Title: An open letter to all from the most hated person at GStwin..
Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2005, 01:00:52 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2005, 01:00:52 PM
OK, I guess it's time to explain myself.
I am what is sometimes called "The Devils Advocate". I enjoy giving others a counter view. On EVERYTHING. If you say one thing, I will say, what about the other. If you are for something, I give reasons against. Likewise, if you are against, I give reasons for.
Do I HATE everyone who isn't lilly white? NO, a resounding NO. Do I have problems with SOME members of minorities? Yes, of course.
I do want very much for you to open your eyes and see for yourself some of the things that go on in this world. I DON'T want you to take at face value EVERYTHING you're told in school, in the media, from friends and family. Many times you don't get the whole story.
I am NOT the raging lunatic that many of you think I am.
I DO believe that certain minorities need to pull more of their own weight.
I DO believe that we have a serious problem with illegal immigration.
I DO believe that religion IS a root cause of MANY of the worlds problems.
I DO believe we are in danger from fundamentalist Islam.
I have in the past used exaggerations to bolster my position. I have argued points that were "over the top". I have made blatently disparaging remarks towards peoples, to strengthen my argument.
My intention was always to simply "open your mind" a bit. To get you thinking. To see that there IS another side to most EVERYTHING.
I guess it was kerrys post that got me to thinking.
With 5-6 threads open ALL against me, I decided the time was right to "come clean".
Remember always: Rarely is anything as it first appears and the truth is rarely as simple as it seems.
If I REALLY upset anyone with my remarks, I appologize to you.
This doesn't mean I "give up", or "I lost", you know me better than that! It simply means that I'm aware of my sometimes "insensitivity" towards others and I'm sorry if I caused you undue pain.
I TRULY, NEVER had ANY bad feelings towards ANY of you. Many I respect for your willingness and ability to express your feelings. Some need to work on self expression.
Suzuki10, to you I appologize for taking an honest question and twisting it into a tirade.
I can be VERY insensitive towards others when caught up in a "battle".
Funny thing is, at work everyone loves me, I am VERY friendly, and have a hundred or so fairly close aquantances (of all races/ethnicities/genders). Hmmm, maybe it's the anonyminity here that brings out my devilish side?
Don't think I'm done questioning you! I will STILL make you think. I will continue to challange your ideas/ideals.
Now, GO FOR A RIDE! I am!
joe
I am what is sometimes called "The Devils Advocate". I enjoy giving others a counter view. On EVERYTHING. If you say one thing, I will say, what about the other. If you are for something, I give reasons against. Likewise, if you are against, I give reasons for.
Do I HATE everyone who isn't lilly white? NO, a resounding NO. Do I have problems with SOME members of minorities? Yes, of course.
I do want very much for you to open your eyes and see for yourself some of the things that go on in this world. I DON'T want you to take at face value EVERYTHING you're told in school, in the media, from friends and family. Many times you don't get the whole story.
I am NOT the raging lunatic that many of you think I am.
I DO believe that certain minorities need to pull more of their own weight.
I DO believe that we have a serious problem with illegal immigration.
I DO believe that religion IS a root cause of MANY of the worlds problems.
I DO believe we are in danger from fundamentalist Islam.
I have in the past used exaggerations to bolster my position. I have argued points that were "over the top". I have made blatently disparaging remarks towards peoples, to strengthen my argument.
My intention was always to simply "open your mind" a bit. To get you thinking. To see that there IS another side to most EVERYTHING.
I guess it was kerrys post that got me to thinking.
With 5-6 threads open ALL against me, I decided the time was right to "come clean".
Remember always: Rarely is anything as it first appears and the truth is rarely as simple as it seems.
If I REALLY upset anyone with my remarks, I appologize to you.
This doesn't mean I "give up", or "I lost", you know me better than that! It simply means that I'm aware of my sometimes "insensitivity" towards others and I'm sorry if I caused you undue pain.
I TRULY, NEVER had ANY bad feelings towards ANY of you. Many I respect for your willingness and ability to express your feelings. Some need to work on self expression.
Suzuki10, to you I appologize for taking an honest question and twisting it into a tirade.
I can be VERY insensitive towards others when caught up in a "battle".
Funny thing is, at work everyone loves me, I am VERY friendly, and have a hundred or so fairly close aquantances (of all races/ethnicities/genders). Hmmm, maybe it's the anonyminity here that brings out my devilish side?
Don't think I'm done questioning you! I will STILL make you think. I will continue to challange your ideas/ideals.
Now, GO FOR A RIDE! I am!
joe
Title: An open letter to all from the most hated person at GStwin..
Post by: chinox22x on June 14, 2005, 01:02:06 PM
Post by: chinox22x on June 14, 2005, 01:02:06 PM
joe...i actually like your views, its "the dark side" as i like to call it but...
nvm..i'm not taking the bait :nana:
nvm..i'm not taking the bait :nana:
Title: An open letter to all from the most hated person at GStwin..
Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2005, 01:06:11 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2005, 01:06:11 PM
chino,
No, this isn't a trick... Really... Trust me...
No, this isn't a trick... Really... Trust me...
Title: An open letter to all from the most hated person at GStwin..
Post by: RVertigo on June 14, 2005, 01:10:38 PM
Post by: RVertigo on June 14, 2005, 01:10:38 PM
In other words...
"I'm not as racist and bigoted as you thought... I'm only kinda racist and bigoted."
:roll:
"I'm not as racist and bigoted as you thought... I'm only kinda racist and bigoted."
:roll:
Title: An open letter to all from the most hated person at GStwin..
Post by: chinox22x on June 14, 2005, 01:13:12 PM
Post by: chinox22x on June 14, 2005, 01:13:12 PM
Quote from: joerockerchino,
No, this isn't a trick... Really... Trust me...
all good...like i said before..i got nothing against you as a person. i don't agree with A LOT of your views because they are mostly "self interest" type but I still like a person who expresses their views regardless.
A lot of times you do get caught contradicting yourself which I think fuels others to "hate" you or dislike you. I'm sure its just a forum thing.
I've had people hate me for my views too, but oh well, that's life, you can't please everyone.
When I grow up i'll invent a machine that will hypnotize everyone in the world to give me a penny which would make me a billionaire :thumb:
Title: An open letter to all from the most hated person at GStwin..
Post by: Cal Price on June 14, 2005, 01:29:20 PM
Post by: Cal Price on June 14, 2005, 01:29:20 PM
I don't exactly agree with a lot that Joe has to say but the post that heads-up this thread took balls and that at least deserves some respect.
I agree...GO FOR A RIDE!
I agree...GO FOR A RIDE!
Title: An open letter to all from the most hated person at GStwin..
Post by: 94suzuki500 on June 14, 2005, 01:41:18 PM
Post by: 94suzuki500 on June 14, 2005, 01:41:18 PM
how bout a nice big group hug?....ok...i am going riding.
Title: An open letter to all from the most hated person at GStwin..
Post by: Jake D on June 14, 2005, 02:13:39 PM
Post by: Jake D on June 14, 2005, 02:13:39 PM
Now somebody explain why Old Man Wilson acts like such a shaft!!!
Haa haaa haaaa!!!!
Oh, dude. I crack myself up.
Haa haaa haaaa!!!!
Oh, dude. I crack myself up.
Title: An open letter to all from the most hated person at GStwin..
Post by: Roadstergal on June 14, 2005, 02:22:50 PM
Post by: Roadstergal on June 14, 2005, 02:22:50 PM
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(http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/images/smilies/jack.gif)
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Title: Re: An open letter to all from the most hated person at GStw
Post by: raylarrabee on June 14, 2005, 02:24:22 PM
Post by: raylarrabee on June 14, 2005, 02:24:22 PM
Quote from: joerockerI do want very much for you to open your eyes and see for yourself some of the things that go on in this world. I DON'T want you to take at face value EVERYTHING you're told in school, in the media, from friends and family. Many times you don't get the whole story.
...
My intention was always to simply "open your mind" a bit. To get you thinking. To see that there IS another side to most EVERYTHING.
...
Don't think I'm done questioning you! I will STILL make you think. I will continue to challange your ideas/ideals.
Do you have any idea how condescending you sound? I'm not sure what speaks more poorly of you:
(a) The fact that you seem to believe you are doing people a service by being a jerk on an anonymous online forum,
(b) That you fancy yourself a master of deep thought and rhetoric, or
(c) That you believe you have some ability and/or duty to educate us on the true state of the world and thereby open our eyes and minds.
Please do not mistake this as me "hating" you. I simply pity you that this is how you find pleasure or purpose in your life.
If you truly want to encourage intelligent debate, try engaging in intelligent debate. Being a contrarian bomb-thrower marks you as a small person and severely undercuts your ability to do anything but make people think less of you. If you want to have an honest discussion of personal beliefs, value systems and current events, try being honest and speaking with conviction about something you truly believe in.
Title: An open letter to all from the most hated person at GStwin..
Post by: CasiUSA on June 14, 2005, 02:33:56 PM
Post by: CasiUSA on June 14, 2005, 02:33:56 PM
Soo, basically, to sum up this "Apology"
- You are purposefully antagonistic
- You're still A Racist/Bigot
- You try to get people to "open their minds" to YOUR point of view
- You are well loved by your ethnic friends in spite of your racism.
- You will continue to do this
(http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/images/smilies/jack.gif)
- You are purposefully antagonistic
- You're still A Racist/Bigot
- You try to get people to "open their minds" to YOUR point of view
- You are well loved by your ethnic friends in spite of your racism.
- You will continue to do this
(http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/images/smilies/jack.gif)
Title: Re: An open letter to all from the most hated person at GStw
Post by: pantablo on June 14, 2005, 02:40:19 PM
Post by: pantablo on June 14, 2005, 02:40:19 PM
Quote from: joerockerthe most hated person at GStwin..
dont give yourself that much credit...there have been many before you...
Title: An open letter to all from the most hated person at GStwin..
Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2005, 02:49:41 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2005, 02:49:41 PM
Man, some of you want BLOOD!!!
Title: An open letter to all from the most hated person at GStwin..
Post by: Michael on June 14, 2005, 02:55:24 PM
Post by: Michael on June 14, 2005, 02:55:24 PM
I promised myself (and Joe) that I wouldn't get drawn into any more of these questions.
So I won't.
So I won't.
Title: An open letter to all from the most hated person at GStwin..
Post by: raylarrabee on June 14, 2005, 04:57:04 PM
Post by: raylarrabee on June 14, 2005, 04:57:04 PM
Quote from: joerockerMan, some of you want BLOOD!!!
I don't want blood. I just continue to be curious about the motivations of people who enjoy antagonizing other people on message boards. So far, my only theory is that their real world circumstances do not allow them to be as outrageous as they want to be, and the internet gives them a safe, anonymous forum to "vent" their real world frustrations.
You seem to be the only one who takes this seriously--by that I mean that you seem to take some measure of your self-worth by looking at your ability to incite "debate" in an online forum.
I find picking fights, in general, to be the mark of small men (not speaking of physical stature here), and picking fights online to be the mark or small, unhappy men.
In particular, I find the idea of getting your jollies by coming to a very civil, friendly, and incredible usefull (3 very rare traits in the online world) forum and throwing chum in the water to be both pathetic and counter-productive. This site is a PERFECT compliment to the sport/hobby of motorcycling, and it is a shame that you (and a handfull of others) constantly sully the waters with debate-team-dropout rants about race, religion and other hot-button topics.
Title: An open letter to all from the most hated person at GStwin..
Post by: cernunos on June 14, 2005, 07:35:48 PM
Post by: cernunos on June 14, 2005, 07:35:48 PM
Well...the game may become fun again after all. Love the little twin, Alabama (even with Joerocker in it :lol: ), and this forum.
C........
C........
Title: An open letter to all from the most hated person at GStwin..
Post by: pizzleboy on June 14, 2005, 08:15:25 PM
Post by: pizzleboy on June 14, 2005, 08:15:25 PM
Well, Joe, we do have one thing in common you and I:
We both belong to this board.
I don't mind saying: I'm glad that's it.
We both belong to this board.
I don't mind saying: I'm glad that's it.
Title: An open letter to all from the most hated person at GStwin..
Post by: Blueknyt on June 14, 2005, 10:41:49 PM
Post by: Blueknyt on June 14, 2005, 10:41:49 PM
Quote from: Roadstergal
Hey Gal, seems MR. Bean in your avatar agrees with your smiley
Title: An open letter to all from the most hated person at GStwin..
Post by: Roadstergal on June 14, 2005, 10:43:30 PM
Post by: Roadstergal on June 14, 2005, 10:43:30 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: I didn't notice that.
Title: An open letter to all from the most hated person at GStwin..
Post by: SuZuki10 on June 15, 2005, 04:17:32 AM
Post by: SuZuki10 on June 15, 2005, 04:17:32 AM
Thanks Joe, I was wondering if you even remembered that it was an innocent question that got this whole mess started. Now we can all get this board back to normal... :cheers:
Title: An open letter to all from the most hated person at GStwin..
Post by: Blueknyt on June 15, 2005, 01:19:36 PM
Post by: Blueknyt on June 15, 2005, 01:19:36 PM
oh wait, he was the Black Adder in that costume wasnt he?
Title: An open letter to all from the most hated person at GStwin..
Post by: Roadstergal on June 15, 2005, 01:39:50 PM
Post by: Roadstergal on June 15, 2005, 01:39:50 PM
Yep, Blackadder the Second - but I got what you meant. ;)
Title: An open letter to all from the most hated person at GStwin..
Post by: Phaedrus on June 15, 2005, 02:12:06 PM
Post by: Phaedrus on June 15, 2005, 02:12:06 PM
Joe, you have every right in the world to think what you think and feel how you feel. You owe no one an explanation or apologies. I agree with almost nothing you say, haha, but I also sometimes play devil's advocate so I can see your point. Some people are not open minded enough to deal with that.
It is like the quote, and it is slipping my mind right now who said it, but "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".
:cheers:
It is like the quote, and it is slipping my mind right now who said it, but "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".
:cheers: