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QuoteAll I want is a kick-butt set of leathers for SERIOUS riding

so why are you looking at joe rocket crap?

if you want some riding gear designed for riding then find a real company that cares about the product and dosn't try to market to the mainstream. the only reason that they even make "girl leathers" is because it has become fashionable for girls to be a accessory on the back.

cheep leathers
http://www.teknicgear.com/catalog.php?styleid=1&pid=40

although they don't offer them in pink, If they fit you right, even with the full CE upgrade kit they are cheeper than the JR crap. (never mind that the trixie crap isn't track leagel due to the lack of a 360* zipper at the waist)


please ignore the negitive tone, that's just me being a ass.

For one-piece leathers, you either have to go custom or get the Dainese Yoyo (the only current production one-piece for women).  I did the latter.  Teknic does make a 'serious' two-piece for women, but the men who read bike mags aren't interested in looking at something so utilitarian.   :roll:

http://www.teknicgear.com/catalog.php?styleid=1&pid=40

(http://www.teknicgear.com/media/products/sportbike/v2pcs_main.jpg)

Vanson will make you a suit, too.  But the pic on their women's site shows a woman in jeans and a little bitty yarmulke helmet, and I ding them for that.

I wasn't actually - it was just an ad that had chicks and leather - there are so few women's leather options out there as it is I have to check all new things thoroughly!

I have absolutely no problem with the girls OR the pants in that ad. Call me crazy. Or hetero, whatever you prefer.

Dave  :cheers:

Let me see... 2005 GSX-R 1000.  One gal in jeans.  All in flared pants that will ride up instantly in a crash.  All in heels, which fook with your ability to use the controls.  Not a helmet in sight.

Do you have a rash fetish?  Or a brain damage fetish?

i actually found these awesome ones "on&off" leathers that I'd buy in a heartbeat, but they don't distribute anywhere! - very cool stuff though

(http://www.albabici.com/on-off/leather-suits/images/racing-tatoo-r11.jpg)

(http://www.albabici.com/on-off/leather-suits/images/racing-tatoo-r13.jpg)

http://www.albabici.com/on-off/womens/w-tatoo-main.htm

Quote from: Roadstergal
Do you have a rash fetish?  Or a brain damage fetish?

Who, me?

Ja.  If you have no problem with their gear...

edited previous post.

That picture is so hot...  :thumb:

Quote from: davipuedited previous post.

Hey, nice link.   :lol:  :)

ya, I started editing it before you posted it.  

anyone else notice that the chick in the grey is wearing blue gloves?

Quote from: RoadstergalJa.  If you have no problem with their gear...

I don't have a problem with their gear, either. I think those girls in the ad looks HOT.  :thumb:  :kiss:

Of course, those girls in the ad are MODELS, who probably are not motorcycle riders. They look good for what they are; models. And they are dressed better than many riders (male or female) that I've seen, with the exception of not having any helmets.

2005-GS500-PDX - Don't let Roadstergal try to intimidate you. You didn't say anything wrong :lol:  :roll:

Hey... At least it's something.  It may not be the best gear in the world, but crappy gear is better than no gear...

Would you rather see them wearing Daisy Dukes and a tube top?

I bet those JoRok Grrl leather pants would give more protection than the pants I ride in. :dunno:

Dig their hair.

Those pants are for the Starbucks posers.

What's up with women getting "tri-dimensional leather" that wil  "SATISFY THE RIDER in all extreme conditions" ?!?!?!?
:lol:  :o  :lol:  :o
:

I'm really good at starting fights around here!  :P

Quote from: RoadstergalJa.  If you have no problem with their gear...

Ooooh, someone's jealous!



Phaedrus, I know. No sweat. I'm just a quarter-lifed dirtbag. Excuse me for only caring that they're hot.  ;)

Dave  :cheers:

i whouldn't even insult crappy gear by including JR crap in that notion.  
other than their race suits which have to be tested, the rest is made in a sweatshop in Korea IIRC. to standards which even nike whould be appalled at. the shaZam! is known to fall apart, have armor failures, zipper failures, among other assorted problems, you will be lucky to get a year out of the stuff.

Quote from: RVertigoWould you rather see them wearing Daisy Dukes and a tube top?

A pic showing off manufacturer's clothing is supposed to show ideal gear-up - because it can.  This doesn't.  Poseur gear just leads to folk spending money on gear that doesn't protect.  Certainly, jeans don't cut it.  But if you're going to shell out for leather pants, I'd far rather have a selection of useful leather pants available.  With this poseurwear, some hetero says "Oh, honey, you'd look so cute in that!" and then they use their resources on pricy fashionwear, rather than useful moto gear.
Road rash isn't sexy.  Yuo can google the pics to prove it.

Honestly, I don't think those pante would be much better than jeans in a crash.  Once they ride up - and they'd ride up in less than a second - it's bare skin on asphalt.

And no matter how much spray they used, those coiffes aren't Snell-rated.

You look at Dainese, and they have someone actually dressed for riding:

(http://www.dainese.com/img/1_Yoyo_A.jpg)

Now, is that so difficult?

There are magazines for ultra-soft-core porn already.  I know this is a radical thought, but motorcycle magazines should be about... motorcycling.

Quote from: RoadstergalYou look at Dainese, and they have someone actually dressed for riding:

Now, is that so difficult?

That just makes it harder for us to score.  ;)




Yes, let me say it before you do: Road rash makes it harder to score. I know, RGal, I know.





Speaking of road rash, and of scoring, anyone remember this one? Is that a Gixxer 750 in black?




Dave  :cheers:

QuoteYou look at Dainese, and they have someone actually dressed for riding

Bzzzzt... no gloves.

Quote from: RoadstergalAnd no matter how much spray they used, those coiffes aren't Snell-rated.

I've seen tons of ads where they're showing off a jacket and the guy has nothing else on...  I don't think the lack of helmets in the ad has anything to do with the Poseur gear pants.

And...  Yeah...  I've seen road-rash.  All I'm saying is that those Poseur gear pants are better than the crap I ride in. :dunno:

I'd rather see someone in crappy gear than no gear...  Frankly, there are people out there that refuse to wear gear 'cause it doesn't have the look they want...  Better to offer something that 20% that they'll wear than something that's 100% that they won't wear.

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QuoteYou look at Dainese, and they have someone actually dressed for riding

Bzzzzt... no gloves.

True, but I put mine on the bike seat when I'm getting off of the bike for a sec...




I assumed they're on the R1. ;)

I agree with RG:  those pants are stupid, especially coupled with the high heel boots.  That crap is designed for back seat ornaments, not riders.  And even then it's more form than function.

Dainese is hard to find to try on.  Even some of Alpinestars girls stuff is sorta on the tacky side (satin finish puffy type jackets), but i think they have some good female suits.

Quote from: 2005-GS500-PDXSpeaking of road rash, and of scoring, anyone remember this one? Is that a Gixxer 750 in black?

No, that's an '90's Yamaha FZR600. The other bike is an '88 Ducati 851 (with the mirrors integrated with the turnsignals; also, note it is shod with Dunlop K591's). The riders of both bikes is the same guy who posed for them. He is a member of BayAreaRidersForum.com where I frequent when this website has problems.

Quote from: junoDainese is hard to find to try on.

For locals, Ducati Seattle has a really good stock of their gear.  They had every size of Yoyo but the 44 they just sold, as well as a full selection of back protectors and two-piece gear for women.  Oh, and really nice gloves.  Pricy, but I think it's worth patronizing a place like that.

Quote from: RVertigo..I'd rather see someone in crappy gear than no gear...  

I agree with RVertigo on this 100%.

Not only that, but there are certain marketing realities we must face as consumers. One of the pillars of marketing: SEX SELLS. So obviously, sexy women in sexy gear are going to sell more product. The companies that produce and market these - and anything else - are primarily concerned with SELLING first, and your protection comes SECOND (if at all!). It is up to the consumer to read reviews, do research, etc., on the utility of the product. The seller just says "Hey, buy me! Buy me!".

And despite what you might think RG, not everyone is interested in or participates in track riding. Some of these girls that buy them are mostly for looks when they are riding on the back of their boyfriend's CBR or whatever.  :roll:  Like RVertigo says, atleast they have something on. And sometimes, not everyone has the money to go out and buy expensive leathers - if you rode one or two weekends a month, you wouldn't either unless you were financially well off. Yes, it only takes one crash - but something is still better than nothing.

BTW - The girls in the first ad are cuter than the one in the second ad.  :lol:  :roll:

Quote from: PhaedrusOne of the pillars of marketing: SEX SELLS. So obviously, sexy women in sexy gear are going to sell more product.

To who? To women?

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QuoteYou look at Dainese, and they have someone actually dressed for riding

Bzzzzt... no gloves.

They're in her helmet.

Quote from: scratch

Quote from: PhaedrusOne of the pillars of marketing: SEX SELLS. So obviously, sexy women in sexy gear are going to sell more product.

To who? To women?

To the boyfriends of said women.

Quote from: scratch

Quote from: PhaedrusOne of the pillars of marketing: SEX SELLS. So obviously, sexy women in sexy gear are going to sell more product.

To who? To women?

Ig-zactly.  If they're selling gear to women, sell it to women, not to their boyfriends by proxy.

I have to disagree that shaZam! gear is better than no gear.  If someone is facing two choices - fashionable street clothes or real gear - they can bow to necessity and wear real gear while they're on the bike.  If they're faced with fashionable street clothes, poseur gear, and real gear, they might choose the middle, even if it offers little to no more protection than street clothes - buying into the illusion that it's real gear.  Or the SO can pressure the buyer into the middle.

Certainly, the customer is at fault for buying into that illusion.  But the manufacturer is also at fault for perpetuating it.  And for giving us such limited "real gear" options so that they can peddle softcore to horny boys.

marketing realities? Ha. buy from a company that has built a reputation for quality, not from a company that feeds you crap and expects it to suffice.

To be clear, I am all for sexy men and sexy women.  But in the right context.  On bike - real gear.  Off of the bike - little frilly things.

I wouldn't mind having one of those girls wax my carrot.

Quote from: PhaedrusAnd despite what you might think RG, not everyone is interested in or participates in track riding. Some of these girls that buy them are mostly for looks when they are riding on the back of their boyfriend's CBR or whatever.

It doesn't hurt any less to crash at 70 from the back of a bike than from the rider's seat.  And street asphalt hurts no less than track asphalt.

Quote from: PhaedrusAnd sometimes, not everyone has the money to go out and buy expensive leathers

If you have the money for that leather junk, you have money for real gear.

Edit - I mean, if you get Cordura if leather is too expensive, that's one thing.  But if you're going to shell out for leather... and then you shell out for badly made (from a motorcycling/protective standpoint) leather... that's a big WTF?

This 'gear' is like lace condoms.  Sure, lace is pretty.  But there's a function here that needs to take priority.

you call your bike, "your carrot" ?

Quote from: davipuyou call your bike, "your carrot" ?

It's in reference to RGal's post in the Waxing Your GS thread.

Dave  :cheers:

Where's that tech sheet about road-rash resistant materials?

Shouldn't those pants be lower so your thong shows?



(http://prodtn.cafepress.com/1/23597841_F_tn.jpg)

Quote from: Roadstergal

I want to be reincarnated as a bull and killed and have my hide made into her suit. Would that not be a death worth having? Aw, heck, I'll just make it short, I want to be her leathers. To protect her, to sacrifice myself if she falls...

(http://www.uponone.com/pictures/905451067134515.jpg)

Now shes got the right gear on.

Quote from: callmelennyShouldn't those pants be lower so your thong shows?

What Denier is the Srinath thong?

Quote from: scratchI want to be reincarnated as a bull and killed and have my hide made into her suit.

You know it's probably Kangaroo, right?

Quote from: scratch

Quote from: PhaedrusOne of the pillars of marketing: SEX SELLS. So obviously, sexy women in sexy gear are going to sell more product.

To who? To women?

Yes.  It actually sells quite nicely to both sexes.

Quote from: scratch

Quote from: Roadstergal



is it just me or are the arms of that suit too short :?

also from a guy who has bought a couple of suits....
always get one a size too big....
middle age spread sucks most when you can't fit in your $1000 leathers :(


also custom made is probably in your future unless you are a perfect fit for off the shelf......

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Quote from: scratch

Quote from: Roadstergal



is it just me or are the arms of that suit too short :?

also from a guy who has bought a couple of suits....
always get one a size too big....
middle age spread sucks most when you can't fit in your $1000 leathers :(


also custom made is probably in your future unless you are a perfect fit for off the shelf......

the arms are fine...gloves for the track are long enough to cover that expanse ...

Quote from: scratchI want to be reincarnated as a bull and killed and have my hide made into her suit. Would that not be a death worth having? Aw, heck, I'll just make it short, I want to be her leathers. To protect her, to sacrifice myself if she falls...

Does your wife know what a perv you are? Wait...don't tell me...I don't wanna know! :P ;)

:mrgreen:

No one here has mentioned the two-piece Stella suits Alpinestars has to offer. Those don't seem like bad options to me.

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Quote from: scratchI want to be reincarnated as a bull and killed and have my hide made into her suit.

You know it's probably Kangaroo, right?

It's cow.

Quote from: 2005-GS500-PDX

Quote from: scratch

Quote from: PhaedrusOne of the pillars of marketing: SEX SELLS. So obviously, sexy women in sexy gear are going to sell more product.

To who? To women?

To the boyfriends of said women.

...AND to the mindless twit women that want to be "sexy just like the girl in the ad".

No offense Roadstergal, but sometimes you are "too smart" and "too logical". I very much agree with your point, but you are looking at it from a logical, rational, intelligent young woman. That's great. BUT NOT ALL FEMALES ARE AS LEVEL HEADED AS YOU ARE.

You are probably more of a female marketing anamoly than anything. A lot of the females under 30 that ride sport bikes that I know will choose sexy over safe. Yes, it is stupid - but yes, that is reality also. Reality is sometimes stupid, and as an intelligent person, you must surely realize that.

While the safe products you promote are clearly the BETTER choice, I am sure if we got the sales figures, the "sexy" stuff sells way better - and is what keeps these companies in business.

Quote from: Roadstergal

What Denier is the Srinath thong?

Depends on how long he has been wearing it :lol:  :?

and how many days do you have left under 30?

Quote from: Roadstergal

Quote from: aaronstj

Quote from: scratchI want to be reincarnated as a bull and killed and have my hide made into her suit.

You know it's probably Kangaroo, right?

It's cow.

Phooey.  I thought most race leathers were kangaroo?

Quote from: davipuand how many days do you have left under 30?

373.   :roll:

I've been looking at Keprotec.  Do they even make women's jackets outta that yet?

aaronstj - the REALLY expensive ones are. And if you can get it, that's what you want - it's the strongest leather out there. (Trust me, I'm from Kangaroo land!)

damned kagaroos.

Quote from: Maduro Mistressaaronstj - the REALLY expensive ones are. And if you can get it, that's what you want - it's the strongest leather out there. (Trust me, I'm from Kangaroo land!)

So...is the "gear" you're wearing in you avatar image made of kangaroo?  It looks suspiciously like...cotton.  ;)

sooo
does WAPL still play decent tunage?
OZ....cheezeland....WTF did you move?????
dang... can't even smoke in the bars any more....

Definition of a town in Wisconsin.....any intersection with 2 bars..... :cheers:

but, i doubt if OZ has Friday night fish fries.....lake pirch...drool....

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Chicks in Proper Gear:

(http://www.krpounware.com/misc/girls-1d.jpg)

http://www.tigerangel.com/

QuoteSo...is the "gear" you're wearing in you avatar image made of kangaroo? It looks suspiciously like...cotton.

badger, that pic was taken in the first hour I had my bike (when my "real" helmet, gloves and jacket were on backorder. I got all my stuff in the next couple of days after that and then never got any more photos :)

werase643 wrote:

Quotesooo
does WAPL still play decent tunage?
OZ....cheezeland....WTF did you move?????
dang... can't even smoke in the bars any more....

Definition of a town in Wisconsin.....any intersection with 2 bars.....  

but, i doubt if OZ has Friday night fish fries.....lake pirch...drool....

LOOOOOONG story on why I moved here. In short.
Came here for college.
Found a husband.
Moved with hubby to cheeseland.
Divorced husband.
Still stuck in cheeseland. (My cats are here!)
And we have a cigar lounge that you're still allowed to smoke in so I'm a-o-kay!

Because I've heard negative things about Joe Rocket from a couple of sides, I've been looking for a different make of waterproof jacket.  I'm looking at the Aquavent and the Sirocco.  The Sirocco looks like a better jacket...


But they don't make it for women.   :roll:

I ordered the men's MotoGP Alpine pants because they drop a pocket on the women's.  It just boggles my mind - why?

scratch - nice site - thanks!

Quote from: Maduro Mistressscratch - nice site - thanks!

It looks like they only have one jacket and one pant option each of leather and textile for women, though, and it doesn't have armor.

Roadster - actually if you click on any of the guys stuff it says in little print (avail in womens sizes 8 - 20)

Available in Australian sizing
Men's XS - XXL (95 - 120cm chest)
or Women's 8 - 20
Or made to measure
.....


In all honesty - I want something like this, but I have ah, hips, shall we say - she looks so friggin comfy though - I hate her!  :x

(http://www.ducatiwomen.com/images/women/achara3.jpg)

Ah, IC.

Well, you should go try it on...  :)   Nearest Ducati store.  Try on some Dainese leathers and sit on a 749 and make vruum noises.  That's what I did.

you really made vroom noises? LOL

my nearest dearler is about 80 miles from here. And then I'll want to buy a ducati and I've already set my mind on my next bike.

That, and I don't think I'd be able to fit my left foot in Dainese leathers - sigh...

In Europe (never ever in the US, of course) they have a day where you can go meed Rossi's "personal leather tailor" and get measured up for a custom suit and have him and his crew make it.

I hate everybody right now - I would KILL for an opportunity to do that.

OK after reading all of that.  Those girls look like hookers(the Joe Rocket ones) or really bad elvis impersonators ie flared pants.  If you like hookers cool, if you like hookers with road rash even better.  These leathers were probably designed by men who have no idea what women want or need especially in any type of athletic or competition type thing.  It is all sadly reminesant of the uniforms in "A League of their Own".

It is ok if a girl rides a bike as long as she looks cute????!!!!

http://www.helimot.com/index.shtml

http://www.jlindoleatherwear.com/

I actually tried on those JoeRocket chick leathers (the black ones with tan trim).  The jacket fit sorta ok, but seemed like it flared out alot at the bottom.  The pants were amazingly sexy...but low-rise? No way could I wear the pants without them zipped to the jacket.  I do not need plumber-crack from leathers!!

Quote from: jen_I do not need plumber-crack from leathers!!

I love seeing (and laughing at) girls on the back of a bike, with low-rise pant hanging halfway down. Do they not feel the breaze?

Quote from: dionysusI love seeing girls on the back of a bike, with low-rise pant hanging halfway down.

Me too :kiss:

One girl I know, who happens to ride a sportsbike, is awesome to ride behind. She is a bit on the squidly side as far as gear goes, and her t-shirt always hikes up her back. You get a great veiw of "The Tramp Stamp".

*ducks and hides from Roadstergal*

Quote from: dionysus

Quote from: jen_I do not need plumber-crack from leathers!!

I love seeing (and laughing at) girls on the back of a bike, with low-rise pant hanging halfway down. Do they not feel the breaze?

If they don't feel it now, they will when they crash...

What the heck is a tramp stamp????  :dunno:

Quote from: pandyWhat the heck is a tramp stamp????  :dunno:

:dunno:

Tattoo right above the ass-crack.   :thumb:

Something like this:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/316836926/317935528YYhbvz

Like RVertigo said, it is one of those kind of tattoos that are right above the ass on the lower back of a girl. Often, the girl is thin, trendy, wears low rises jeans and ashort tank top to show off the tattoo. Tell me you must have seen this before  :) . Some people call them tramp stamps, inferring a certain kind of girl who gets the tattoo is a certain kind of promiscous  :roll: . While I don't necessarily agree, it's a pop culture trend.  :dunno:

oooooooooooooooooooooohK...I've seen those before...Just hadn't ever heard that term. :P

:mrgreen:

QuoteThat tattoo might as well be a bullseye

Wedding Crashers.

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/mcy/99614675.html

It looks miniature against those tiles.

Quote from: RVertigoTattoo right above the ass-crack.   :thumb:

Giggity-giggity!

ahem.... I have a tattoo there,

it just happens to be a little, um, bigger than the usual ones!

(http://www.killercows.com/mtattdone.gif)

OH! And i just came back from the ducati dealer an hour and a half away from here and I FOUND a suit (guys) but it fit me like a glove!

(http://www.metricbikes-superstore.com/images/mbc/gpu-2pcs-black.jpg)

it's on hold till I can come up with the $800 to buy it - but it fits, and it looks AWESOME!

I am so happy :)

:o  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o

i see crack!!!!
i heard about the tramp stamp a couple of weeks ago
in proper reference... while at a bike shop

:o  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o


:mrgreen:

Quote from: Maduro Mistressahem.... I have a tattoo there

You rawk  :thumb: Looks good. One girl I dated had 8 tattoos total, and one "stamp". Hers was a heart in the center with tribal "wings", looked nice. My current GF has two, but not one there.

Anyway, start saving your pennies for the $800  :cheers:

Quote from: Maduro Mistressahem.... I have a tattoo there,
it just happens to be a little, um, bigger than the usual ones!

That's a work of art!  :thumb:

$800 is worth it for a suit that fits.  And that's a nifty tattoo.

Since we're mostly off-topic anyway, Maduro Mistress, what does ink like that cost?  

Putting it in motorcycling terms, are we talking equivalent to your new leathers, or equal to a pair of Bridgestone BT-45's, or are we in the ballpark of a shop hour?  :dunno:

I'd be willing to bet that tattoo cost her closer to the cost of a set of leathers, provided she did not know the artist and get a discount, etc. etc. Looks pretty custom, I'd guess somewhere between $400 and $500.  :dunno:

That is an awsome tattoo. Make mine seem so........small

Tats go from crappy to HOLY CRAP expensive...

I have two that were pretty cheap...  But, you can tell.   :lol:

lol - hey guys, well let's see. That one (my 6th piece) cost about $400 - $500 and was about 10 hours - give or take. The fairy part I had done 2 years ago - and it was my first tatt by my current artist, and he's done the last 4 after that. He charges me around $50 an hour - give or take - when his going rate is $160 / hr!!!!

I also introduced him to his wife, so I pretty much get whatever I want for really cheap :)

These are a couple of my other ones from him:

(http://www.killercows.com/mm-cigar-pic-2.jpg)

(http://www.killercows.com/mm-cigar-pic-3.jpg)

there are more, but I don't have pics of them!

I design and draw them all myself too - I'm trying to create something mnotorycle related right now - that's my next piece I wanna get! I love art!!!! Anyone have any ideas lemme know - I'm kinda drawing a blank on this one!

What did you do with Steve in 2000?

Well...  As long as we're posting tat pics...  Here's my "Jail Tat."  India Ink drilled in with a sharpened guitar string hooked into a hobby motor with a mechanical pencil body as a guide.   :lol:   I've had it for about 12 years...  And it's not done.

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y205/RVertigo/LegTat.jpg)

And my other one...  
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y205/RVertigo/AnkleTat.jpg)

Roadster - I married him - sigh... now I'm divorcing him :) YAY! lol

nice vertigo - when are you finishing them?

Quote from: Maduro MistressRoadster - I married him - sigh... now I'm divorcing him :) YAY!

Ahh. She "took the plunge".

Mistress, I love that tatoo on your back.  So original and sexy.

I got into this thread pretty late.  But I want to make one point to RG:

Quote from: Roadstergal

Quote from: RVertigoWould you rather see them wearing Daisy Dukes and a tube top?

A pic showing off manufacturer's clothing is supposed to show ideal gear-up - because it can.  This doesn't.  Poseur gear just leads to folk spending money on gear that doesn't protect.  Certainly, jeans don't cut it.  But if you're going to shell out for leather pants, I'd far rather have a selection of useful leather pants available.  With this poseurwear, some hetero says "Oh, honey, you'd look so cute in that!" and then they use their resources on pricy fashionwear, rather than useful moto gear.
Road rash isn't sexy.  Yuo can google the pics to prove it.

Honestly, I don't think those pante would be much better than jeans in a crash.  Once they ride up - and they'd ride up in less than a second - it's bare skin on asphalt.

And no matter how much spray they used, those coiffes aren't Snell-rated.

Okay, most of the time, when you see a woman dressed to the 9's, it is for both the benefit of men AND women.  Women see all those glamor fashion mags and get all polished up and go out.  Men are just as attracted to a beautiful woman that is in the grocery store wearing cut off sweat pants and a tank top.  We are able to (and actually enjoy) seeing potential beauty in a woman.  Potential for beauty is as powerful as present beauty.  We think, "put her in some nice low rise jeans, heals, and a cami, and I'd go crazy."  Girls see another girl dressed down and tear her to shreds.  So when you see adds like that, remember, it appeals to the woman's glamor mag side as much or more than to men.

Quote from: Jake DWomen see all those glamor fashion mags and get all polished up and go out.

I'm sure the type of women who read fashion mags do.  But what does that have to do with protective motorcycle gear?

Quote from: Jake DMen are just as attracted to a beautiful woman that is in the grocery store wearing cut off sweat pants and a tank top.

What does that have to do with protective motorcycle gear?

Quote from: Jake DGirls see another girl dressed down and tear her to shreds.

Maybe the girls you know.  I have no time for people like that, men or women.  But what does that have to do with protective motorcycle gear?

Quote from: Jake DSo when you see adds like that, remember, it appeals to the woman's glamor mag side as much or more than to men.

If you say so; I have no experience with glamor mags and no desire to.  But what does that have to do with protective motorcycle gear?

Like I said, it's fine if you like seeing a girl dressed up.  This has nothing to do with that.  This is about gear that is marketed as protective gear and is, by its very design nature, at best no more protective than street clothes, and at worst less.

I hear you.  There is no way I can match you on the subject.  You see, you feel as strongly about protective motorcycle gear as I feel about attractive women.  I'm afraid nary the tween shall meet.  I've my passions and you have yours.  

Much respect.

Quote from: Maduro Mistresswhen are you finishing them?

Um...  Probably never.  I have more tatts in mind...  Except...  With a real tattoo gun.   :lol:

Quote from: Jake DYou see, you feel as strongly about protective motorcycle gear as I feel about attractive women.

I'm not opposed to attractive women, or people who like to look at attractive women.  I'm opposed to BS motorcycle gear, and I don't know why everyone thinks this has anything to do with attractive women.  Those clothes would be just as pointless in a fall if a plain-faced gal were wearing them as they would be if a model were.

Maybe we can quit calling those clothes protective gear and call them what they are: eye candy!  
:cheers:

And by gawd, I like it!!!

Quote from: Jake Dcall them what they are: eye candy!

:thumb:

I like candy.

I still maintain that they're better than nothing...  

Quote from: PhaedrusAnd as such, it is subject to the laws of supply and demand.

And they're not supplying the worthwhile gear that real bikers demand.  They're acting on their own stereotype, not the realities of biking.  And it just makes no sense - people certainly sell construction worker fetish garb.  I'm cool with that; there's a fetish for everything, and it certainly makes sense to market to them.  But if I were an actual construction worker, and saw fetish gear being marketed as real construction gear, I would be as "WTF?" as I actually am.
Let them market this as fetish garb.  We're all cool with that.  I object to them marketing it as biking gear.  It ain't.

Quote from: PhaedrusAs long as the majority of female riders choose style over protection

How do you know?  Where's the study?  This is a niche male fantasy of female bikers.  Just take a look at this thread.  The defenders of the line are all men.  
Let's see if the line tanks, shall we?  Like the Kitty Chaps.  I've seen hundreds of women out in leathers, waterproof gear, etc.  I have yet to see a single pair of Kitty Chaps.  By your logic, since they're "sexy," I should see nothing but.

Quote from: PhaedrusIt all boils down to market interest: There is much more demand for lesser quality, more affordable, more stylish gear than there is for high quality, protective, utilitarian gear.

This gear isn't more affordable than more protective and utilitarian gear.  


OK, marketing.  In the bike world, there's one thing that sells better than sex.  Much, much better than sex.
Harleys.

Oh, MM, the short answer to your rhetorical question is - if you're not chopped liver now, you will be after your first off in JR gear.   :P

There is no better way to explain it.  So I give.  You see, men's brains are at least 1/3 bigger than womens, so it is useless.  Or as one of the first males known to man, E. Hemmingway said, "No hay remedio."  

You'll just have to trust me.  Attractive women are protected just fine in bell bottom chaps.

And if you don't believe me, I'll remind you that men invented the wheel, fire, motorcycles, and question marks (though we have learned to regret the latter).

I hope you know I am just kidding.  

*crawls under desk*

Quote from: Jake DAnd if you don't believe me, I'll remind you that men invented the wheel, fire, motorcycles, and question marks (though we have learned to regret the latter).

Dammit, I hate paying royalties...

Men claim they invented that stuff.  They probably saw a women invent it and then beat her over the head and stole the idea.

Quote from: ajgs500Men claim they invented that stuff.  They probably saw a women invent it and then beat her over the head and stole the idea.

No, probably not.

How do you know were you there???  History is always slanted to those in power.

You silly boys are arguing about the silly bell-bottom, eye-candy, non-moto clothes while RG has that HOT new avatar out there!!  :bs:  :nana:

DAMN!! It has ME drooling!!  :kiss:  What a FABULOUS pic of a REAL woman with REAL gear on a REAL moto!  :cheers:

YOU GO GRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :thumb:

oh and +1 to what Pandy said!!!!! :thumb:  :thumb:  :thumb:

Quote from: ajgs500How do you know were you there???  History is always slanted to those in power.

I don't know for a fact, but I know from reasoning that most of the innovations were by men. Not because men were superior, which we're not, but because men were traditionally more educated. In the "olden times" of western civilization, the wealthier men were the ones who got the education, had the leasure time to invent and create, etc. Women were often kept in the dark and discouraged from such things.

Things like fire and the wheel that were created EONS ago?? I don't know that for sure either. But most evidence points in the same direction. Men were hunters/protectors while the woman's job was more domestic.

But you are right, I don't know for a FACT, I wasn't there.  :dunno:

ya to stay home and cook which involved, I believe in those times, fire.

aperently someone needs to be clubbed and dragged back to the cave.

someone needs to not cook you dinner!!!!

I think that's something we all regularly do.  :)



The wheel was invented by a woman named Tricia.  I was there.

that just means I'll be hungry and horny when I stare at RG's avatar...

8)
Hey roadstergal I just got a sirocco jacket. It is great, too warm for now but it should be nice and warm in a couple of months. I took for a ride over the weekend, the vents worked great. I took out the liner and removed the collar even after the sun had set and temp dipped into the 60's the coat was warm.


Oops sorry about the thread jack. :mrgreen:

RG's avatar looks good, but the bottoms of those pants look waaaay too tight.   :kiss:

Quote from: Jake DRG's avatar looks good, but the bottoms of those pants look waaaay too tight.

How can you tell?  The bottoms are tucked into the boots.  Oh...wait a minute. :roll:  

You folks are incorrigible.

when joe rocket CE certifies ther armor that means that Charlie Edwardo made it and said it was good.  also they don't commet on thier stiching methods because they use a single stich with cotton thread. unlike teknic which uses a triple stich with kevlar thread so that the seams are stronger than the material.  and the leather and armor won't do diddly squat when it is flapping in the wind instead of being next to your skin.

Quote from: davipuand the leather and armor won't do diddly squat when it is flapping in the wind instead of being next to your skin.

That's exactly it.  It doesn't matter what the specs on that gear are. They're low-riders and bell-bottoms.  The former means that your midsection will take a good scraping, and the latter means that they'll ride up to your thighs, leaving everything below to commune with asphalt.

If you don't think they'll ride that high, you're underestimating the forces in a fall.  They're much more significant than a grab and a tug.  And when gear isn't held in place, it also has a much higher chance of tearing.  That's why you get warned away from bagginess when you're looking at suits.

Quote from: un1261Oops sorry about the thread jack. :mrgreen:

Methinks there's a lot of jacking going on in this thread.  :)

Sorry, still gotta call BS on the claims that this stuff is "no better and maybe worse" than regular old street clothes, or that it "won't do diddly squat".  You can throw out all the talk about riding up, single stitching, loose fit, whatever, but the idea that someone would fare worse in these pants and jacket than they would in jeans and a t-shirt is absurd!

The jacket & pants zip together, so that should alleviate some of the trouble there.  Only in a feet-first slide will the legs ride up, no guarantee that'll happen.  Riding boots would cover most of the exposed area as is, much like gauntlets would for those short-looking sleeves on the Dainese jacket.  Jokes aside, I'm sure the CE armor in these clothes is in fact CE approved.  

Unless someone is wearing full race gear, from head to toe, they are making compromises with their gear.  That doesn't make less-than-race gear useless crap however.  

jeff

Quote from: Jeff Pno guarantee that'll happen.

And no guarantee that it won't.  Only if you have no vector upwards (relative to body) in a slide or tumble will the pants not ride up, and it's almost impossible to have a slide or tumble without any vector upwards (relative to body).  It's not something I'm going to bank on.

I'd want a circumference zipper to alleviate the lowrider factor (most riding pants cinch around the waist, to make a stable point of attachment at a narrow spot on the body), and the pants don't have one.

OK, for Trixie, $350 for the jacket, $250 for the pants.  $600.  For the Teknic one-piece, $500 for the suit, $30 for the CE armor upgrade.  So much for the "buyers of this stuff don't have the money for real gear" argument... better protection for cheaper.

Quote from: Jeff PUnless someone is wearing full race gear, from head to toe

There is no advantage, in price or convenience, for getting stuff like this over full race gear from head to toe.   :dunno:

I compromise on waterproofness.  Leather loses its protective qualities if it gets drenched with filthy water regularly, so it's a rational compromise to get waterproof gear that has abrasion ratings I can live with (no pun intended).  That makes sense.  Fetish gear doesn't.

Quote from: Jeff PUnless someone is wearing full race gear, from head to toe, they are making compromises with their gear.

I'm all for wearing proper gear, but is it really true that race gear offers "ideal" protection for street riders?  Race gear is designed for a specific purpose:  to protect against racing related injuries.  I would expect that the profile of those situations is different than what would occur tooling around on the street.  I'm not sure you ever have to worry about getting t-boned by an SUV on the track (in fairness, I also don't think there's any gear that would help you better in that case), and you probably shouldn't need knee sliders on the street.  I'm thinking that on the street impact protection is more important, whereas on the track protection against sliding abrasion is most important.

Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe there isn't any gear that has really focused on "street protection" vs. "race protection". *shrug* But there probably should be.  What I'm hearing is that there is "race gear" and then there's "crap".
 
Of course, for those people that always ride like they are always on a racetrack, it probably doesn't matter (but they are almost certainly wearing shorts, t-shirt, and tennis shoes anyway).

unless your a 5' elf your not going to be able to zip the two together and lean foward. because of the ultra short cut of the jacket and the low rise of the pants, that sure is nice that they added a zipper, gee I just wish it was functional.

because the torso is heavier than the legs it is going to create more friction with the ground and drag more causing a feet first slide.

and that is a negitive on the armor being approved, read linky
http://gstwins.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7625

the governing body that controls the CE rating has no athority over on this side of the pond.  I can write CE on a f%$king T-shirt and market it as armored and they can't do shaZam! about it.  (which is basicly what JR has been doing for the last 5 years. they take thier dual foam and glue a layer of plastic on the outside and call it CE rated.)  for it to actually be rated they are required to state the standard that it is rated to and to have available the rating results from the tests.

Yes. Ask any racer who's ridden on the street, or any rider who's raced, and they'll tell you that the best protection you can get is one-piece leathers and a back protector. And, boots (and helmet, duh, and gloves).

But, just because that's the best protection, doesn't mean that's what they wear all the time.

Badger,  abrasion restiance is the most important thing no mater whare you ride. once your suit wears through it dosn't matter if it's armored or not.  which is why they put knee/elbow sliders on them.  if you use the crocadile analogy, it makes alot more sence to have a tough skin with the bones on the inside and a few teeth to chomp down with than try to hide like a turtle.

Quote from: davipuunless your a 5' elf your not going to be able to zip the two together and lean foward. because of the ultra short cut of the jacket and the low rise of the pants, that sure is nice that they added a zipper, gee I just wish it was functional.

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Um, no.  I'm 5'5", and they zipped together fine.

This may not be the most technically superior suit out there, but I wish I saw even half of the girls I see riding around on the back of bikes in t-shirts wearing it.  If you're going to wear nothing or this suit, I'd vote for this suit.  It's not like it's a leather thong or something.

your still a elf.  :P

Quote from: jen_If you're going to wear nothing or this suit

Certainly, if the other option is naked.  But for the same price or less, you can get much better protection.

Quote from: davipuBadger,  abrasion restiance is the most important thing no mater whare you ride.

Okay...didn't come out quite right...I'm not really arguing that.  The point I'm trying to make is that I would expect the safety profile for racing vs. street riding to be different, and maybe that's not true.  More accurately, it may be that the same gear satisfies the different demands of the most statistically significant incidents for all types of riding.

This is certainly not the case for autos (otherwise race cars would have airbags or regular cars would remove side windows), and not for airplanes (aerobatic pilots and test pilots wear parachutes, but they are counterproductive in almost all other cases).

So, what is the compromise between a 1 piece race suit and something else (assuming high quality)?  Is it that you get protection at 90mph worth of abrasion resistance in the suit, but only 40mph in something else? (or 5mph in the low-riding-flared-bottom-joe-rocket-single-stitch-tonka-plastic-POS-fashion-captive outfit [just trying to sum up RG's thoughts on the subject])  

Quote from: davipuif you use the crocadile analogy...

Ack...you've brought out the dreaded crocodile analogy!  Is that like the Chewbacca Defense?  :)  New topic:  how would a crocodile fare in a lowside?  Discuss.

with it's tough skin and cartlage protuberences along it's spine, I'd give it 40 mph or about 75 feet of sliding before it wore down far enough to cause siginficant bleading.   which is the the most common cause of death is riding accidents. they can put you back together from a blob, but if you leak all of your go juice out onto the road you only have about 6 minutes till you have siginifacant brain dammage from lack of O2.   which is why abrasion restiance is the most important factor in good suits.

Quote from: BadgerAck...you've brought out the dreaded crocodile analogy!  Is that like the Chewbacca Defense?  :)  New topic:  how would a crocodile fare in a lowside?  Discuss.

As long as he closes his eyes, I think he should be okay.

Also, realize what's available out there. Leather is still the most ideal, and most common, protective material out there for well over 100 years.

track =  higher speeds, less obsticals
street = lower speeds , more obsticals.  

statsticly you are getting around the same amount of energy transfers from the two different scenes although on the track your not going to slide sideways into a stop sign, and there is a siginifacant reduction of boulders on the sides of the track to reduce your sliding distance.  

one key point though, track riders have gear requirements that are required. street riders do not, this I am sure has a effect in the seriousness of injurys/ deaths of street riders.

Quote from: davipuone key point though, track riders have gear requirements that are required. street riders do not, this I am sure has a effect in the seriousness of injurys/ deaths of street riders.

Ja.  I see people go down at the track and walk away, where they would be limping and bleeding without the required gear.

Quote from: Roadstergal

Quote from: davipuone key point though, track riders have gear requirements that are required. street riders do not, this I am sure has a effect in the seriousness of injurys/ deaths of street riders.

Ja.  I see people go down at the track and walk away, where they would be limping and bleeding without the required gear.

No doubt.  Certainly track gear is good for the track.  But I expect that "going down at the track" didn't involve gettng hit by a 2 1/2 ton SUV.  Perhaps it's my ignorance, but I would think that the most common track incident (probably by a high margin) is a lowside caused by going into a turn too hot.  This is a specific situation that race gear is designed and ideally suited to handle.  What percentage of street crashes are the same situation?  Seeing as how the MSF class focuses so heavily on identifying and avoiding the "left turning car", I suspect that represents a significant % of serious accidents.  I also suspect that smacking into a volvo is a whole different experience than sliding across the asphault, and (perhaps incorrectly) that it would warrant different protection.

It could be that there is no good protection for those situations, and that's fair.

and 20 minutes to re-tech the bike and they are back out riding.

If you get hit by a car, you typically need both impact and abrasion.  Impact from the car, impact from the ground, abrasion.  In my hit, I still slid a lot farther than I fell.

If you've watched bike racers, they hit tirewalls, they highside and hit the asphalt, they hit other bikes or other bikes hit them.  That's not what you commonly see at yer basic track day, but that's exactly the kind of thing race gear is designed to protect against.  Multiple impacts and abrasion.

I think I'm gonna make a suit out of broken glass and syringes...  Actually make something MORE dangerous...

Welcome to another installment of....

The Phaedrus Fact Corner:

Badger and Jeff, pay special attention to Point 1.

Point 1 - There is no disagreement with Roadstergal. On anything. Ever. There is the wrong way and the Roadstergal way. Everything she does should set the standard for everyone else to follow. She knows what is best for her AND everyone else, just ask her. She is beyond refutation, and some of us lunk heads need to join her loyal "ditto" group and not oppose her views. "Resistance is futile". It does not matter if you are right or not, you can not argue with "brick walls". Nor can you change their mind. After sincere, honest efforts to do so, you will only find yourself doing this:  :dunno: And frankly, it isn't worth the effort. No offense to Roadstergal, but a bit more tolerance and a more open mind sure wouldn't hurt sometimes.

Point 2 - If Joe Rocket gear were truly unsafe, it would be recalled. No one would buy their products and they would go out of business. Is it the best protection out there? No, no one ever said it was. It does not really seem to aim to be. It aims to be entry level, protective gear for entry-level street riding motorcylists. I think it does that job well.

Funny thing is, no one is even disputing that RG's choice in gear for women is the best and most protective. She is probably right. Where she is wrong is saying that anything else is crap.

Point 3 - It does not matter if you are wearing a high quality leather suit or a leather thong and flip flops. If you are crushed into an SUV - like what happened here:

http://gstwins.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21276

...I don't think a $1400 suit would have saved you any better. Maybe against the burns, but not being crushed and flattened. Against road rash, yes, there is no doubt. But imagine blowing up, being decapitated, crushed flat, driven over top of, being snapped in half.  Sure puts thing into perspective.

Wait a minute, I need to read Point 1 again.... :roll:

Broken glass and syringes!!!!!

Quote from: PhaedrusPoint 2 - If Joe Rocket gear were truly unsafe, it would be recalled.

So nobody sells half-helmets, chaps, or choppers anymore?  Or Harleys, for that matter?  These are all a LOT less safe than the alternatives.
There is no regulatory committee that tests all gear in the US and pulls the stuff that isn't as good as comparably-priced stuff.  All gear comes with a disclaimer blurb somewhere to fend off lawsuits.  Now see below.

Quote from: Phaedrusanything else is crap.

No, I said that this specific Joe Rocket line is specifically crap compared to the gear you could buy for the same price or less.

Quote from: RVertigoI think I'm gonna make a suit out of broken glass and syringes...  Actually make something MORE dangerous...

Around my parent's house there is an annual medieval faire (lots of jousting, walking around eating mammoth turkey legs, people saying "hail, sire", that kind of thing).  I used to go all the time.  I ran into this one guy wearing chain mail, but it was scraped and bent in a bunch of places.  Turns out that he's an actor (ahem..."Recreationist") in the fair, and rides in on his m/c every day (in full garb).  Some time before he had hit a gravel patch, dropped the bike, slid over the gravel and asphault for a while, got up, cursed, picked up the bike, and was underway.  When he told the story he specifically stressed that as he was sliding he was a little worried that he was going to catch fire from all the sparks coming up from his "gear".

My guess is he'd argue that steel is far superior to leather. (not very practical, though) *shrug*

Quote from: RoadstergalSo nobody sells half-helmets, chaps, or choppers anymore?  Or Harleys, for that matter?  These are all a LOT less safe than the alternatives.

Yeah, but aren't many of the half-helmets DOT approved? That doesn't mean they are "safe", but it does mean that it isn't "unsafe". Right? If it were "unsafe", would it still be DOT approved?  :dunno: The protection they give your head against the COVERED areas meet MINUMUM safety requirements. For some people, minumum is just not good enough.

I don't know much about Harley's, but I am sure they have been subject to factory and consumer safety tests. Choppers are not illegal, atleast not around here, but they are subject to certain safety requirements (seat and handle bar height, must have headlight, etc). Are they "safe"? No, but they are not relatively "unsafe" either according to the law.

There is a grey area between safe and unsafe; motorcycle riding is said to be inherently unsafe. Should we give it up completely? No! We should make REASONABLE efforts to find that gray area between safe and unsafe by wearing gear, riding smart, and using good judgement.

Quote from: RoadstergalThere is no regulatory committee that tests all gear in the US and pulls the stuff that isn't as good as comparably-priced stuff.  

Isn't that your job?  :kiss:

Quote from: RoadstergalAll gear comes with a disclaimer blurb somewhere to fend off lawsuits...

All gear? Is that right, ALL GEAR? Even the $1400 full piece leather suits? Hmm. So what you are saying is that ALL gear could POTENTIALLY be unsafe?  :o Why spend $1400 and still be potentially unsafe when you could spend $300 and be potentially unsafe? A shade of gray on the potentially unsafe scale is expensive!  :o

Quote from: Phaedrusyou can not argue with "brick walls".

On the flipside, brick walls don't tend to provide logical counterpoint...well there was that one, but...never mind.

I think it's different if you're actually trying to convince someone of something.  I'm not, I'm just looking for insight from people that know a lot more than I do about the subject.

because that extra 1100 will allow you to walk away from many more senieros.

like T-boning a volvo at 65 you are pretty much going to go flying over it impact the ground and slide about 200 feet give or take depending on the road surface.  your helmet will keep your brain from falling out while the cage driver is screaming at the 911 operator about a bike she disn't see and is too distracted about her fked up car to find the street address so by the time they trace the call and the cops arrive you have lost coushisness and are going to die from loss of blood.

Quote from: BadgerMy guess is he'd argue that steel is far superior to leather. (not very practical, though) *shrug*

That would be cool to see...

My new gear  :thumb:

(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b68/phaedrusGS/knight.jpg)

YEAH DUDE!!!

Put a little horse head on the front of your bike...

That would rule.

and a lance.  and a short sword so you can hack the mirrors off the cages when they get too close.

Quote from: davipuand a lance.

Yes.  A lance.  The lance is crucial.

You've got to watch the sword, though...don't want that getting caught up in the rims.

That would work better than honking...  You wouldn't get that annoying "What?  I didn't do anything" look from people after you hacked off their mirror and yelled, "I claim this in the name of GStwins!!"

Quote from: RVertigoThat would work better than honking...  You wouldn't get that annoying "What?  I didn't do anything" look from people after you hacked off their mirror and yelled, "I claim this in the name of GStwins!!"

Hell yeah!

For some reason, the wander-into-my-lane is particularly a problem with the Burger. The weenie horn does not inspire them to stay out.  I bet a big-ass broadsword would.

Quote from: Roadstergalis particularly a problem with the Burger.

It's 'cause everyone is looking so hard in their side mirror trying to figure out if an alien craft is trying to board them.


:lol:


Since I've changed away from the HOLY CRAP GREEN jacket, people try to kill me more.    :(

Quote from: RVertigoSince I've changed away from the HOLY CRAP GREEN jacket, people try to kill me more.    :(

I still have the holy crap yellow helmet and holy crap yellow visor, though... maybe it's the fade-into-aspalt-silver Burger.

I need vinyl.

OR a flame thrower...

Maybe a lazer beam would go with the alien theme a little better.

Burgerstar Galactica!

Fire the Lazer!!  Peeeooo Peeeooo

OK... Geek time...

Too bad you can't install an FTL. :mrgreen:

I vote white reflective tape all over.

http://ridesafer.com/store/category/5wlw/Reflective_Tapes.html

We have gotten away from the title of this post, so let me end this discussion:

Yes, chicks are chopped liver.

Quote from: scratchI vote white reflective tape all over.

Hopefully, you mean OVER the gear....cuz it would be awfully difficult to peel the tape off of skin...especially in SOME spots...ow ow ow  :dunno:











:P

Quote from: RVertigoFire the Lazer!!  Peeeooo Peeeooo

Thanks, now I know how to spell laser sounds. :lol:

Quote from: pandy

Quote from: scratchI vote white reflective tape all over.

Hopefully, you mean OVER the gear....cuz it would be awfully difficult to peel the tape off of skin...especially in SOME spots...ow ow ow  :dunno:

No, the bike, silly, all over the scooter.

(http://www.aish.com/graphics/articles/BubbieIrmasLiver230x150.gif)

Quote from: scratchThanks, now I know how to spell laser sounds.

Hey... NP...

And...  It's been LaZer since 1999...  Where have you been?  I bet you still play Foos ball (with no Z).


But, on the reflective tape note...  They make black tape that reflects white.   :thumb:   Reflection won't help during the day unless you're really good at aiming.

Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation.

I think you mean:

Light Amplification by Ztimulated Emission of Radiation.

Should we seal this one up? 179 responses : )

180...

Damn that's impressive.

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I got here late... could somebody recap for me?  (http://www.advrider.com/forums/images/smilies/peepwall.gif)

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Just wanted to feel like part of the group... I feel better now.

I dont want to affend anyone but this is my opinion:
    I too dont own riding pants because I cant find any, my problem isn't the flair, it's that they are ass tight. that makes me uncomfortable both while riding with a wedgy and also while walking into a store and having people staring! What were they thinking? They were thinking that trophy girls look good on the bike of bikes...I say, most guys with trophy girls dont wear gear anyway, if the guy doesnt why would the "too sexy" girl? let the Buddha Loves You fall off the back half naked! They arnt the target market for gear anyway, stop making it for them, they don't wear it!

Quote from: Maiden of OdinWhat were they thinking?

That they don't want loose fabric caught up in the chain or other mothing parts, ripping both the pants and your skin off.  :dunno:

Last time I checked, flairs were loose clothing...I just meant that they need to find a comfortable medium, no wedgy but still cloth and skin intact! ;)

Quote from: Maiden of OdinI dont want to affend anyone but this is my opinion:
    I too dont own riding pants because I cant find any, my problem isn't the flair, it's that they are ass tight.

Leathers  are supposed to be snug. And apparently they are supposed to have huge.. um... backsides so that you can crouch and still have the pants on.

Most real riding gear has a little bagginess in the rear so that they don't ride down when you crouch.

they are supposed to have huge.. um... backsides so that you can crouch and still have the pants on.[/quote]

That's what I'm saying though, most womens pants that are made by brands like Joe Rocket arn't baggy in the backside they are tight. or maybe i just have a "huge" backside and can manage to fill up all that space, all 100 lbs of me...what can I say I got a ghetto butt... :roll:  ;)

There is really only one way to settle this Maiden of Odin. . .

PICS!!!!  :lol:

No.  Seriously.

Quote from: Maiden of Odinghetto butt

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Quote from: Maiden of Odinghetto butt

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I don't have speakers on my computer at work. . . but. . .

That was kind of hot.*


*RVertigo and Jake D are on a posting rampage until 5:00 PM, Central Standard Time.

...What in the hell...

That was both comical and disturbing all at the same time.

:lol: I'm always on a posting rampage...  Check the # of posts and date joined...   :o  I'm the only "top 60" post whores that joined in '05...  And I'm #11.   :o

I bet that explains why the server started acting up a little while ago. :oops:

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This one is my fav

http://www.illwillpress.com/toast.html

Quote from: Maiden of OdinI too dont own riding pants because I cant find any, my problem isn't the flair, it's that they are ass tight. that makes me uncomfortable both while riding with a wedgy and also while walking into a store and having people staring!

My problem is actually trying them on in the store.  Maybe I'm overly self conscious, but being a little soft 'round the middle I fully expect that I'm not going to fit really well in a pair of fitted riding pants.  I'm 5'9", just under 190#, and have a desk jockey build.  *sigh*

:lol::lol: That's HILARIOUS. I like that one a lot.

I'm suck a hottie in leathers, just ask tony.