Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: jdmbuilt on October 18, 2005, 05:58:24 PM
Post by: jdmbuilt on October 18, 2005, 05:58:24 PM
anyone have tips when making a turn? ;)
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: ditchdoc1017 on October 18, 2005, 05:59:13 PM
Post by: ditchdoc1017 on October 18, 2005, 05:59:13 PM
Look where you want to go.
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: ditchdoc1017 on October 18, 2005, 05:59:31 PM
Post by: ditchdoc1017 on October 18, 2005, 05:59:31 PM
Look where you want to go.
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: jdmbuilt on October 18, 2005, 06:01:05 PM
Post by: jdmbuilt on October 18, 2005, 06:01:05 PM
Quote from: ditchdoc1017Look where you want to go.
thanks. i remembered my instructor saying that at the MSF course. what anout leaning? countersteering?
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: RVertigo on October 18, 2005, 06:01:41 PM
Post by: RVertigo on October 18, 2005, 06:01:41 PM
Worth saying three times!!
Look into the corner...
If you haven't taken the MSF course... Do it! It's worth it.
Look into the corner...
If you haven't taken the MSF course... Do it! It's worth it.
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: Narcissus on October 18, 2005, 06:06:10 PM
Post by: Narcissus on October 18, 2005, 06:06:10 PM
I had some problems turning originally because I was looking around the bike making sure I wasn't going to hit anything while goign through my turn rather than looking into it. That caused me to make really wide arse turns, sometimes coming uncomfortably close to cars in the other lane, especially if they were turning with me and cutting into my lane a bit. My advice, take a quick look at the turn before you go into it to make sure theres nothing that requires you to pay special attention to it and then look at the road ahead and the bike will get you there.
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: davipu on October 18, 2005, 06:09:45 PM
Post by: davipu on October 18, 2005, 06:09:45 PM
whare ever your looking is whare the bike will go.
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: Roadstergal on October 18, 2005, 06:15:52 PM
Post by: Roadstergal on October 18, 2005, 06:15:52 PM
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0965045013/qid=1129684536/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-9882756-1090455?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: RedShift on October 18, 2005, 06:24:43 PM
Post by: RedShift on October 18, 2005, 06:24:43 PM
as well as:
Proficient Motorcycling: The Ultimate Guide to Riding Well (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=bsq1ATLyvW&isbn=1889540536&itm=1)
and practice...
Proficient Motorcycling: The Ultimate Guide to Riding Well (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=bsq1ATLyvW&isbn=1889540536&itm=1)
and practice...
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: Crim on October 18, 2005, 06:42:41 PM
Post by: Crim on October 18, 2005, 06:42:41 PM
look and practice!
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: dgyver on October 18, 2005, 06:59:12 PM
Post by: dgyver on October 18, 2005, 06:59:12 PM
Don't fall down.
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: Crim on October 18, 2005, 07:02:16 PM
Post by: Crim on October 18, 2005, 07:02:16 PM
QuoteDon't fall down.
yeah that one hurts...
Title: Re: any tips on turning?
Post by: Phaedrus on October 18, 2005, 07:07:42 PM
Post by: Phaedrus on October 18, 2005, 07:07:42 PM
Quote from: jdmbuiltanyone have tips when making a turn? ;)
Don't slam on the brakes :P Try getting to the speed you want to take the corner...before you take the corner.
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: porsche4786 on October 18, 2005, 07:12:37 PM
Post by: porsche4786 on October 18, 2005, 07:12:37 PM
Quote from: dgyverDon't fall down.
If i remember right, my instructors said do not fall and you will not get hurt! :thumb:
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: Alphamazing on October 18, 2005, 07:22:58 PM
Post by: Alphamazing on October 18, 2005, 07:22:58 PM
Do not step on the rear brake in turns. You'll run the risk of lowsiding. Do not grab the front brake in turns. Your bike will stand up on you and you will risk highsiding.
Look through the turn.
Look where you want to go.
Look through the turn.
Look where you want to go.
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: ditchdoc1017 on October 18, 2005, 07:40:09 PM
Post by: ditchdoc1017 on October 18, 2005, 07:40:09 PM
Also if you looking at it your hit it IE deer, dogs,wood in the road,dead animals.Look past it.
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: porsche4786 on October 18, 2005, 07:42:29 PM
Post by: porsche4786 on October 18, 2005, 07:42:29 PM
Just out of curiosity, can you scrape a knee on the gs?
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: NiceGuysFinishLast on October 18, 2005, 08:20:36 PM
Post by: NiceGuysFinishLast on October 18, 2005, 08:20:36 PM
keep the shiny side up!
:)
:)
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: Chris_B on October 18, 2005, 08:23:07 PM
Post by: Chris_B on October 18, 2005, 08:23:07 PM
yes, have i done it yet, no.
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: NightRyder on October 18, 2005, 08:28:10 PM
Post by: NightRyder on October 18, 2005, 08:28:10 PM
Accelerate through the turn! Go faster! Don't brake! um, lets see, what else did they say.... oh, Push harder!
haha, like the Daft Punk song, Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger! well, maybe not stronger unless you think looking where you want to go makes you stronger... :?
haha, like the Daft Punk song, Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger! well, maybe not stronger unless you think looking where you want to go makes you stronger... :?
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: porsche4786 on October 18, 2005, 08:45:21 PM
Post by: porsche4786 on October 18, 2005, 08:45:21 PM
Quote from: NightRyderAccelerate through the turn! Go faster! Don't brake! um, lets see, what else did they say.... oh, Push harder!
haha, like the Daft Punk song, Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger! well, maybe not stronger unless you think looking where you want to go makes you stronger... :?
bah! speaking of daft punk...my friend made this guitar....
http://myspace-957.vo.llnwd.net/00185/75/97/185607957_l.jpg
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: Roadstergal on October 18, 2005, 08:49:03 PM
Post by: Roadstergal on October 18, 2005, 08:49:03 PM
Quote from: dgyverDon't fall down.D'oh! I've been doing it all wrong.
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: natedawg120 on October 18, 2005, 08:57:54 PM
Post by: natedawg120 on October 18, 2005, 08:57:54 PM
i guess i have been doing it all wrong as well. :lol: :lol:
Jokes aside; Slow, Look, Press, and Roll. Slow more than you think you have to and you will get the hang of it, just practice good form.
Jokes aside; Slow, Look, Press, and Roll. Slow more than you think you have to and you will get the hang of it, just practice good form.
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: Badger on October 19, 2005, 06:11:10 AM
Post by: Badger on October 19, 2005, 06:11:10 AM
Quote from: natedawg120Pretty soon you'll be pressing and rolling more than you thought you could.
Jokes aside; Slow, Look, Press, and Roll. Slow more than you think you have to and you will get the hang of it, just practice good form.
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: TarzanBoy on October 19, 2005, 06:28:01 AM
Post by: TarzanBoy on October 19, 2005, 06:28:01 AM
Quote from: porsche4786Just out of curiosity, can you scrape a knee on the gs?
Dude, i've seen pictures of guys scraping knees on goldwings! But before you go out and start trying it, try to remember 3 things:
1 - The GS500 has considerably skinnier tires than most street bikes (stock is 130). Less contact surface with the road = be more careful
2 - YOUR tires aren't race tires (unless you have race takeoffs... but finding a 130 or 140 race takeoff probably involves a bit of searching around). This means that they are a lot less sticky and will lowside much more easily if you push them too far.
3. the guys who do drag knees are in full leathers with plastic pucks on their joints... and just about everything on their races bikes are considered disposable (esp if they have good sponsors).
So before you start hanging off the bike when making left turns around the local highway on/off-ramps... remember..., dont' be like this guy:
Even though he's devilishly handsome (and single too, ladies!), what he's doing isn't safe!
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: annguyen1981 on October 19, 2005, 06:47:42 AM
Post by: annguyen1981 on October 19, 2005, 06:47:42 AM
I've discovered that if someone is having trouble turning on a motorcycle, they should jump on a bicycle for an hour or two and do some riding around in one of those.
Turning on a m/c is exacty the same as turning on a bicycle. The only difference is where the power is coming from. Most beginners get hung up on the "countersteering" concept.
"why turn the bars left to go right above semi high speeds???"
"why turn the bars right to go right during low speeds???"
Just go back to the basics with a bicycle... That helps.
Turning on a m/c is exacty the same as turning on a bicycle. The only difference is where the power is coming from. Most beginners get hung up on the "countersteering" concept.
"why turn the bars left to go right above semi high speeds???"
"why turn the bars right to go right during low speeds???"
Just go back to the basics with a bicycle... That helps.
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: pandy on October 19, 2005, 07:34:34 AM
Post by: pandy on October 19, 2005, 07:34:34 AM
Quote from: porsche4786Just out of curiosity, can you scrape a knee on the gs?
Yeah, I scraped my knee a couple of weeks ago when I had a little get off. :(
It's definitely possible to scrape knee on a GS. :lol:
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: Badger on October 19, 2005, 07:36:12 AM
Post by: Badger on October 19, 2005, 07:36:12 AM
Quote from: annguyen1981"why turn the bars left to go right above semi high speeds???"I've talked to a few MSF instructors, and my impression is that many would prefer to never mention countersteering until -after- people have actually done it. I tend to agree. Talking about it beforehand just confuses people becuase it sounds wrong and the analytic part of their brain resists...but put them on a bicycle or motorcycle and they do it naturally.
"why turn the bars right to go right during low speeds???"
That's not to say they shouldn't discuss countersteering, but waiting until after people have experienced it allows them to drill the "push harder to turn harder" concept--since that isn't so natural--and make control actions conscious rather than inherent (which in turn leads to precision).
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: Alphamazing on October 19, 2005, 07:39:47 AM
Post by: Alphamazing on October 19, 2005, 07:39:47 AM
Quote from: TarzanBoy2 - YOUR tires aren't race tires (unless you have race takeoffs... but finding a 130 or 140 race takeoff probably involves a bit of searching around). This means that they are a lot less sticky and will lowside much more easily if you push them too far.
+1
That's how I crashed my '92. Lowsided after pushing it too far (I think). But still. Even if I didn't he's very right. Be wary!
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: dbNnc on October 19, 2005, 07:53:40 AM
Post by: dbNnc on October 19, 2005, 07:53:40 AM
Don't downshift in the middle of a turn. It can cause your rear tire to lose traction and jump sideways.
Go slow through unfamiliar turns or turns with sand on the pavement. On my commute I have to turn onto two roads dump trucks use to get to and from construction sites. So if you see a construction site or dump trucks, assume the road is sandy, dirty or muddy.
Go slow through unfamiliar turns or turns with sand on the pavement. On my commute I have to turn onto two roads dump trucks use to get to and from construction sites. So if you see a construction site or dump trucks, assume the road is sandy, dirty or muddy.
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: porsche4786 on October 19, 2005, 08:20:29 AM
Post by: porsche4786 on October 19, 2005, 08:20:29 AM
whoa!, never said I was going to go out and try to scrape my knee. was just wondering because it surprising how sharp you can turn. I don't have full leathers with the pads on the knees, my stuff is nylon with padding, not exactly made for the track.
Quote from: TarzanBoyQuote from: porsche4786Just out of curiosity, can you scrape a knee on the gs?
Dude, i've seen pictures of guys scraping knees on goldwings! But before you go out and start trying it, try to remember 3 things:
1 - The GS500 has considerably skinnier tires than most street bikes (stock is 130). Less contact surface with the road = be more careful
2 - YOUR tires aren't race tires (unless you have race takeoffs... but finding a 130 or 140 race takeoff probably involves a bit of searching around). This means that they are a lot less sticky and will lowside much more easily if you push them too far.
3. the guys who do drag knees are in full leathers with plastic pucks on their joints... and just about everything on their races bikes are considered disposable (esp if they have good sponsors).
So before you start hanging off the bike when making left turns around the local highway on/off-ramps... remember..., dont' be like this guy:
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: ditchdoc1017 on October 19, 2005, 08:35:23 AM
Post by: ditchdoc1017 on October 19, 2005, 08:35:23 AM
Go to www.killboy.com and check out those pics those guys and gals do some major turning but it not always good.
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: dhgeyer on October 19, 2005, 09:24:43 AM
Post by: dhgeyer on October 19, 2005, 09:24:43 AM
1. Slow to a safe speed with both brakes before entering the turn
2. Look all the way through the turn, keeping head and eyes up
3. Press on the right handlebar to turn right, the left handlebar to turn left
4. Roll on the throttle through the turn - steady - not too hard
Take the MSF Basic Rider Course ASAP
2. Look all the way through the turn, keeping head and eyes up
3. Press on the right handlebar to turn right, the left handlebar to turn left
4. Roll on the throttle through the turn - steady - not too hard
Take the MSF Basic Rider Course ASAP
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: Badger on October 19, 2005, 09:54:31 AM
Post by: Badger on October 19, 2005, 09:54:31 AM
Quote from: jdmbuiltanyone have tips when making a turn?Once I asked my flight instructor: Do you have any tips on landing? I got: "Sure: wheels first. Don't crash." Good advice...but not helpful.
I had to ask, "I'm landing long, floating too much, I think I'm too fast, and I'm consistently landing left of the centerline...how can I better manage my speed on final and track down the centerline better?" That was followed by 2 hours of touch & goes and very helpful analysis, suggestions, exercises, and advice...followed by smoother landings.
I suspect this is the same kind of thread. Perhaps if you could specify what you're having trouble with or be more specific about what you'd like advice on you might get some helpful replies. There are lots of details involved with cornering from control inputs, lean angle, body position, weight distribution, throttle usage, braking, picking the right path, traction management, you name it. The complexity and precision required increase with velocity.
I suggest you try something like one of these:
"I'm running wide in turns, but I don't think I'm going too fast...what could be causing this?"
"The bike feels unstable when doing low-speed turns...How do I keep it from falling to the inside of the turn."
"The rear wheel locked up in a hard corner and threw me 50 feet over the bike, I'm in traction now and I'm wondering what I did wrong."
"I was showing off my skills dragging a knee and fell off the bike...my cargo shorts ripped, I lost one flip-flop, and my T-shirt has been ground into what little remaining flesh I have...am I an idiot?"
:)
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: pandy on October 19, 2005, 10:22:31 AM
Post by: pandy on October 19, 2005, 10:22:31 AM
Quote from: Badger"I was showing off my skills dragging a knee and fell off the bike...my cargo shorts ripped, I lost one flip-flop, and my T-shirt has been ground into what little remaining flesh I have...am I an idiot?":)
:lol: :lol: :lol: Mad skillz.
Title: any tips on turning?
Post by: flyingbeagle71 on October 19, 2005, 11:33:37 AM
Post by: flyingbeagle71 on October 19, 2005, 11:33:37 AM
Quote from: Badger"The rear wheel locked up in a hard corner and threw me 50 feet over the bike, I'm in traction now and I'm wondering what I did wrong."
"I was showing off my skills dragging a knee and fell off the bike...my cargo shorts ripped, I lost one flip-flop, and my T-shirt has been ground into what little remaining flesh I have...am I an idiot?"
:)
Badger rules!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: