My buddy was looking at a 500 Ninja, and i was pumped! Finally someone that i can ride with that isn't goin to leave me in their dust. Don't get me wrong, i love the GS but she doesn't got the balls to go with the 6's :oops: . Now he is talking about getting the 04 Bandit 600. We have the same mind frame: We love speed, so how bad is it goin to be for me if he gets the bandit. I know to ride my own ride, but for fun, how much quicker is the bandit? Thanks :mrgreen:
if you ride straight roads...say goodbye. the B6 has 3x the hp (or almost) and is loads quicker. But if you hit the twisties you should be able to keep up with most 600's, even sportbikes. The twistier it is the more likely you should be able to keep up, even with liter bikes.
Yes, if you and mister literbike were equal riders you'd be dust but that is not often the case. use the gs for all its worth and get better at riding it-then you'll be the superior rider and embarass all sorts of bikes.
Quote from: pantablothe B6 has 3x the hp (or almost) and is loads quicker.
how does bandit 600 have 3x the horsepower?? :dunno:
Yeah 3x????
the gixxer 600 is only twice and it is fuel injected..
bandit is carbed...
bandit is 78hp.. so 50% more than our 52... with 20% more weight...
doesn't sound a whole lot quicker and sounds less manuverable
ya that bike suks...it doesnt move for shaZam! it is a heavy beast!! the gs is way better....and when you get in the twisties!! you will take his ass even if he gets you on the strait. the gs is amazing through turns the bandit suks balls through turns!
agree with above posts, but do think it's funny that every one automaticly assumes that the guy on GS is far supperior rider............I say if both you and your friend want to ride together, you should be able to w/o him thinking that you are holding him back, but if he would want to pull away, he will
i'm not saying the bandit is slow... thats the bike i originally wanted... but it isn't 3 times faster.. that was my point... somewhat faster... but less flickable
If you go riding with someone and they leave you behind then don't go riding with them anymore. A person who no longer sees a partner in the mirror and doesn't stop and or turn around to check on you is no friend.
Quote from: gazingwaYeah 3x????
the gixxer 600 is only twice and it is fuel injected..
bandit is carbed...
bandit is 78hp.. so 50% more than our 52... with 20% more weight...
doesn't sound a whole lot quicker and sounds less manuverable
Do GS realy have 52 hp? I though it was close to 45......
This site (http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/buyersguide/Suzuki-GS500E-GS550F.htm) says 51...
They say 80 for the Bandit 600 @ 430 lbs...
GS == 7.45 lbs per horse
Bandit == 5.38 lbs per horse
According to them anyway...
And my Ford Exploder is 25.33 lbs per horse... :lol:
and my buick century is 19.1 lb/hp
Just a guess but 45 is with a pipe and jetted and thats at the rear wheel, I think the 50 whatever is at the crank and is probley stock setup that Suzuki used to measure at the factory.
the gs only has 39.5 (01) horses.
and that is the number that counts because thats at the rear wheel.
If your into numbers, it would be pretty hard to find anyting with less ponies.
Love my GS...
Agreed, the GS is about 39hp at the wheel.
The 600 sportbikes are over 100hp at the wheel. I know, doesn't seem fair eh? 100cc more and 3X the HP!
The 600 class sport bikes whomp on the GS. That's just the way it is. Equal riders on each bike you'll never see them again unless the roads are as twisty as the figure 8 in the box at the MSF course.
Don't let them fool you. 10mph hairpins are the ONLY place you have a chance keeping up. My Ninja destroys my GS.
Quote from: joerockerAgreed, the GS is about 39hp at the wheel.
The 600 sportbikes are over 100hp at the wheel. I know, doesn't seem fair eh? 100cc more and 3X the HP!
The 600 class sport bikes whomp on the GS. That's just the way it is. Equal riders on each bike you'll never see them again unless the roads are as twisty as the figure 8 in the box at the MSF course.
Don't let them fool you. 10mph hairpins are the ONLY place you have a chance keeping up. My Ninja destroys my GS.
The thing that just kills me is the weight. Go look at your average GSXR750 and you've got (just swagging the numbers) roughly 130hp? Probably more? and the bike weighs the same as the GS.....
ahhhhhhhhhhh!!!
I hate going into the dealer because I always go sit on the GSXR750 and I just think to myself "it weighs the same as your bike dude....". Then I go sit on the GSXR1000 and the salesman comes over and I get depressed...
gak.
Can SOmeone Suggest where I can purchase a Used GS motor?
Quote from: V8Pintoand the salesman comes over and I get depressed...
My good friend, if you'd like you get your sprits up, just ask the kind gentlemen what he drives home after work. More likely than not, he'll answer "my wonderful Aerio", or better yet, "my lovely Swift". At that point you can take solesce that your bike is infinitely more pleasureable (not sure if that's a word!?), and that you've transcended to Nirvana at least one lifetime before your beloved salesman.
(Sorry.. I'm in a bitter and incompressibly bad mood this evening).. must not eat cow... bad hindu...
yeah, I'd gotten somewhere that says GS is good for 37hp at the rear wheel.
Quote from: SlavikQuote from: gazingwaYeah 3x????
the gixxer 600 is only twice and it is fuel injected..
bandit is carbed...
bandit is 78hp.. so 50% more than our 52... with 20% more weight...
doesn't sound a whole lot quicker and sounds less manuverable
Do GS realy have 52 hp? I though it was close to 45......
You really wont know until you dyno...
Horse power is a funny thing..
Quote from: FaxxxyQuote from: SlavikQuote from: gazingwaYeah 3x????
the gixxer 600 is only twice and it is fuel injected..
bandit is carbed...
bandit is 78hp.. so 50% more than our 52... with 20% more weight...
doesn't sound a whole lot quicker and sounds less manuverable
Do GS realy have 52 hp? I though it was close to 45......
You really wont know until you dyno...
Horse power is a funny thing..
does any one have manufacturer's numbers......I care just about at the crank number since it's normally the only published one
Pankaj....sys49152...you've been playing on your Commodore again have you????
I had a great time demo riding a 2005 650 Bandit last Saturday. :thumb: Yeah Suzuki has updated the 600 Bandit for Canada but its not available in the US (I think). It's supposed to have about 78hp - no different than the 600 but the low and midrange torque has been increased. The frame geometry has been changed as well to make it an earier ride - so I have read. I think the rake has been increased and thus the overall length.
I don't know nuttin bout da horsies but I loved the smoooothness and the shifter! Geezs I believe if i thought hard enough about it, it would shift for me. Man was that slick - just a tap on the shifter and 'click' I'm in the next gear. No trouble finding neutral. My bike is another story and I have trouble getting out of neutral once I do get it in there. The power seemed very easy to deal with not a whole lot different from the GS. I noted that the rpm's were almost the same as the GS, just 100 or 200 less in top gear.
It seemed pretty flickable for what I could do under the 'Demo constraint conditions' but I do think the GS has a lighter feel. It definately was quicker, no question, but not that you would lose your grip on the bars. Wait a minute - I almost forgot the seat. It IS COMFY. I could ride a long way on that seat without having to do too much squirmmin'. The seat and bars are adjustable on the 2005 - a little anyway.
Anyway the experience of feeling the smoothness and sound of the IL 4 was an eye opener. In a BIG way! :o The comfort and additional power - all good. I know now that I will be moving up to 'something' in the not-to-distant future. If not this year then for sure next.
Ride Safe
Dandy D
(my baby is still in the shop - almost a week now, trying to find a clunking in the trans or somewhere?? Getting annoyed with the shop taking so long :x )
The thing about the Bandit is not so much speed, there are LOADS of quicker 600s, it has been around for a long time and is generally regarded as being "Bulletproof" certainly engine-wise, in it's way like the GS. Part of the reason is the tried-tested and slow to change engineering and partly because the first 600 Bandit engines were based on an earlier 750 which is why going up to 650 has not presented any problems. It has a big following here and a lot of 900-1000++ bikers started with Bandits, it has the right feel.
I was in my local dealer last week and saw a heavily discounted Bandit which I assumed would be a 600 but it turned out to be the 650 version so there are some bargains to be had. Similarly I was in a Honda dealership yesterday and they are heavily discounting the CBS600 including the ABS version so I suppose this just underlines the fact that there are a LOT of 600/650 bikes out there.