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I'll let you talk...  I'll just throw out a few things to get it started.

Why does the media make such a big deal about flushing a Quran down the toilet while the "Muslims" blow people up with car bombs and it's no biggie?  The flushed Quran has been news for weeks now, a car bomb is forgotten the next day.

Why was such a big stink made over Abu Grab prisoners being naked while the insurgents lopped off heads?  Abu Grab has been news for months.  While a hostage, the victims are news, but once they're killed, end of story.

Why is there such outrage over the Iraq war which saved Iraqis that would have been killed due to Saddam while still crying that we DON'T do anything to save the Africans also being killed by brutal leaders?  Everyone says the Iraq war was wrong even though it stopped a brutal dictator from murdering his own people.  BUT, the media STILL rags on the U.S. for not doing anything in Africa!  How can we win with them?

I don't get it... I want to know...

What other inconsistencies have you seen?

I believe it is the Warren commission that states that we are supposed to help other countries in need?  They all expect the US to help other countries because we are a superpower and are looked upon highly.  I think the reason that the quran being flushed and the nude pictures of the people is because the US did both.  We put ourselves to high standards and people wont let us fall short of what we put ourselves up to do.  Sorta like if you go doing things for people or helping out at volunteer organizations but then stop, you are looked down upon more so than someone who has never helped in a volunteer organization.  Because we did it once we are expected to do it always.  I think I went off the subject a little but thats how I look at it.

I'm not getting into the war debate. Media is biased, it has been for years, pretty much all media. Biased in different ways and directions but biased nonetheless.  If you think your chosen TV news or newspaper is not biased it probably means that you broadly agree with it. In the late 19th and early 20th century there were papers that stuck to verifiable facts but public appetite is for speculation nowadays. Opinion dressed up as facts. Left and right they all do it.

I used to work for a freelance news agency many years back and we would gather a story and pics and you just knew who you could sell it to by the nature of the story.

The trick is to know and understand the bias and see through it, don't go for a paper that pretends it is unbiased go for one with a built-in agenda like say the Financial Times or Wall St Journal this will simply give the lowdown on how such-and-such an event will affect MONEY, the Racing Post and Sporting Life will speculate odds and will this affect bookies/ gamblers. Then expand your horizons to the less obvious biases and you will soon spot them. Once you appreciate the bias you just might get to the facts. If you can get them compare, say FoxNews with BBC World Service, often you would think they were reporting different events.

Cal,

Once again you are the voice of reason.

It's not just the MEDIA that is biased, the REPORTERS are biased too.  Whatever their thoughts are on a story will be highlighted and others subdued.  If the guy likes whatever he's reporting on, it will have a positive spin, if he's against it, a negative tone.

It also helps to know as much about a subject as possible.  Get your news from a variety of sources.  Go in with a skeptical eye.  

I get a kick out of "placement" where they do a story about something general and deliberately show a ghey couple or a mixed marriage.  It has NO relevance to the story, just there to "desensitize" the viewers.

How true your comment on different channels.  Do you have satellite?  On Dish there are "news" channels up in the 9,000 range from all over the world.  If you want to know what the world is thinking look at those broadcasts some time.  One day during the pilgrimage to Mecca they were translating what was being broadcast over the speakers as the throngs walked around the big black stone, "the rock".  I couldn't believe it, SO anti U.S.!  It was like a war cry against the western world.  I don't think we'll EVER get a fair shake in the Arab world.  That is what is so scary.

It reminds me of the "men in Black" movie where he says something like "they go on with their pointless lives unaware of what is happening around them".  If you only knew all the scary stuff that goes on in the world...

I "work" for a newspaper.  It's a campus paper, but I get a lot of contact with "real" newspapers/ reporters/ etc. ,as well as other college papers,  through my job.  Through my experience MOST american journalists are biased towards the left.  I think I'm the only Republican at my office (30+ employees), true it is in a University, (Universities are well known as liberal breeding grounds.) but the people I know from the local paper and other college papers fit the mold very well.  
On to Joe's question about why some news gets covered more than other news.  Well Joe, you should know that people react more to negativity (I think you once put it as "Truth").  Opinions and slants that excite peoples opinions and views will get more people talking, which will sell more papers.  I watch CNN when I want to be told what to think by hippies, and I watch Fox News when I want to hear from rich Old Farts.  Reporting the NEWS isn't profitable, because American's would rather be entertained than think for themselves.  People watch movies about mass murderers and the brutality of war for fun.  Why should people care about things that don't directly affect them?  I guess I'm going on a bit of a rant, so I'm sorry.  Like Cal said, you've gotta look through the smoke and mirrors act that media outlets use to make MONEY (Ahhh, money what it's REALLY all about)
Oppy00 Out.

You're right about reporting things that "excite" people.  Like murder, crime, kidnapping.  Hardly any "warm and fuzzy" stories.  Nice doesn't sell newspapers.

But, why-o-why don't they cover anything meaningful?  As I said, they'll make a BIG deal over urine on a Quran, SO WHAT!  And another car bombing by Muslims killing Muslims is practically ignored.

This brings up a crucial point.  It's superficial news reporting.  If it REALLY matters and has ANYTHING to do (negative publicity) with a minority you'll NEVER see it.  The media is the ultimate politically correct machine.  Hiding anything bad about any minority.  This pisses me off.  Take Saudi Arabia, they're human rights are despicable, women are treated worse than dogs.  Are there any in-depth stories repeated over and over about that?  No.  It's brushed clean and glossed over.  They put lipstick on a pig.

I used to watch Fox news because it was for me, older men with some money, conservative people with something to lose.  I hardly watch it any more.  A year or two ago they seemed to start carrying the same stories over and over at the expense of other more newsworthy stories.  I think it started with that Smart girl in Utah, that's all you saw on Fox, all day long.  Whatever they decide to latch onto as "their story" is all you see ALL day.  I used to like Greta, but she became the same, night after night all it was the same story, and it was an hour of worthless conjecture.  Once that story finished she began another, night after night, the same crap.

I guess I need an AP direct newsfeed.  But wait, the reporters are biased too.

Speaking of which, do you have any PERSONAL experience with a story that was covered in the news?  I do.  And believe me, the story that reached the TV/newspapers/magazines was NOWHERE even close to the reality.  You really CAN'T believe much of anything you hear on the news.  That is what I mean when I say the "truth" isn't what you think it is.  Most of us have no idea what is and isn't real.  What is simply "made up" by the "marketers" and what is a true fact.  That is why I dig for the raw numbers and decide for myself what to believe.  Or, I find the story reported by other reporters and see what THEY have to say.

Gotta love how they dramatize everything too.  Remember recently the Viagra story?  Viagra will make you go blind!  BUT, if you look at the numbers BEFORE they tell their story you'll see that there have been about 23 million (23,000,000) men who have taken Viagra.  Out of that about 30-40 have reported blindness.  Do you know what percent that is?  It's .0001%  Now, do you think that's significant?  So, why bother with the story?  Maybe mention it briefly that a VERY few were afflicted.  But to have it in ALL the media?

Oh well, I'll let someone else talk a bit.

You know.............

I got 3 wonderful letters for you... BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/).

Yes Joe, I have Satellite, I used even to get the notorious Al-Jazeera but now they want a subscription, so that's out. It still leaves plenty enough to see all the the different slants and angles. The latest one to appear on my package is an English language Chinese channel. I get the "mainstream" U.S. stuff, Fox, CNN, Bloomburg, CNBC etc plus a good selection of Brit and European plus Indian sub-continent as we have a high proportion of ethnic Indian, Pakistani, Sri-Lankan and Bangla-Deshies in our population.

I have heard people say how differently CNN and Fox cover events, that's nothing compared to the international perspective, especially when the shooting starts.

opy00's comment about most US papers being left bias was interesting, in the UK and Europe the opposite is probably the case but at least they tend to be open and up-front about it. It's the unseen or undetected bias that presents a problem, once it is "sussed" it ceases to be a problem.

Long live a free press but being free doesn't always make it true!!

Cal,

So tell me, are these "new" immigrants from the Indian area successfully becoming Brits?  Or are they doing like they and other "new" immigrants are doing here in the states...  Simply LIVING here and still acting, speaking, dressing like they're still living at home?

Man, it makes me mad how these people ONLY come here for the benefits of living in America.  They have absolutely NO intention of actually becoming an American.  That is the big problem with the Mexicans.  There are 11 million of them here illegally and 50 million + here legally.  BUT neither group want to actually "blend" into the proverbial mixing pot as immigrants did in the past.  They refuse the learn to read/speak english.

It kills me how the media labels us "ugly Americans" because we go to a foreign country TO VISIT and expect everything in english.  BUT, they'd NEVER say "ugly Mexican" to describe those who come here TO LIVE and expect everything in Spanish!  It just kills me!

What a double standard!

If you're going to move to another country to spend the rest of your live, you MUST become that country.  You learn the language, you learn and adopt the customs, you BECOME that country.  You drop whatever you WERE because you left there.  If you still want to BE whatever you were, why did you leave?  Stay there if you love it so much.  You MUST blend into your new contries population like you were born here.  Is that so wrong to expect?

nope, I agree.

i agree with the statement about how immigrants should learn the ways/culture/language of their new country, but i strongly DISAGREE with the statement saying that one should drop their heritage.  thats a load of crap.  im proud to be american, at the same time im proud to have an italian background!  and im not even an immigrant.  im the third generation in my family to be born in the US.  one's heritage should be respected.

Who says anything about FORGETTING you heritage.  Just leave it at the door when you go out.  DON'T fly an Italian flag at your house, don't even put one on your car.  Don't run around speaking Italian either.  At home with friends is fine.  Don't expect US to cater to or accept your Italianess.  If you REALLY want to be an Italian, I suggest you move to Italy.  Get it?  You moved to America, you're an American now with an Italian heritage.

so because im proud of my heritage i should have italian flags?  what a crock!  might as well leave the food there too!  no more pizza, or sausage, spagetti etc..  all i can eat are burgers and french fries?

They're American Fries now   or Freedom Fries   :roll:

Well, I see I have been asked a question in two languages. Better do my best to answer it then.

I don't honestly believe that you can say how Mexicans/Indians/Romanys behave, they are just as individual cross section of society like any other group but I take the point. Immigrant groups usually start out grouping together and becoming very conspicous this can engender, fear, hatred, suspicision, admiration in other groups, usually the local population.

To try and answer the question specific to Asians (as we refer to people from the indian sub continent in general) will depend on where you live, your own preferences and bias etc but GENERALLY Asians are seen as hard working folk, many have small busineess and do intergrate into local society whilst retaining their own traditions and beliefs which cover a very wide range. Many of the "older" families are settled and fully intergrated, yes there are problems with language etc, but these are bacoming less. The biggest cultural difference and point of friction are issues surrounding the young women of the families who are getting very "western" in many ways but are sometimes still expected to partake in arranged marriages etc,. This is as divisive in the Asian communities as it is for the locals.

The big cultural advantage they have is that when they arrive they understand Cricket!

Britain is a fairly tolerant society but a long way from utopia, we do have our racial issues and problems, some people get very heated over the issue of immigration both legal and illegal and this sometimes comes out as hostility to all groups even those that have contributed to our society and culture for many years. sometimes this is aggravated by some people within those groups who also have an agenda, some moslem clerics say and do things which do not come across as very tolerant or even godly. We akso have problems centering around Eastern Europeans, Albanians, Kosovans, Serbs, Czecks and Slovacs, often Romanies so this is not simply a Black-White-Brown thing. The latter groups are often seen as illegal immigrant criminals and some are, these are the ones that get all the publicity and shape perceptions of the entire group.

in this country, politicians are allowed to set the agenda for the media.

to quote Bill Moyers (the poster-child/scapegoat for media bias), "...the conventional rules of Beltway journalism. Those rules divide the world into democrats and republicans, liberals and conservatives and allow journalists to pretend they have done their job if, instead of reporting the truth behind the news, they merely give each side an opportunity to spin the news."

journalism in the U.S. is largely a case of "he said, she said."

to paraphrase Eric Alterman, if the Republican party came out tomorrow saying that black was white, the mainstream media, so afraid of being called liberal, would never contradict them.  at most, they would quote a Democratic source saying that they believe that black is actually a somewhat dark grey.


cheers,
will

Quote from: joerockerIf you're going to move to another country to spend the rest of your live, you MUST become that country.  You learn the language, you learn and adopt the customs, you BECOME that country.  You drop whatever you WERE because you left there.  If you still want to BE whatever you were, why did you leave?  Stay there if you love it so much.  You MUST blend into your new contries population like you were born here.  Is that so wrong to expect?

You're right. From now on, stop speaking English, you invader. Speak native American.

Quote from: CasiCUA

Quote from: joerockerIf you're going to move to another country to spend the rest of your live, you MUST become that country.  You learn the language, you learn and adopt the customs, you BECOME that country.  You drop whatever you WERE because you left there.  If you still want to BE whatever you were, why did you leave?  Stay there if you love it so much.  You MUST blend into your new contries population like you were born here.  Is that so wrong to expect?

You're right. From now on, stop speaking English, you invader. Speak native American.

. fraid casi has a point, my ancestry here started around the turn of the century, but also for the longest time, the "native americans did not have a set language", so do we say nothing?, the world has been built on conquest.  :dunno:

speaking of "media bias", is al-jazeera a terrorist station?, because, (if i am mistaken i apologise), only time you see their broadcasts, is either beheadings, bombings, death and destruction from their points of view :dunno:

And I'm trying to stop the "silent", "nonviolent" conquest of America by Mexicans.  Believe you me, they ARE taking over.  They are invading by climbing the walls, and BREEDING us out of the majority.  11 MILLION are here illegally.  Look at California, there is NO white majority anymore.

Quote from: joerockerLook at California, there is NO white majority anymore.

'cause that's what really matters.  


:nono:

Cause he thinks it goes like this:

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Why was the "Downing Street Memo" not given more coverage? Love it (the bike), Cuba (GTMO is a paradox), and this forum.

C........

Saw a very small snippet about it on Fox News last nite...down-played quite well by the right I think. Lovin' the Zuki 500, Oklahoma (what's it like to live in the Panhandle?), and this forum.

C........

The U.S. and its military must be held to a higher standard of conduct than terrorists and killers.  It is our responsibility as the remaining world power.  

Duh.

Yamahonkawazuki,

Al-Jazeera is a news Channel based in one of the smaller arab nations, might be Qatar. It is the vehicle that OBL and possibly others choose to send their tapes etc to. Most of the time it's pretty much like any other news channel, doubtless with a huge bias. Does this make it "Terrorist"?  Probably not but it's all a matter of perception.

Ooooh Cal, you REALLY think Aljazeera isn't biased?  You don't think it has the Arab's point of view?  You think Israel and the US get a fair shake?

At least the US news and the BBC over there run negative stories (too many in my book) about their own country.  Our media seems to take the other side more than our own side.  God, they just HATE Bush!  He can't do ANYTHING right in their eyes.  But yet, when I hear his speeches, he says everything I want to hear (except privatizing social security).

I'm starting to sound like a broken record with my "peak oil" remarks all the time.  I TRULY believe that the government KNOWS it's coming REAL soon and they are preparing for the global rush for energy.  They are setting up bases over there to either protect those oil fields OR take them.

Just about EVERYONE in the business says the peak production is here or will be in about 20 years.  With the demand constantly rising, when the peak comes, it's going to shock a LOT of economies.  It's going to really suck.

So the Downing Street Memo is truth? Love the little GS, BBC (listen with a cup of tea), and this forum.

C.......

Quote from: joerockerOoooh Cal, you REALLY think Aljazeera isn't biased?  You don't think it has the Arab's point of view?

Read it again Joe (emphasis added):

Quote from: Cal PriceMost of the time it's pretty much like any other news channel, doubtless with a huge bias.

Thanks Kerry, didn't notice the first time...  My apologies Cal.

Wow, I was about to leap in and saw that I had been saved by the puppies! Cheers all.

see your point cal, BUT all i see is what ive stated, then again, it may have been all im ALLOWED to see, would like to figure out how to watch them so i can see what a typical broadcast day might consist of :dunno:

Well you could subscribe if you have the means of delivery, sattelite or a cable operator that carries it, which is doubtful. From memory I should think most of us have better things to do with our time and money.

I get most of my news from BBC "News 24", sometimes I will think "Oh I wonder how the cousins are relating to that" (Most recently "Gorgeous-George" Galloway) and I will flip to a US news provider, I often do just for the sake of it, because it's there I suppose. When it's a Brit politican upsets some EC leader, like pretty much every day, I take a peak at the Franco-German Euronews. None of which is scientific, just a snapshot which is where this post started.

since you mentioned him, Cal, a big thumbs up to George Galloway.  i don't know much about him, but what i saw of his Senate testimony impressed me.

cheers,
will

oh, and just for the sake of novelty, i will have to, in some very small part agree with Wilson.

i do feel that our media has too much of a Zionist influence.  i feel that the mainstream media here is overwhelmingly one-sided in its coverage of Israel.  what's particularly insidious is that in public discourse an equivalency has been drawn of Israel=Jewish.  therefore, if you criticize Israel in any way, you are accused of anti-semitism.

another false equivalency in public discourse is free market=free people.  communism and capitalism are not political systems.  they are economic systems.  strictly adhering to either one is a mistake.  the free market has nothing to do with democracy.  in fact, it is in many ways anti-democratic.  it is a winner-take all system.

unbridled capitalism and strict communism both lead to tyranny.

cheers,
will

George is a very good example of how the Media can treat people, some sections of the Brit media, mainly newspapers had had a "Get GG" agenda for a while, yes he did have a lot of connections in Iraq, he said that but so far attempts to show him as dishonest or some kind of traitor have fallen well short of proof.

The man stood as an independent in our 05/05/05 election and won his constituency very convincingly so I suppose he must have something. The senate committee played right into his hands by naming him as "guilty" without speaking to him. "Not so much as a phone call" in his words. Then to ask him "How many times did he meet Saddam" so that he could get in the predictable line "Five, same as Donald Rumsfedt except I didn't try to sell him any guns" was comedy on the Monty-Python scale. The conservative media here was predicting that the senators would take him apart but at the end you had to wonder just who was politically naive.

I think GG is a long way from being an Angel but that's democracy for you, even the Devil gets his due.

Well well well...  Look what was in the news today...  40+ million (not counting the 11+ million illegals) mexicans living in the US. 1 in 7.  Highest reproduction rate of ANY group.  AND also the POOREST!  It kills me...  In 30 years they'll be in charge because they've bred the country away from us.  And then the US will be just like the cesspool they came from.  I'd move to europe but they'll be run by Muslims!

See my theory why in my other thread.

Cal, I'm also glad to read that you are so ranged in the news as those that I watched, I thought I was the only one getting news from areas in Asia, Europe, and Middle East and it is almost dissappointing how every countries newstations are essentially the same in almost the minimal sense of "corruption" that goes on or that I believe goes on.  Although my facts on the news have been so distrustful lately that my favorite news/comedy is the daily show nowadays just cause they give me a little laugh after some of the bs i hear.  Living in california though i've heard many times that mexicans are taking over, I've never quite understood it.  Being asian I also hear how asians are taking over or the "asian invasion" i don't quite believe it though lol at least i wasnt told of the plan.

shen,

You MUST be blind then.  There is NO white majority in CA.  The minorities total 51% now.  Sure glad I don't live there.  And yes, I have lived there.

San Bernardino 80-85, it was beautiful except for the smog.  Now, well lets say it's gone to hell (I drove though there in 1998, checked out the old neighborhoods).  Everything looks dirty, unkept, like crap.  There is grafitti EVERYWHERE.  I heard that gangs were rampant.  No thank you.  Glad I'm gone.

Also lived in Monterey (1985-1988), my wifes from Carmel.  We'll be visiting this July.  I'll keep you posted.  Even she couldn't stand all the Mexicans "invading" back then.  I hear Salinas is 90% Mexican now.  And NOT a very pleasant place to live.

I can't for the life of me understand why you people stick up for and have so much love for a group that is destroying your state and your country.  Is there something they put in your water?

o im not standing up 4 them but theirs just as worse like asians, I know theirs no white majority in california I never said their was.  But being a Vietnamese member of my community, I see families with fathers as gardeners that actually do make good money but at the same time take advantage of the welfare system, I do admit that im some areas the living conditions have dived down, I currently am with my parents over the summer in Salida just north of a city called Modesto, modesto has grown and many say for the worse.  but no offense being traveled to texas, new york, arizona, oregon, and kentucky, california has been the most diverse and friendliest area ive been to.  What i stand up for is the diverseness of it all and not for one particular majority.  but almost all areas that ive been to ive faced racial issues surprsingly in oregon as well (which other then a few areas, were very friendly)

My experience has been that almost every area that ive been to with a white majority i've seen it just as bad and the racism is intolerable.  I blame the current state of california as a whole to the political stature that it holds. (comon we have the terminator for a governor lol) one would also have to argue though that diverseness is what brought california to the success that it is in american history.  maybe it has run rampant I find myself to limited to give a direct response to it.  with gangs n such, I used to be poor, we lived in a ford aerostar van for a year and a half until a family took us in n helped us and a gang almost became my option, my dad also became a gardener himself though and was partnered with a hispanic friend or mexican and now to wat u may think asians do he owns 2 nail shops lol.  but becuase of that I try to diversify myself as much as possible. some people say its their own fault and most of that I agree with, but their are others who try. gangs though I cannot speak for I've known friends who've died or been arrested and dont know why it had to happen or why gangs became their lives.

also, I've noticed that alot of hispanic workers have taken over alot of the gardening jobs of many of the asians around here at least, though I could argue that they are stealing our low paying hard jobs with no benifits or fancy vacations, but i noticed that they are trying to eat and buy food for their kids.  I am agree that many people I know must work harder now but i am also happy that the stereotype of "hello Mr.Lee have u mowed my lawn yet" is about gone, my only true argument here is can we not let them live and for all to try their darnest make that living clean and comfortable?  lol or maybe its im so far gone that I've just given up on the entire situation? I'm still young and plan to take a cross country trip.  Maybe its just wishful idealism to say Can't we all just get along? :)

Reflecting on the title of this thread, I have to ask

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joerocker bias, Why does he cover some stories and not others?"[/list:u]I'm not trying to be flippant; this is a serious question.  My followup question is:

"And why does he feel like he has to cover them on a motorcycle message board?"[/list:u]I've tried to figure this one out, but I'm sure I haven't nailed it yet.  Here are some of the possibilities I have considered:
1) Perhaps he truly cares about his fellow GS owners and wants to make sure we are informed about important stuff that affects (or will affect) us?  :dunno:

2) Perhaps he believes that the discussion of politically divisive topics on a motorcycle message board has the potential to bring about real change?  :dunno:

3) Maybe he doesn't like to compartmentalize who he is, so no matter where he is he will say what's on his mind?  Maybe if he were on a political message board he would also talk about riding and fixing motorcycles?  :dunno:

4) It could be that he may not have much to SAY about the GS500, but he likes to participate, so...?  :dunno:

5) Perhaps he has had a hard time finding open forums that will let him speak freely, and he knows a good thing when he sees one? :dunno:

6) Perhaps he can't stand knowing that there are blissfully ignorant people in the world, or blissfully apathetic ones?  Perhaps he can't let them find things out for themselves, but feels the need to open their eyes to "reality" on his schedule and at his pace? :dunno:

7) Maybe he is an honest seeker after truth, and he thinks that by asking such questions he will get to learn from others who know more about the topic? :dunno:  And he thinks that "political truth" will be most easily (or most likely) found on an MC message board?  :dunno:

8 ) Or perhaps he just likes to be the center of attention, of whatever group will "listen" to him? :dunno:[/list:u]
Joe, I don't begrudge you your knowledge or experience or even your opinions.  But I do question your motives.
1) Do I feel like you really care about me?  You have said several times that you don't care what anybody thinks about your opinions.  So why post them?  Would a reasonable corollary be that you don't care about anybody

period?  :dunno:

2) DO you hold out hope for change as a result of the issues you raise?

3) I have to believe that you possess the ability to discern the appropriateness of one forum of discussion over another for a given topic.  I just haven't been able to figure out the criteria that you use yet.

4) It would be hard to turn my back on someone just because they wanted to participate.  I hope this is the true reason.  But surely you are resourceful enough to come up with more "legitimate" forms of participation (for an MC message board) than you have been engaging in?

5) As much as I favor open forums, I think that with freedom comes responsibility.  Yes?  You have made a similar point about the USA's more-or-less open borders, and those who enter with no intention of fitting in.

6) If this is the reason, think about how YOU feel when someone tries to push you in a direction of THEIR choosing.

7) I honestly don't see much evidence for this possibility.

8 ) I hope there's more to it than this statement suggests, but is it anywhere close?[/list:u]
Please, in your response choose one or more of the possibilities I have provided.  If all of the real reasons aren't listed, please add as many additional BRIEF entries as you need.  You often say that we should open our eyes, see things for ourselves, and make informed decisions.  I agree.  Inform us enough that we can "know" why you follow your current course on GStwin, and decide whether we want to follow along.

Quote from: joerockerI can't for the life of me understand why you people stick up for and have so much love for a group that is destroying your state and your country. Is there something they put in your water?

I can't for the life of me understand why you refer to all of your "readers" as "you people" (as though they were all the same and all shared the same opinions - which are supposedly diametrically opposed to your "correct" ones).

Or where you got the impression that those few who have spoken actually "stick up for" and have "so much love" for people they haven't met.  But even if they DO those things, I would prefer that over having them "run down" and have "so much hate" for people they haven't met.

As for your last line, I get the sinking feeling that you have been putting something unwelcome "in the water" of GStwin.  You of all people can understand my desire to keep divisive/corrosive/destructive influences out of this place that means so much to me.

Quote from: KerryReflecting on the title of this thread, I have to ask

"

joerocker bias, Why does he cover some stories and not others?"[/list:u]I'm not trying to be flippant; this is a serious question.  My followup question is:

And why does he feel like he has to cover them on a motorcycle message board?"[/list:u]

i'm betting his hair doesn't actually look like that.