Yea I bought one, Was glad it fit great ... OK I thought fantastic, first ride last night, and the freaking thing presses up against my cheeks and squishes it into my teeth, I wake up this morning with insides of my mouth on fire ... The lining of my mouth is shredded ... WTF ... Horrendous design. Arai's are worse usually. I shouldve stayed with Bieffe, but they dont have my BR-16 anymore. WTF I am so screwed.
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You get to go helmet shopping!
AGV
HJC
Scorpion
Lazer
Z1R
What size do you wear? A friend of mine is looking for a helmet. He is borrowing a spare that I recently purchased. The helmet he is using is a medium Shoei, size 7 1/8 to 7 1/4 size which seems to fit him pretty well.
If yours is a medium, then maybe you can sell it to him?
PM me or email me.
I love my Scorpion helmet. Great fit for me at least. Good helmet for the money.
I'ma Shoei kind of guy, but I can't get an AGV that'll fit my narrow head.
It's your fat face Shrinath, got same problem myself. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Wanted to switch to a full face a few years ago myself and couldn't find one I could open my mouth and close without biting insides of my chubby cheeks. Settled for a Symax flip face for a couple years and it was tatalled along with my 97 Gs late in 03.
Last year I was determined to get a full face to replace the Symax and tried on all they had and settled for the Shoei RF1000. Found a XL that was pretty comfortable and was ready to buy when I discovered the removable cheek pads and took them out and helmet was too loose without them. Bought the L instead and rode home with my mouth clamped closed. :thumb: Next morning I took out the pads and reduced the thickness of the foam in them to about half. Been a comfortable good fitting helmet since. Your Shoei have remocable cheek pads?
Added another HJC flip face this summer for all the 90F weather we've had, like to flip it open when caught in slow hot traffic. Still wear the RF1000 for serious riding.
Do not blame the manufacturer for your head not fitting their helmets.
Quote from: smokeycvI love my Scorpion helmet. Great fit for me at least. Good helmet for the money.
I like my $140 Scorpion better than my $350 Shoei.
Don't chew gum and ride at the same time?
Odd that you had a poor fit with the Shoei. i have a long head and Shoei's RF series are one of the few helmets i have found that fit well.
Like others have said, don't blame Shoei if the helmet doesn't fit and you didn't do your home (head?) work...
Yea Not shoeii's fault ... maybe. I believe they are meant to fit this way though. Those cheek pads are the size of an elephant's butt, no way they dont make cheek contact with anyone's cheeks ... Mine aren't removable (AFAIK) I think people just put up with it. Now those insanely tight cheek pads may help in a crash. Like your head is so tight in there ... there is no movement where your head knocks about inside it. The fact that I dont like it just means that I am just not into trading some light pain every day for the more severe pain in case of an accident. I ride everyday, and say I crash once in 3 years (whihc itself is less than my actual frequency, driveway and other tip overs exempted) and say that crash is one where the helmet takes a beating whihc again is not, I have only had 1 crash in 4 where the helmet even got into the act, so once every 3 years you'd ahve less pain ... and you're taking the insane option of little less everyday face pain. Yea I am begining to want a scorpion or Agv - pacific and flyer looked nice. But breaking this in may help.
TZBoy - Mine is a large.
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Maybe i'll buy it for myself and use it as a daytime helmet so that I don't have to switch my visor in and out all the time :-)
I'll ask around and see if anyone i know is looking for a helmet. What shall i tell them that you want for it?
Quote from: JamesGDon't chew gum and ride at the same time.
+1 I tried it... Bad idea! :lol:
And... I love my scorpion too. But, I have a slender jaw and a HUUUUUUUUUGE head... So, I don't know how it will fit you.
I have a big jaw. The Scorpion is snug, but the foam is yielding enough that it doesn't pinch my cheeks in.
My boyfriend just bought a Scorpion helmet a few weeks ago, and he loves his. He's trying to get me to buy one, but I'm resisting (my ears go so nicely on my black XS generic helmet). I'll likely go with Scorpion within a few months.
Quote from: seshadri_srinathTZBoy - Mine is a large.
What? Your mouth? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
The devil made me say that.... :dunno: :mrgreen:
Edit: I almost forgot... :kiss:
Quote from: pandyQuote from: seshadri_srinathTZBoy - Mine is a large.
What? Your mouth? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
The devil made me say that.... :dunno: :mrgreen:
Edit: I almost forgot... :kiss:
Well my head too ... :? :? :? :? ... cos my ego has to sit there ... as well as the mouth controller. Those 2 can take up most of the mid west ... :lol:
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
I've got a fat head and I like the two Nolan's I have, both XL's. My horns get crushed but that always happens :lol:
Anyway, everybody's head is a little different.
imagine that...you like cheapo helmuts....... :roll:
Quote from: smokeycvI love my Scorpion helmet. Great fit for me at least. Good helmet for the money.
I highly reccomend!! Fits AWESOME and air flow is great...
Matte Black EXO-700 here.
Why aren't you "allowed"!? to have a bike? Boyfriend afraid you'll ride better than he? :P :mrgreen:
He's afraid I'll die... frankly, I understand. But one of these days I'll be riding a *PURPLE* one (and yes - most likely better than him). "Woo Hoo!"
We're ALL going to die! ;)
Put your foot down. Tell him you're going to get a PURPLE GS *NOW*!
We won't tell him that the purple ones are the fastest. ;)
Don't some helmets have swappable cheek pieces?
Did you fail to notice your fit problem when you were walking around the store wearing the helmet? 15 minutes minimum to be sure there's no pressure points or funny fits
I fail to see how this has anything to do with Shoei
Quote from: 70 Cam GuyDon't some helmets have swappable cheek pieces?
Did you fail to notice your fit problem when you were walking around the store wearing the helmet? 15 minutes minimum to be sure there's no pressure points or funny fits
I fail to see how this has anything to do with Shoei
Yea Yea Yea ... OK fine I got that helmet as part of some bike I was buying ... yea Fine whatever ... looking a gift horse in the mouth ... but the mouth is trying to bite my cheeks off ... Its got everything to do with shoeii ... they are uncomfortable, and most likely people are buying into the hype or they want that extra protection because they think they are soooo insanely cool and such high performance when riding that they must have that extra protection ... Basically statistically, 99.9999% of people will never need a shoeii on the street - just anecdotal evidence from my past ... and its down right painful all of the time. BTW it seems to be breaking in a bit, my cheeks hurt a shade less today inspite of being chewed raw, but it was a shorter run today ... anyway its the design that is geared to be super super super safe and very very very uncomfortable.
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I think they are over rated. I live in Australia and purchased a Shark RSF2 Race (Nexus) in white two days ago. Great fit, looks good, light weight and has fantastic air flow. They are now available in the USA:
http://www.helmetharbor.com/estore/products.cfm?seriesid=Shark+RSF2+Race
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Quote from: seshadri_srinathIts got everything to do with shoeii ... they are uncomfortable, and most likely people are buying into the hype
So a particular helmet doesn't fit your head and its Shoei's fault? I have had many helmets and none fit me as well as my current Shoei RF-1000. My last HJC felt like a bucket of cement lined with sandpaper, but really it just didn't fit my head right. It sounds like some people just need to find one that works with their particular head shape and quit whining.
I have a Shoeii helmet... I really like it. it fits me much better than my old HJC did. I didn't realize how much better until I'd worn the Shoeii for awhile and put the other one back on.
One thing about it, though, is it did take a couple weeks to really break it in. I was a very tight fit initially, but now it's great.
Maybe if you give it a bit of time, you'll find it isn't as bad anymore... the padding breaks in to fit your face better, while still holding steady.
just my $.02
Quote from: richardMaybe if you give it a bit of time, you'll find it isn't as bad anymore... the padding breaks in to fit your face better, while still holding steady.just my $.02
Patience is one of Srinath's strong suits! :thumb:
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Quote from: richardMaybe if you give it a bit of time, you'll find it isn't as bad anymore... the padding breaks in to fit your face better, while still holding steady.
Or he can stuff something in the helmet and let it pack out the padding...
You know, none of the clothing at Casual Male, Big And Tall fits me. Those bastards.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Sounds as though it's time for a class-action suit! :P
I bet you could get a t-shirt and use it as a dress...
OK the whole point was ... the poor fit is in the design. BTW I found every damn helmet made (Tried HJC, KBC, Shoei RF 1000 and X-11, Arai quantum F, Scorpion, Bell and some more I dont remember and they all suck - the top of this pile is KBC and shark ... But none are as good as the Bieffe I gave to the guy that got my bike last week) The problem is cheek padding, excessive and crushing my cheeks into my teeth. They all are, and I believe they are all copying shoei. In any case, my real beef with shoei has now spread to all makes. Discomfort everyday isn't a worth while trade off IMHO for that one crash in 5 years (yea more like 10 yrs) that will need the 10% extra protection I'd get from a shoei or a copy cos they all are.
The same freaking Pepsi VS coke connundrum. Every store brand, no name cola is a coke wanna be. if you like pepsi ... buy pepsi, no store copies come close. BTW what if they stopped making Pepsi ... :x ... I want to find that dude that got my helmet and swap the new Shoei for that old bieffe ... OK fine breaking it in is an option ... :lol: :lol: Yea 2 hours wont do is what I been told. 2 week minimum with 1 hour per day. OK I'll check back in in 2 weeks on this thread.
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Personally, I love Shoei helmets. They are the most comfortable helmets on the market for me. They fit my head perfectly and don't press my cheeks in at all. I went helmet shopping for a long time, trying on every model of every brand, but I kept going back to Shoei. I've wear a size Small in Shoei's line. I've worn the Shoei RFR, as well as a Z-II, and I recently picked up my new RF-1000 on eBay for $242 shipped.
Bieffe, for me, is extremely painful to wear. In size small it is too big, but in extra small it squeezes my head so tight I need Advil after 5 minutes. Other brands either don't conform to my head shape as well as the Shoei's do, or the material quality isn't comfortable enough.
Quote from: aplitzIt sounds like some people just need to find one that works with their particular head shape and quit whining.
i agree. i tried on tons of helmets for fit -- not by brand. it just so happens that a shoei xxs fits me.
Quote from: seshadri_srinath...Was glad it fit great ... and the freaking thing presses up against my cheeks and squishes it into my teeth,
... Horrendous design. .
uh, user error. try one on first next time... :roll:
OK I didn't try one on ... yesterday I tried all of them (with the exception of AGV and bieffe) and they all suck. Yea I agree its now super super safe ... yea we bought ourselves a whole extra 1% extra safety Yipee yea :o , and also got as a side benefit a 300% extra discomfort :x . Yea they all now are copies of the shoei and they are are insanely painful. BTW scorpion has a liner we can get for $40, and I can use cheek pads off the XXL in a L helmet. I can also buy thinner cheek pads for a RF 1000 also $35 or so and fit that in the L, the rest ... You're screwed. BTW I may cram a well inflated wine bag in the Large RF 800 I got and compress its padding out to where it wont kill me. I got this free, and want to use it. It was perfect size for me, but cheek pads ... nope I cant use it that way. Bieffe used to make helmets that fit me like a glove ... 3 different models and nothing but prefect ... old pair of jeans fit. These fit like a pair of leather pants made for Axl Rose ... Heck even he looks like He in pain ... and may explain his high voice ... :lol: in the old days ... as well as the writhing moves he used to make.
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+1 for scorpion. My only complaint is with all the vents open it can be noisey at higher speeds. Wait, did I say highter speeds? :lol:
But that's nothing some ear plugs cannot cure.
One thing that I notably like about Shoei is the quality of build. They don't feel cheap or rickety. I tried on an Icon helmet recently and the air vents on it were cheap and seemed easily breakable. They were composed of thin, cheap feeling plastic on a weak hinge that was also notably cheaply made. Likewise on other low-cost models by other brands. Shoeis and Arais as well as a few others just have a high build quality.
Quote from: seshadri_srinathYipee yea :o , and also got as a side benefit a 300% extra discomfort
YOU get the extra 300%. Yer kinda missin' the point that other people don't.
Your lauded Bieffe helmets don't fit my head for shaZam!. You'll notice a distinct lack of bitchy posts from me about Bieffe, because I bought a helmet that does fit instead of one that doesn't.
Quote from: RoadstergalYou'll notice a distinct lack of bitchy posts from me about Bieffe, because I bought a helmet that does fit instead of one that doesn't.
:o Deeeeeuum!
Someone in need of their morning coffee? :lol:
OK Yea fitting heads ... very important ... and now everyone is making helmets to fit the shoei head, and no one cares about mine ... yea R'gal thanks for pointing that out ... I will machine my head into fitting the copper kettle I got lying about ... :x
Now HJC and Icon and KBC felt a shade plasticy, Arai felt very very plasticy. The Shoei felt OK, not great ... but no complaints. The Bieffe I gave up as well as the BR 15 I used to have ... felt solid solid solid ... like a tank ... It also out weighed the Shoei by a good 50-75%. No one here has used a BR 16 or BR 15 Bieffe I can tell. Nothing like it. Anyday ... I will be able to bash in a shoei or a Arai with that I think. The Older Bieffe I had before that was solid too, but memory isn't that great. Only helmet I believe can hold a candle to the Bieffe 15/16's is a Bell. M 2 I believe ... I should try that out in a better size I think. All the dumb stores around here have shoei, arai, suomy (talk about tacky ... that's the master ... just that paint on them ... can you say Poser) ... scorpion and nothing else.
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Quote from: seshadri_srinathOK Yea fitting heads ... very important ... and now everyone is making helmets to fit the shoei head
If that were true, every helmet in the store would fit my head, and they don't. HJC doesn't fit. Bieffe doesn't fit. Arai doesn't fit. Shoei fits decently, Scorpion fits well.
Quote from: RoadstergalQuote from: seshadri_srinathOK Yea fitting heads ... very important ... and now everyone is making helmets to fit the shoei head
If that were true, every helmet in the store would fit my head, and they don't. HJC doesn't fit. Bieffe doesn't fit. Arai doesn't fit. Shoei fits decently, Scorpion fits well.
Fine they make helmets for Shoei heads and the slight variations there of. Happy now ... :lol:
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Arguing is only a competitive sport when the arguments are logical, and when you're not arguing simply to be right. I declare RG the winner of this argument. :P
Quote from: pandyArguing is only a competitive sport when the arguments are logical, and when you're not arguing simply to be right. I declare RG the winner of this argument. :P
Oh yea ... OK fine ... all the damn helmets I tried on yesterday (agreed it doesn't cover all makes ... just most common ones) wanted to shred my cheeks ... so I dont know what else to say. OK around my head they all felt a bit different. But around my cheeks it was the same painful fit.
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Carrying walnuts in your cheeks only works for chipmunks.
Can you get Rayven helmets in the US? I have a Laser, Bieffe and a Rayven. Cheap'n'cheerful it may be but it's a good helmet.
http://www.busters-accessories.co.uk/proddetail.asp?prod=MAXF4
Quote from: RoadstergalCarrying walnuts in your cheeks only works for chipmunks.
:lol:
Quote from: seshadri_srinathOh yea ... OK fine ... all the damn helmets I tried on yesterday
This is an excellent start! :thumb:
:P :kiss:
Quote from: RoadstergalCarrying walnuts in your cheeks only works for chipmunks.
Not if he wants to wear a helmet ... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Plastic surgery may work!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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maybe you could suck you cheeks in like you are making the goldfish face while you ride :lol: . I have a huge head and I find gmax helmets fit me well. Arai now way in hell. Tried a couple more but the gmax fit like a champ so that is what I got.
Quote from: natedawg120maybe you could suck you cheeks in like you are making the goldfish face while you ride :lol: . I have a huge head and I find gmax helmets fit me well. Arai now way in hell. Tried a couple more but the gmax fit like a champ so that is what I got.
Gmax ... OK I'll try that ... the local moron's are all shoei arai and nothing else. 1 place has Scorpion, never seen an AGV on the shelf so far ... They have 400 shoei's and arai's ... one in each color scheme and size ... pathetic. Anyway ... I'll try the gmax ... If the local chowderhead's dont make fun of g-spot, g-string what not and can produce the helmet for me to try on ... else I might take a ride into your town.
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I had this exact same problem when I bought my Shoei RF-1000. Shoei offers a ton of different sized cheek padding for their helmets. I bought a set that was a couple of mm thinner and the problem was solved. Look into the thinner sizes for your helmet.
Mine is a RF 800 ... no such goodies available for it. I believe I can yank out the lining and shave it as per my other riding buddy, but officially no rael way to do it. I wanna break it in and then try it.
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