http://www.intellectualwhores.com/masterladder.html
due to the nature of this thread...
enter, Roadstergal.... :lol:
i read that site before.. lots of things makes total sense.
This is so not a new concept, while rude in some respects, there is truth to it.
HOWEVER
as with all rules, there are exceptions as well as the relativity to each on how it is interpreted BY each person.
Man, though advanced in many ways, is still an animal that has not been fully understood.
i'll leave it at that
How true...
I went into a LOT of that (motivation of men and women) in my "sexes aren't equal" posts. I said it differently but the jist is the same.
Women just CAN'T seem to understand the different motivations. I guess it's a flaw in their brains, incapable of understanding (or simply denying) some things.
I'd bet on outright denying (lying) about their motivation.
Just another thing they lie about.
Look who's back...
I guess just to pat yourself on the back, huh?
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"I went into a LOT of that (motivation of men and women) in my "sexes aren't equal" posts. I said it differently but the jist is the same. "-Joerocker
I hardly agree with everything said on that website, but I have been an intellectual whore many times and been very close to a cuddle Buddha Loves You once or twice...
An intellectual whore should at least know that "criteria" is the plural of "criterion." :lol: Using big and/or Latinate words when you only vaguely know what they mean is a sure sign of trying to make something with absolutely no factual basis sound credible... not unlike a certain ex-board member.
Quote from: joerockerHow true...
I thought you left... :nana:
Quote from: Roadstergal"criteria" is the plural of "criterion."
This was the clincher for me: "Even Nietzsche knew this." :lol:
I love when people quote good old Freddy... :lol:
Quote from: RoadstergalAn intellectual whore should at least know that "criteria" is the plural of "criterion." :lol: Using big and/or Latinate words when you only vaguely know what they mean is a sure sign of trying to make something with absolutely no factual basis sound credible... not unlike a certain ex-board member.
factual basis set aside, many of us find a good amount of what was written in that web page to be very true
Quote from: '04gs500fQuote from: RoadstergalAn intellectual whore should at least know that "criteria" is the plural of "criterion." :lol: Using big and/or Latinate words when you only vaguely know what they mean is a sure sign of trying to make something with absolutely no factual basis sound credible... not unlike a certain ex-board member.
factual basis set aside, many of us find a good amount of what was written in that web page to be very true
based on experience that is....
Quote from: '04gs500fmany of us
Who? :lol: :P
Quote from: RoadstergalQuote from: '04gs500fmany of us
Who? :lol: :P
Quote from: joerockerHow true...
I went into a LOT of that (motivation of men and women) in my "sexes aren't equal" posts. I said it differently but the jist is the same.
Women just CAN'T seem to understand the different motivations. I guess it's a flaw in their brains, incapable of understanding (or simply denying) some things.
I'd bet on outright denying (lying) about their motivation.
Just another thing they lie about.
Quote from: BlueknytThis is so not a new concept, while rude in some respects, there is truth to it.
HOWEVER
as with all rules, there are exceptions as well as the relativity to each on how it is interpreted BY each person.
Man, though advanced in many ways, is still an animal that has not been fully understood.
i'll leave it at that
Quote from: The_good_guyi read that site before.. lots of things makes total sense.
:? :dunno:
Quote from: RoadstergalQuote from: '04gs500fmany of us
Who? :lol: :P
anyway. its not to start a war with you, like i said, i find many of the things that guy mentions to be self evident.
I obviously don't believe in him when he states that 99.999% of women are bitches etc etc, there are a good number of things that are overblown
it's really difficult to define what you really want.
at some level, i want to have sex with any woman i meet who's at least a 6 or above on a 1-10 scale of physical/basic personality attractiveness.
that said, given the chance, there's a large number of those girls i wouldn't choose to sleep with, because i know that that's not what i REALLY want.
sex is just one part (though an important one) of a really big need that's largely emotional.
if one of my physically attractive female friends were to offer me sex, i'd probably do it. but if i did it, the decision would be largely because of a hope that this could lead to a long-relationship.
so, basically, my sex drive is a huge factor in my life, but ultimately my emotional needs are greater. as a rational being, i can weigh the one against the other and will ultimately tailor my behavior in an attempt to fulfill both, but with greater importance given to emotions.
random sex can fulfill my sex needs (however briefly), but doesn't do much for my emotional needs (and can really undermine them). a good relationship can fulfill both. it seems obvious to me that i should be putting my effort into seeking a relationship rather than flings.
some people (men and women both) seem to be pretty good at separating their sexual and emotional needs. personally, i've found that that doesn't work very well for me.
i can't talk for guys in general. i can only talk for me, but i must assume that deep down we're all pretty much the same.
so, to assess what i skimmed of the linked article, there are a lot of truths there, but i think that the conclusions are flawed.
they are adding 2 and x and getting 4, because deep down the believe (and just assume) that x must equal 2.
they are seeking simple explanations for very complex phenomenon. as such, there's a universe of factors they don't take into account.
cheers,
will
well said
Ach, when three people count as 'many'... :lol: And I am using the loosest of definitions of 'people' possible in order to make it three rather than two. Anyhoo, as Indestructibleman said, there is a thread or two of truth - but when you try to make a sheet set, comforter, bike cover, and area rug with only a thread or two of truth, you end up with a lot of BS gluing it all together. I've seen gender analysis with a lot more truth and a lot less BS that's a lot more worth one's time to read.
Quote from: joerockerWomen just CAN'T seem to understand the different motivations. I guess it's a flaw in their brains, incapable of understanding (or simply denying) some things.
I'd bet on outright denying (lying) about their motivation.
Just another thing they lie about.
aaah, the battle cry of the "man" who probably couldn't get a girl's number from a caller ID.....
zzzinnggg.... :nana:
OK, here is the TRUTH...
Men want to have sex with ALL the women we find attractive. If we had our way we would walk down the street, pick one, and have her right there. The streets would have little "shacks" with a matress. Second best would be owning a harem where we could choose between several women to keep the variety up. Second to LAST is getting married and having ONE woman as much as we want whenever we want. Last is being single and having to find a girl to have sex with at a club, or whatever, and only suceeding ocassionally.
How much money do you guys have to spend to get laid? A bunch! Women are NOT cheap!
Men ONLY care about the "conclusion of the act". Period. We're programmed to "pass our seed". Orgasm is our goal. Why do you think ALL men masterbate? Yes, ALL. We do all that other crap (cuddle, etc.) to keep the woman happy. If we lived in our perfect world and could get any woman we wanted any time, we wouldn't THINK about doing that!
Ideally a perfect life for a man is to hang out with his friends (guys), do manly things, race, drink, fight, etc., and then grab a woman to have sex with when the urge arises.
A woman NEEDS to have a child. It's a part of them as strong as a man wanting to screw women. She wants to have the "alpha" males baby. Or as close as she thinks she can get.
Marriage was invented for WOMEN. Not for men. A woman NEEDS a man to help her raise her child. A woman has been genetically engineered to also enjoy sex because it would be pretty stupid if she didn't since she needs to have sex with her man constantly to keep him interested. You see, a man can be bought. If a woman has sex with him whenever he wants, he'll be more likely stay. If she doesn't, he'll leave and then she's stuck.
This is just the way it is people.
Now, modern society has thrown a wrench in the works. NOW a woman doesn't need a man to survive, there are programs to help her, she can have enough money to not need a man, etc. All this has done is confuse things and people. BUT we still have the programming of millions of years.
hmmm... sounds like virgin-talk to me.... :?
Quote from: joerockerMen want to have sex with ALL the women we find attractive. If we had our way we would walk down the street, pick one, and have her right there. The streets would have little "shacks" with a matress. Second best would be owning a harem where we could choose between several women to keep the variety up. Second to LAST is getting married and having ONE woman as much as we want whenever we want. Last is being single and having to find a girl to have sex with at a club, or whatever, and only suceeding ocassionally.
if that's what you'd like, man, more power to you. there are a lot of us with other priorities, though.
i don't presume to speak for anyone but myself, perhaps you should consider the same.
cheers,
will
Quote from: RoadstergalAch, when three people count as 'many'... :lol: And I am using the loosest of definitions of 'people' possible in order to make it three rather than two. Anyhoo, as Indestructibleman said, there is a thread or two of truth - but when you try to make a sheet set, comforter, bike cover, and area rug with only a thread or two of truth, you end up with a lot of BS gluing it all together. I've seen gender analysis with a lot more truth and a lot less BS that's a lot more worth one's time to read.
and i don't disagree with that, I simply wanted to say that i found some points that were made to be self evident and commonly experienced and/or witnessed on a daily basis.
Quote from: '04gs500fand i don't disagree with that, I simply wanted to say that i found some points that were made to be self evident and commonly experienced and/or witnessed on a daily basis.
The minority, though, and with significantly invalid conclusions reached therefrom. Like I've said, I've seen far, far better gender analysis. Research papers, although they lack the bias and pathos that can make you feel good sometimes, tend to be a better source overall (although every paper has its own assumptions and limitations that need to be taken into account).
Be honest at least ONCE!
Damn man, you're telling me that the FIRST thing you DON'T think of when you see a woman is whether you'd nail her? EVERY REAL man does that. First thing.
What other priorities?
Don't you realize that almost EVERYTHING you do is for sex?
No, I'd say EVERYTHING you do is for sex.
You eat, breath, to stay alive long enough to have sex. Propagation of the species is THE most important job you have. Damn, how stupid ARE you? I mean really, don't you know that? Don't you know that that IS the meaning of life? To reproduce is IT, that's all there is.
I'm dealing with complete idiots here...
I'm STILL in awe over your ignorance...
Before I rest for the trip I'll give some advice to the ladies to help them chose a man that will actually care for them and NOT treat them like crap.
The man you meet who is shy, stumbling his words, kind of nervous... take him, HE actually likes you. HE is nervous BECAUSE he is smitten by you.
The man you meet who acts calm and cool, has the "rap", is the leader of the pack... HE doesn't give a rats ass about you. He wants some kitty cat and then he'll go after your friends too. Avoid him like the plague.
But you know what, you won't. Because you can't. And that's cool with me because I'll take some of that ass... and then throw it away. Because you're always after the bigger better deal. You're AS predictable as men. Dress nice, flash some money, talk down to you like I'd do to my sister, and you're creaming in your pants.
Guys, don't you marry a woman unless SHE pursued YOU in a big way. Otherwise you'll be kissing her ass forever. Just a word to the wise.
BTW, My wife proposed to ME and drove 3,000 miles to do it.
And as they say in show biz: Always keep them wanting more.
Oh, and a man CAN be friends with a woman he does/doesn't want to screw without screwing her IF she can help him get laid. I used to do that with my old roommate. A girl "friend" who is really cool and knows what you want and wants to help you out is a HUGE asset. She is the BEST source of "sex friends", girls who love sex but don't want a relationship. Take my word for it, "sex friends" are GREAT to have!
If you want a woman, be direct in your pursuit. You'd be surprised what you get sometimes.
Man, I wish I knew then what I know now. I'd have been even deeper in the honeys!
Joe, stop lying to yourself and the rest of the board, we all know you've had about as much sex as the rest of your D&D Boyfriends. Maybe if you pretend your William Shatner blow up doll was a real woman, then you'd actually have had real female experience... :roll:
Quote from: joerockerBe honest at least ONCE!
Damn man, you're telling me that the FIRST thing you DON'T think of when you see a woman is whether you'd nail her? EVERY REAL man does that. First thing.
i'm not saying that. however, part of my consideration of whether i'd like to nail her involves imagining the before and after. is this someone i could at least have a conversation with? that's important to me, as i don't wish to completely lose my self respect.
she doesn't have to be brilliant. we don't have to be soul-mates, but she's gotta be someone i'd like to hang out with.
Quote from: joerockerWhat other priorities?
Don't you realize that almost EVERYTHING you do is for sex?
No, I'd say EVERYTHING you do is for sex.
You eat, breath, to stay alive long enough to have sex. Propagation of the species is THE most important job you have. Damn, how stupid ARE you? I mean really, don't you know that? Don't you know that that IS the meaning of life? To reproduce is IT, that's all there is.
the meaning of life is whatever meaning i give it. personally, i think the purpose of life is to be happy. i believe that it is our most fundamental drive to avoid pain and seek pleasure. emotional companionship is an important part of happiness for me.
cheers,
will
As a student of Leykis 101, I have this to offer:
http://webpages.csus.edu/~sac53708/LEYKIS_101_RULES_for_DATING.pdf
will made a lot of sense, i agree i cant seperate that. I am out of the dating game, im not dating, or am i sleeping with random women. If i want to i got a few that i can call up for a BC.
In the end, we men and women want the same things, its sex. regardless of how we do it, we get it from somewhere.
while sex is/has been a strong driving force in my life, ive had some very good looking female friends that i would and have turned down (with gritting teeth and the B.B.Syndrome shortly after) as i valued their friendship more, and sex with them would have ruined the friendship.
HOWEVER! i dont think the gent is completely correct, ive neither money, nor power and have had "Friends with Benefits" that to this day are still my friends even though we no longer have Intimate relations. it would depend on the type of friendship you have/want with another person.