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well said.

in return i offer this (don't know where it's from, but a friend of mine had it printed on a card).

'There is another "nice," a hard-won complex covered in blood and gore "nice."  An existential, steel-willed utterly crucial and necessary "nice."'



a lot of people think nice is weak.  and sometimes it is.  but being nice can also come from strength.

protecting your (drunk) girl friend from rape and pillage is nice.
letting her walk all over you, because in some deep part of your mind you are still hoping that she will have an epiphany and end up with you is just stupid.

the funny thing is that the nice-guys-finish-last saying is even more true than people realize. in several species of monogamous birds (birds are what i studied, i have a feeling this phenomenon repeats itself), a lot of males end up raising someone else's offspring.  it seems that the females of those species are predisposed to separate males into two categories -- breeders and fathers. breeders are the big strong pretty birds with good genes, who father more viable offspring.  however, breeders are averse to raising the chicks. why do so, when the females are lining up?  so after fertilization, the females find a nice stable father-figure, let them fruitlessly copulate, and then let them raise the breeder's offspring.

the cincher is that i read of a similar study of /people/ in england, i believe, where the same exact pattern was followed.  the number of women who admitted to doing just that was staggering, with something likea third of the "fathers" out there raising someone else's kids.

so, to all you nice guys, beware of the girl that says no no no no no yes.

well said!  To all the manipulative biatches :nana:  but to those girls who seen the light  :cheers:

No.  Wait.  I'm an a**hole, I don't want them to see the light!

C

Quote from: chinox22xgirls are just illogical, manipulative bitches..

:cheers:

listen to Leykis 101, changes ones life  :thumb:

:roll:

My boyfriend is the nicest person I know.  He is not only nice to me, my family, his family, and everyone I introduce him to, he is even nice to strangers.  And he is gorgeous.  He is a 100% nice guy.

I think girls who date/sleep with the jerks have personal issues with themselves.  

But what about you shallow guys who wouldn't look twice at a "nice girl" because she's "ugly" or "fat"?  

Lastly, all the excuses you listed are things girls say in hopes of not hurting anyones feelings.  Listen up: "She's just not that into you"

Quote from: SuZuki10:roll:

My boyfriend is the nicest person I know.  He is not only nice to me, my family, his family, and everyone I introduce him to, he is even nice to strangers.  And he is gorgeous.  He is a 100% nice guy.

quit, you are making me blush :oops:

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Quote from: chinox22xgirls are just illogical, manipulative bitches..

:cheers:

listen to Leykis 101, changes ones life  :thumb:

amen brother.. Leykis 101 ROCKS! That reminds me time to turn on 97.1FM.


Suzuki10: My ex will fit into your description of a girl with personal issues. The guys she dated/dating are complete jerks. Well i dont know the latest guy, but atleast visibly he looks normal. Oh well I dont care time for me to move on.

I've noticed that also; the girls that only go for "jerky" guys are extremely immature and lack self-esteem. They have "issues" for sure, self confidence issues, trust issues, maturity issues, and a complete understanding of what what want and need as women.

What they really WANT is a strong, confident man that doesn't take any crap and knows how to be a 'man'. But they mistake the jerky punk's cockiness for the manly confidence they are actually looking for. They can't tell the difference yet because they too, are immature and don't know themselves letalone anyone else.  :cheers:

You read my mind!  thats exactly what i was thinking.

Leykis is a putz.

Take a gander at the stud you are taking advice from.  Rude, narcicistic and ugly...Is it any wonder that women treated him badly?  

(http://www.crocuta.net/Dean/Topic_A_Tom_Leykis.jpg)


Worst of all, he's just not funny.

I like to think I am "a Nice guy ... " with a mean streak ... Rub me the wrong way and you'll pay ... other than that I am nice to even strangers ... even to stray Idiots and squids ... who wander around cluelessly ... Now ironically I think my wife is the same way ... she's good when she's good, but when she's bad ... she's great ... That's what is fun ... And no I dont play that friend game ... usually it gets the equivalent of "you are a lousy idiot who would suck my brain dry ... why would I want such a friend" Thankfully ... I never had too many people want to be my friend ... :lol:
Cool.
Srinath.
Now Chinox - You talk to Joerocker much ... You seem to have gone from regular newbie to pot stirring argument starter ...  :lol:

Quote from: crashwith something likea third of the "fathers" out there raising someone else's kids.

What's wrong with raising someone else's kids?  :dunno:  Adoption is sorely, sorely needed in this time; a family is a collection of people bound by love, not a genetic imperative.  :roll:  We're human beings, not birds.

Quote from: seshadri_srinathI like to think I am "a Nice guy ... " with a mean streak

:thumb:  :mrgreen:

Tough but Fair; Be Sweet, but No BS.  That's the way to be.

Quote from: raylarrabeeLeykis is a putz.

I think shitstain is more accurate...  I used to listen to him all the time...  Then I realized that he only had about 3 show ideas...  Boring.

He was funny from time to time...  And he would...  occasionally...  have good advice.  But, all of his advice is about getting laid on the cheap.

Being a married serial monogamist, his show was never really aimed at me.

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Quote from: crashwith something likea third of the "fathers" out there raising someone else's kids.

What's wrong with raising someone else's kids?  :dunno:  Adoption is sorely, sorely needed in this time; a family is a collection of people bound by love, not a genetic imperative.  :roll:  We're human beings, not birds.

there is nothing wrong with adoption.  there IS something wrong with your wife telling you the kid is yours when he's really your neighbor's.  that third thinks the kids are theirs.

Blood-test!  :thumb:

Solves your problems...  OR makes them worse!   :lol:

Quote from: raylarrabeeLeykis is a putz.

... Rude, narcicistic and ugly...

+1... especially on the ugly part  :lol: ...however...applying some of his advice works...and learning some of his points about women makes a lot of sense

i dont take his points religiously but it keeps me amused 3-7 pm from my sucky job :mrgreen:

Quote from: crashthere IS something wrong with your wife telling you the kid is yours when he's really your neighbor's.

A couple of things...

From your post, it didn't indicate that they specifically didn't tell their husbands.  Do we know that?

If there were no stigma against/resistance to raising a kid who isn't biologically yours, there would be no motivation for the wife not to tell.

how about those who cant afford to drop 800-1200$ for conclusive testing?

there is a difference to meeting a perspective mate with a child and  taking a mate who reproduces with another but claims its yours.

raising someone elses kid is and should be a Voluntary choice. not a deception.

Blood-test!  :thumb:

To clarify, I condemn cheating on one's partner - but I think the whole biological imperative thing is a really bad idea for us at the stage we are in as a species, and I have a problem with the idea that knowingly raising someone else's kid is somehow a lesser act, or that offspring deception is somehow worse than the other deceptions that can be perpetrated.

Can you even imagine what it would be like to find out?  For the father or the kid...

Blood-test...  Then you can tell if you were lied to...  You never have to worry about it.

I know lots of people that raise other people's kids...  But, they all KNOW they're other people's kids.

Quoteor that offspring deception is somehow worse than the other deceptions that can be perpetrated.

ok, im having a hard time fallowing what your trying to say here, so im gonna ask you rephrase this statement in an example just so i cant mistake your meaning


Cuz as i see this statement (i am extremly tired too)

you see other deceptions (lies) worse then be told its your child when the truth behind it is just the opposite?

I certainly hope you're in an honest communication space by the time you marry someone and raise a kid together.   :o

Quote from: Blueknytyou see other deceptions (lies) worse then be told its your child when the truth behind it is just the opposite?

??

i cant ask much clearer then that.


how are you confused?

You see other deceptions lies worse...

then, be told its your child when the truth behind it is just the opposite?

I'm missing some grammar, man, really I am...

How about:

"You see other deceptions (lies)

as worse than being told it's your child, when the truth behind it is just the opposite?"[/list:u]Does that preserve the meaning? :dunno:

I think everyone agrees on one thing here...

Being lied to is bad.

I think it's just the solution that differs...  I say get a blood-test if you think you're being lied to...  You don't even need to let the woman know...  In fact, it's probably better if you don't.

There's nothing like DNA evidence to raise your confidence level.   :thumb:

Quote from: KerryHow about:

"You see other deceptions (lies)

as worse than being told it's your child when the truth behind it is just the opposite?"[/list:u]Does this preserve the meaning? :dunno:

Oh, IC!

No, I mean the opposite; that lies and deceptions to someone you are ostensibly close to and sharing your life with are bad.  There are white lies and there are true, hurtful lies, and the latter has no scale.  They're just all bad.  IMO, if you can't be truthful with the worst with your partner as well as the best, call it off and find another partner.

Untruth escalates.

Again, that's not to say you should dump every last little thing on your partner.  Life is all about balance.  But intentionally withholding something you know he or she will care about is not in the category of restraint.

Quote from: Roadstergalthat's not to say you should dump every last little thing on your partner.

You want to tell my wife that?  :lol:  J/K

being the nice guy can be more painful and destructive than anyone can guess.


i think im done with this thread.

Quote from: Blueknytbeing the nice guy can be more painful and destructive than anyone can guess.


i think im done with this thread.

. yeah being nice is a pain, but is how i was raised, unless a lady pisses me off, then i can be a bit of an ass, but it seems like around here anyway (11k people) the women want the wife beater/ alpha male type. or theyve got more miles on them than my vehicles. that brings up another point, or they are only interested after the know what you own& whatnot, i borrow one friends porsche, cant keep them away, borrow another friends old clunker its like moses parting the red sea, bout the only thing i could find would be the town whore, and in an area this small, those are rare.i get on my mc, same scenario as with the porsche, wtf seems they are somewhat materialistic. not saying that about all. baah i could go on about this all night. prolly time to get drunk? lol :cheers:  :roll:  :lol:  :dunno:

Quote from: raylarrabeeLeykis is a putz.

yeah, i'm skeptical about taking dating advice from a guy who was once arrested for beating his wife, and who has advocated dating girls who were sexually abused as children because they're more likely to put out.

this nice guy bad guy thing really has nothing to do with the males.  its more of the female havign issues.  

believe me..when a girl wants something, she doesn't care if its bad or good...she'll try to get it regardless of what anyone thinks.  that's just how it is.

I normally don't get into these, but I have a special insight into something that was brought up.

My ex-wife cheated and got pregnant.  She didn't lie to me, but I am raising a child genetically donated to by another.  Note I did not say that my boy is another's child.  He isn't, he's my child even if my blood does not run through his veins.  Far more important than that blood is the love and ideals I can give him.  He's 8 now and we're going to be having a talk soon to tell him the truth.  The truth is simple, I may not have donated the genetic material that created him, but in every way that matters I am his father and he is my son.

Sorry to "jack", but too many people can't see past the blood.  Yes the truth should be told, but it shouldn't change any part of the love of a fatherr for his child.

Sorry to "sermonize"

Quote from: ConanLloydHe isn't, he's my child even if my blood does not run through his veins.  Far more important than that blood is the love and ideals I can give him.  He's 8 now and we're going to be having a talk soon to tell him the truth.  The truth is simple, I may not have donated the genetic material that created him, but in every way that matters I am his father and he is my son.

Sorry to "jack", but too many people can't see past the blood.  Yes the truth should be told, but it shouldn't change any part of the love of a fatherr for his child.

:thumb:  :cheers:  :cheers:   :thumb:  

Little bitter, there, chino?   :lol:   I've been jacked over by a guy or two, but I know better than to characterize all guys as manipulative bastards based on the bad ones.  Guys and gals are both humans, and there are good humans and bad humans the world over.

Quote from: PhaedrusI've noticed that also; the girls that only go for "jerky" guys are extremely immature and lack self-esteem.

But as Leykis listeners have heard time and time again is that the women with the lowest self-esteem are usually the most beautiful, because it's not enough to just be a "10", they must still strive to be "perfect" because the feel they are expected to.  Another Leykis tenet is that a woman's beauty is inversely proportionate to her intelligence, meaning(dumbed down) that the "hotter" the woman, the dumber she is.  Beautiful women have never been expected to really accomplish anything except maintain their beauty and will always have somebody willing to support them.  It is generally the ugly women that have had to become educated and  independantly accomplished because they have not been afforded the luxury of the beautiful woman.

Leykis is admittedly like the ugly woman.  He's had to work crappy jobs in small towns for the majority of his life but has finally reached a high level of success, if success is measured by the number of commas inbetween the numbers on the bottom line of your bank account statement.  "I'm hideous!  I'm a one!"  Tom says,  "But my wallet is a 10!"  So the only women that care about money are gold digging whores?  Maybe but Tom also says that they never see a cent of it...they just like to be near it and collect the table scraps and whatever falls on the floor.

Quote from: DomLeykis theory of things

Wow, that guy really is full of shaZam!.

Where to even start?

Well, for openers, with how excessively relative "attractive" is.  Beautiful to a) is OK to b) and ugly to c) and skanky to d).  I am currently really digging a certain guy, and a friend of mine absolutely does not see the attraction.  And I don't get the guys she thinks are swooningly hot.  Ditto for the straight guys I know; some of them go for women I agree are hot, some think a woman is hot who I think is just hideous.  There are no absolutely beautiful people; it's all relative.

And intelligence is something you develop for its own sake, not because you "have" to.  Intelligence, logic, learning; they are all great fun and make this world more interesting.  Screw "have" to.  That's like saying I "had" to learn to ride; I did it because I wanted to.  
I have noted no correlation, negative or positive, between intelligence - practical or academic - and attractiveness.

Man roadstergal ... you nailed it ... A few years ago (When Her photo was every where ... ) I thought that Kathy Ireland - Yes super model Kathy Ireland ... was just plain hideous ... I wont walk across the street to puke on her if she was lying there waiting for my puke ... But Ok fine I have a long history of finding the 10's pretty lameo ... and I'd like someone who's more plainish looking ... Am I glad that Kathy Ireland is now faded into what ever cave she is growing out of ...
Cool.
Srinath.

Quote from: ConanLloyd<snip>
Sorry to "jack", but too many people can't see past the blood.  Yes the truth should be told, but it shouldn't change any part of the love of a fatherr for his child.

Sorry to "sermonize"

I am so glad I dont have to deal with this ... Broad minded as I am ... OK fine maybe I am not ... Everyone that sees me especially working on bikes and stuff ... in an instant says its a carbon copy of my father ... In fact i even think like him and sorta approach most problems like he did evidently ... now here is the kicker ... my father never taught me any of it ... no one did ... I had to have inherited it ... and Its going to be a bit strange if I had someone else teach me to be lets say Florist ... when I want to be a bike mechanic ... Anyway ... I dont see how it makes too much of a difference ... but someone going ... WTF why isn't he learning to arrange flowers ... and instead seems to want to mess around with bikes ... like the neighbor ... doesn't sound right at all ...  :lol:
Cool.
Srinath.

Quote from: RoadstergalWell, for openers, with how excessively relative "attractive" is.

i saw a special on beauty on TLC once (biogeek anyone?).  i learned two interesting things. one, is that beauty is heavily dependent on your culture. so, across the world, the standards of beauty vary widely, i.e. fat vs skinny, etc. the second thing is that across cultures, the subjective "beauty" was very closely linked to symmetry.  so the most attractive faces were those closest to being perfectly symmetrical.

just things to ponder.

Hey, baby... I have one eye on either side of my nose...   :mrgreen:

Leykis sounds like a clueless ass.  :roll:

I've known countless women that are both extremely attractive, with intelligence and a healthy level of self esteem. I've seen no link between physical attractiveness and intelligence. I've also known some women that are homely in both appearence AND intelligence.

I HAVE noticed a direct link between PERSONALITY and ATTRACTIVENESS.

In GENERAL, most of the more physically attractive girls I've encountered were also the most BORING. They got through life relying on LOOKS, not SUBSTANCE. And there is nothing worse than dating a beautiful but BORING woman. It would be better to look at a picture, and save yourself the drama of dealing with her crap.

Quote from: RoadstergalHey, baby... I have one eye on either side of my nose...   :mrgreen:

that's why you're just so darn sexi  ;)

Leykis is full of shaZam!?  He's a clueless ass?  Well, are you guys self-made multi-millionaires?  Do you guys have throngs of followers that hang off your every word and parrot you in motorcycle forums?  I didn't think so.  He's built a better mouse trap than you.  Have fun casting stones from your glass houses.

Roadstergal, your friend is probably lying.  She just doesnt want you to think that she finds him attractive...either that or he's just plain ugly...which happens...but then again I have a cousin that is mentally retarted and she has a boyfriend that has a similar condition.  They aren't the most beautiful people on the planet but they dig the hell out of each other so what do I care.   They're happy.  So you aren't married?  Am I suprised?  Just kidding.  I'll quit.  

Srinath, I think Kathy Ireland is hot...I've never seen her in person but I have seen other supermodels in person and see why they are supermodels.  You would agree and would definitely not kick her out of bed.

Quote from: DomLeykis is full of shaZam!?  He's a clueless ass?  Well, are you guys self-made multi-millionaires?  Do you guys have throngs of followers that hang off your every word and parrot you in motorcycle forums?  I didn't think so.  He's built a better mouse trap than you.  Have fun casting stones from your glass houses.

Oh really?...so anyone who has money, fans, and people talking about them should be considered "Gods" in whatever field they are in to us "average" people.  Okay, so on that note any actor, sports player, political leader, CEO of a big company, etc. are just great people. Not true-your theory and reasons for saying Lykis is not full of shaZam! or an ass are just stupid.  Look at Howard Stern-he has a huge following and is a millionaire, but does everyone think he's not full of shaZam!? No.  You, my friend, need to wake up before you end up with a tall, skinny, blonde who can't add 2+2 OR have a conversation with you about anything but make-up.   :roll:

Quote from: DomLeykis is full of shaZam!?  He's a clueless ass?  Well, are you guys self-made multi-millionaires?  Do you guys have throngs of followers that hang off your every word and parrot you in motorcycle forums?

Yes.  Yes. No.  And No.

any other questions?

just because someone's rich doesn't mean they're not full of shaZam!.  i mean, really, i've listened to the guy (i've got a friend who's a big fan).  all he does is exploit the insecurities and fantasies of clueless males.  ok, maybe he's not so much clueless (it's very possible that he doesn't believe the drivel he's peddling) as slimy and useless.

Quote from: Dom
Srinath, I think Kathy Ireland is hot...I've never seen her in person but I have seen other supermodels in person and see why they are supermodels.  You would agree and would definitely not kick her out of bed.

Oh no Dom ... and you kiss your mama with that mouth ...  :lol:
Anyway ... I will kick her out of my bed even if I was a second from a finish and somehow the girl I was with turned into KI, cos I aint knowingly getting into bed wiht her ... I dont find her un attractive ... I find her repulsive ... There are some super models I find un attractive ... It doesn't appeal to me ... but I'd concede that they are beauties ... Naomi/Tyra, Cindy Crawford ... heck that mole needs a damn zip code ... but I'd very definitely see why many people will oooh and aaah ... Christy Turlington and Claudia Schiffer I am attracted to ... Oh yea I also dont like Giselle that much, not repulsive ... but just more like OK you're a super model Huh ... And No I dont culturally think super skinny women aren't attractive ... but I am a face guy ... I have to like their face else its not going to make an impact on me. BTW KI's face looks like an anvil was dropped on her ...
Cool.
Srinath.

The way I've always seen it is there are certain absolutes and shades of grey in between. A idea / concept can stand on it's own, and does not need a speaker with any credentials whatsoever to hold truth. It is not the messenger that gives the message truth. Therefore, it doesn't matter if the speaker of that truth is rich or poor, well known or unknown, it makes no difference in the grand scheme of things.

A king could say the world is flat, and a peasant could swear it is round.

Who is right?  :roll:

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Quote from: DomLeykis is full of shaZam!?  He's a clueless ass?  Well, are you guys self-made multi-millionaires?  Do you guys have throngs of followers that hang off your every word and parrot you in motorcycle forums?  I didn't think so.  He's built a better mouse trap than you.  Have fun casting stones from your glass houses.

Oh really?...so anyone who has money, fans, and people talking about them should be considered "Gods" in whatever field they are in to us "average" people.  

I don't consider anyone a "god".  I'm not religious, though I respect Leykis' ability to appeal to the masses and how he has made an extremely successful career out of being a "know-it-all".

Quote from: indestructiblemanall he does is exploit the insecurities and fantasies of clueless males. ok, maybe he's not so much clueless (it's very possible that he doesn't believe the drivel he's peddling) as slimy and useless.

So basically what you are suggesting is that since I respect Leykis and his "drivel" that I am "insecure" and "clueless" and all in all you are better than me.  Well I think you could have just said "I am better than Dom."   That would have been the far less passive aggressive approach.  Do you always have a hard time discerning and voicing what they are actually trying to say?  Well I congratulate you on being better than me.  

Srinath, I'm extremely disappointed in you.  You didn't mention Heidi Klum.   :nono:

I am better than Dom. :mrgreen:

Quote from: Domyour friend is probably lying.  She just doesnt want you to think that she finds him attractive...either that or he's just plain ugly...

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

That's pretty funny...

People find different things attractive...  It's pretty simple.

I agree with the Cathy Ireland thing...  She just isn't that hot.  There are tons of other stars that I don't see why people think they're attractive at all....

On the same note...  I REALLY don't see why people thing that anorexic women are attractive. :dunno:  I like ass and fun bags and hips and lips...  I like women that look like women, while some men think women that look like starving little boys or gray aliens are attractive. :dunno:

Quote from: DomLeykis is full of shaZam!?  He's a clueless ass?

I wouldn't say that.  He has good advice for single men that are looking to get laid on the cheap and not deal with long term relationships...  I mean, who knows more about getting women to sleep with him than a really f-ugly fat guy?

Hey... That's great.  There's just not enough single men looking to get laid on the cheap and not deal with long term relationships out there. :thumb:

As for the women that fall for that shaZam!...  Eh...  Hopefully they'll get some self esteem. :dunno:

Quote from: RVertigoOn the same note...  I REALLY don't see why people thing that anorexic women are attractive.

One of the most polarizing women on the current scene is Paris Hilton; I have friends who think she's hot, and that just boggles my mind.  And I have friends who... to borrow a George Carlin line - "I wouldn't f%$k her with a stolen duck!"


Oh, the rest of this is too funny... where to start...

Quote from: DomDo you guys have throngs of followers that hang off your every word and parrot you in motorcycle forums?

Yes.    They're called 'minions,' BTW.  :lol:

Quote from: DomHave fun casting stones from your glass houses.

That's a charge of hypocrisy - and how am I being a hypocrite by saying that what you distilled as Leykis's mantra is a bunch of shaZam!?

Quote from: DomRoadstergal, your friend is probably lying.  She just doesnt want you to think that she finds him attractive...either that or he's just plain ugly...which happens...

We're bosom buds.  We share everything and are always honest wth each other, even when that means we have to be brutally honest... and we just have our switches flipped by different things.
And I really, really, really hope you'd say he's plain ugly if you ever see him - it would disturb me to no end if you found him sexually desireable.   :o

Quote from: DomSo you aren't married?

Neither is Leykis, from what y'all are saying.   :lol:
Nope, what's the hurry?  I'm 28, and my priority right now is to get my doctorate and enjoy my spare time.  If the right person comes along, I'd marry, but I'm certainly not going to marry just because I have a timeline for it.  Marrying, like the general attractiveness question, is very personal, and I just haven't met the right person yet.  I've met some very cool guys and had a lot of fun with them, and I've tended to stay friends when we find we're not the share-life-as-partners pair.
I'm not going to look for someone that society says is the consensus for attractiveness and marry him!   :lol:  
I do hope you got lucky when you met your wife and found your ideal mate quickly, and didn't marry her to meet some internal timetable.

Quote from: DomI have seen other supermodels in person and see why they are supermodels.

While I said earlier that attractiveness and intelligence are uncorrelated in my experience, I will say that those who derive their income from their attractiveness tend to be very much on the lower end of the intelligence scale.  Making money from attractiveness is dull work, and intelligent people like to use their brains.  So they tend to find a means of employment that uses said brains.

Quote from: RoadstergalOne of the most polarizing women on the current scene is Paris Hilton; I have friends who think she's hot, and that just boggles my mind.  And I have friends who... to borrow a George Carlin line - "I wouldn't f%$k her with a stolen duck!"

She is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO UGLY!

Plus she's a waste of space...  She's a slutty rich-Buddha Loves You that's famous for being a slutty rich-Buddha Loves You...

BLEH!!  Her and the other gray aliens (Allie McBeal is their leader) should get back on the mother ship and go back to planet popsicle-head where they belong.

Ja, if she were ugly and a good and helpful person, that would be one thing, but she's hideous in soul as well as body - what a waste of perfectly good oxygen.

Quote from: RoadstergalJa, if she were ugly and a good and helpful person, that would be one thing, but she's hideous in soul as well as body - what a waste of perfectly good oxygen.

OK, I totally agree with that... but being male, I've always said she's rich, slutty, and hot... whats not to like? :lol:   Its not that I like her, because like you said she is a waste, but I still just can't seem to look away.

But on the topic of models, there is none better in my book that Christie Brinkley circa the first National Lampoons Vacation... :o

Beauty is not entirely relative.  

For example: everyone must agree that Scarlett Johanon and Eva Mendes are perfectly beautiful.

See?  I rest my case!

Scarlett Johansson is lovely, but I have male friends who just don't see it.  I don't think Eva is attractive.

On the male side, I can't stand Bruce Willis's looks (although he has been compared to Jason Statham, who I think is attractive).  I think Adrien Brody is very attractive, but a lot of my straight female and ghey male friends think I'm nuts.

Apropos of nothing, Guy Pearce =  :thumb:

I like women of all kinds.  thin, thick, curvacious, whichever....  as long as they got 1 thing... :mrgreen:

wow, that post made me sound like a whore.. :dunno: oh well

Quote from: gikim1118I like women of all kinds.  thin, thick, curvacious, whichever....  as long as they got 1 thing... :mrgreen:

"There are a number of mechanical devices which increase sexual arousal, particularly in women. Chief among these is the Mercedes-Benz SL500."

-Variously attributed to PJ O'Rourke and Lynn Lavener

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Quote from: gikim1118I like women of all kinds.  thin, thick, curvacious, whichever....  as long as they got 1 thing... :mrgreen:

"There are a number of mechanical devices which increase sexual arousal, particularly in women. Chief among these is the Mercedes-Benz SL500."

-Variously attributed to PJ O'Rourke and Lynn Lavener

how about?

That front nose design makes me think of a baboon.  Mercs don't do it for me in any sense.  I prefer light, nimble cars.

You drive up to my house in that baby and you just might get me... :lol:  :lol:

Hey Suzuki10 - you are from woodbridge?  I used to live in jersey.  in watchung, NJ before I moved out to Ohio.

Quote from: RoadstergalMercs don't do it for me in any sense.

"Merc" is the common abbreviation for Mercury...not Mercedes.  If you dont believe me go ask your dad.

In response to your previous statements and questions:

A)   You are a hypocrite because you aren't perfect(nobody is... remember?) but you can sit up there on your throne like you are and bash Leykis.  This makes you no better than him...and a hypocrite.

B)  I'm not ghey but I can tell the difference between an ugly guy and a good-looking guy.  Who is so retarted that they can tell who their competition is?  Women are the worst about hating girls that are hotter than them.  My girlfriend got pissed at me because one of the Sea Gals(a Seahawks cheerleader) applied for an intern position where we would be working side by side all day.  When I told my gf that I was considering hiring her just so I could have some eye candy around she flipped.  If she were cool and selfless she would put my happiness first, like a good woman should.  But that would be one hell of a woman that would be so giving...one hell of a Morman woman.   :mrgreen:  American are the most jealous women on the planet IMHO.

C  )I'm not married.  Like you, I am choosing to establish my career before I get  a serious relationship.  Women just want you to spend all your time with them and dont understand the importance of working long hours beside a Sea Gal.  

For those of you that dont think those cheerleader bimbos can be hot, I have provided a link to the 2005 Sea Gal Squad photos.  She's Leona, second squad down, second from the left....and yes, they're fake.

Roadstergal, do beautiful girls make you feel jealous?

...

have no clue how this thread into this....  :roll:

Quote from: Dom"Merc" is the common abbreviation for Mercury...not Mercedes.  If you dont believe me go ask your dad.

I believe I have definitely read Mercedes referred to as "Mercs" in both Car & Driver and Road & Track. I dunno if it's just a regional thing.:dunno:  

Quote from: Dom
In response to your previous statements and questions:

A)   You are a hypocrite because you aren't perfect(nobody is... remember?) but you can sit up there on your throne like you are and bash Leykis.  This makes you no better than him...and a hypocrite.

B)  I'm not ghey but I can tell the difference between an ugly guy and a good-looking guy.  Who is so retarted that they can tell who their competition is?  Women are the worst about hating girls that are hotter than them.  My girlfriend got pissed at me because one of the Sea Gals(a Seahawks cheerleader) applied for an intern position where we would be working side by side all day.  When I told my gf that I was considering hiring her just so I could have some eye candy around she flipped.  If she were cool and selfless she would put my happiness first, like a good woman should.  But that would be one hell of a woman that would be so giving...one hell of a Morman woman.   :mrgreen:  American are the most jealous women on the planet IMHO.

C  )I'm not married.  Like you, I am choosing to establish my career before I get  a serious relationship.  Women just want you to spend all your time with them and dont understand the importance of working long hours beside a Sea Gal.  

For those of you that dont think those cheerleader bimbos can be hot, I have provided a link to the 2005 Sea Gal Squad photos.  She's Leona, second squad down, second from the left....and yes, they're fake.

Roadstergal, do beautiful girls make you feel jealous?

A. Sorry, that is just plain absurd. If you disagree with a person, you do not need to be perfect for that to be valid.

B. Your girlfriend has a right to be pissed. First off, hiring a woman just because she looks good is both a waste of your company's money, and a disgrace to hard-working people everywhere- men AND women. Secondly, how would you feel if your girlfriend told you she would be hiring a bunch of good looking dudes just so she could have something to look at at work? A little inadequate maybe? And American women are jealous- but Latina women, in my experience, have been more jealous.

C. How you could generalize women like that shows that you either have never had a decent girlfriend, or have a horribly skewed vision of what a relationship is.

On the link- can't disagree with you there- hot  :thumb:

Relationships are two way streets. If a woman is expecting you to spend all your time with her and no one else, then perhaps you should consider leaving her- vice-versa for men who expect the same. Sharing a major part of my life with a woman is exactly what I just said: sharing. I would expect the same respect from her that I give to her. If it doesn't reciprocate from her, that would be the end of it, and if I don't respect her equally, I would expect the same.
In my OPINION, Leykis is a jerk, and it baffles me how that man is not still a virgin. It's just an OPINION- Just like his OPINIONS on women.

Quote from: DomSrinath, I'm extremely disappointed in you.  You didn't mention Heidi Klum.   :nono:

Man I cannot mention the women I am attracted to ... that list is faaar too long ... in this league of women I can only mention the disgusting, the cold and the lukewarm's ... BTW HK is in the hot category (not super hot like Christy T). In fact I just said some of the first 2 and 2 of the hotties IMHO. When did that make any diff anyway ... Now I'd like to know which one of these can make my virago run without making that noise ... I might have her over for dinner ... Seriously that's the use I have for a supermodel ...
Cool.
Srinath.

Oh, and my personal favorite: Natalie Portman- Absolutely gorgeous, brilliant actress, classy when she needs to be, playfully cute when she wants to be and an Ivy League grad- what more could a man ask for?

Quote from: DomLeykis is full of shaZam!?  He's a clueless ass?  Well, are you guys self-made multi-millionaires?  Do you guys have throngs of followers that hang off your every word and parrot you in motorcycle forums?  I didn't think so.  He's built a better mouse trap than you.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that there is an almost boundless market for programs targeted at loser guys with low self-esteem.  Figuring out how to pander to that market is just as easy:

• Make them identify with you by admitting that you used to be a loser, too.
• Make them idolize you by telling them that you overcame looserdom and are now "cool"
• Find an easy target to cast as a villain that you can hate together and blame for your own shortcomings;  in this case, women.
• Fabricate an explanation for why your chosen group is evil, and explain how you can defeat these villains.
• Invent a mantra and repeat it ad infinitum
• Solicit testimonials from real "average Joes" who have adopted your belief system, followed your mantra, and overcome their own loser status.
• repeat.
  
  It's the same thing a cult leader does:  they latch onto a group of weak people, demonize some group(s) that the weak people are familiar with, and replace the weak people's belief system with one where the cult leader is cast as a deity.
  
  So, yes, Leykis is smart for being a good little capitalist and taking advantage of a HUGE open market:  loser men, age 18-35, who are unsuccessful with women.   But his philosophy is just plain poo on a stick.
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Quote from: DomI'm not married.

Quote from: DomSo you aren't married?  Am I suprised?

Quote from: DomHave fun casting stones from your glass houses.

:lol:

Quote from: DomYou are a hypocrite because you aren't perfect(nobody is... remember?) but you can sit up there on your throne like you are and bash Leykis.

I wasn't on the throne when I posted that.  ;)  Now, if I were in the habit of bashing guys the way Leykis bashes women - then I would be a hypocrite.  But since I don't, I'm perfectly free to say he's full of shaZam! without hypocrisy.

Quote from: DomI'm not ghey but I can tell the difference between an ugly guy and a good-looking guy.  Who is so retarted that they can tell who their competition is?

Trust me - you're not competition with any guy I'm interested in.   :)

Quote from: DomRoadstergal, do beautiful girls make you feel jealous?

If you'd read any posts of mine in this thread, you'd know the answer.   :dunno:

Quote from: DomWhen I told my gf that I was considering hiring her just so I could have some eye candy around she flipped.  

Really?  How suprising! :lol:

my hottest chic list...kinda biased to latin women but oh well

Salma Hayek - got a kiss from her and a hug when i was 20...fell in love with her since then.  you cannot appreciate her beauty until you see her face to face.

jessica alba - need i say more? this girl's just damn hot.

jessica biel - hot for a white chic  :mrgreen:

kristin kreuk - i dunno...she's hot in a way that there's something about her.

scarlet johhansen - blond... :drool:

Salma was good in Dogma.   :thumb:

Hmm, that has a ring to it...

Quote from: DomWho is so retarted that they can tell who their competition is?

Hmm, that might illustrate a very fundamental difference.  Men are "competition" for you if partnership is seen as a competition for scarce resources.  For me, partnership is about meeting someone I click with, so other women are just other folk I know, not "competition."

Thinking of finding a mate as a competition that one can win...
Listening to Lykis...

These are things that go hand in hand...  Right along with trying to get laid on the cheap without dealing with the hassles of a relationship.  

Thinking of women as sperm receptacles usually goes right along...




But, I'm married...  What the hell do I know?

might be a stupid question but..

who the f%$k is leykis?

also, if someone is getting some advise to try to get laid or to try to land a woman, its kinda stupid in my opinion.  

just because it worked for the guy giving the advise doesn't mean it will work for you.

point is...grow your own balls to ask a woman out.  hell sometimes all you need to be is up front.  "hey, wanna have sex" works sometimes.  if a woman wants you for sex, it doesn't matter what you say to her...hell you can say "george bush is stupid" and she'll get in your pants if she really wants you.

finding a lifetime partner is a completely different animal though.  good thing i'm not ready for that yet.  i'm too selfish for that still, not to mention i can't afford to have my luxuries taken away from me.

flame on.

Quote from: Dom
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For those of you that dont think those cheerleader bimbos can be hot, I have provided a link to the 2005 Sea Gal Squad photos.  She's Leona, second squad down, second from the left....and yes, they're fake.

Roadstergal, do beautiful girls make you feel jealous?

Fake ... forget fake ... They look like they're made of concrete ... reinforced ...  :lol:
Cool.
Srinath.

Quote from: Dom

Roadstergal, do beautiful girls make you feel jealous?

The answer depends on who's asking the question ...  :lol:  ...
The answer is always yes, but she will be able to supress it on occassion ... and not on others ... In the 11 years I been married ... I have gotten my wife jealous exactly twice ... neither was for the way the other girl looked ... my wife has a cow ... when I start talking bike stuff to her ... She very much knows a guy who finds super models repulsive is fairly immune to womanly charms of a commoner ... :lol: ...
Here is another kicker ... That whole Natalie Portman being hot thing ... Of late my fave has been Julianne Moore ... The ability to act really supercedes looks and the role she plays is what you fall for ... But I can see that Natalie portman angle too, I didn't see nothign except Star wars ... and The professional from back in 93-94 ...
Here is my favorite phrase ... 1994 had 2 great movies ... The professional and Terminal velocity ... (BTW Forrest Gump also was 1994 ...) Hated it ...
Cool.
Srinath.

The Professional was a ^%@$ing AWESOME movie.  8)  8)  8)

Ok another great movie everyone should watch is Kinsey.  But..... when someone meets me I would rather them say or think wow that Amanda what a neat person she is I like to get to know her better.  It's great if someone thinks I am beautiful but if that was the only thought of me then I can guarantee you I would not end up dating them.  And kudos to all of you who want to do your own thing and concentrate on your careers before marriage because in my opinion and this is only my opinion most of us really aren't mature enough to be in a long term relationship until we are 25.  This past statement includes myself.  Peace

Quote from: seshadri_srinathThe answer is always yes, but she will be able to supress it on occassion

Honestly - I only get jealous when someone is effectively stealing a proximal spotlight; I'm competitive/an attention whore.  But that's as likely to be a man as a woman!

BTW, I have a flange and an exhaust that doesn't feel as heavy as the stock one increasing the horsepower of my floor right now... I'm pissing off the neighbors smoothing out the weld with my poseur dremel.  Those allen screws are a Buddha Loves You; I'm borrowing a friend's impact tomorrow.  Backup bikes are Good Things.

I wish I had a flange..... :P

Quote from: DomSo basically what you are suggesting is that since I respect Leykis and his "drivel" that I am "insecure" and "clueless" and all in all you are better than me.  Well I think you could have just said "I am better than Dom."   That would have been the far less passive aggressive approach.  Do you always have a hard time discerning and voicing what they are actually trying to say?  Well I congratulate you on being better than me.  

it doesn't take much effort.

Quote from: RoadstergalOne of the most polarizing women on the current scene is Paris Hilton; I have friends who think she's hot, and that just boggles my mind.  And I have friends who... to borrow a George Carlin line - "I wouldn't f%$k her with a stolen duck!"

Paris Hilton looks like a bad southeast asian knock-off barbie doll.  one where they were working off a third generation bootleg mold.  she looks like idealized beauty assembled by the lowest bidder.

Quote from: CasiCUAOh, and my personal favorite: Natalie Portman- Absolutely gorgeous, brilliant actress, classy when she needs to be, playfully cute when she wants to be and an Ivy League grad- what more could a man ask for?

Michelle Yeoh.