To quote Joerocker " The GS is GREAT for what it is and a full blown sport bike it isn't". Who agrees, disagrees, and why?
Personally, I think the GS is a great sportbike. Just because it isn't the fastest/lightest/most advanced/etc/etc/etc, does not mean it is not a great sport bike.
That is like saying volleyball is not as good of a sport as cross country running, or softball is not as good of a sport as soccer. Volleyball is not any less of a sport because you don't run like you have a fire under your ass.
The American obsession with SPEED and POWER makes me think some people are comphensating for something. :roll:
Thoughts?
I have ridden many other bikes including Honda sport bikes, metric crusers, and Harleys.
The GS is a fine bike. I would agree that it is not the most technically advanced bike around, and obviously does not have the power my VFR had, but for what it is, and esp. mine with a re-jet and a wylieco it is defenately a fun bike to ride.
I would say it's a sporty bike but I don't consider it a sportbike. There is a difference there ;)
it's a standard bike, not a sport bike, not a supersport bike. with that in mind it's a great bike. now put a good rider on her and you will smoke 600's in the twistys.
what joe and most of the rest of america dosn't understand is that if you can't push the suspention to the max you have no business pushing the motor. HP is a cruch for the weak and a bad excuse for skill. I have yet to see a road ware I could leagely push a 600 sport bike, let alone a supersport. so what's the point?
Quote from: davipuwhat joe and most of the rest of america dosn't understand is that if you can't push the suspention to the max you have no business pushing the motor. HP is a cruch for the weak and a bad excuse for skill. I have yet to see a road ware I could leagely push a 600 sport bike, let alone a supersport. so what's the point?
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this is from wikipedia:
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SPORT BIKE - A sports bike as a type of motorcycle more commonly known as a crotchrocket. Sports bikes usually have a more streamline, aerodynamic design. The footpegs are located further back than conventional motorcycles, which enable the rider to position themselves in a lower more aerodynamic stance. Another typical characteristic is the ability to travel at extreme speeds. Some sports bikes can top out at approximately 260 km/h (160 mph).
CROTCH ROCKET - Crotch rocket is a slightly derogatory term for a sports bike. The name is derived from the way the rider sits on the bike and the speed of the bike. A sports bike's foot pegs and shifter are located further back than conventional motorcycles; this puts the rider in a position that is more streamlined and aerodynamic and places the rider's crotch in very close contact with the seat.
RICE ROCKET - A rice rocket is a derogatory term used to deride Japanese-made sports bikes. The term is derived from the speed of the motorcycles (rocket), and the "Japanese" nature of the vehicles (rice). Usually, people that use this term believe that American and/or European vehicles are superior to Japanese made vehicles.
so by these qualifications, I would say no, the GS is not a sport bike, or any of the other nicknames for a sportbike. The GS500f comes closer then the GS500e, and I think it is debateable whether the "F" is a sportbike, especially with a set of clip-ons, exhaust (aftermarket). I would say that an "e" bike is more akin to a cafe racer then a sportbike.
The main benefit to the GS not being a sport bike is the lax treatment by most insurance companies.
Guys I work with typically call it a crotch rocket, ricer rocket and the other names.
The F model is sportier looking than the older ones but is the looks that makes ita crotch rocket? :dunno:
I'd say it is a a so called sport bike, but don't let my insurance company know.. Okay?
A salesman once told me that first look at the handle bars.
Clip-ons below the triple is more supersport, clip-ons above or on top of the triple is a sport and the style like the GS is a sport touring. Another salesman made the comment that the lower the bars the higher the insurance then he started laughing, he was pretty close.
On Suzuki web site, GS500F is considered to be a sportbike. I believe it IS a sportbike. People call Ninja 250 a sportbike, why not Suzuki GS500F?
Definitions change over time. For example, this steed was considered Suzuki's top-of-the-line sportbike when I bought it.
http://www.suzukicycles.org/photos/suzuki-history/1983/1983_GSX750E4_450.jpg
Now, it most closely resembles a Bandit, so is probably a standard by today's measure.
I rode my standard down to the Canyon today, pretending it was still a sportbike.
I passed a light SUV just as the twisties were getting serious. He didn't go away, though. He must've thought this squid was going to put on a show dragging a knee or scraping the pegs or something. In actuality, I've been cautiously tiptoeing around on big red all season as it's my only runner at the moment. Plus, I definitely wasn't feeling it yet.
What I was feeling was a twinge irate because the Canyon has miles and miles of blind corners, off camber corners, decreasing radiuses, trees, cliffs, RV's and pickups pulling boattrailers, tarsnakes, sometimes everything at once, and a novice or newcomer could easily get in over his head from the pressure the SUV driver was applying. Of course, I could just let him pass, but, naaahhhh.
Concentrated on keeping my grip on the bars relaxed--countersteering / trail braking / back on the throttle early. Reminded myself to breathe thru my nose. Concentrated on the road--picking apex markers again and again--keeping one eye out for trouble because the road ain't the track.
Finally, the route above the reservoir opened up enough to let the inline-4 stretch its legs a bit and I peg the throttle in 4th gear and it moans until it spools up and begins to wail and as I crest an uphill righthander there's the sheriff coming at me with his lights flashing and he's motioning me to pull over down by the dam! No, no, no, no.... :(
The sheriff, an old timer, says, do you know what the speed limit is? I say, 35 MPH? He says 25 MPH and that I was doing 60-to-70 MPH. I say, come on! That's a dangerous road! You can't go that fast up there! He says he already ticketed a couple kids doing 70 MPH and he knows what these machines are capable of. He says if I was only going 10 over the limit he'd let me off, but he insists that I was doing 65-to-70. He stands there studying my card, writing in his book, and shaking his head for another minute, then hands me back my card and sternly says YOU'D BETTER SLOW IT DOWN!
So I'm off scottfree. Perhaps he noticed that my drivers license had expired 6 months ago and didn't want to get me in trouble that deep. THANK YOU, SIR! :)
Okay, sorry for the ride report. Interestingly, the official Suzuki site http://suzukicycles.com has the GS500F listed under the sportbike category while all the SV650 models were listed under the standard cat. :dunno:
Quote from: Dima26On Suzuki web site, GS500F is considered to be a sportbike. I believe it IS a sportbike. People call Ninja 250 a sportbike, why not Suzuki GS500F?
the ninja 250 is liquid-cooled and has clip-ons..
With the stock bars and seating position the GS screams UJM with a little twist. But it is definately not a sportbike, more of a standard. The F is closer, but lacks the teeth of a sportbike. Kind of like a Geo Metro with a body kit.
I think the Gs is a great bike, closer to a sport touring then an out right sport bike. It has just the right mix of ridability and spirit. Fun no matter where I ride.
:cheers:
A quote about the Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy is highly applicable to Wikipedia - "Although it has many omissions, and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least wildly inaccurate..."
"Sport bike" is either subjective or a bike-by-bike judgement. The first way of defining it is by what you think is "sporty." Which varies from person to person. The second is by the use it's actually put to - a bike that's tracked or raced is a sportbike, while one that isn't - isn't. Under that definition, there are a lot of GSX-Rs and R1s running around that aren't sportbikes.
In other words - who the heck cares? ;) I use it as a phrase of convenience - if it's primarily for twisties, I call it a sport bike; if it's primarily for the highway, I call it a cruiser or a tourer; if it's primarily for commuting, I call it a commutermobile.
I don't care what anyone has to say about my little GS....I LOVE IT! Sport bike or not...I'm happy with it all the way! :nana:
What does it matter wheather it is a sportbike or not, other than for insurance reasons? It depends on how you ride it.
Quote from: BlazinjrGuys I work with typically call it a crotch rocket, ricer rocket and the other names.
I get that too, but that's only from people who know little about bikes. To them, there are only two kinds of bikes: Harleys and crotch rockets. But really, who cares
I'd classify bikes as follows
Cruiser: characterized by the low seat, feet placed far forward, swept back handlebars, leather saddlebags, etc. etc. many Harley's, Vulcans, Shadows [/list:u]
Touring: Goldwing, etc. includes the adventure Touring subclass[/list:u]
Naked: like a sport bike, but no fairings, generally more upright seating position, usually a big round headlight. The GS500E is a naked bike.[/list:u]
Sport bike: plastic fairings covering much of the engine, usually incorporates a small windscreen. Often lean forward more. The GS500F is a sport bike.[/list:u]
So, if someone comes and steals my fairings, will I no longer have a sportbike? Is my SVS only half the sportbike my GS500 is?
I consider the GS500 a sport bike because is is high revving, sporty looking, and has a 6 speed transmission. And yes it has a lot to do with how you ride it...but if you drive a 1989 Crown Victoria Stationwagon 85mph around corners, does that make it a sports car? Or if you drive a Corvette 30mph under the speed limit like a granny, does that mean it is no longer a sports car? =)
Maybe the GS500, if it were a car, would be a "Sport Compact" (and not a "sports car"). :lol:
QuoteI'd classify bikes as follows
Cruiser: characterized by the low seat, feet placed far forward, swept back handlebars, leather saddlebags, etc. etc. many Harley's, Vulcans, Shadows
Touring: Goldwing, etc. includes the adventure Touring subclass
Naked: like a sport bike, but no fairings, generally more upright seating position, usually a big round headlight. The GS500E is a naked bike.
Sport bike: plastic fairings covering much of the engine, usually incorporates a small windscreen. Often lean forward more. The GS500F is a sport bike.
Don't forget dirt and dual-purpose motorcycles.
An upcoming fund-raising event here has been advertised as including "Harleys." I asked the person organizing it if she meant Harleys only or would other brands be allowed. She said "Cruisers only. No crotch rockets." She implied that sportbike riders have bad behavior. Who's insulted here, stereotyped sportbike riders or Harley riders who are no longer outlaws but model citizens? :roll:
I call it a standard or a Nekid... 'cause before the F, it was listed as a Standard... But, :dunno: it doesn't matter to me as long as no on calls it a Crotch Rocket. There are cruisers that are more of a Rocket than the GS. :nana: If someone calls it a Crotch Rocket, I say, "Don't you know that the GS stands for "Goes Slow." :lol: Yeah, I know it's not true, but they don't.
The other one I get is, "How fast does that thing go?" I tell them, "It'll do the speed limit." :thumb:
Quote from: RoadstergalSo, if someone comes and steals my fairings, will I no longer have a sportbike? Is my SVS only half the sportbike my GS500 is?
No classification system will be perfect.... that's just mine. Many times you only describe bikes in terms of these types to non-bikers anyhow. They say "what kind of bike did you get?" and you reply "cruiser" or "sport-bike". It gives them a mental picture.
Between riders you talk in models anyway. "I just bought a new GS" to which we all reply "Ooooooooo".
:mrgreen:
Quote from: PhaedrusI consider the GS500 a sport bike because is is high revving, sporty looking, and has a 6 speed transmission. And yes it has a lot to do with how you ride it...but if you drive a 1989 Crown Victoria Stationwagon 85mph around corners, does that make it a sports car? Or if you drive a Corvette 30mph under the speed limit like a granny, does that mean it is no longer a sports car? =)
Maybe the GS500, if it were a car, would be a "Sport Compact" (and not a "sports car"). :lol:
My thoughts exactly.
Ever done 135-140mph in a Neon? And before I get the BS flag my car is not stock.
Funny that my Car has a higher top speed than my bike
Is it a sports car? No. Have I beat sports cars? Yes :)
A buddy once told me that riding a motorcycle is 20% skill + 20% bike + and the rest is all balls :mrgreen:
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A buddy once told me that riding a motorcycle is 20% skill + 20% bike + and the rest is all balls :mrgreen:
Haha, I think theres a lil more skill in that equasion.
I classify my GS F as an "entry level sport bike." But the reason i chose this bike was because it was more of a hybrid setup,... something that can be used everyday.
GS500E -- Sport Standard
GS500F -- Sport Standard with fairings
Quote from: bargovicQuote from: Blazinjr
A buddy once told me that riding a motorcycle is 20% skill + 20% bike + and the rest is all balls :mrgreen:
Haha, I think theres a lil more skill in that equasion.
I classify my GS F as an "entry level sport bike." But the reason i chose this bike was because it was more of a hybrid setup,... something that can be used everyday.
^^^^there it is right there^^^^
"It's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than to ride a fast bike slow"
"It's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than to ride a fast bike slow"
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"It's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than to ride a fast bike slow"
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"It's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than to ride a fast bike slow"
did you get in trouble for riding a fast bike slow?? :mrgreen:
Quote from: JetSwingQuote from: gsJack"It's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than to ride a fast bike slow"
"It's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than to ride a fast bike slow"
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"It's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than to ride a fast bike slow"
"It's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than to ride a fast bike slow"
"It's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than to ride a fast bike slow"
did you get in trouble for riding a fast bike slow?? :mrgreen:
No. :thumb:
Quote from: gsJack"It's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than to ride a fast bike slow"
"It's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than to ride a fast bike slow"
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"It's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than to ride a fast bike slow"
:dunno:
it means go buy a r1 and ride it really really fast
R1's are for scooter riding hippies.
......I'm getting a Gixxer 1300 :thumb:
Quote from: PhaedrusQuote from: gsJack"It's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than to ride a fast bike slow"
"It's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than to ride a fast bike slow"
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:dunno:
If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Nah I understand what you are saying, obviously, but why you repeated it numerous times within the same post, and what it was in response to, was what was unclear to me. :thumb:
Quote from: gsJack"It's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than to ride a fast bike slow"
:lol: :thumb:
Quote from: jag69GS500E -- Sport Standard
GS500F -- Sport Standard with fairings
Exactly. I refer to both GSF and GSE as a
Sport Standard. They are both sporty, but they are BOTH standards. The GSF might have fairings but it is still a standard bike with sporting character.
Quote from: PhaedrusR1's are for scooter riding hippies.
......I'm getting a Gixxer 1300 :thumb:
i'm getting that motojet thingy from "the island"... :mrgreen:
Why does this culture have an obsessive need to label and categorize every freakin thing?? That is the better question.
Quote from: gsJack"It's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than to ride a fast bike slow"
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But you are right.... its much more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow.
Quote from: ajgs500Why does this culture have an obsessive need to label and categorize every freakin thing?? That is the better question.
I agree 100%
Quote from: gs500fromnbQuote from: ajgs500Why does this culture have an obsessive need to label and categorize every freakin thing?? That is the better question.
I agree 100%
Now we're getting there. Good answer. I ride a bike because it's fun and that is my main reason for riding. It really does not matter what you call my bike as long as I still find it fun to ride.
There have been many tests of the GS500 over the years and many comparos between it and the Kawi EX500 and even the ones that have been most unfavorable towards the GS generally end up saying it is fun to ride and that is what it is all about. I just threw in the "If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand" borrowed from Harley fans T-shirts to explain the intangeable things about a bike they find favorable but can't really explain to others with facts and test figures.
It would probably be considered cruel and unusal punishment of a child now, but way back 60+ years ago when I was in elementary school it was quite common to make a child(frequently me:-) write something over and over again till they got it right. Go write this or that 100 or 500 times the teacher would say.
So lets all say/write it 100 more times, "It's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than to ride a fast bike slow" and then go hop on our GSs and just have fun. Just like at home, my sense of humor generally goes completley unnoticed. :(
Quote from: gsJackJust like at home, my sense of humor generally goes completley unnoticed.
You're not alone. (and I got it)
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'kay... i'm done. Gonna go ride my slow bike fast now! :mrgreen:
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'kay... i'm done. Gonna go ride my slow bike fast now! :mrgreen:
k, I did, too (see above...I cheat :P )....time for a nice, long ride! :mrgreen:
my bike is too slow to ride fast :(
While I peek my head in here at times just to get some tips and tricks, I don't generally come in to defend the GS.
I have a hard enough time doing that on another website I frequent a lot more often.
There was a person who was asking about the GS and performance numbers, etc. All the newbie stuff that one would ask when thinking about the mighty GS as a first bike.
Here is what I wrote:
QuoteWhile I seem to be the exception to the rule, most people buy the mighty GS to learn on for a year or two (Buy used) and then when they think they are ready, they sell the bike for near the same they bought it for, to "step up" into the larger classes.
I've had my '00 GS now for a bit over 5 years, logged about 30,000 miles (Including taking a year off because of financial issues/broke the bike) and have had so much fun.
I had thought I had learned all there was to know about the GS within the first 2 years. In the past 3 years though, I'm doing more than I ever have before. I think people get bored with the acceleration before they reach the limits of what the bike was actually designed to do.
In town, the bike handles like a dream. It never feels like a pig. Keep it in second gear, and you can squirt into any lane as you please.
On the highway, droning along, yeah...it's boring. But it always will be with all bikes; even a car.
In the twisty stuff, I've taken quite a few corners at speeds just under what SpikedLemon does on his 929, and pretty much right on par when he is piloting his DRZ-400SM. I've lost more than a few other riders on thier 600 series race reps, and I smoked a GSXR-1K pilot in some real tight technical stuff.
In a straight line race, you'll get slaughtered. The bike was never designed to be a straight line racer. This bike will teach you that 39hp/27ft/lb torque (By my numbers) is all you need to rail through corners/traffic. The best thing about the GS is that the race rep bikes have to slow down hard to get set up for that corner. You (with experience ) will roll off the throttle, and push the bars until you feel something touching down.
And the best thing is that if you've never ridden any other bike, you'll never notice that the suspension is like "trying to stuff a wet noodle into a square hole" as SpikedLemon puts it
You also won't know just how comfortable the GS is until you get rid of it. Nor will you realize how much damn wind blast you get. Or how indestructable the bike is until you wreck it. (I wrecked at 55mph, and had to replace the speedo cable, and headlamp. The last one at 90mph tweaked my forks VERY slightly, my knee put a dent in the tank, and my shoulders took out the mirrors.)
Sure, by today's standards the brakes are soft/crap, the chassis is unorganized, the suspension is bargain bin, the power is on par with a Honda 750 Shadow.
But you have to know what you are getting yourself into.
This bike spells FUN all over it. Many an esport member have bought the bike, and quite a few still have a special place in thier hearts for thier mighty GS. Right 1slowF3?
I just gotta win the lottery or something to get a stable mate for my GS. I thinks she's lonely.
The basic jist of the post is that you have to know what the bike is designed for, not what people's conceptions (misguided or otherwise) are of the bike.
I own a slow ass bike that surprises quite a few squids in my neck of the woods.
Quote from: 97gs500eQuote from: Dima26On Suzuki web site, GS500F is considered to be a sportbike. I believe it IS a sportbike. People call Ninja 250 a sportbike, why not Suzuki GS500F?
the ninja 250 is liquid-cooled and has clip-ons..
OIC its been cleared up every liquid cooled motorcycle is a sportbike gotcha. lol porsche has used air cool engines are they not sports cars because of that. :dunno:
Ducati makes some pretty sporty air-cooled bikes.
check it out. according to these guys, the gsf is a sport bike :P
http://www.atlashondayamaha.com/new_vehicle_list.asp?sid=07642481X10K16K2005J9I38I05JPMQ1174R0&Manufacturer=4&Category=1&CatDesc=Motorcycles
so i guess the e is a nekkid sport...
The only reason they consider it a sport bike is because Suzuki considers it a sportbike. Check the Suzuki website. It's listed under Sportbike, not Standard.
Quote from: AlphaFire X5The only reason they consider it a sport bike is because Suzuki considers it a sportbike. Check the Suzuki website. It's listed under Sportbike, not Standard.
Not to prolong a fairly fruitless debate, but I would think the "sport" nature has less to do with the engine and more to do with the rake. After all, "sportiness" is all about how quick you turn, not necessarily how fast you go straight. Just my $.02.