my friend jus got arrested for domestic violence thing is he didnt even touch anyone... :o apparently if ur arguing with a family menber and u start breakin ur own stuff u can be arrested, wutta hell is it just me or does that sound stupid as s&*t??? if im pissed and i wanna break my own shaZam! i should be allowed to do so. :guns: any thoughts???
Thoughts? um, yea. They all fall on the other side of your thoughts though.
So, short version: shaZam! happens. people get scared. people that are scared expect cops to do something. comming over and saying, "stop it" doesnt cut it most of the time that they are needed.
While I agree that you should be able to break your own stuff (making sure that you really are breaking only your own stuff), the law in most places is set up so that if the cops do get called for domestic violence, they have to arrest someone. It may seem silly in your situation, but the the law is the way it is to protect battered women. So the cops can't show up, and have the scared and abused wife/girlfriend call the cops off ("No, it's all right. He loves me, really.) only to be abused further.
i see yalls point but still suxs for my bro and its still stupid
Quote from: aaronstjthe law in most places is set up so that if the cops do get called for domestic violence, they have to arrest someone.
And 99% of the time it's the guy going to jail... (Even though it's the guy being the agressor like 85% of the time).
That other 1% is when the guy is smart enough to let his woman stab him without defending himself... Then call the cops and hide in a locked room... THEN the woman attacks the cops when they show up...
Other than that... It's the guy going to jail no matter who did what. :dunno:
Quote from: luisfigo_benficamy friend jus got arrested for domestic violence thing is he didnt even touch anyone... :o apparently if ur arguing with a family menber and u start breakin ur own stuff u can be arrested, wutta hell is it just me or does that sound stupid as s&*t??? if im pissed and i wanna break my own shaZam! i should be allowed to do so. :guns: any thoughts???
I'm not a lawyer but I have some familiarity with this issue due to a friend and her boyfriend.
Smashing things while threatening someone can be part of charge of "communicating threats". In all the places I know of you aren't charged with "domestic violence" but rather "assault" or something similar if physical contact is involved. If there is no evidence or testimony of contact then things get less clear.
Like others have said , if the cops show up on a call like that they usually take someone away. In other words they are placed under arrest but may not later be charged with anything. Depending on local laws, you might be charged with "disturbing the peace" if breaking your own shaZam! caused your neighbors to call 911.
What was the specific charge? Sounds like he might need a lawyer and an anger management class.
I think the law is BS. Women who stay in abuse relationships are just plain stupid. There is no reason for it anymore, and there is no reason for society or our laws to cater to them. There are safe houses, government programs, and laws to protect battered women. And before I get too much guff, let me state that while growing up my mother was in TWO abusive relationships. We lived in a batterned women and children shelter for a while. So I can sort of understand where battered women and children come from. Hence the reason I don't think the man should be arrested for domestic violence for yelling or breaking things. Distubring the peace, perhaps. But no one should have to walk on egg shells or have presumed guilt, either. This is supposed to be a free country, and you should be innocent until proven guilty.
I don't think the guy is right for yelling / breaking shaZam!. He sounds like an @$$hole. But it isn't against the law to be an @$$hole. If it were, a lot of us including myself would be in a lot of trouble. :P
I think your friend / brother / whatever he is should get a lawyer and try to have this dropped if he takes anger management counseling and stays away from the woman.
Personally, I'm pretty level headed so I can't think of a time when I really went off the deep end like this. That's when you just walk out say say: :nana:
Quote from: PhaedrusI think the law is BS. Women who stay in abuse relationships are just plain stupid. There is no reason for it anymore,
Frequently, males who abuse isolate their wives/girlfriends from their family, friends, etc, and don't "allow" the woman to work outside the home. She's completely dependent on him, and her self esteem is also often in tatters. It takes an incredibly strong and brave woman to pack up and leave; it's scarier to head out for the unknown with absolutely no idea of how you'll eat than it is to stay in the known, even if that means being beaten/abused.
The only place I have a hard time is when I hear that there are children being abused. I would die before I'd let my child suffer at the hands of anyone. Unfortunately, the women are often so beaten down that they feel powerless, even though their children are in danger, too.
If a man OR a woman is yelling, threatening, throwing things, and/or basically out of control, I think they SHOULD be arrested. If we want the benefits of freedom, we need to control ourselves. I wonder if the guy threw any of his things at or near his girlfriend.
Quote from: callmelennyIn all the places I know of you aren't charged with "domestic violence" but rather "assault" or something similar if physical contact is involved.
Battery is when physical contact is involved. Assault is threats of physical violence, which can include smashing stuff.
Anger management - and read the laws. Ignorance of 'em doesn't cut it...
And that's not a dumb law. These are dumb laws. :)
http://www.dumb.com/laws.htm
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http://www.dumb.com/laws.htm
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It's against the law for a man to seduce "a chaste woman by means of temptation, deception, arts, flattery or a promise of marriage." This one gets me every time.... I'm so chaste until one of you sly male devils comes around with your false promises and chocolate temptations... I then become a wanton wench... :o
BTW, this is how my man got me... he brought me two boxes of chocolate, and I was immediately rendered defenseless against his charms. :kiss: :mrgreen:
No ...
Battery - A device that stores electricity in the form of a chemical mixture and is frequently used to power electrical devices.
A - Salt - It is a sea water derivative that is frequently used to add flavor and preserve food products due to its tangy sharp taste.
So - Now you know ...
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And I do not believe people will put a salt in the battery ... That is just horrible.
Cool.
Srinath.
Quote from: seshadri_srinathAnd I do not believe people will put a salt in the battery.
Distilled, deionized water only!
Yeah...there's nothing worse than a salted battery. :P
Quotethere's nothing worse than a salted battery
pandy, you're a genius!!!! I'll tell that to my wife the next time she tries to get frisky at 1 am. Sorry, my battery is salted. :lol: :lol:
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I just saved the most important point in THIS post. :P :lol:
Quote from: yamahonkawazukiwanton wench. hmmm pandy's "custom title? hmmmmmmmmmmm? jk we luv ya :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: hey...I just passed 2000 posts and have now become a GP racer....yahooo whooppee w00t! :nana:
must you turn every post into me me me, look at me thread? :nana:
:nana: "You may not have more than two dildos in a house" :roll:
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Jealous, sweetie? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ok, everyone..let's make the rest of this thread about JetSwing so that we don't have to listen to him whine! :cheers:
Or we could get back on topic :roll:
Quote from: PhaedrusOr we could get back on topic :roll:
Ok...what's YOUR take on salted batteries!? :nana:
i think this sort of arrest is treading a thin line. breaking stuff could be a blatant implied threat. it could also be the closest thing to a reasonable way someone can express their anger under extreme circumstances.
when i was married, i once got really pissed and went in the kitchen and smashed a glass on the counter. not the best way to let my anger out, but certainly not the worst.
the idea that i would have actually posed any physical threat to my ex is absurd. though in retrospect i realize she was probably frightened (even though i don't think she had cause to be) and i wish i could have dealt with it better.
if frightening her had been my intention, it would be a different situation, but i was just dealing with extreme anger the best i could at the moment. fear was an unintended side-effect.
i can't imagine having been arrested for that. well, if the accuser's fear is genuine, even if the threat isn't, maybe arrest is a reasonable if unfortunate precaution necessary in a situation with people on the edge. being charged when i had in no way acted maliciously would be going too far, i think.
Quote from: indestructiblemanthe idea that i would have actually posed any physical threat to my ex is absurd. though in retrospect i realize she was probably frightened (even though i don't think she had cause to be) and i wish i could have dealt with it better.
I think this is a key idea here. The law usually sides with the "victim" (ie. if the victim felt frightened, then it's assault/battery/whatever the charge is). If you like guns and don't feel afraid of them, but you hold one up to someone who *is* afraid of them, then you'll likely be held accountable for acting in a threatening manner.
Quote from: indestructiblemanif frightening her had been my intention, it would be a different situation, but i was just dealing with extreme anger the best i could at the moment. fear was an unintended side-effect.
Well..to take an example to the extreme, drunk drivers don't mean to get in their cars and kill someone; it's just an unintended side effect. If the result of our dealing with extreme anger is that someone is hurt, frightened, or feels threatened, then we're doing something wrong...
Quote from: indestructiblemanwell, if the accuser's fear is genuine, even if the threat isn't, maybe arrest is a reasonable if unfortunate precaution necessary in a situation with people on the edge. being charged when i had in no way acted maliciously would be going too far, i think.
If I crash my car into someone because I'm changing my CD, talking on the cell, re-doing my makeup, and finishing up my breakfast, then I'm not acting maliciously, I'm acting stupidly. I am responsible for my stupid behaviour, especially if injury is inflicted on someone else.
If someone raises a fist, they're threatening someone. If someone feels in danger because someone throws a glass against the wall, there's something wrong with the picture. None of us should be acting in a manner that makes someone else feel threatned, *especially* someone we love and care about.
All this being said, my most violent moment was when I threw a bag of chocolate chips at my ex-husband, and I nailed him. I look back on that with great shame, because I obviously didn't control myself. However, the response to that violence is not to return the violence, and--to his great credit--he didn't. It might have seemed silly to arrest a 5'3" woman for attack with a bag of chocolate chips, but if he'd been truly frightened for his safety, I think it would have been appropriate. :dunno:
Flame away. ;)
your example involve causing unintentional physical harm through carelessness. i can see why that is criminal.
unintentionally frightening someone through carelessness doesn't seem equivalent to me.
When someone feels threatened, they should flee the situation. Ask any self defense expert and they will tell you that the key to safety is DISTANCE. If you are afraid or you are in a situation that is frightening to you, it is your responsibility to distance yourself from it.
If the person infringed on your rights to flee and distance yourself, they are becoming agressive and are therefore threatening you or putting you in harm's way.
ok, this seem to be one of those threads i some how missed and am way behind. a person was arrested for domestic violence for busting up his own property. question is, was this person still hot under the collar when PD arrived? did he see a judge for this? or was it a slot fill to force a temp time out? (get him away from the scene and cooled down) I cant see it being called domestic violence as it was painted with no contact, unless there was some other word play by the so called Victom. Disorderly conduct,disturbing the peace (any time,day, or place) or any other number of Creative writeing law enforcement can use to step in. I garrentee that the other party had other words that the arrestee didnt hear nor could discredit. If he never laid finger one, or tossed something at this person, there really isnt anything wrong with it, IF he was busting up something that WASNT his then he is nailed.
domestic violence can happen both ways, ive seen plenty of large men beat and busted up by wemen. ive seen a man defend himself as best he can without hurting the woman who is attacking and still be the one getting arrested for battery. Domestic Violence is a very touchy and a very explosive subject that depends on individual interpritation. like anything else 2 will never be alike.
does a husband/wife who is verbaly abusive deserve to get stabed or shot? no, they deserve to be left living alone or finding another place to sleep
now a couple in a heated arguement and one wont let the other out,or move away to leave, or vent, but instead continues to needle or block the others escape route deserve a pop in the mouth? yeah, i could see it.
Ive been there, i know my anger can get beyond reason, when i feel it going nuclear im looking to leave for abit or bust somthing that isnt living to cool down even briefly. ive had a good friend push me to the point i was ready to pee myself in anger but he refused to let me leave or walk away to sort it out later. it wasnt untill i had hands around his neck and lifting him off his feet to MOVE him from my path that he realized i was borderline meltdown. it scared me and upset me it got that far, but i was trying to leave and get away to cool down. he doesnt blame me for what i did, he had me blocked leaving me no way out
Humans no matter how civilized are still animals when it comes to intense anger or pain. emotions. do i agree with anyone beating hell outa a partner cuz the laundry isnt done? they are broke? someone was flirting around with or even fooled around on them? No, too many routes out of those scenes to justify assualt (yes been there too)
but to get into a mix, and deny a way out or to NOT take a way out. you deserve what you get. your so angry you gotta bust something up NON living, do it, gotta walk away? even better. your in a mix with someone they are busting something up, let them, better it then you. they need to leave or walk away? let them,sort it out later or make plans to go seporate ways for good but do it once the storm has passed.