Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: Roadstergal on July 17, 2005, 03:17:10 PM
Post by: Roadstergal on July 17, 2005, 03:17:10 PM
Argh, and I usually am careful about taking a picture before I start work...
One tube has an end here at the rear-bike side of the carbs...
(http://www.roadstergal.info/7_17_05/308.jpg)
and is pretty long...
(http://www.roadstergal.info/7_17_05/309.jpg)
The other is a vent tube, terminates on the right-hand side of the fairing, and has a bent hookup end.
(http://www.roadstergal.info/7_17_05/311.jpg)
Help? Danke!
One tube has an end here at the rear-bike side of the carbs...
(http://www.roadstergal.info/7_17_05/308.jpg)
and is pretty long...
(http://www.roadstergal.info/7_17_05/309.jpg)
The other is a vent tube, terminates on the right-hand side of the fairing, and has a bent hookup end.
(http://www.roadstergal.info/7_17_05/311.jpg)
Help? Danke!
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: davipu on July 17, 2005, 03:21:29 PM
Post by: davipu on July 17, 2005, 03:21:29 PM
the top one looks like the float bowl atsmophere vent hose, it should just go down the side to the bottom of the fairing. and the other one looks like the one for the bottom of the airbox.
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: goat on July 17, 2005, 03:22:10 PM
Post by: goat on July 17, 2005, 03:22:10 PM
I'm not familiar with the newer carbs, but on mine there is a vent tube and a tube which connects to the petcock.
On mine, the upper is a vent, and the lower is connected to the petcock.
Hope this helps.
On mine, the upper is a vent, and the lower is connected to the petcock.
Hope this helps.
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: natedawg120 on July 17, 2005, 03:25:28 PM
Post by: natedawg120 on July 17, 2005, 03:25:28 PM
Ok I think the first hose might be the breather hose that attaches to the top of the valve cover to your air box. The other is the ent tube that attaches to the inderside of your gas tank. I think.
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: goat on July 17, 2005, 03:26:44 PM
Post by: goat on July 17, 2005, 03:26:44 PM
whoops, I think I misunderstood what you were asking.
davipu, are you sure the top one isn't the vent tube that goes on the top of the valve cover?
I dunno about the second one, though.
davipu, are you sure the top one isn't the vent tube that goes on the top of the valve cover?
I dunno about the second one, though.
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: Roadstergal on July 17, 2005, 03:48:04 PM
Post by: Roadstergal on July 17, 2005, 03:48:04 PM
OK, I'll buy the first one as a vent tube; there's a hose clamp on top of the airbox that points it down and out in front of the battery compartment. But the second one... it's definitely a vent (it terminates in a bundle of vent hoses on the right bottom side of the bike), but I need to figure out what it's venting. There aren't any slots it fits on the airbox. It almost looks like it snakes up to the top of the carbs...
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: Aerospike on July 17, 2005, 03:50:00 PM
Post by: Aerospike on July 17, 2005, 03:50:00 PM
Quote from: natedawg120Ok I think the first hose might be the breather hose that attaches to the top of the valve cover to your air box. The other is the ent tube that attaches to the inderside of your gas tank. I think.
I think it's the other way around. I'll go take some picutres when the Simpsons is over. :)
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: goat on July 17, 2005, 03:53:50 PM
Post by: goat on July 17, 2005, 03:53:50 PM
Quote from: RoadstergalOK, I'll buy the first one as a vent tube; there's a hose clamp on top of the airbox that points it down and out in front of the battery compartment. But the second one... it's definitely a vent (it terminates in a bundle of vent hoses on the right bottom side of the bike), but I need to figure out what it's venting. There aren't any slots it fits on the airbox. It almost looks like it snakes up to the top of the carbs...
Is it smaller than the fuel tubes or the same size? Is there a hose on the bottom of the fuel tank near the petcock?
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: Roadstergal on July 17, 2005, 03:56:36 PM
Post by: Roadstergal on July 17, 2005, 03:56:36 PM
They're about the same size, maybe a smidge larger. I have the fuel hose from the petcock to the bowl hooked up.
Edit - Oh, you mean the gas tank. It has the two hoses to the petcock on, but I'll check to see if one of those goes to the tank.
Edit - Oh, you mean the gas tank. It has the two hoses to the petcock on, but I'll check to see if one of those goes to the tank.
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: goat on July 17, 2005, 04:00:33 PM
Post by: goat on July 17, 2005, 04:00:33 PM
Quote from: RoadstergalThey're about the same size, maybe a smidge larger. I have the fuel hose from the petcock to the bowl hooked up.
For the sake of being anal, I ment the vent hose that comes off a nipple on the bottom of the tank near the tank petcock (assuming that the 04s have one, too).
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: Aerospike on July 17, 2005, 04:10:10 PM
Post by: Aerospike on July 17, 2005, 04:10:10 PM
I just checked, the first one connects to the fuel tan on one end and hangs low by the rear shock on the other. The second tube connects to the air box on the one end and the other by the kick stand. If you open the tank lid and look, you'll find a hole on the left hand side of the tank opening, that's basically for overflow and the first tube connects to the end to that at the bottom of the tank. I took pictures but my filebox is down. PM me if you'd like them
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: natedawg120 on July 17, 2005, 04:34:52 PM
Post by: natedawg120 on July 17, 2005, 04:34:52 PM
Quote from: goatFor the sake of being anal, I ment the vent hose that comes off a nipple on the bottom of the tank near the tank petcock (assuming that the 04s have one, too).
Yeah that is where the smaller hose with the L on the end goes. On the nipple that isn't on the petcock but is on the underside of the gas tank.
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: Roadstergal on July 17, 2005, 04:49:05 PM
Post by: Roadstergal on July 17, 2005, 04:49:05 PM
OK, the tank vent is attached to the L tube, and the other tube is vented to the top rear of the carbs.
How long do y'all typically have to leave it on Prime after draining the carbs? Search didn't help me... it cranks but doesn't fire yet.
Aerospike, if you're feeling like pictures, do you think you could take one of the top of the carb assembly with the tank lifted? Just so I can check the rest of what I hooked up - thanks much!
How long do y'all typically have to leave it on Prime after draining the carbs? Search didn't help me... it cranks but doesn't fire yet.
Aerospike, if you're feeling like pictures, do you think you could take one of the top of the carb assembly with the tank lifted? Just so I can check the rest of what I hooked up - thanks much!
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: Jazzzzz on July 17, 2005, 05:19:07 PM
Post by: Jazzzzz on July 17, 2005, 05:19:07 PM
assuming your float heights are set ok, you can just leave it on PRI until the engine starts, then flip over to ON
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: Aerospike on July 17, 2005, 05:21:51 PM
Post by: Aerospike on July 17, 2005, 05:21:51 PM
Pictures will have to wait till tomorrow. It's almost too dark for pictures on this side of the country, and it's raining. I'll get some early tomorrow.
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: starwalt on July 17, 2005, 05:28:24 PM
Post by: starwalt on July 17, 2005, 05:28:24 PM
OK RG, here's the gospel truth, a scan of the hose routing straight from the Suzuki OEM manual. I had to clip it to fit in my photo album. Save it to your system for reference so I can delete it from my web page.
(http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/41/41309/folders/208237/Thumbnails/161472804hoses.jpg) (http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/41/41309/folders/208237/161472804hoses.jpg)
I will delete it Monday evening so that anyone else with an 04+ can save it. My ISP limits photo uploads to 400k max.
(http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/41/41309/folders/208237/Thumbnails/161472804hoses.jpg) (http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/41/41309/folders/208237/161472804hoses.jpg)
I will delete it Monday evening so that anyone else with an 04+ can save it. My ISP limits photo uploads to 400k max.
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: Roadstergal on July 17, 2005, 05:34:04 PM
Post by: Roadstergal on July 17, 2005, 05:34:04 PM
I've saved it. Thanks, you rock!
Hrm. That looks like how I have everything routed, but it's still cranking and not starting.
Hrm. That looks like how I have everything routed, but it's still cranking and not starting.
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: starwalt on July 17, 2005, 05:34:36 PM
Post by: starwalt on July 17, 2005, 05:34:36 PM
The OEM manual also has the routing for the PAIR system, if that is what you have. I don't think that Washington has the requirement like California though.
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: werase643 on July 17, 2005, 05:35:18 PM
Post by: werase643 on July 17, 2005, 05:35:18 PM
put on PRI
phillips screw driver and open the bowl drains
if gas comes out ... close screws
if no gas.....do the new bikes have that FUCKIN shut off on the bottom of the tank like the old bikes?????
that dang thing has kicked my a$$ more than once
phillips screw driver and open the bowl drains
if gas comes out ... close screws
if no gas.....do the new bikes have that FUCKIN shut off on the bottom of the tank like the old bikes?????
that dang thing has kicked my a$$ more than once
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: davipu on July 17, 2005, 05:35:29 PM
Post by: davipu on July 17, 2005, 05:35:29 PM
low fuel level in the tank?
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: Roadstergal on July 17, 2005, 05:36:43 PM
Post by: Roadstergal on July 17, 2005, 05:36:43 PM
There's 3gal of fuel in the tank and the tank petcock is on. I'll do the check for gas in the bowls...
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: starwalt on July 17, 2005, 05:38:10 PM
Post by: starwalt on July 17, 2005, 05:38:10 PM
Quote from: RoadstergalI've saved it. Thanks, you rock!My pleasure!
Quote from: Roadstergal...it's still cranking and not starting.Did you remember to turn on the tank side petcock?
EDIT: Someone beat me to the question and you beat us to it totally!!
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: natedawg120 on July 17, 2005, 05:42:06 PM
Post by: natedawg120 on July 17, 2005, 05:42:06 PM
yeah new ones have that on the petcock. I have an 05 and its got me once :lol:
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: cobalt135 on July 17, 2005, 05:51:29 PM
Post by: cobalt135 on July 17, 2005, 05:51:29 PM
tank overflow also visible in second pic
(http://home.woh.rr.com/phreakflier/hoses.jpg)
(http://home.woh.rr.com/phreakflier/tank_pet.jpg)
(http://home.woh.rr.com/phreakflier/hoses.jpg)
(http://home.woh.rr.com/phreakflier/tank_pet.jpg)
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: Roadstergal on July 17, 2005, 06:06:11 PM
Post by: Roadstergal on July 17, 2005, 06:06:11 PM
Dang, that's clean! :thumb:
Yes, that's how I have it routed. So I must have done something silly and left something off or open... I'm at the lab, but I'll bop home in a minute and check.
Yes, that's how I have it routed. So I must have done something silly and left something off or open... I'm at the lab, but I'll bop home in a minute and check.
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: Roadstergal on July 17, 2005, 08:00:28 PM
Post by: Roadstergal on July 17, 2005, 08:00:28 PM
This is interesting.
When I open the carb drain screws, no gas comes out. But the flow as far as the petcock works fine; when I pull the fuel tank hose that goes into the petcock just to the right of PRI, I get a good gush of gas. With it hooked up, though, and the carb drain screws open, no gas comes out of the carbs with the petcock on any position.
The fuel hose from the left side of the petcock to the bottom of the left carb is hooked up and looks happy.
Thoughts?
When I open the carb drain screws, no gas comes out. But the flow as far as the petcock works fine; when I pull the fuel tank hose that goes into the petcock just to the right of PRI, I get a good gush of gas. With it hooked up, though, and the carb drain screws open, no gas comes out of the carbs with the petcock on any position.
The fuel hose from the left side of the petcock to the bottom of the left carb is hooked up and looks happy.
Thoughts?
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: davipu on July 17, 2005, 08:39:32 PM
Post by: davipu on July 17, 2005, 08:39:32 PM
the vaccuum line from the carbs to the petcock? did you switch the inlet and the outlet or the outlet and the res lines on the petcock?
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: Roadstergal on July 17, 2005, 08:44:20 PM
Post by: Roadstergal on July 17, 2005, 08:44:20 PM
I know I have the petcock fuel lines set correctly. I'm not sure about the vacuum line to the petcock, though - hum me a couple more bars...
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: davipu on July 17, 2005, 08:48:22 PM
Post by: davipu on July 17, 2005, 08:48:22 PM
there's a little vaccuum line that goes from the left carb to the petcock that allows it to open and fuel to flow.
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: cobalt135 on July 17, 2005, 08:52:08 PM
Post by: cobalt135 on July 17, 2005, 08:52:08 PM
maybe I missed it somewhere but did you have the carbs apart? Did you try to pull the line going from the frame petcock to the carbs and check for flow in prime position (or any position for that matter) :dunno: Double check that tank petcock, your bike should match the on/off directon of the tank I posted ('05)
edit to say your tank petcock should be 90 deg. to what the pic shows
edit to say your tank petcock should be 90 deg. to what the pic shows
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: Roadstergal on July 17, 2005, 08:54:53 PM
Post by: Roadstergal on July 17, 2005, 08:54:53 PM
Ja, the tank petcock is correct. I'll check that vacuum line when I'm back home.
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: cobalt135 on July 17, 2005, 09:18:48 PM
Post by: cobalt135 on July 17, 2005, 09:18:48 PM
(http://home.woh.rr.com/phreakflier/vac.jpg)
(http://home.woh.rr.com/phreakflier/frame_pet.jpg)
(http://home.woh.rr.com/phreakflier/frame_pet.jpg)
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: Roadstergal on July 17, 2005, 09:20:42 PM
Post by: Roadstergal on July 17, 2005, 09:20:42 PM
Oh, I bet that's it. I don't remember hooking that puppy back up. Thanks for the pic!
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: Roadstergal on July 18, 2005, 01:46:10 AM
Post by: Roadstergal on July 18, 2005, 01:46:10 AM
OK, this is getting frustrating.
To back up a bit - since all I did was change the main, I left most of the vacuum hoses connected and left the carbs on the bike, turning them so the bottoms faced me. I dremeled the Phillips heads into flat slots, which let me get them off easily with a flat screwdriver, skipping the impact step.
So, the vacuum hose to the petcock is still routed the same way it was originally. This picture is from the right side of the bike - the hose comes under the hose to the airbox, over the filter, and down to the lower T just behind the wires. The upper T goes to the top front of the carbs.
(http://www.roadstergal.info/7_17_05/324.jpg)
This is the left side, looking in. If I detach the fuel hose that's going into the carbs, I get a good gush of gas. If I turn the drain screw on either side, nada - not a drip or a trickle.
(http://www.roadstergal.info/7_17_05/325.jpg)
This is the top, looking down.
(http://www.roadstergal.info/7_17_05/322.jpg)
I would like to take this opportunity to say - Arrgh! WTF?
To back up a bit - since all I did was change the main, I left most of the vacuum hoses connected and left the carbs on the bike, turning them so the bottoms faced me. I dremeled the Phillips heads into flat slots, which let me get them off easily with a flat screwdriver, skipping the impact step.
So, the vacuum hose to the petcock is still routed the same way it was originally. This picture is from the right side of the bike - the hose comes under the hose to the airbox, over the filter, and down to the lower T just behind the wires. The upper T goes to the top front of the carbs.
(http://www.roadstergal.info/7_17_05/324.jpg)
This is the left side, looking in. If I detach the fuel hose that's going into the carbs, I get a good gush of gas. If I turn the drain screw on either side, nada - not a drip or a trickle.
(http://www.roadstergal.info/7_17_05/325.jpg)
This is the top, looking down.
(http://www.roadstergal.info/7_17_05/322.jpg)
I would like to take this opportunity to say - Arrgh! WTF?
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: Jazzzzz on July 18, 2005, 03:35:44 AM
Post by: Jazzzzz on July 18, 2005, 03:35:44 AM
Quote from: RoadstergalOK, this is getting frustrating.
This looks like you have a fuel hose going to the wrong place - it should go to the plastic T fitting on the bottom of the carbs - I can't quite tell from the picture, but it looks like you have it routed to something on the bottom of the left float bowl, which is not where it should go
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: Roadstergal on July 18, 2005, 08:22:56 AM
Post by: Roadstergal on July 18, 2005, 08:22:56 AM
Jesus, I feel like a twit. That was it, thanks...
Title: Whups - need the location of two tubes ('01+)
Post by: starwalt on July 18, 2005, 02:05:04 PM
Post by: starwalt on July 18, 2005, 02:05:04 PM
There is no shame in messing up and needing help...the first time. ;)
There's three kinds of wrenchers:
1 - those that screw up, find the problem, and then proceed to finish. :P
2 - those that screw up, can't find the problem, ask for help, get it, and then to proceed to finish. :oops:
3 - those that do a good job the first time and then are waiting for #1 or #2 above to occur to them. :roll:
Let's call it another lesson in "The School of Hard Knocks." Congratulations, you are human! :thumb:
There's three kinds of wrenchers:
1 - those that screw up, find the problem, and then proceed to finish. :P
2 - those that screw up, can't find the problem, ask for help, get it, and then to proceed to finish. :oops:
3 - those that do a good job the first time and then are waiting for #1 or #2 above to occur to them. :roll:
Let's call it another lesson in "The School of Hard Knocks." Congratulations, you are human! :thumb: