)

Enjoy this story happend about 2 weeks ago.



Leading authorities on a racetrack-speed motorcycle chase and going the wrong way on the highway in rush-hour traffic is no way to impress a potential boss.

Authorities said David Carpenter, 24, was set to take his physical exam next week to be a Florida Highway Patrol trooper, but his dangerous habit of gunning his Honda 1000 motorcycle on the Florida Turnpike and fleeing from troopers likely put an end to his law enforcement aspirations.

"We told him don't bother showing up," said FHP spokesman Lt. Julio Pajon, after officers snared Carpenter on Monday. "Getting arrested is an automatic disqualifier."

For weeks, troopers and other authorities have seen Carpenter speeding through traffic at speeds of up to 140 mph. He managed to flee at least twice and almost caused two wrecks involving troopers, Pajon said.

At 8:30 a.m. Monday morning, however, the FHP waited for Carpenter using an airplane and troopers stationed strategically along the highway. Soon enough, Carpenter led troopers on a chase captured on surveillance camera. At one point during the pursuit, Carpenter headed south in the northbound lanes and later smashed the cycle's front rim by hurling over a curb to avoid a tollbooth, according to police reports.

Carpenter outraced the troopers on his bike, but an airplane shadowed him to his apartment in the 15500 block of 105th Lane in south Miami-Dade County. When troopers arrived moments later, they saw Carpenter standing outside pretending to wash his car.

Carpenter denied being the motorcyclist at first, but it appears his pooch gave him up.

The dog came up to a window, moved a vertical blind and barked at the troopers outside, a report said. A trooper peeked inside Carpenter's bedroom and saw the motorcycle.

Also inside the bedroom: Carpenter's application for the FHP.

Police charged Carpenter with three counts of aggravated fleeing, two counts of aggravated assault on a law enforcement officer and one count of reckless driving. He also received a citation for bending back his license tag from plain sight.

Quote from: DanielyOK, do this...

File a paper to take the ticket by mail, not sure on the name of the paper but you can find it online.

Next, if it doesnt get dismissed that way, file a written appeal, then ask for the records of when the last time that road was surveyd for speed with the necissary info along with that. Also ask to see the ticketing officers printout from his radar gun, also ask to find out when the last time his gun was calibrated.

My moms got some hookups so let me know if you need any more info, ill get you all the legal papers I can.

thats a Trial by Declaration. IF you lose that, you can ask for a Trial de Novo (new trial). Filling out the Trial by Declaration can be tricky (to get right) so I highly suggest you go to ticketassassin.com and pay the $25 donation for his highly regarded (cut and paste) information. I'm waiting on my 71 in a 50 ticket resolution now.

the kicker is...if you go for a new trial everythign from the declaration is void and it truly is a new trial so you can still ask for traffic shool. My opinion is that its worth trying to get out of the ticket and save the traffic school for another day...

Quote from: davipujust go steal the sign, and be like there was no sign......

Just what I was thinking.  It worked for my friend once before.  Just don't get caught.   Once it is down take some photos and pics.

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Quote from: DanielyOK, do this...

File a paper to take the ticket by mail, not sure on the name of the paper but you can find it online.

Next, if it doesnt get dismissed that way, file a written appeal, then ask for the records of when the last time that road was surveyd for speed with the necissary info along with that. Also ask to see the ticketing officers printout from his radar gun, also ask to find out when the last time his gun was calibrated.

My moms got some hookups so let me know if you need any more info, ill get you all the legal papers I can.

thats a Trial by Declaration. IF you lose that, you can ask for a Trial de Novo (new trial). Filling out the Trial by Declaration can be tricky (to get right) so I highly suggest you go to ticketassassin.com and pay the $25 donation for his highly regarded (cut and paste) information. I'm waiting on my 71 in a 50 ticket resolution now.

the kicker is...if you go for a new trial everythign from the declaration is void and it truly is a new trial so you can still ask for traffic shool. My opinion is that its worth trying to get out of the ticket and save the traffic school for another day...

thats for CA though..

Quote from: '04gs500f

Quote from: pantablo

Quote from: DanielyOK, do this...

File a paper to take the ticket by mail, not sure on the name of the paper but you can find it online.

Next, if it doesnt get dismissed that way, file a written appeal, then ask for the records of when the last time that road was surveyd for speed with the necissary info along with that. Also ask to see the ticketing officers printout from his radar gun, also ask to find out when the last time his gun was calibrated.

My moms got some hookups so let me know if you need any more info, ill get you all the legal papers I can.

thats a Trial by Declaration. IF you lose that, you can ask for a Trial de Novo (new trial). Filling out the Trial by Declaration can be tricky (to get right) so I highly suggest you go to ticketassassin.com and pay the $25 donation for his highly regarded (cut and paste) information. I'm waiting on my 71 in a 50 ticket resolution now.

the kicker is...if you go for a new trial everythign from the declaration is void and it truly is a new trial so you can still ask for traffic shool. My opinion is that its worth trying to get out of the ticket and save the traffic school for another day...

thats for CA though..

Of course you could do all that. But then you would have to miss work and school. Is that really worth it? You might spend more money trying to fight it.

Quote from: '04gs500f

thats for CA though..

true, but I was answering Daniely's reply, asking for the name of the written trial-I know he's also in CA. I hope Ticketassassin could help others but its more likely a CA thing... :dunno:

Quote from: '04gs500fi appreciate the help, but there is no winning when i was doing 60 in a 25 WITH a posted speed limit sign.

So if i pay the ticket and opt for the dumb corse do i have to show up to court for any reason???

No, you don't have to show up in court if you do that. I would suggest that you this method. You can use the "driver improvement" school 5 times in your life if need be. (edit.... this is for florida, where we both are, don't know about other states)
This ticket is a good one to use it for, cause that's a 4 point ticket. it's also an insurance killer, especially at your age.

There's planty of 'comedy traffic schools' around that make it almost fun to take the class anyway.

Im my humble opinion, trying to take the ticket to court and fight it won't be very easy. Even though judges aren't supposed to be biased, with all the media bombardment towards young male sportbike riders may make you guilty by association, then not only do you get the points and the fine, you may also have to pay court costs, and get assigned to take some type of safety course anyway, without the benefit of losing the points.

Court is always a gamble, especially when it comes to traffic court and misdemeanors, since it based soley upon the judge, and if the guy before you pisses off the judge... you get whacked.

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Quote from: '04gs500f
There's planty of 'comedy traffic schools' around that make it almost fun to take the class anyway.

I did not laugh at all when I had to go to the "Comedy Traffic School" it still sux!!  :nana:

My advice is to hire a lawyer.  It will pay off in the long run.

Quote from: Jake DMy advice is to hire a lawyer.  It will pay off in the long run.

ditto (although I just finished law school, so I'm biased  :thumb: )

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Quote from: '04gs500f
There's planty of 'comedy traffic schools' around that make it almost fun to take the class anyway.

I did not laugh at all when I had to go to the "Comedy Traffic School" it still sux!!  :nana:

It's still better than the regular one, at least they hold them in a restaraunt, so you can eat and basically ignore the guy.

60 in a 25, my instinct would be "Pay up and look big" Over here if you go to court you may get off scott-free but if you don't the court will add a hefty premium, basically for wasting their time.

Most of us do it from time to time, I know I do.  The current road safety campaign here is....Hit a child at 30, 80% chance child lives, hit a child at 40, 80% chance child dies. Lets keep the thrills for the open twistees and leave the neighborhoods alone ? ? ?

Quote from: Cal Price60 in a 25, my instinct would be "Pay up and look big" Over here if you go to court you may get off scott-free but if you don't the court will add a hefty premium, basically for wasting their time.

Most of us do it from time to time, I know I do.  The current road safety campaign here is....Hit a child at 30, 80% chance child lives, hit a child at 40, 80% chance child dies. Lets keep the thrills for the open twistees and leave the neighborhoods alone ? ? ?

Good call. My 0.02, go to court. Plead not guilty. Tell him you werent aware of the sign posted and admit to your fault. You will go to 8hr traffic school and pay your fine. The end. What if you do it again? you go and ask to get it dropped to a level 2 infraction (this is how its done in CA) and then if the judge is cool he sends you off to 16hrs of traffic school and you pay your fine. No points on the record-YAY.

im just going to do the class and pay the fine, as for saving the speed for the track thats true etc etc, but i mean this was a wide turn with NO sideroads at all IE no one could possibly pull out in front of my unless they hopped the tree filled median. so really only person i put at risk in taking that specific corner that fast was myself since no one was driving around me and there are no sideroads or even sidewalks on that corner

but im at fault and if the state wants to bend me over the coffee table to administer my punishment  then so be it.