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I've been stunting on quads for years, and want to take it to the street. Just wondering if anyone else out there does it.

How about taking it to the track and the parking lot so that the rest of us stay safe?  :thumb:

On my dirtbike on my land I mess around alot, on the street I've wheelied on friends bikes with permission down a private paved road, thats about all of it.

EDIT: On a random sidenote, I tried to have a friend of mine take a pic of me wheelieing the dirtbike, and it was near impossible because my digital camera would't take pics as you hit the button, it would autofocus and do all sorts of annoying stuff, so it would get me going up, comming down, and never at the peak. I wish I had more room to hold the front wheel up but my field is so skinny I can only hold it for a couple seconds before hitting the trees.

I like watching people do it.   :dunno:

Hammu does it.  97gs500 (I think) does it.  And various others.  The links you may find on the subject on this forum are numerous.  

I do a bunny hop on my GS.  So far as I know, I'm the only one to ever do this trick.

Quote from: Jake DI do a bunny hop on my GS.  So far as I know, I'm the only one to ever do this trick.

Where's the video?? I wanna see this! :P  :mrgreen:

keep it out of the "streets", everyone hates it and you make it worse for other bikers and people in cars. a parking lot or a back street are fine, but once you take it to traffic you risk it for everyone.  i can wheelie a bike pretty far, but that isnt stunting to me, you got to be able to ride for blocks and stoppies and combos on lock, so i wouldnt label myself as a stunter yet.  i have pics in the wall of fame though, check em out.

First of all, I wanna know what the hell a quad can do that is actually qualified as stunting...a wheelie? Your best bet is a closed highway, they are the best and overpasses can hide you from the police. For long wheelies on the GS practice getting it up in the 11 o'clock and keeping the balance up by juggling the throttle, don't be scared to wind the revs out of your engine and hit the rev limiter to get a good balance. Then from there you can practice shifting up through wheelies.

if you are juggling the throttle is is very uncontrolled, it should be quite constant steady throttle with the rear brake keeping it at balance point.  the gs doesnt have a limiter.

I was going to say, does the GS have a limiter? the size of the carbs decide where the redline is right?

Quote from: Chris_BI was going to say, does the GS have a limiter? the size of the carbs decide where the redline is right?

nope,  stroke, overall compression,friction,centriffical forces, Cam profile, valve spreings, overall Flow from carbs to exhuast pipe. some electronics if provided

the simple answer?  Mathmatics

haha oh, On the cb550 ive heard you can put cb750 carbs on (4-5mm bigger) and it brings the redline from 9200 to 12000. Is this wrong? Although, id imagine it'd be rough on the engine.

they have rev limiters.....
it is called valve flutter....
sounds like a shaking  tin can of pennies....

I can't do a wheelie myself but as far as I can tell most everyone with a sport   bike can do it, doing it high and for as long as you desire though takes some skill I would imagine, that'd be a stunt in my books.

Quote from: Chris_Bhaha oh, On the cb550 ive heard you can put cb750 carbs on (4-5mm bigger) and it brings the redline from 9200 to 12000. Is this wrong? Although, id imagine it'd be rough on the engine.

your confusing RPM Redline :  a range Beyound specified limits of rotation in which parts can be self dystructive

and Power band : the zone of peak or most useable Horsepower


Larger carbs will generaly allow for more fuel and air to enter the engine (in theory anyway)

face it, if you pull the carb off, you cant get much more air in then that, unless you change bore, stroke, cam lift and duration ect

with stronger valve springs in a stock GS engine, you can probly push the redline safely over 13-14K RPM but there would be no point as power peters out about 9.5-10K on stock GS engines.

on the GS the redline is 11k? at 12K the valves no longer close fast enough to close comepletely, its juse bounces on the cam lobe, this is called valve float, power is no longer being produced suitable to rev higher. change those springs over to comp springs and you might safely reach a higher RPM before valve float, but the power band doesnt change.

now you must also watch the lower end too, the spinning mass and assolating (sp?) mass start fighting with themselves, they can reach a point of failure be it bearings or rod breaking.

So what limits the redline on the GS? the valves reach a point where the float, but whats stopping them from reaching that point? Do the carbs not limit the speed of the engine? below where things start to get messy of coarse, but its the size of the carbs that set the limit, isnt it?

Ok, ok, before everyone gets all preachy on me. I meant the equipment, not stunting in traffic. Jeez folks, I don't WANT to die. I was talking about empty parking lots, brand new undeveloped neighborhoods that have no houses, and shaZam! like that.

I consider anything that takes skill to be stunting. Yeah, anyone can pop a wheelie on a gx'r 1000, but can you ride it out past 150 coming out of a decreasing radious sweeper? Can you keep it up for 3 or 4 miles? As for the quad, you can do all sorts of variations with stoppies and wheelies. No handed, leg spreaders, and all kinds of goofy stuff that may not be cool to you, but takes some practice to get used to, and is really fun for the inexperienced to watch. I wasn't trying to upset anyone, just trying to see if anyone is into it. That's all.

Alot of us it a mode of transportation and can risk dropping it for no reason..  And I am sure my insurance would love to know I was doing that(Stunting).

Well, Gru does it, ive done it on my old CBR. I could do standups (no shifting though) stoppies and endo's are easy now, skitching is fun...burnouts are expensive. Its fun stuff, but i wont do it on my new CBR, im to scared im gonna hurt it.

*reconsidered*

Aw, hellwitit. Pop wheelies all you want.  It'll make all the girls wet, I'm sure.

Quote from: fat_sacI wasn't trying to upset anyone, just trying to see if anyone is into it. That's all.

Yah, there are some rather uptight people around here. One of my first memories of the board was someone asked how to do a wheelie and wow, did he get reamed for that  :roll: . I am not into stunting, but I think it is cool to watch. If I had another beater bike I'd consider it, but like aj said, many of us use it as a commuter bike and I am one of them. I have my car too but I rode my bike way too much to put it out of commission even temporarily while doing something that I could avoid.

If I had another bike to play with, things would probably be different ;)  :cheers:

Quote from: Phaedrusput it out of commission even temporarily while doing something that I could avoid.

So you're admitting the extreme likelihood of crashing while stunting, and you think it would be cool to do on public streets if you could spare the bike.

He never said it would be cool to do on public streets. He said stunting is cool to watch, which it is.

But he's complaining that people are being uptight, and the only beeyotching I've heard in this thread is about doing it on public roads; the implication was therefore that doing it on public roads is fine and we're uptight to beeyotch someone out for it.

IMO, If you want to crash your bike in your own backyard, that's your own call, and you're free to make it.

I agree, stunting on public roads is a no no in my book. I dont mind doin it on my street, or friends streets, or parking lots, but im not the only person that could get injured by doing it on public streets if i fug up.

To all you stunters.  When you crash please don't report it insurance!!!!!!!

Quote from: Roadstergal*reconsidered*

Aw, hellwitit. Pop wheelies all you want.  It'll make all the girls wet, I'm sure.

This did make me laugh out loud. I love to make a girl wet...And anyone who agrees that doin that shaZam! on the freeway is wrong, has a lil smarts. It has it's place and time, and traffic surely isn't it. I'm purposely buying a crashed and cheap bike so I can toss it and dump it and not cry the next mernin.

Boy, I wish I had money to throw away like that!!!!

Quote from: RoadstergalBut he's complaining that people are being uptight, and the only beeyotching I've heard in this thread is about doing it on public roads;

You know Roadstergal, sometimes I get really sick of your crap.  :roll: It was your ASSUMPTION that the stunting would be done unsafely on public streets. Don't project your "morals" onto others based on weak assumptions, and act all high and mighty.

Yes, I was complaining about people being uptight. No, it isn't uptight to advise against stunting on public streets. It is pretty much a concensus based on common sense. But I never said anything about PUBLIC city streets, did I? Nope, that was another one of your assumptions. You like to do that, I see.

As soon as anyone mentions stunting, a lot of people get all worked up and look like this: -->  :o  The debate rages on about how squidly it is, the likelyhood of damage, etc, etc. He asked if anyone does it, not what YOU think of stunters.

Since you are an avid motorcyclist, you've been to atleast one stunt show, right? It might or might not have been your thing, but I am sure you were initially interested enough to go to it and check it out. And if you haven't been to a stunt show, then you need to stop preaching about something you don't know about. Either way, you too had atleast enough interest to go see a show, or you're talking about something you know nothing of.

I don't even have to justify this to you or anyone else; I'm not even a stunter! The guys that ARE stunters don't have to justify anything to you, either. Sometimes you need to be told to step off your high horse and take a reality check... :roll:

I think stuning is pretty cool to watch.  It is popular here in this area.  I'll never do it, I'm sure, but. . .

I can't imagine anyone stunting a GS though.  And I really don't see how you could stunt a GS on the freeway.  This, I think, I totally impossible unless you were just skitching or standing on the seat.  But you'll NEVER see a guy on a GS blow by you on the interstate doing a wheelie.  Just not enough ponies.  

How often is it that someone actually causes an accident with a 3rd party by stunting?  Has anyone heard of this happening?  I think it is about 1000 times more likely a drunk A-hole in a car will smash somebody on a motorcycle than a motorcycle hit a car because he was stunting.  

Also, I think it is interesting to read about stunting.  I like hearing how to do the tricks.  This is something very few media sources cover.

Quote from: PhaedrusIt was your ASSUMPTION that the stunting would be done unsafely on public streets.

Ok...everyone calm down..breathe in...breathe out.....caaaaalm....   :cheers:

I think it was fair to assume that the question was about street stunting since sac said in his first post that he wants to take it to the streets. I think many of us here are VERY safety conscious, and I think that's seen as uptight by others. Yes, that's an ASSumption I'm making, but it's simply through my own observations.

I happen to think that stunting in arenas is very cool, too. I think it takes amazing talent and skill to be able to do what I've seen in arenas. However, I don't think that this sort of stunting should be done by the general biking population on public streets, highways, etc. If that makes me uptight, well...I'm an ol' lady anyways, so names don't bother me.  :lol:  :mrgreen:

Now...can we all just get along?  :mrgreen: Agree to disagree?  :cheers:  Be respectful toward each other? :kiss:  Group *HUG*????  :nana:  ;)

I can do a Bunny Hop on my 50. :thumb:

Quote from: PhaedrusIt was your ASSUMPTION that the stunting would be done unsafely on public streets.

Quote from: RoadstergalBut he's complaining that people are being uptight, and the only beeyotching I've heard in this thread is about doing it on public roads; the implication was therefore that doing it on public roads is fine and we're uptight to beeyotch someone out for it.

It was a completely reasonable assumption, based on both the OP and the posts that followed afterwards.

I even made a post inviting you to clarify your position (one down on the second page).  You had the opportunity to say "No, you have my position wrong - I was saying..." without getting your panties in a wad.

ahh the good ole gs forum. a bunch of boring suckups. not really just a select few ;) . who know who they are. last time I checked there wasnt any cops searching this forum. we can all take down the "im a perfect rider crap"
and finally other people on here were just as annoyed as I was with some of the BS that gets thrown around here.


here is a novel idea. DO WHAT YOU WANT. stunt if you want to.
have fun with life!   if i see anyone stunting on the streets I give them a huge thumbs up and yell out WOOHOOO or HELL YEA> cause I sure love to hear it when Im standing up on my seat or surfing the pavement :) >

much love to all motorcycles and to pushing the limits of everything!

Quote from: Susuki_Jahlast time I checked there wasnt any cops searching this forum.

No grammar cops, at least, which is a good thing for you...  :P

As to the rest...  

Quote from: Roadstergal

Quote from: Susuki_Jahlast time I checked there wasnt any cops searching this forum.

No grammar cops, at least, which is a good thing for you...  :P

As to the rest...  

well considering I finished college and there really has never been such thing as a grammer cop , then there was never really anything for me to worry about now was there? id rather not worry about grammer on a internet site than be a safety nazi and addicted to the internet.

Quote from: RoadstergalNo grammar cops, at least, which is a good thing for you...  :P
As to the rest...  

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

That's better! I can feel the love already!  :mrgreen:

post whores. awesome

Quote from: Susuki_Jahpost whores. awesome

Nice to know you're always a duck; I was thinking it was only on occasion.

Who's the bigger idiot: The ones who spend time on here helping people and learning, or the people who come here and talk shaZam!? Go to Fark.com and be the guy who complains in every thread about how lame and old it is.

you guys are helping people? when did that happen?  and im only a duck to people who are straight up retarted is that why you might think im being a duck to you?

you are just getting a dose of what some of you do on here.. someone writes "hey its fun to stunt" you guys write "WTF that is so stupid and the police will get you blah blah im the  mr or mrs safety I rule" .... same thing dude. no one likes people to post the same shaZam! over and over so get over it.

Quote from: Susuki_Jahahh the good ole gs forum. a bunch of boring suckups.

GFY.

Quote from: Susuki_Jahyou guys are helping people? when did that happen?  and im only a duck to people who are straight up retarted is that why you might think im being a duck to you?

you are just getting a dose of what some of you do on here.. someone writes "hey its fun to stunt" you guys write "WTF that is so stupid and the police will get you blah blah im the  mr or mrs safety I rule" .... same thing dude. no one likes people to post the same shaZam! over and over so get over it.

I have gone from knowing nothing about bikes to doing my own services, mods, etc., all from the help of people here. So the no help thing is out the window, pal. I'm sorry that we are all inferior to you. I bow down to you and your mastery of motorcycles.

And why does it bother you so bad? You know the three topics that are beat into the ground: Gear, MSF Course, and Stunting. Everyone is pro the first two and almost always anti the third one. It's pretty well-known; I'd think that someone as wise and talented as you would know that.

You wouldn't happen to be a short guy, would you? People with inferiority complexes tend to try and make others feel/look stupid. Do you ever hear truly smart people call others stupid? Nope, it's the people with IQs that match their hat size that throw "idiot", "stupid", etc. around.

I'll let you sit on my shoulders if you want to see what the rest of us see.

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Quote from: Susuki_Jahyou guys are helping people? when did that happen?  and im only a duck to people who are straight up retarted is that why you might think im being a duck to you?

you are just getting a dose of what some of you do on here.. someone writes "hey its fun to stunt" you guys write "WTF that is so stupid and the police will get you blah blah im the  mr or mrs safety I rule" .... same thing dude. no one likes people to post the same shaZam! over and over so get over it.

I have gone from knowing nothing about bikes to doing my own services, mods, etc., all from the help of people here. So the no help thing is out the window, pal. I'm sorry that we are all inferior to you. I bow down to you and your mastery of motorcycles.

And why does it bother you so bad? You know the three topics that are beat into the ground: Gear, MSF Course, and Stunting. Everyone is pro the first two and almost always anti the third one. It's pretty well-known; I'd think that someone as wise and talented as you would know that.

You wouldn't happen to be a short guy, would you? People with inferiority complexes tend to try and make others feel/look stupid. Do you ever hear truly smart people call others stupid? Nope, it's the people with IQs that match their hat size that throw "idiot", "stupid", etc. around.

I'll let you sit on my shoulders if you want to see what the rest of us see.

No im actually 6' tall and I have no problem with people telling other people to wear gear.. but a select few call others here on the forum stupid for not wearing gear or stunting and constantly go over and over about it. Ive been helped by a few people on here aswell. most of them you dont see post much but I have been helped. I never said this site as a bad place. I love this site and there are alot of good people on here. But a few of you know that you need to back off from peoples choices. I dont know where the hell you get off saying im short? you want pictures or somthing? are you ghey or somthing?

Yes, you caught me; I am a homersexual. It's such an obvious correlation: Saying somone is short in an attempt to explain their inferior-like complex=automatic homersexual

I should have learned that one early. Oops, I did it again.

Quote from: 2005-GS500-PDXYes, you caught me; I am a homersexual. It's such an obvious correlation: Saying somone is short in an attempt to explain their inferior-like complex=automatic homersexual

I should have learned that one early. Oops, I did it again.

:thumb: good for you.

I just pray that your cousin doesn't find out; I don't know if she'd ever forgive me.  :o

Quote from: 2005-GS500-PDXI just pray that your cousin doesn't find out; I don't know if she'd ever forgive me.  :o

did I say I had cousins? last time I checked I havent talked to them in like 5 years.


but im gonna go ride my bike now seeing as how I would rather do that than waste my time with a pimple popper like you ;) .

cheers  :cheers:

I can't say mom or sister, because who even knows who has deceased relatives. Cousin felt safe.

You win again. You always do.

Ok so I'm gonna try to get this back on topic... which I believe was stunts. For those of you that've tried wheelies on a GS did you have to use the clutch to get it up or did simply accelorating hard do it?

Quote from: Susuki_Jahwell considering I finished college

Correspondence course?  Podunk U?

Quote from: Susuki_Jahpost whores. awesome

Hmm, who has the most posts in this thread today?  :)


Actually, this is reminding me of the rather silly but sometimes fun movie Straight Talk - one of the characters asks Dolly Parton where she got her degree.  "Where did ah get my degree?  Ah went to Screw U!"

Quote from: NarcissusOk so I'm gonna try to get this back on topic... which I believe was stunts. For those of you that've tried wheelies on a GS did you have to use the clutch to get it up or did simply accelorating hard do it?

Search for Wheelies.  Believe it or not, the topic has been beaten to death. :)

There are two primary ways to do a wheelie on a GS.

1) One guy can pre-load the forks by pushing down on them and then gunning it.

2) 99% of the other people that do it go along pretty slow, like 5 mph, pull in clutch, rev to between 5K and 7K and pop clutch.   This also seems to work from a stand still.  

You can put your left foot on the passenger footpeg if you want, but I'd leave your right covering the brake.

Quote from: 2005-GS500-PDXDo you ever hear truly smart people call others stupid? Nope, it's the people with IQs that match their hat size that throw "idiot", "stupid", etc. around.

Quote from: Albert EinsteinTwo things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.

:)

Not that I agree with Susuki_Jah.  It's obvious he doesn't agree with the prevailing philosophy here.  So why does he hang around?  Just seems kinda dumb.

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Quote from: 2005-GS500-PDXDo you ever hear truly smart people call others stupid? Nope, it's the people with IQs that match their hat size that throw "idiot", "stupid", etc. around. /quote]

Quote from: Alber EinsteinTwo things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.

:)

Not that I agree with Susuki_Jah.  It's obvious he doesn't agree with the prevailing philosophy here.  So why does he hang around?  Just seems kinda dumb.

Are you comparing my post to the Einstein quote?

His name is AlberT, by the way  :nana:

D  :cheers:

I'm dumb.

But, I am infinite.  Which is nice!    :cheers:

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Quote from: aaronstjNot that I agree with Susuki_Jah.  It's obvious he doesn't agree with the prevailing philosophy here.  So why does he hang around?  Just seems kinda dumb.

Perhaps to ejimicate us, like Guest?  :?  :lol:

Quote from: 2005-GS500-PDXAre you comparing my post to the Einstein quote?

No, I'm saying Einstein was a pretty smart guy, and he called people stupid.  All of 'em.  At once.  Times infinity.

So there.

Quote from: aaronstj

Quote from: 2005-GS500-PDXAre you comparing my post to the Einstein quote?

No, I'm saying Einstein was a pretty smart guy, and he called people stupid.  All of 'em.  At once.  Times infinity.

So there.

I figured that was what you were saying. However, I never heard of him walking up to someone and saying "You, good sir, are stupid." You know what I mean? It's different to point at one person than to generalize about a large group. Like if I say "Americans as a whole are becoming increasingly overweight", I'm making a blanket statement. If I say "Hey Hot Karl, you're fat", then I'm being judgemental and should check myself. Before I wreck myself. I guess... :?

Dave  :cheers:

Yeah, yer right.  I was just trying for a cheap laugh. :)

Albert included himself in that.  It was a little moment of self-deprecating humor.  And accurate in the non-self-deprecating side of it, to boot. :)

And there's no proof that he was even smart. I don't know if anyone's actually ever seen him, to be honest. He's a part of American mythology, as are the Jolly Green Giant, dinosaurs, and Burt Reynolds.  ;)

Minor Dave  :cheers:

Roadstergal called me "Minor Dave" earlier, and I think it's funny for one reason or another  :lol:

The Skunk Ape is my favorite American myth.  I was in Florida a couple years ago and we were looking for the Skunk Ape.  
With us, we brought:
5 gallon bucket of uncooked lima beans - 1.
Net - 1.
Flash light - 3.
Insect repellant - 1.
Fabreeze - 1.
Pepper spray - 1.
Video camera - 1.

We didn't see him, but an old farmer pulled up in this truck.  He had two crates in the bed of the truck with dogs in them.  The dogs, I could tell, were pit bulls.  He said, "What are you boys doin'?"
I said, "We're looking for the skunk ape, sir."
He said, "Hell, I'm the skunk ape!"  He laughed.  
I said, "What kind of dogs are those?"
He said, "Pig killers."
I said, "Welp.  We were just getting ready to take off.  Nice to meet you!"

Well, I hate to say it, but my main concern was stoppies and the front forks folding in on themselves or the frame cracking when landing a 12 o'clock stunt. I didn't ONLY mean wheelies. I also figured that if ANYONE at all was out there stunting, I could find out about gearing and ponies and any other help I might find. I do know for a fact that one cool thing about the GS is it's wieght advants against a less flickable bike. Didn't at all mean to hear about Albert calling the entire race stupid, and some pig f%$king ape skunk. lol. :lol:

A search for "stoppies" would get you what you want.

The rear brake is a good way to come down really quick and pop a fork seal. The proper way to do it is do it slowly increasing the wheel hight. I learned on a dirtbike because its easier and they crash cheaply, aka they crash and you pick it up again... although I never crashed.

Wheelies are definitely fun, but as everyone said, traffic isn't the place to do em. I mostly learned because if you can't wheelie or bump the rear wheel up to clear things on a dirtbike you're not an effective trail rider... it just transfered over.