(http://www.variders.com/gs500/gsr600_01.jpg)
(http://www.variders.com/gs500/gsr600_02.jpg)
(http://www.variders.com/gs500/gsr600_03.jpg)
Yeah, I'm getting pretty tired of looking for a sexy naked bike like that in the states. I might be forced to get a bike with fairing next... but at this point I don't really want to... I've just noticed a slight change in my opinion of them from "Fairing is for pansies!" to "Fairing is for quasi-pansies!". And I blame it all on the lack of decent naked bikes.
I really like that a lot. Anyone up for a boat trip? :lol:
..but I still like the Honda 599 :thumb:
I really like the Honda 599 too, except I want fuel injection... that's probably my only gripe.
Quote from: PhaedrusI really like that a lot. Anyone up for a boat trip? :lol:
I'm in! :thumb: :lol:
Quote from: Thor S Magic BathtubYeah, I'm getting pretty tired of looking for a sexy naked bike like that in the states.
Have you looked at the FZ6?
If you're tight on space, I'll stay here and you guys just bring back one for me. :)
I endorse Pandy's point about the FZ6. Never underestimate the value of a wind screen. :thumb:
I'm not a big fan of Yamaha, and I kinda think the FZ6 is ugly :dunno:
Though I've read a lot of positive reviews for it.
At this point I don't even know if I want a V-Twin or I-4. At first I was all about the twins, but latley the testosterone in my blood has been calling out for a I-4.
Oh, well. I have a year or so to figure it all out.
Quote from: RedShiftNever underestimate the value of a wind screen. :thumb:
Since I don't have one now, all I have to do is never ever ride a bike with a windscreen and I won't know what I'm missing ;)
Actually a windscreen would be nice for the cold winter months... which is like Sep-May here.
gsr 600 has much better styling, stance, demeanor...it just looks tough and mean. aesthetically, the engine area should have the most weight so it looks grounded. fz6 is non the above.
fz6 is just...feminine. i don't know how ele to put it :dunno:
(http://www.yamaha-motor.com/assets/products/mcy/500/fz6_blue_4.jpg)
Yeah, it kinda looks to me like it just saw a spider and is pulling it's skirt up. Also a little... flamboyent... like if it had wrists, it would be flailing them around a lot when it talked. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
If you haven't sat on one, you really can't rule out a bike like this.
It wasn't until I tried one on for size that I realized the GSX-R and similar sportbikes were for shorter riders that didn't mind a jockey-like seating position. Looks great but not right for me.
At 6'4", the FZ6 felt to me like the GS500's bigger sibling. Ergonomics are very similar, feels bigger up front, and has a large (though bulbous) tank. I'm not a fan of under-seat exhaust, but the rest of the bike is fine.
It boils down to personal taste. Caveat as you wish...
Quote from: RedShiftIf you haven't sat on one, you really can't rule out a bike like this. ... At 6'4", the FZ6 felt to me like the GS500's bigger sibling. Ergonomics are very similar, feels bigger up front, and has a large (though bulbous) tank. I'm not a fan of under-seat exhaust, but the rest of the bike is fine. It boils down to personal taste. Caveat as you wish...
Well said and described, RedShift. I actually do like the jockey position of the GSX-R600, so I'm seriously looking at that one as my next bike. This is actually the one I've had my eye on ever since I started my motorcycle journey (I'm going to rent one for a day and try it out).
The FZ6 is a very nice bike, but I'm not as into the upright, standard feel of it.
As for FZ6's seeming feminine to some...well... :dunno: I guess it's a matter of personal taste, as RedShift said... I've only ever seen males riding them. :mrgreen:
Edit: I'm a retard. See next post.
If they broght the naked FZ6 into the states, it might sell better. It looks FAR better than the faired version.
Quote from: pandy... I actually do like the jockey position of the GSX-R600, so I'm seriously looking at that one as my next bike. This is actually the one I've had my eye on ever since I started my motorcycle journey (I'm going to rent one for a day and try it out). ...
Ahh, the pleasures of being petite, or at least much smaller than 6'4", 225 lbs. :thumb:
Oh, and I've also only seen guys riding them -- perhaps showing their feminine sides? :dunno:
Quote from: AlphaFire X5If they broght the naked FZ6 into the states, it might sell better. It looks FAR better than the faired version.
Wonder how the Honda 599 is selling compared to the faired version (CBR600F4i for $900 more). Noticed they skipped a year here in the states.
Perhaps not a good example -- the CBR600F4i is fully clothed whereas the FZ6 is only frontally covered. :dunno:
Quote from: RedShiftQuote from: AlphaFire X5If they broght the naked FZ6 into the states, it might sell better. It looks FAR better than the faired version.
Wonder how the Honda 599 is selling compared to the faired version (CBR600F4i for $900 more). Noticed they skipped a year here in the states.
Perhaps not a good example -- the CBR600F4i is fully clothed whereas the FZ6 is only frontally covered. :dunno:
I just saw in Cycle World that the Honda 599 is coming back to the states in 2006 with inverted forks. Don't know what other upgrades there might be. Also Kawi is coming out with a ZX650R, parallel twin.
Holy crap, you're right. The 599 uses the same engine as the F4i.
All the same, the naked FZ6 looks far less ugly than the faired one.
(http://www.1000ps.at/images/b_901.jpg)
See? That's a hell of a lot prettier than the faired one.
Oh yeah, the Kawi has an under engine silencer a la Buell. Looks like a cool bike.
fz6 uses the r6 engine...so what doesn't mean crap
it may be the same engine but not exactly the same performance
We wern't talking performance. We're talking looks.
I'm looking at Yamaha's Euro line, and I'm so jealous! They get all the badass bikes :(
Why is it called the GSR?
The X in GSX-R is supposed to indicate the valve layout on the heads. The R is for race. So basically, this is a 2-valve per cylinder race bike? :dunno:
Quote from: AlphaFire X5I like it... but it doesn't have the X in it. No 4 valves per cylinder?
PostPosted: Sat October 01, 2005 11:48:18
http://www.gstwins.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=205122#205122Copy-cat. :P
Quote from: AlphaFire X5Holy crap, you're right. The 599 uses the same engine as the F4i.
Since when? The 599 has always had the engine out of the F3, hence the carbs. That's why most magazine articles and riders pegged it as overpriced. It had parts bin suspension along with an aging motor. Add to that the fact that the SV, FZ6, and Speed 4 were all cheaper and you have one hell of a flop on your hands. Honda botched it big time
I'm also pretty sure that I read the new forks are only adjustable for preload :(
If you were in the market buying a middleweight naked bike, would you consider a FZ6 naked model if they had it?
Just to add to the sad 599 saga...
The price for 2006 in Canada is $1,200 more than this year!!!!!! :x All that seems to have been changed are the inverted forks and the gauge cluster is gone electronic - no nice analogue dials. I hope there is more than this to justify the price hike 'cause it just don't make sense. The bike was a tough sell I gather to begin with so do they think that a frikkin' huge price hike is going to start a door crasher sale or something?!?!
What the heck is Honda thinking? :?
Dandy.
who ever buys 599 is buying for the brand name...it's outdated and overpriced by everybody's standards.
Quote from: JetSwingwho ever buys 599 is buying for the brand name...it's outdated and overpriced by everybody's standards.
What about the 919? Don't know much about it.
That GSR IS cool. Did anyone answer the valves per cylinder question?
Anyone have any thoughts on the Kawi 650 twin? Supposed to come in cheaper than the SV650S. A naked version would be cool but they already have the Z750 and Z1000.
The Z750 isn't sold here, but the Z750S is. The naked 750 looks WAY better than the faired version, much like the FZ6. If Honda could drop the price on their 599 people would probably buy a lot more of them. It's an awesome looking bike with decent power, but it's just too damn expensive. I mean, hell, a Ducati Monster is cheaper!
Just found this link ... comparison SV650, FZ6, Hornet 599.
http://motorcyclistonline.com/roadtests/7k/
Quote from: Dandy D...and the gauge cluster is gone electronic - no nice analogue dials.
What is the deal with moving away from a dial speedo with practially all modern bikes? It's been pretty well established that digital readouts are much harder to read than traditional needle-and-dial gauges. Many cars have moved to digital numeric readouts, only to move back to traditional guages, or at least visual indicators rather than numbers. Aircraft gauges have been innovating in this area for a long time (with digial "tape" displays and marker bugs instead of numbers).
Perhaps the feeling is that your speed is generally irrelevant, and not something you need to know on a regular basis. :dunno: Personally, I'd rather be able to determine at a glance whether I'm going "slow", "fast", "way too fast", or "holy crap" just by looking at the angle of a needle. Not to mention that digital guages don't give a good feeling for rate of change...
Quote from: 500riderJust found this link ... comparison SV650, FZ6, Hornet 599.
http://motorcyclistonline.com/roadtests/7k/
Good link! I agree the Honda 599 is overpriced, but if you will notice, it was right on par or above Suzuki's in most of the categories. And if it weren't for the price - like the article said - it would have won the comparo. Not that THAT really means anything, but it goes to show you it is a solid bike :thumb:
EDIT: fixed like 100 typos :o
You can probably get a really nice 599 used for a pretty decent price now. Maybe I'll look in to that.
Quote from: 500rider
That GSR IS cool. Did anyone answer the valves per cylinder question?
There's
already a GSX600 in the Suzuki lineup: The Katuna. :roll:
The same prefix designation crisis arose back in '83 when
S unveiled the
Tempter (4-stroke parallel twin). An I-4 was already designated the
GS650 so the
Tempter became the
GR650.
Quote from: AlphaFire X5You can probably get a really nice 599 used for a pretty decent price now. Maybe I'll look in to that.
there's no such thing as used 599...cause no one buys them new
Quote from: JetSwingthere's no such thing as used 599...cause no one buys them new
There isn't a single one on eBay... wtf... eBay is supposed to have everything.
Quote from: AlphaFire X5You can probably get a really nice 599 used for a pretty decent price now. Maybe I'll look in to that.
can you say ... end of season sale!
I think the end of season sales at the dealer are the way to go. they seem start at the beginning of September around here. That still leaves about 2 months of good riding before the real end of the season.
I've seen deals at the local dealer much better than the Autotrader.
For example, I saw several listings for 2003 & 04 Katana's for $7500 in the Autotrader. The dealer is selling a 2004 for $6000 and a 2005 for $7000. That's CDN $ mind you!
Quote from: AlphaFire X5You can probably get a really nice 599 used for a pretty decent price now. Maybe I'll look in to that.
Wait until the end of next year an pick up an'06 for cheap at the end of season sale! The 06's have the inverted forks.
Quote from: GisserQuote from: 500rider
That GSR IS cool. Did anyone answer the valves per cylinder question?
There's already a GSX600 in the Suzuki lineup: The Katuna. :roll:
The same prefix designation crisis arose back in '83 when S unveiled the Tempter (4-stroke parallel twin). An I-4 was already designated the GS650 so the Tempter became the GR650.
Maybe they could call it a G600 or GSX600S or something so they don't confuse our simple minds. :lol:
BTW the Kan-o-tuna is actually the GSX600F, so GSX600 would be a viable name.
Just found this link for the GSR.
http://www.suzuki-gb.co.uk/model.asp?id=108&l=
There's a used 599 at I-90, and it's $6300.
As said above - you could get so much more for the money than a new 599, so nobody bought it new...
Quote from: 500rider
What about the 919? Don't know much about it.
Before the '06 prices, you could just get the 919 for like 800 or $900 more than the 599. So you essentially get the adjustable suspension and superior engine for a few hundred more. The 919 is a good bike but compared to the liter competition, it's bland too. This is all my opinion of course :dunno:
It's not exactly a middleweight (far from it) but if I were to buy another naked bike I'd be taking a long hard look at the Speed Triple. Can't say I care for the stubby tail and can, but it does look mean as hell.
http://www.triumph.co.uk/usa/788.aspx
Quote from: JazzzzzIt's not exactly a middleweight (far from it) but if I were to buy another naked bike I'd be taking a long hard look at the Speed Triple. Can't say I care for the stubby tail and can, but it does look mean as hell.
http://www.triumph.co.uk/usa/788.aspx
Yeah to me it looks like some kind of bug eyed fugly dog with it's tail between it's legs! It's not all that bad but there are nicer looking bikes out there.
The GSR-600 looks like it's Suzuki's attempt to take down the FZ6. It's got the GSX-R engine in it, as the FZ6 had the R6 motor.
I would not mind having one of those here...