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Winter is approaching and I am wearing icon tarmac2 gloves, and they sure dont keep my hands warm. My question is what does everyone use in the winter.

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$10 silk glove liners and TourMaster Coldfront Carbon winter gloves. And, soon I'll be purchasing a pair of TourMaster Winter Elites to replace my 14 year old TourMaster winter gloves. You need two pair, so one pair can dry out when you ride in the rain.

How long do they keep you warm in the cold?  I have a pair of Alpinestar Gore-tex that I wear with glove liners.  Seems like I'm good for about 30 minutes at about 40 deg F before I have to stop and warm my hands.

I'd prefer something a bit warmer.  My local  dealer didn't have much to offer, so I may try the ones you recommend.

Ski gloves?

Won't offer much protection in a crash, but they'll be warm...  Maybe wear some moto gloves under some ski gloves.   :dunno:

Or get some hand guards...  I can't ttyyepe

the same A-star sp1's with polypro glove liners (better than silk) as PP insulates when wet.

Quote from: daviputhe same A-star sp1's with polypro glove liners (better than silk) as PP insulates when wet.

Those are the ones I was looking at, but A* doesn't make a size that fits me.

The Cortechs are frikin' insulated.  I haven't had a chance to try them in bitter cold, but I can't imagine making a glove more thermal than that and still being able to work the controls.

Hand guards make an enormous difference.  The heat loss from a freeway-speed wind on unprotected hands, even gloved, is massive.  I made it through last year with standard bike gloves, heated grips, and hand guards.  I didn't enjoy it.  I'm trying the Cortechs and no heated grips this year.

Heated grips aren't as useful as you might think.  They only warm what's in actual physical contact.

I find the 2 finger gloves work very well. Also make sure the rest of you is warm as this will get warm blood to your fingers. A cotten neck tube is very good and wear layers of clothing e.g 2 jumpers to trap layers of air for insulation. If your hands still get cold then try heated grips.

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Cool, just ordered these from Newenough the other day.  Summer gloves wasn't cutting it, now just need to find something to keep the air off my neck.  Chin curtain on the Shoei keeps the air out so that is nice.  Dropping down in the 60's at night on the way home from work and starts to get chilly after about 6 miles.

I'm one of those ATGATT guys so I'm always in layers, haven't gotten too cold yet.  It's definitely cooling off though - let me know if you find a decent solution for keeping the breeze off your neck other than wearing turtlenecks.

This sort of weather is pretty sucky for the times I have to ride - it's cool riding to classes in the morning, then hot when I leave in the afternoon, decent when I head to work (which is mitigated by it being on a shittily paved highway infested with semis) and then cool again on the ride home.

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just bungie the extra layer to the pass seat.

Quote from: Jazzzzzlet me know if you find a decent solution for keeping the breeze off your neck other than wearing turtlenecks.

Dumb question:  what's wrong with turtlenecks?

Quote from: BadgerDumb question:  what's wrong with turtlenecks?

They're stupid looking and I'll make fun of you for wearing them.

Nothing wrong with a dickie though. Wink.

If you're into that.

Ok I have done some looking and I like the tourmaster glove, and will probably order them in the next day or two, but I still on the glove subject has anyone used the icon hooligan gloves and are they worth a darn, for warm or cold weather?

As for the neck issue I bought a neck warmer from a department store that can be used as neck warmer, hood or cover the nose and mouth, it works well and I spent 16 bucks on it. I rode this morning at 43 degrees  with my phoenix jacket and my old leather coat, a pair of coveralls, and some leather work gloves and other then the wind that was blowing up through the front of my helmet I stayed fairly warm. I felt a little cramped in all that stuff butI did not have to drive my 3/4 pick up the 30 miles to work.

are there hand guards for the gs500f? (2005)

These look pretty decent -

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My agv sport (carbon 7 is the newer version of sport I think) was plenty warm for NC and Nor CA winters ... I have a tourmaster with good carbon knuckles etc whcih I am sure will not be as good, cos its perforated ... but my problem is usually keeping cool, not keeping warm ...
Cool.
Srinath.

The only other glove that I know of to be warmer than the TourMasters is a glove made by Olympia, but can't remember the exact model. There are heated gloves. And, silk glove liners!

Handguards (modded): http://gstwins.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20966&highlight=acerbis+handguards

The Tourmaster ColdFronts are warm enough that I quit wearing my ski gloves to the bus stop (standing still for 10, 15 minutes, -15F temps... it feels worse than riding the GS at 20F). In fact, I lost the ski gloves and didn't bother to buy another pair.

I have the icon timax gauntlets. They are really nice for cold weather. I have only ridden them down to about 30-40. Not sure about anything under that. My hands were still pretty toasty at 30 though.

So for you all that got the Tour Master Cold Front Carbon Gloves, you are all happy? I read RG's and one other recommendation and I think I'll get them. $55 from NewEnough seems about fair. I paid that much for my thin Joe Rocket gloves the day I bought my bike. And the cold mornings here are getting me to the point that I almost drive to work (I know, I'm THAT big of a baby :roll: ).

And I wore a large in the others, so should I get a large in these?

Thanks amigos,

Dave :cheers:

sure.

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Thank you, that was what I needed.   ;)

check these out...looks WARM...
http://www.newenough.com/tour_master_winter_elite_gloves_page.htm

Quote from: Frostcheck these out...looks WARM...
http://www.newenough.com/tour_master_winter_elite_gloves_page.htm

Yes they do. But let me remind you I live in Oregon. Yes, it gets chilly. But never that chilly. As for you in Ontario, they'd be nice.

If it's that cold here, it's icy and I can't ride anypoop.

Dave  :cheers:

Since you are in the PacNW, you will loooove the thumb wiper blade.

Quote from: RoadstergalSince you are in the PacNW, you will loooove the thumb wiper blade.

While I don't plan on doing a lot of riding in the rain (insert comment calling me a sissy here), it does get misty in the mornings, and that coupled with the cold outside/warm inside of the helmet, I can get some good moisture on the shield. So yeah, the wiper would be cool.

However, I went to Cycle Gear's site and went to the clearance page and searched "glove"
http://www.cyclegear.com/dept.cfm?spec=Y

There are some here that look like good deals. I may look more into these. I'll stop by on the way home and try to see if any from the site are in-stock so I can try them out.  Nothing wrong with saving money, says I.

Dave  :cheers:

Quote from: RoadstergalSince you are in the PacNW, you will loooove the thumb wiper blade.

I was just going to ask how well that worked. :)  This is probably the feature that will cause me to pick up a pair.

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Quote from: Frostcheck these out...looks WARM...
http://www.newenough.com/tour_master_winter_elite_gloves_page.htm

Yes they do. But let me remind you I live in Oregon. Yes, it gets chilly. But never that chilly. As for you in Ontario, they'd be nice.

If it's that cold here, it's icy and I can't ride anypoop.

I just recently looked at the Winter Elites and I wasn't convinced that they would be warmer than the ColdFronts...I know I shouldn't go by thickness, but they didn't seem as thick as the ColdFronts. So, for you, they may do fine, and considering the amount of precipitation in your area you may want the raincover.

how about moving to so-cal?  problem solved!

sorry, had to be an a55.

I think two of my buddies are from Hermosa. Trust me, I'd like to be there. Or wherever their picture albums were from. Hot girls everywhere.

Dave  :cheers:

And they have teeth.

Did you read my previous post?

So we have a little meth problem here in Oregon. That doesn't mean ALL our women have Meth Mouth. And now that I think about that...nope, it's still bad to be missing your teeth. I had an idea, but it doesn't outweigh the look of a meth abuser's face.

Dave  :cheers:

Quote from: scratchAnd they have teeth.

Did you read my previous post?

Yeah, was it aimed at me? I wasn't sure.

I quoted you.

You quoted me quoting Frost. I was lost.

So you recommend the Cold Fronts? Good, because that's what I wanted anyways.

Dave  :cheers:

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Quote from: RoadstergalSince you are in the PacNW, you will loooove the thumb wiper blade.

I was just going to ask how well that worked. :)  This is probably the feature that will cause me to pick up a pair.

Personally, I'm used to chamios material on the back of the first two fingers (on previous TourMaster winter gloves), as you don't have to put your whole hand in front of your face, obstructing your view, to wipe. Just a couple of fingers in a more natural motion. Relax your hand in front of you with your thumbnail facing you, now picture yourself wiping your faceshield with your hand in that position.

But, I will say that the thumb wiper is much more effective than chamios, I just wish it was on one of the fingers.

Quote from: 2005-GS500-PDXYou quoted me quoting Frost. I was lost.

So you recommend the Cold Fronts? Good, because that's what I wanted anyways.

Dave

I was suggesting the Winter Elites, but now that you mention it, the ColdFronts are less expensive (-$10).

I bought the Cold Fronts thinking that I'd eventually get some Olympias.  However, my hands have been comfy on my winter commute (25 minutes, 20F, city streets to 45mph).  I don't ride the freeway below about 40F, so that's good enough for me.

The one problem I have is that my left thumb gets cold.  My thumbs seem to be longer than TourMaster intended them to be.

So I bought the Cold Fronts today. I wore them home, even though the weather didn't call for them. They are huge. Or my old gloves are tiny, either way. I got a large, and they fit well, they're just a little...what's the word...new? They're not super flexible and I feel like I may need thicker grips. Or the gloves will break in and make my hands be able to close more.

As for the coldness factor, they were the warmest part of my body aside from my feet. So they are clearly warmer than the others.

So I just need to break them in...I hope...

Dave  :cheers:

I have to vouch for the Winter Elites.  Multi-layered and minimally bulky.  Used them all of last winter and was surprised.  money well spent.  :thumb:

So it was a foggy, cold commute this morning, and my hands did fine. I just need a way to get my shield to not fog and I need a neck warmer and then this cold-weather riding won't be so bad. I am still getting used to the bulkiness of the gloves, but they already feel better.

Dave  :cheers:

FogCity ProShield
http://www.modernworld.com/

The FogCity is awesome.  Cured my RF-1000.

But my Scorpions (the clear shield) never needed any additional anti-fogging.  (The mirrored shield does fog, although not as badly as the RF-1000 pre-FogCity.)

I just put on one of each glove (old JR and new TM), and they are worlds apart. I gotta say that I feel better about my chances with the Tour Masters.

I included my hand as a size reference. The left is the TMN, the right is the old Joe Rocket...

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I was going to order the Tour Master Carbon Cold Fronts, but I have a question about size? I have XL First Gear Mesh Sport gloves like this:
http://www.motorhelmets.com/htm1/apparel-street-gloves-firstgear-table.htm

They fit okay, but could be a little shorter in the fingers as I have huge palms and short fingers.

I was wondering if anyone could recommend a size for me in the Tour Master Carbon Cold Fronts. I'm also planning on buying the liners so I'd like to error on the big side. Thanks for any help.

I've been wearing my Cold Fronts for a week or two now.... My hands don't get cold anymore!! YAY!!!!  :cheers:  :thumb:

Quote from: pandyI've been wearing my Cold Fronts for a week or two now.... My hands don't get cold anymore!! YAY!!!!  :cheers:  :thumb:

Um...isn't it like 70 degrees out there?  :?

We had lows in the 20's this morning...I believe right now it's struggling to hit 45.  There's talk of rain this evening...mixed with sleet.  :(

aevans, go to a place that sells Tourmaster or Cortech gloves, any of 'em, and use that as a size reference.  I sized my Cold Fronts on the Cortech Scarabs at Aurora Suzuki.

Mine are on order...  Should be in today.  I can't friggen wait, the wind is killing my poor hands.   :(

I'll probably end up needing hand guards too...  Any trip that I need cold weather gloves is freeway anyway.  I'm guessing that 70 MPH wind-chill is gonna kill any glove. :dunno:

Quote from: BadgerUm...isn't it like 70 degrees out there?  :? :(

I'm in the SF bay area, not San Diego. :P

It's in the 40's and 50's at dark:30 in the AM when I commute to work. It's been in the mid 60's when I commute home at dark:30 in the PM. bRRRr :P

It cracked me up when I was out (with my normal gloves on) last night, and I got three queries as to whether I was just too cold out on my bike in this weather??  This weather = 49deg. F.  Heh.

:? That's ski weather! ;)

thanks RG, but nobody near me carries them. I will have to hit up the Dealership this weekend though. Don't know if I'll make it up to Seattle to go to Aurora Suzuki, but hopefully I can find them at one of the dealerships near me. I've just checked the Cycle Gear in Auburn and Tacoma as well as the Eagle Leather in T-Town.

As for skiing weather, it's looking like a wonderful skiing/boarding year!!! Yeah Snow!!!

Quote from: aevans17nobody near me carries them. I will have to hit up the Dealership this weekend though. Don't know if I'll make it up to Seattle to go to Aurora Suzuki, but hopefully I can find them at one of the dealerships near me.

Noone around here carries them either...  BlueBellyLint and I were both looking for them...  We went to Aurora Suzuki to try on gloves and they said they'd order the Coldfronts...  They didn't...  I called about the gloves several times asking if they'd order some...  BlueBellyLint went in to ask about ordering some...  They still have none...  

I have one thing to say about the people working at AurZuki right now:   :guns:  :nana:  :guns:

I just broke down and ordered some from Seattle Ducati, sight-unseen, with the knowledge that I can return them for a full refund if I don't like them. :dunno:

If I actually buy them and if you happen to be in Seattle, we can hook up so you can check 'em out...  Other than that, I'd just order them from somewhere that'll give you a full refund if you don't like 'em. :thumb:

What about going to TourMaster's website and looking at their sizing charts? Or, doesn't Newenough.com have a conversion fitment chart?

I'm trying to sell some cold weather Teknic gloves over on the FS forum They've got thumb sqeegies and everything!

http://www.gstwins.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22323

Quote from: scratchWhat about going to TourMaster's website and looking at their sizing charts? Or, doesn't Newenough.com have a conversion fitment chart?

It's just not the same as trying them on...  I'm wacky like that.  I can't buy shoes without trying them on, even if it's a brand I know and have worn for years.

I've found that the variability in shoes and clothes changes the items enough to make them not fit right.   :dunno:

Thanks RVertigo. I'll just go order them from a store that will order me another pair if they don't fit. What size did you order, and what size/brand  gloves do you normally wear?

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Quote from: scratchWhat about going to TourMaster's website and looking at their sizing charts? Or, doesn't Newenough.com have a conversion fitment chart?

It's just not the same as trying them on...I'm wacky like that.

Tru dat, I hear ya. And, there's no local places to try stuff on...man, I must be spoiled where I live.

Just got off the phone with the folks at Tacoma Motorsports and they said that they don't carry them, but can order me a pair, and would order a couple of pairs ML,LG,XLG so that I can try them on. So I think I'm going to do that, although I'd rather order them from the newenough since I don't know how much Tacoma Motorsports is going to charge me.

Quote from: aevans17Thanks RVertigo. I'll just go order them from a store that will order me another pair if they don't fit. What size did you order, and what size/brand  gloves do you normally wear?

I ordered LG...  They're pretty damn tight when you first get them on, but they pack out pretty fast...  And I imagine they'll pack out more as they age.  I didn't wear them home 'cause they're pretty stiff new.  I sat in front of the TV breaking them in last night and wore them this morning to see how hard it is to ride in them.  No problem...  Just less feeling, kinda like wearing an extra thick condom.   :lol:

My normal gloves are MotoGP short gloves in a Medium.  But, I had to stretch them a little.  I usually order LGs, but the MotoGP LGs were too big.

Tacoma Motorsports should charge you exactly what they cost.  $59 + tax.  If they try to charge you something else, then they're scammers.

Okay thanks alot!!! I'll keep that in mind, and by the way I called i-90 motorsports and they don't carry them either. You'd think with all the rain round here that more people would carry good gold gear gloves, but most places usually have 1 pair and they are just like ski gloves with some soft padding on the knuckles.

I called every moto place within 20 miles of here...  And a few outside of that...  No one carries them.   :dunno:

Hey everyone. Not to beat a dead horse, but this thread was discussing the TourMaster Coldfront Carbons earlier. I just got an email from Newenough.com saying they are marked down from $59 to $54. Only $5 off, but still...

Dave :cheers:

If shipping is cheap...

Mine were $59 + tax...  So, basically the same as ordering them...  Except that I got to try them on first.  :dunno:

True, same here. But if you are unable to find them locally or if you are ordering something from the site anyways, it's definitely worth thinking about.

Dave  :cheers:

Just picked my Cold Front Carbons from Tacoma Motorsports. They charged $59 so they didn't try to rip me off. THey are pretty good gloves in that they are warm and aren't too thick (AKA they don't feel like ski gloves.) I definitely need to get used to them, and break them in, but they do keep the hands warm. Thanks for all the help everyone on picking out a great winter glove.
Also Tacoma Motorsports has a size XL still since I had them order a Large and XL, and bought the L if anyone in the Seattle/Tacoma area is looking for a pair.

The last time I stopped by Aurora Suzuki, Joe said that they ordered in a batch of CFCs - and they sold out in a couple of days.  He said they were planning on another order (ja, I'd hope so!).

I had a pair of the CFC's for exactly two nights and returned them.  They were hella thick, especially with a liner.  Felt like trying to work the controls with a set of boxing gloves on, AND they didn't do a particularly good job of keeping my hands warm in sub-40's weather.

I wound up sucking it up and dropping the money on a pair of Held Hawks, and they are much better than the CFC's -- thinner, keep hands warm into the teens (fingertips start getting cold then), and their waterproofing works a bit better as well.  They also cost twice as much :(  IMO, it was an upside that they don't have the CF knuckle armor -- they use dual density foam covered w/ Schoeller keprotec kevlar stuff.  They got a lot of good reviews on ADVRider and Sport-Touring.net, so I decided to check them out and was very glad I did so.

http://www.olympiagloves.com/performance/4650.htm
I have a pair of Olympia Ultima I.  Have them for almost 3 years.
Good cold weather gloves.  Just came back from 1,100 miles this weekend.  Some of it below freezing, some around 38 degrees and a little above 40 degrees.  Eight hours were in the dark.
I always wear some type of liner.  Got one for aroud $5 at a local store.
They are Thermasilk liners, work quite well.
I have handgurads on the DL650 and that makes all the difference.
Even without handgurads on my GS500 I'm able to go quite a bit in below freezing weather.  Thirty eight degrees and up it's toasty warm.
In the twentys it's cold no matter what you get.  Teens you have to take a break every 30 minutes.
Key is the liner and to keep the wind out.  The gloves must be snug to the sleeves of your jacket.  We were going an indicated 90+ mph for almost 3 hours on Saturday night and at that speed even a tiny space makes the warm air dissapate.

The thing I most worry about when riding in very cold conditions is the temperature of the tires and how well they will grip

Quote from: TarzanBoyThe thing I most worry about when riding in very cold conditions is the temperature of the tires and how well they will grip

:?  While it certainly might take a little more time for the tires to come up to temperature, I wouldn't think that the air/road surface temperature would have that much effect (if any) on the operating temp of the tires.  They are going to heat up.  Traction on a frozen/icy roadway is a different issue, but doesn't have anything to do with the temperature of the tires.

Quote from: TarzanBoyThe thing I most worry about when riding in very cold conditions is the temperature of the tires and how well they will grip

If it's 40 or below you have to watch.  The tires might warmup but the
road surface is still cold.  You get damp surfaces that never dry unless
direct sunlight hits them.  Winter riding is another animal.  Slowly but surely is the motto.  Besides the tires, you get cold also.  The reaction time is just not there.  Went riding this weekend.  Did almost 1,100 miles on the V-Strom from 11:30 am Friday to 9:30 pm Saturday.  Temps were from 40+ to about 28 degrees.  Good portion was after dark riding.
40+ is nice and toasty.  38 and below you have to watch yourself as you get cold.  Below freezing is another world.

Quote from: mp183http://www.olympiagloves.com/performance/4650.htm
I have a pair of Olympia Ultima I.  Have them for almost 3 years.
Good cold weather gloves.

I recently picked up a pair of the Olympia 'all weather' gauntlets, after not being able to find anywhere that stocked the Cold Fronts.  They seem warm enough for fairly cold temps (much better than my summer weight, anyway) and definitely keep the wind off, but they are quite bulky.  I've noticed that my right hand starts to go tingly after a while...dunno if the fit isn't quite right or if I'm just not used to the different grip on the throttle.  Sort of feels like too much padding in the palm.  I did get a smaller size than my summer gloves (the large had way too much room), so it could be that the shape just don't work that well for my hands.  :dunno:

Quote from: Badger[I recently picked up a pair of the Olympia 'all weather' gauntlets, after not being able to find anywhere that stocked the Cold Fronts.  They seem warm enough for fairly cold temps (much better than my summer weight, anyway) and definitely keep the wind off, but they are quite bulky.  I've noticed that my right hand starts to go tingly after a while...dunno if the fit isn't quite right or if I'm just not used to the different grip on the throttle.  Sort of feels like too much padding in the palm.  I did get a smaller size than my summer gloves (the large had way too much room), so it could be that the shape just don't work that well for my hands.  :dunno:

My riding partner got the "gauntlet" type also and they are bulky he does
not like them.  They don't seem any warmer than mine with the extra Thinsulate liner glove.  Which are less bulky.  My right thumb seems go get cold first.  That's probably because I have to squeeze the throttle, I guess the circulation suffers.