There have been a few posts about doing the rear integrator without buying the kit for $90. I thought I'd get into detail on what to buy, what to do, and add some pics. So I am just in the beginning, so here we go.
Go to the store and buy the Reese Towpower Trailer Light Converter, Part #74209. I got it at GI Joes for $13.
Here is a picture of it:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/all_out_of_gum/Integrator%20Kit/PDR_0278.jpg)
Here's the side that I'll hook up to the wires coming from the bike (labled "to car"):
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/all_out_of_gum/Integrator%20Kit/PDR_0281.jpg)
The side that I'll hook up to the wires coming from the brake cluster (labeled "to trailer"):
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/all_out_of_gum/Integrator%20Kit/PDR_0283.jpg)
And the body of the unit:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/all_out_of_gum/Integrator%20Kit/PDR_0285.jpg)
So the wires are labeled like this:
To Car
Green- Rt turn
Red- Stop
Yellow- Left turn
Brown- Tail ( I don't think I'll use this one, right?)
White- Ground
To Trailer
Green- Right turn/ stop
Yellow- Left turn/ stop
Brown- Tail (Again, I think this isn't used)
White- Ground
Assuming that I'm correct about not using the Tail wire, it's basically a 4-into-3 converter. The ground is straight across, making it a 3-into-2 converter. So I will just need the left blinker power, right blinker power, and brake power. On the other side, I just need the right tail light power, and left tail light power. I'm ready!
So I'm going to bed. Tomorrow after work, I'll try and take pics as I go along. I think it'll be pretty easy. But then again, I probably just jinxed myself :x
Dave :cheers:
Awesome. Hope it turns out well. Take not only pictures but notes along the way to help us other guys install it if all goes well :thumb:
For sure. It really seems simple (at least in my head... :roll: ), and I think it should turn out pretty nice. I believe I just need to locate the wires to the turn signals and the ones to the brake lights, and I should be set from there. I heard something about the possibility of the turn signals blinking faster unless you get a capacitor or some crap, but we'll see. I've got that and painting the windscreen black as my two projects. I picked up the Krylon Fusion paint for plastics, and hope to get it as nice as tdan553527's:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/tdan553527/adadf.jpg)
I'll post after work.
Dave :cheers:
Quote from: 2005-GS500-PDX.....I heard something about the possibility of the turn signals blinking faster unless you get a capacitor or some crap, but we'll see.....
The turn signals will flash faster when you apply the brakes due to less resistance with a turn signal bulbs removed. It can be fixed by adding a couple of resistors. Use a 10W 6.8ohm resistor and connect it across the the two wires going to the indicator. No harm if left alone.
There we go. I thought it was you who said that, but I wasn't sure and didn't want to falsely give you credit ;)
I'm not exactly sure what that means (connect it across the the two wires going to the indicator), but I may just leave it alone. Unless you wanna explain briefly...
dave
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I never installed the resistors when I did the integrator on my TLR. The way I understand it is that the resistor acts like another bulb so it is installed between the two wires that would go to the turn signals. Now I am not sure if it need to be installed before or after the integrator box. Sorry but I am more mechanical than electrical.
Quote from: dgyverSorry but I am more mechanical than electrical.
No sweat, you have been so much help already. Did you read the first post in this thread? Am I correct about not using the tail wire? And about the other hookups?
Dave :cheers:
The tail light would be your running light, low filament. I believe it is the brown wire from the brake bulbs. But since it is not affected with the turn/brake light function, it does not need to be connected.
Everything else looks right.
Ah, the running light, good catch. OK, it's also brown on the integrator, so that'll be easy. OK, can't wait to get off...shaZam!, 6 hours still. Damn :x
Dave :cheers:
hows it coming along
OK, it's done, and I couldn't be happier. I have 24 pictures, and a step-by-step rundown of what to do. I didn't write as I went (what am I, a stenographer???) but I think I still have it in my hungover head. I will create a new thread that will give a how-to on it. Then, people can make it a FAQ if wanted, or do whatever. Here's a pic to tease you...
Does anyone object to me starting a new thread for it? And there will be 27 total pics (24 new, 3 old)...cool??? :dunno: John? Mods?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/all_out_of_gum/PDR_0317.jpg)
This is with no brakes on, right turn signal on.
Dave :cheers:
Glad you got it all worked out :thumb:
Starting a new thread may be a good idea as well as adding this to the FAQ forum.
By all means, write it up as a seperate thread. Do a thorough job, post it, then let the mods decide if they want to move it to the How-To section. If you don't write it that way, it will be a mish-mash hackjob that no one can make sense of. Also, posting it here for group feedback (checking for any factual errors, clarifying schematics, etc.) will give everyone a chance to see it and make comments, so you'll know if there are any sections that need improvement or changes BEFORE it becomes an actual How-To.
IOW, just do it; you don't need permission from anyone to write or post it. Worst case is that it won't become a How-To, but a lot of people will benefit from it anyway. Seems like win/win to me...
Cool. I'll work on it through the day and have it up around 4. That picture is blurry, but it looks pretty good, agreed?
I need to Dremel the rest of the fender and possibly fabricate a new license plate bracket. then it'll look really clean.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/all_out_of_gum/PDR_0314.jpg)
Dave :cheers:
Just an update: I've gone through all the pictures and circled the important parts in each. I think it's pretty clear. I'll hopefully have it up before I leave tonight. Should be a good one!
Dave :cheers:
Take your time; you seem to do good work with hardware, now let's see how well you document it. If you rush and mangle it, you'll have only yourself to blame. BUT HURRY UP I WANT TO SEE IT! :lol:
I did that to my bike, but forgot the pics.. It's easy to do if you take your time, and looks a lot better in my mind than stock.
It' easier seen at night for sure though, in the day it can look like your back brake light is flashing.
OK, it's done. shaZam!, that took forever. I hope everyone finds it both helpful and enjoyable. I know I hate reading textbook-style writeups, so I wrote in the style I usually use: to the point but also doses of humor to keep it from making you fall asleep.
Let me know if I can change or add anything. It's like a report: you did it, so you know what it SHOULD say, however you may not notice omissions because the idea's already in your noodle. Someone else, however, will notice because they don't know what it should say.
Dave :cheers:
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Wiket!!
In case you can't find it (unlikely)...
http://www.gstwins.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20791
Dave :cheers:
First off, great job on the write-up and pictures Dave! :cheers: Really top notch stuff. This will probably be the first mod I do to my GS.
QuoteThe way I understand it is that the resistor acts like another bulb so it is installed between the two wires that would go to the turn signals.
If the resistors act like another bulb, can I just leave the factory turn signals in the loop and ignore the resistors? Or would I need a smaller resistor? I'm not looking to remove the factory signals, but rather to supplement them with the blinking taillight.
Thanks amigo. I got no feedback and was afraid that nobody saw it.
I did not install resistors. I just did the write-up exactly as it was written. The only thing that is screwy is that the signals blink faster when you have the brakes and signal on simultaneously. Did I spell that right? Anyways, it's no big deal.
One thing I thought of after the fact was making it super-custom and adding an amber bulb in the cluster for the signals, just so they would really stand out. But I am pleased with the results. One thing I am working on is turning the lens cover into 2 individual sections. Similar to an R1 I believe? So that rather than illuminating 65% of the lens cover when the signal is on, it would only illuminate the half it is in. More news at 11...
Dave :cheers:
QuoteOne thing I am working on is turning the lens cover into 2 individual sections. Similar to an R1 I believe? So that rather than illuminating 65% of the lens cover when the signal is on, it would only illuminate the half it is in. More news at 11...
Thats sounds really cool. I'd be interested in that update. :thumb:
What I'm doing is (prepare for the SE PDX ghettoness) using 2 coffee cups over the bulbs as a mock-up. Cut the ends off and put in the cover, just to see how it looks. From there, I'm gonna try and find a cover that I can mod to fit or make a clay mold inside the current cover and form it myself. We'll see... who know what I'll think of when I'm drinking.
Dave :cheers:
Will this work on a 1999 ?
I done mine at work today, took 1.5 hrs and $16. Looks better cut the tail.What does everyone do with there tag now.
Okey dokey. So I am all done with the work I needed to do. Here are the shots of what I did:
I wanted shorter signals. The LEDs didn't work for me, so I searched for some that would. And by "searched for some", I mean I walked into Cycle Gear and got the cheapest pair that looked like they would work. Here they are next to the stockers:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/all_out_of_gum/Moto%20Mods/IMG_0478.jpg)
And here is the bike (pre-washing, may I add) with one of each:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/all_out_of_gum/Moto%20Mods/IMG_0480.jpg)
A few notes. One, I put tinfoil on the inside of the bulb housing to make them brighter. It worked, as they look brighter than stock. Also, I got the Cycle Gear mailer this week, and these and other similar signals are on sale for $3 rather than $12. Not sure if it's only online or in-store, by the way.
So, I also did a fender elimination and taillight integrator:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/all_out_of_gum/Moto%20Mods/IMG_0486.jpg)
As you can see, the fender is gone. However, I cut it up and taped in such a way that there is still plastic under the seat, so the wiring's not all exposed.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/all_out_of_gum/Moto%20Mods/IMG_0487.jpg)
I tinted the windscreen black with Krylon Fusion Black paint dye. I know, the Suzuki script is fading. I'm gonna cover it with a Suzuki sticker. And the screws are not there on the screen; again I know. I need to go to the dealer and get some more.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/all_out_of_gum/Moto%20Mods/IMG_0493.jpg)
And that's what I did. Here are two more shots. I hope you all like it; I love it.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/all_out_of_gum/Moto%20Mods/IMG_0483.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/all_out_of_gum/Moto%20Mods/IMG_0484.jpg)
By the way, don't fret: the houses in the pictures are not leaning, I just tilted the camera to make the bike straight in the pics ;)
Dave :cheers:
Finally got a chance to do the rear signal integrator mod on my 04F. I couldn't find the reese part you listed, but did find a version that Hoppy makes.
(http://www.usdrews.com/images/gdrew/gstwin/Hoppy38845.jpg)
For the turn signals I didn't cut them, but spliced into the hot line leaving the stock signals functioning on the bike. I hooked up everything, including the ground and running light. Some sites suggested not hooking up the ground and running light, such as here (http://www.81x.com/Authors/bugman/gixxermods_1.aspx). :dunno:
Anyway, the mod worked, kinda. The stock turn signals still work fine, but the brake light turn signal is really dim until the brake is pressed. I guess the integrator isn't getting the full voltage it needs because of the stock signals still being in the loop. :dunno: This setup did fix the fast flashing problem, the signals flash at the normal rate no matter what.
If I remove the ground and running light from the hoppy plug will it make any difference on the dim turn signals? How about if I pull the turn signals ground line up to the hoppy plug? My guess is that the voltage for the turn signal is being split between the hoppy plug and the factory turn signal bulb, causing it not to light brightly (Parallel circuit, instead of series?). Kinda wierd though that the factory turn signal is still bright...
That website is awful. All of the sentences were cut off. Did anyone else get that?
You should have dyed the shorties black before install... The white looks cheeky.
Quote from: RVertigoYou should have dyed the shorties black before install... The white looks cheeky.
I like the white. I first thought the same thing you do, but then I noticed that I liked the whites with the white paint on the fairings. I'm not mad at them.
Dave :cheers: