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Take care of yourselves in the London area.

it's horrible what have happened...I hope all of you guys are OK

:dunno:

A little in the dark here...sorry but I do not watch TV or listen to news on the radio.

I didnt know what the post was for at first.. I went to cnn.com to see what was up.

If you are a terror to many, then beware of many.
--Ausonius


Stick together! We can win the war on terror !!!!!!!!  :guns:

Quote from: dgyver:dunno:

A little in the dark here...sorry but I do not watch TV or listen to news on the radio.

But your on the internet right?  4 bombs went off in London during morning rush hour...

For those that dont know...

LONDON:

Subways, buses hit across city; at least 33 dead, 350 hurt

http://www.foxnews.com

More than 30 die in London blasts
     Passengers evacuate an underground train at Kings Cross
A series of bomb attacks on London's transport network has killed more than 30 people and injured scores more. There were three explosions on the Underground - which police said left 33 dead - and one on a double-decker bus in which an unknown number died.

UK Prime Minister Tony Blair, who has returned to London from the G8 summit, has described the attack as "barbaric".
An Islamist website has posted a statement - purportedly from al-Qaeda - claiming it was behind the attacks.
US President George Bush told reporters at the G8 Summit in Gleneagles that "the war on terror goes on."
The Queen said she was "deeply shocked" and sent her sympathy to those affected.

Metropolitan Police Deputy Assistant Commissioner Brian Paddick confirmed 33 people had died in the blasts on the Underground. He said there were 21 confirmed fatalities following the blast at 0856 BST in a tunnel between King's Cross and Russell Square.
There were seven confirmed deaths after a blast in a blast at 0851 BST 100 yards into a tunnel from Liverpool Street station. The train was either a Central Line or Circle Line train. And at 0917 BST an explosion on a train coming into Edgware Road underground station blew a hole through a wall onto another train in an adjoining platform. Three trains were thought to be involved and there were five confirmed deaths so far, Mr Paddick said.
He said it was not yet known how many died in the bus blast at 0947 at the junction of Upper Woburn Square and Tavistock Place.

In other developments:
The officer in charge of policing the G8 summit said many of the 1,500 Metropolitan Police officers in Scotland would be urgently redeployed to London
New Olympics minister Tessa Jowell said celebrations to mark the homecoming from Singapore of the successful London Olympic bid team have been cancelled
Pope Benedict said the blasts were "barbaric acts against humanity" in a message to the Archbishop of Westminster Cardinal Cormac Murphy O'Connor
54 state schools were closed in Westminster
Mobile phone services across London were jammed with all major networks reporting problems as people tried to contact relatives and friends. A spokeswoman for Vodafone said the emergency services were being given priority.

Some 208 casualties were taken to the Royal London Hospital in Whitechapel, with 26 people admitted - 13 are in theatre and another three are in intensive care. The city's St Mary's Hospital said it was dealing with 26 injured people, including four with critical injuries and eight in a serious condition.

    People were screaming and shouting and saying things like I'm dying, I'm dying, please help me.   Ana Castro Liverpool Street Station    Eyewitness reports   

Mr Paddick confirmed police were looking into whether the bus blast was the work of a suicide bomber. But, he added: "It could as easily be an explosive device left on the bus as the work of a suicide bomber. We are not able to determine which it was yet."
London Mayor Ken Livingstone, speaking from Singapore before flying back to the UK, said Londoners would not be divided by a "cowardly attack". He said it was an "indiscriminate" attempt at slaughter with no consideration for age or religion.

All London Underground services have been suspended indefinitely and bus services in central London (Zone One) have been halted.

Early reports had suggested a power surge could be to blame for explosions on the Underground but this was later discounted. Describing the bus blast in Tavistock Square, witness Belinda Seabrook said she saw an explosion rip through the vehicle.
"I was on the bus in front and heard an incredible bang, I turned round and half the double-decker bus was in the air," she said.
She said the bus had been travelling from Euston to Russell Square and was "packed" with people turned away from Tube stops. "It was a massive explosion and there were papers and half a bus flying through the air." she said.

One caller to BBC Five Live said his friend had seen "the bus ripped open like a can of sardines".

WTF is wrong with people!
Damn that sucks. Another reason I do not keep up with the news.

To all the GS Brothers and Sisters of London take care and sorry for your losses

Joe

Hope all you guys were/are/will be OK!

Let's us know you are alright...

*Brat*

yeah, it sucks what happened today. They said its a european al queda group. They attacked them because of their participation in afghan and Iraq War. I feel good sometimes that Canada didnt participate in the Iraqi war. Although we still have some of our troops in Afghan, we wont be going to Iraq.

Quote from: dgyver:dunno:

A little in the dark here...sorry but I do not watch TV or listen to news on the radio.

i don't watch tv nor listen to radio either... and most important: i don't go hunting for terror on the internet.

you know who the real terrorist are? the mass media.
they are the ones spreading all this... and not for information, but for profit (more traffic to them = more $$$).

take care and get well to those close to these issues.

Quote from: stefman722yeah, it sucks what happened today. They said its a european al queda group. They attacked them because of their participation in afghan and Iraq War. I feel good some times that Canada didnt participate in the Iraqi war. Although we still have some of our troop in Afghan, we wont be going to Iraq.

If you disagree with the war in Iraq, and that is why you're glad your country stayed out of the fight, then I say I understand your position.  Staying out of a fight because you think it is wrong is every person's (and country's) right.

If fear of reprisals is why you're glad Canada stayed out, then go to hell, and don't argue with Americans when we call Canadians pu$$ies.  To me, your statement sounds disturbingly like "the british deserved it" for going to war in Iraq.  If you think that terrorists won't strike at you if you don't strike at them, you are simply delusional.  

I know that many people believe that what we are doing in Iraq will not make the world any safer, and they may be right.  But sitting still sure hasn't made it any safer.  When/If the world turns out to be a safer place because of what the US, British and others are doing in Iraq, I hope you take the time to thank the parents of the people who died in the effort to make it that way--soldiers AND civilians--and to reflect on the fact that your country chose to sit on its hands.

We're fighting for Canada's safety, too...you just refuse to admit it.  

But hey, the NHL is back!!

Sory to jack such an importaint thread.. but..

Quote from: stefman722I feel good some times that Canada didnt participate in the Iraqi war. Although we still have some of our troop in Afghan, we wont be going to Iraq.

March 27 2003
"OTTAWA - Ottawa now admits that some Canadian soldiers are in Iraq, even though Canada refused to join the U.S.-led war against Saddam Hussein

http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/20030327181430827

There are troops in Iraq from every country that said "we wont send any troops" When I was in Baghdad just months ago I worked directly with 8 RCAF personnel. Canada just isnt sending whole brigades.. but they have troops right in the heart of Baghdad.

We are all in this together. We need everyone to help put a stop to terror! Even if they are Canadian!  :kiss:

Quote from: raylarrabee
If you disagree with the war in Iraq, and that is why you're glad your country stayed out of the fight, then I say I understand your position.  Staying out of a fight because you think it is wrong is every person's (and country's) right.

But hey, the NHL is back!!

I do disagree with the war since the very beginning. It has nothing to do with the fact that we might get "attacked" if we participate. I never really agreed with all the reasoning thats all. We have fought in many wars alongside of the USA. But IMO, i really do think we did not belong in this one. If lets say Canada would have gone to Iraq, and I was in the army, i would have resigned for sure. It would for sure not be because of fear of death, more for the reason. If it was WWI and Canada would have had a draft (yes, we had one) i would have gone no questions asked, i would have been proud to go. Without the USAs help, if we ever had a war, we would be struggling like crazy, our military is nowhere near as powerful as the U.S. nor will it ever be. So i am for sure not insulting the military either, we would need your help in the event of war. But i do not consider Canadians being pussies for not going to Iraq. Like you said, every country has the right to believe in whether its a war they believe in fighting. I love my country like crazy i would not want to live anywhere else. (i actually like the snow in winter, snowmobiling is the best) Sorry if i had offended you in my statement, and in no way did i want my post to describe the British deserving this for going to war. Our Prime Minister at the G8 meeting today in his statement said "We must and we will stand against these terrorists. We will do so together. And we will prevail." Looks like we might be going after them after all.  :oops: But anyways, yes the most important thing of all, The NHL is most likely back. F*ck ya!!  :cheers: I miss hockey so much. its so sad, i was actually watching reruns of the flames vs tampa. haha.

Quote from: scottpeel
March 27 2003
"OTTAWA - Ottawa now admits that some Canadian soldiers are in Iraq, even though Canada refused to join the U.S.-led war against Saddam Hussein

hmm...i never heard of this to be honest with you, and i watch my cbc news everynight. Must have been drunk on the evening of march 27.  :lol:  :oops:

To all those in England my heart goes out to all there for what has happened yesterday, while watching BBC coverage I was quite amazed to see how calm many people were during the chaos it is great to see during the event England kept its dignity, the terrosists have failed and all your security and rescue services are to be congratulated for their professionalism.
Once again I would like to send my sympathies to all the English for this barbaric act.
On a side note though this may sound a little hollow but congrats on the Olympics and beating us at cricket last night.

Quote from: stefman722I do disagree with the war since the very beginning. It has nothing to do with the fact that we might get "attacked" if we participate. I never really agreed with all the reasoning thats all.

I love my country like crazy i would not want to live anywhere else

"We must and we will stand against these terrorists. We will do so together. And we will prevail."

Cool.  Sorry for flaming...I misinterpreted what you said.  Go Caps!

Quote from: raylarrabee
If you think that terrorists won't strike at you if you don't strike at them, you are simply delusional.  

I don't remember a pre-Iraqi war  terrorist attack on England, but  I have a really bad memory.  Was there one that I'm not aware of?

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and I will be a candidate! LOL

me love you long time  :kiss:

wow! you are cute (I checked your site)  :thumb:
im a latin lover, 5'10", black hair and dark skin...  :mrgreen:

so what was this thread about?

Quote from: Aerospike

Quote from: raylarrabee
If you think that terrorists won't strike at you if you don't strike at them, you are simply delusional.  

I don't remember a pre-Iraqi war  terrorist attack on England, but  I have a really bad memory.  Was there one that I'm not aware of?

It wasn't just americans who died on September 11th.  I think the "final" estimate of British citizens killed was even higher than the 67 listed.
http://www.september11victims.com/september11victims/COUNTRY_CITIZENSHIP.htm

Quote from: raylarrabee

Quote from: stefman722I do disagree with the war since the very beginning. It has nothing to do with the fact that we might get "attacked" if we participate. I never really agreed with all the reasoning thats all.

I love my country like crazy i would not want to live anywhere else

"We must and we will stand against these terrorists. We will do so together. And we will prevail."

Cool.  Sorry for flaming...I misinterpreted what you said.  Go Caps!

Its totally cool man. Didnt hold nothing against you. Misinterpretation could be due to the fact that i am French Canadian. haha. So you like the capitals eh?

Quote from: raylarrabee
It wasn't just americans who died on September 11th.  I think the "final" estimate of British citizens killed was even higher than the 67 listed.

Right, but thy weren't primary targets, they weren't even secondary target. They just happened to either be on one of the airplanes or in the towers.   I'm sure at least one muslim (non-terrorist) was killed on 9/11.  My point is terrorist attacks are acts of vengeance and not just random acts of violence.  I'm not saying 40 people deserved to die today,  I'm really sorry about that,  but at the end it's really Tony Blair who decided to take his country to war, and if Al-qaeda had an airforce, they'd be bombing London, and D.C. if they could get here.  It's a war, there were always be civilian casualties unless everybody on both sides is an active combatant.   Remember, a lot of Iraqi civilians haven't seen a day of freedom as a result of the war, they just saw a missile hitting their house.

Quote from: AerospikeRight, but thy weren't primary targets, they weren't even secondary target. They just happened to either be on one of the airplanes or in the towers.

Untrue.  The World Trade Center was just that:  a center of international trade and banking.  The "target" of the attacks was not simply the U.S.;  it was an attack on the entire Western world--the "supporters of Israel."  Bin Laden, in particular, has explained, before and after September 11th, that his jihad is a battle of Muslims vs. the Christian and Jewish world, not simply the US.

Quote from: raylarrabee
Untrue.  The World Trade Center was just that:  a center of international trade and banking.  The "target" of the attacks was not simply the U.S.;  it was an attack on the entire Western world--the "supporters of Israel."  Bin Laden, in particular, has explained, before and after September 11th, that his jihad is a battle of Muslims vs. the Christian and Jewish world, not simply the US.

Right it's a jihad against the Christian and Jewish world that interferes with their parts of the world and support Israel, and we all know all Golda Meir had to do in 1973 was pick up the phone and call the white house to get loaded tanks delivered overnight.  They haven't targeted Vatican City, the ultimate symbol of Christianity.   Terrorists fight back whoever tries to take them on, and Tony Blair knew how they fought and he decided to put his civilians at risk by taking his country to war.   He's the one responsible for the blood spilled today.  He went to war because of the "link" between Saddam and Al-qaeda.  He should've expected an attack and upped his security.

This is really unfortunate. I don't see how any group on any side would benefit from this sort of an attack.

Hopefully people will recover from this as best as possible.

Peace

Bit of a coincadence that they attacked us just after winning the 2012 olympics, if france had won it i think they would have struck there, looks like they are trying to prove a point, or send some sort of a message.

Don't think they realise that it isnt doing their so called false cause any good, its just making people more pissed off, personally i think they are trying to get people to hate all muslims, so all muslims will turn on us, but they are not getting what they want, peace loving muslims are making a point of condemning them, which is a good thing.

What narks the hell out of me is anything holy is good and caring, so how the hell can you have a holy war.

My sympathies go out to the families of the dead and injured.

This is to the terrorists, you aint done nothing to *uck our spirit, its britain, so  :nana:

Quote from: AerospikeRight it's a jihad against the Christian and Jewish world that interferes with their parts of the world and support Israel, and we all know all Golda Meir had to do in 1973 was pick up the phone and call the white house to get loaded tanks delivered overnight.  They haven't targeted Vatican City, the ultimate symbol of Christianity.   Terrorists fight back whoever tries to take them on, and Tony Blair knew how they fought and he decided to put his civilians at risk by taking his country to war.   He's the one responsible for the blood spilled today.  He went to war because of the "link" between Saddam and Al-qaeda.  He should've expected an attack and upped his security.

          this is Horse $$it!!!!!    That is the same as saying a women deserves to be raped because she wears a skirt  !!!  Straight $hit.  If you are afraid to fight for the freedom, liberty and rights of yourself and others I truly feel sorry for you as you do not understand the sacrifices made by others for your benefit.  Tony Blair commiting troops to fight in afghanistan and Iraq is brave and commendable.  He has the knowledge and foresight to see what will happen if the world sits back and watches and does nothing.  All of the countries that refused to help should be grateful of everyone involved as they are fighting for your freedom!!!  I have many friends in Iraq now fighting for you!!  Fighting to give you to the right to be an ASS...  You should be thanking them for what they are doing.  You should be thanking George Bush and Tony Blair for having the Balls to stand up for a coward such as yourself!!!  

  "HE WHO DOES NOT REMEMBER THE PAST IS CONDEMNED TO RELIVE IT"

I really dont think aguing about who is to blame politics wise for this is very constructive the fact of the matter is wether you support the war or not we are there, and really does the world want to live under shia law and have to convert to islam or pay a toll to live in islamic state (check the Koran its there) i know i dont want to.
War is not a good thing period but sometimes you do have to fight for what you believe in wether you want to or not. Thats what the terroist are fighting for an idealogy so they fight for what they believe in but it is not what we believe in so we must fight back against it. But there idealogy concerns blowing up innocent people and running across boarders when they have to fight real fighters, they are cowards.
And you have to remeber most of these terrorists abroad are not iraqs or afghanies they are saudi, yemeni, sirian etc the west has not invaded there countries they have joined a fight that is not theres to fight. They do not fight for a country they fight for there ideaology and a really poor one at that. So if you like the idea of death by stoning, no rights for women, no music, television or reading except the Koran, a limited diet, poverty and repression keep complaining about the war and politicians face Mecca start praying and maybe your dreams will come true.

(Aerospike this is not directed at you personly but just as a general thought to all but noticed it came right after your reply) :thumb:  :cheers:

Blowing up civilians is cowardly, yes, I never said it was right, but you have to think about the civilians that got blown on the other side too.

Isn't funny when the ideology you fight for the way down the list of the reason's your fighting?

Syrians: Israel got so much help from us when they fought them.
Egyptians: see above.
Saudis: U.S. Military bases in their country.  You wouldn't take that.

My point is, every time you do something you will piss someone off, which is cool, I'm all for doing the right thing regardless of the consequences, but I cannot say that all the shaZam! that's going on in the middle east, not just Iraq, isn't about oil.

Luke, It's all good bro we're just talking  :cheers:

Somebody starts a thread with kind sentiment in mind offering their well wishes to people who have just experienced a terrible tragedy, and you guys turn it into a political pissing match. Tactless morons...

My thoughts and prayers are with all you Londoners out there, be well.  


:cheers:

my two cents,  allowing binladin to live is like putting hitler in a closet with cnn and cable internet.  you have already provided him the means, he already has the motovation, and pretty soon he is going to figure out how to type.

freedom?  "freedom" is a sick joke.  that was lost when the rail road went through. and ever since then americans have ben selling thier  "freedoms" back to the government, for what. "a slice of the pie" "a house and two cars" "the all american dream"  ?  it's all a sick joke.  the railroad closed the west. and cemented the american way of life, "I don't want responsibilty" is the motto now.  

Blair and Bush, ... as a modern day phesant you really have no idea goes on in the kings affairs.  you may be "informed" as you may claim. but it is all force fed  :bs:  designed to stimulate your emotions and keep you in line.  

oil,  you don't still have horses do you?  I wish i did.  then i could be free of the matrix.  

war,  shaZam!, without nukes, I whould be bombing busses too.  why the hell not, gurilla warfare worked in vietnam.   that's my two cents, it's actually worth 1.5 but with the economic inflation and all well just consider it two.

we all are, John. we all are.

Quote from: JohnNSSomebody starts a thread with kind sentiment in mind offering their well wishes to people who have just experienced a terrible tragedy, and you guys turn it into a political pissing match. Tactless morons...

My thoughts and prayers are with all you Londoners out there, be well.  


:cheers:

You are correct :thumb:  :cheers:

My prayers go out to those in london.

as for the arguments, TL;DR.  :thumb:

Davipu, you sir, are correct. that's all I have to say regarding what you said.

As for the rest of the members reading this forum and all the Londoners, I apologize if I got carried away in the conversation, seeing innocent people die sucks no matter what side they're on.

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as for the arguments, TL;DR.  :thumb:

what is TL;DR? :dunno:

Quote from: JohnNSSomebody starts a thread with kind sentiment in mind offering their well wishes to people who have just experienced a terrible tragedy, and you guys turn it into a political pissing match.

If this was a thread about a little old lady being run over by a bus, and then we launched into a geopolitical discussion, I could see your point.  But it's not. Discussions about terrorism and discussions about the causes of terrorism are not separable.  I don't see how talking about the motivations of the cowardly people who committed these--and previous--attacks is either irrelevant or disrespectful.

Quote from: Lukewarm Wilsonwhat is TL;DR? :dunno:

"too long;  didn't read"

First of all, I hope everyone in London is ok.  On a positive note it is good to see people of the younger generation actually giving a $hit about what goes on in the world and not about what is on sale at the frickin gap.  It is refreshing to see this as I have not heard such discussion since I was in college majoring in sociology.  Thank you for inviting my brain to function.  Take care all!

I realize the supposed "war on terror" has been put out as a christianity vs Islam battle, but nothing could be further than the truth.

Religion has very rarely motivated people to attack others, almost always money is what drives men and women to do these sorts of things.

Even the crusades, a supposed battle between two religions was nothing but a money and power fueled war.

If anyone actually (still) believes this war in iraq was one for freedom....you've got a long ways to go. Even bush admitted that one a while ago. The Iraqis at this point are worse off than in any 1 year period under saddam...thats a fact (100k+ civilians were never killed in a one year period. If things will improve...that is something everyone hopes for.

I'm not even going to being to mention that these crazy wahhabis from saudi are US and British funded and supported. These people have been killing actual muslims for years....its just now that they've begun on people from other religions.

Again, all our best hopes for the people in Britain.

my thoughts go out to all the folks in london and the rest of the u.k.
peace ya'll, keep your heads up.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:15 pm
You should be thanking George Bush and Tony Blair for having the Balls to stand up for a coward such as yourself!!!

it's real easy to have the balls to send other people to go fight your battles for you, but then again I guess you would know all about that since you aren't writing from a tent in Iraq. best think before you open your mouth son.

Take care guys..

Someday we will all watch these animals pay for their crimes.. :guns:
:cheers:

Aerospike Wrote:

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I don't remember a pre-Iraqi war terrorist attack on England, but I have a really bad memory. Was there one that I'm not aware of?

Well No 'Muslim' terrorist attacks. There was the IRA of course.

They did a fair bit of bombing London. This is one of the reasons the emergency services seemed to know exactly what to do; they's had a plan on the shelves for exactly this sort of thing for the past 20 odd years.

Also they had a fair go at eliminating the government on one occasion.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/october/12/newsid_2531000/2531583.stm

yeh, itl take more than a few misled radicals to screw with our stiff upper lip, and well done to the emergency services for a job well done, still waiting to hear about a friend who moved down there to work on the underground, not sure which part he was in though

To all the english riders sorry to hear about the second attack It really goes to show you how much gutter trash these terrorists are  :x but at least they failed to do any real damage this time which is good.
So stay safe and alert dont let the Bas***ds get you down :thumb:  :cheers:

Just a side note maybe beating the Aussies at cricket may be a dangerous thing :dunno:

its about time the bluddy police had a shoot to kill policy, 5 shots to the head of one of the arseholes, we should have had the american stance on terror, and get rid of this stupid human rights act, the police in this country can not do anything for the human rights shite.

:thumb:  :thumb:  :thumb:  to those policemen this morning!

I dont understand.. Help me out..

I was under the belief that police in England didn't carry guns..
Now I hear about them putting FIVE bullets in a guy..

Have I been misinformed?

Your 'hood beat bobby will probably be unarmed as are most Brit police, however there are "tactical units" and a group call SO13 who probably did this that are armed as routine. Beat cops in certain sensitive areas have been armed for years, in the Embassy areas and around govt buildings, but the arms are normally concealed. A lot of the police here, where I am working are armed but it is rare to see a gun.

I am very happy to hear Ian Blair the met Police commissioner talking about "murder investigation" and "targeting criminals" rather than getting carried away on some abstract concept of "war on terror" I figure if they do what they are good at, detection, they may get somewhere, indeed already have.