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I have to say that since I got my motorcycle I have not been driving my car hardly at all and feel like I have been neglecting her.  Now since the colder weather is coming I got her out the other day and gave her a quick cleaning.  Later on I got to change the oil, filter, plugs, O2 sensor, and install my new catalytic convertor.  Busy week huh? :(  There is other things that I need to work with on the car but I do not have time or the money with the holidays coming up.

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that color is fly  :thumb:

Nice!  

What do you think of the SRT-4?

Nice pictures  :thumb:  I love Mopars. I've had quite a few of them, but never a Neon. I almost bought one late last Spring instead of my Hyundai, but I ended up getting a better deal on it. I wou;dn't mind a nice lil SRT-4  8)

As far as Neons go, yours is probably the coolest one I have seen.
And that is saying something because I think that most Neons are ugly.
Now that your driving your car alot, you will probably think that your neglicting your bike and a giant chain reaction will start.

what's the difference between plymouth neon and dodge neon?

Quote from: Jake DNice!  

What do you think of the SRT-4?

I would love to have one.  Last year I talked to a guy that had a 04 at the drag strip.  He only had an aftermarket exhaust, and a stage one upgrade from Mopar.  13.5-13.6 in 1/4 :)

Quote from: JetSwingwhat's the difference between plymouth neon and dodge neon?

One starts with a "D" and one with a "P" :mrgreen:

Cosmetic differences only, all made in the same assembly plants. Same parts, except for the Mexican made Neons they have different radiators, other minor items too.

I am not 100% sure of the difference between a Dodge Neon and a PLymouth Neon, but I think the main thing is that Plymouth WAS a subdivision of the Chrysler Corp that owns Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Plymouth, etc (Mopars!). Plymouth went out of business and Dodge picked up production of the Neon.

There might be some technical changes but I think thats the main reason.

Quote from: BlazinjrOne starts with a "D" and one with a "P" :mrgreen:

i don't know how i didn't see that... :oops:

and how come there's no chrysler neon?

Quote from: JetSwingand how come there's no chrysler neon?

Because Dodge already owns it. Same reason there isn't a Honda Civic and an Acura Civic..hehe.

If I am not mistake, I also think that each subdivision had their own niche:

Chrysler = Luxury
Dodge = Performance
Plymouth = Family/Economy

When plymouth died out, the family/economy portion went over to Dodge.

Actually there is/was a Chrysler neon.  Export only though.

Plymoth still makes ONE car.

Bonus points for anyone that gets it.

:lol:  :lol:  i got you trapped

chrysler srts...neon is one of those  :nana:

Quote from: Jake DPlymoth still makes ONE car.

Bonus points for anyone that gets it.

plymouth Lemon?

Quote from: JetSwing:lol:  :lol:  i got you trapped

chrysler srts...neon is one of those  :nana:

chrysler srts???

It is a Dodge SRT4 and no where does it say Neon on it.  Look at the website.  Look at one at a dealership.  A friends uncle has one and the title and registration and paperwork from the dealer didn't even say Neon.

The main shell and parts of the interior is the Neons but everything is SRT4.    SRT4

Quote from: Jake DPlymoth still makes ONE car.

Bonus points for anyone that gets it.

The Prowler? Do they still make that? We got a guy in town that has one..it's kinda weird looking ;) I didn't know they still made it as a Plymouth? Do they?  :dunno:

Jetswing - how do you figure the Neon is a Chrysler SRT? The Neon SRT-4 is a Dodge. What are you rambling about?  :lol: SRT isn't just for Dodge's. I know Jeeps have the SRT designation too.  :dunno:

Actually the last year or 2 of production of the Prowler it was called a Chrysler Prowler

Oh.   Nevermind.  Bonus points for Blazinjr for being a DSM geek.

no one get no points!

they stop making prowler

Quote from: Jake DOh.   Nevermind.  Bonus points for Blazinjr for being a DSM geek.

DSM refers to Diamond Star Motors   AKA  Mitsu built cars

No DSM geek here, you sir just insulted my Plymouth ;)

Blazinjr you are right, the SRT-4 isn't technically called a Neon but we all know better  :P

http://www.allpar.com/reviews/2003/srt-4.html

If I am not mistaken, I think the Chrysler PT Cruiser has the same platform as the Neon and the SRT-4, but the PT Cruiser GT has the same engine/turbo as the SRT-4.

Also, the only Chrysler SRT that comes to mind is the Crossfire SRT-6.  That's a snappy little car, I would love one.

SRT-4 only goes to the SRT-4 car oddly enough, even though the PT Cruiser GT has the same setup I would think it would have been called the PT Cruiser SRT-4 but it isn't.. kinda like the the SRT-8 is what, the Charger, a Jeep, the Magnum? The SRT-10 I think is the Viper SRT-10 and the Ram SRT-10.

Ah hell I dunno  :lol:

Quote from: PhaedrusJetswing - how do you figure the Neon is a Chrysler SRT? The Neon SRT-4 is a Dodge. What are you rambling about?  :lol: SRT isn't just for Dodge's. I know Jeeps have the SRT designation too.  :dunno:

daimlerchrysler owns chrysler, dodge and jeep and they all have srts. chrysler is th emother brand. if you go to their website they list srt4 (neon) too.

DSM refers to Chrysler too.  That is the Diamond.  Mitsu is the Star.

Correct?  DSM could even refer to an older Eagle Talon.  Correct?

the last prowler (2002) was auctioned off for $175,000

Quote from: JetSwingdaimlerchrysler owns chrysler, dodge and jeep and they all have srts. chrysler is th emother brand.

Yeah. Ok, I see what you are saying.  :thumb:

Yes the PT Cruiser GT and the SRT4 share the same 230hp engine but the intake design and the PCM limiting boost through the first 2 gears on the PT really cuts down on the fun part and really slows it down on the 1/4 mile along with having more weight.  I raced a PT GT,  I took him by about 2 car lengths.

The PT Cruiser Limited has a available turbocharged 2.4-liter DOHC engine only producing 180 horsepower, 30 more than the standard and it comes with a auto stick transmission.  

As far as the ywo cars sharing the same platform, mm no.  Similar yes

My wife and I had a 2002 Pt Cruiser with a 5-speed, we loved it up until it got rear ended :(     I got to compare it to a 01 Neon while they were both up on lifts.  engines will interchange but transmissions I don't think they will.  suspension setup is different as is the floor pans setup.

i thought neon and pt cruiser shared the same plateform and engine, at least at one point.  :dunno:

Neon standard 132-horsepower 2.0-liter SOHC 16-valve 4-cylinder

PT Cruiser standard 2.4-liter 16-valve 4-cylinder DOHC 150 hp

The 2.4 liter engine can easily be swapped into the Neon with little modification.

Yeah, and I believe the suspension is almost identical. I could be wrong though, it has happened once or twice.  :P

Rear supension on the PT is straight beam axle with trailing arms and the Neon is 4 wheel independent suspension.  :P

When the PT was in developement and in prototype at the shows the speculation was that it was on the Neon subframe but it was not.

"The Cruiser shares a number of key components with the Neon, as well as the slightly larger Cirrus and Stratus models, which provide Cruiser its 2.4-liter, 16-valve engine."

"The PT Cruiser's interior is derived from the new 2000 Neon"

none us model still uses the 2.0 liter engine from neon.

Quote from: JetSwing"The Cruiser shares a number of key components with the Neon, as well as the slightly larger Cirrus and Stratus models, which provide Cruiser its 2.4-liter, 16-valve engine."

"The PT Cruiser's interior is derived from the new 2000 Neon"

none us model still uses the 2.0 liter engine from neon.

The PT cruiser I had, the interiors only resemblance was around the radio and center dash.

under the sheet metal they share some stuff, and the 2.4 does come from the older Cirrus, Stratus, base mini vans, and Avenger.

I figure when the Caliber comes out the 2.0 SOHC will go away and be replace by the 2.4 DOHC or the 2.4 SOHC that powers the Stratus Coupe base model.

What is the Caliber?  

BTW, who do they have workin' in the moniker department over there?  Geez.

http://www.dodge.com/caliber/?pid=12080988&adid=22853999_0&rid=0

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=105648

http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/caliber.html

Only thing I don't like is that they have not mentioned anything about a manual transmission. :x

don't hold your breath.  It has a continuously variable transaxle.  It doesn't really shift gears.  Like riding a jet ski or snowmobile.  Boring!!!! ZZZZzzzz.

Ask anybody that has driving a Ford 500.  No shifty = no funny.

caliber is the neon replacement right?

If you want to call it a replacement.

More of a Toyota Matrix/Pontiac Vibe in disguise

i always wanted to buy a neon... cheap. but I don't know how they came to have a reputation of bad engines and overall, bad cars (at least on my head)... is it because of dodge? does it matter at all?

what im trying to say is... are neon's good or not? (cheap parts, easy fix, do it yourself)

Quote from: subci always wanted to buy a neon... cheap. but I don't know how they came to have a reputation of bad engines and overall, bad cars (at least on my head)... is it because of dodge? does it matter at all?

what im trying to say is... are neon's good or not? (cheap parts, easy fix, do it yourself)

Dodge's are good vehicles. A lot of American made cars are getting a bad rap these days, but they are just as good - if not better - than a lot of foriegn cars. neons in particular are very cheap to buy, insure, repair, etc. They are economical, have a good aftermarket, etc.

The "bad engine" is typical on any vehicle that isn't taken care of. I've seen a Neon or two develop oil leaks, but they are beat to hell.

I wouldn't hesitate to purchase a Neon if I were car shopping and found one that I liked and got a good deal on.  :thumb:

Quote from: PhaedrusA lot of American made cars are getting a bad rap these days, but they are just as good - if not better - than a lot of foriegn cars.

i'm going to go out on a limb :roll: and disagree with you.  :green:

seriously, american cars makers are not there yet. i think chrysler brand is making big strides but other than that, there's still is a huge gap.

I bought my car roughly 4 years ago with 58,000 miles on it.  Friday I rolled over 90,000 miles.  Things I have replaced besides brake pads, plenty of tires, and fluids are....

Head gasket recall done at 45,000 miles
drivers side axle seal
Cam position sensor
battery temp sensor( I broke it installing CAI )
shifter linkake bushings
PCM flashed


I have counted around 65+ time slips that I have plus the ones that got thrown away.  So I am guessing around 80+ passes at National Trail raceway.  Also the racing and hard driving that this car gets on the street and back roads.  

The SOHC engines are easier to work on than the DOHC, but i have yet to have to tear into my engine yet.  It has been a good little car and I will get another if something ever happens to it.

Some American cars suck; mostly Fords  :P  But to categorize them ALL as crappy would be too broad of a generalization. A friend of mine has a Toyota Corrola; the damn thing is always breaking down. Another friend has a Camry whose transmission went and it doesn't even have 100k miles on it yet. A guy I work with has an Isuzu Rodeo and every week it is something and it only has around 150,xxx miles.  :dunno:

Don't get me wrong; I drive a Hyundai Accent right now. But I don't think it is any better build quality than anything else IN IT'S CLASS. Which would be what..a Civic, Corrola, Focus, Cavalier, Neon, etc.  :dunno:

Being American - especially a Mopar (Dodge, chrysler, etc) does not automatically assume it is not well made.  :thumb:

It is important to compare vehicles within their class.

i'm sure you already know this but hyundai accent really isn't a very good car...ok, it's a crap. now, the new hyundai sonata is a great car. it almost feels and drives like an accord. honda and toyota are highly reliable cars so it sucks for your friend with camry. i like nissan the best out of all japanese makers...more edgier but just as reliable.

Quote from: PhaedrusBeing American - especially a Mopar (Dodge, chrysler, etc) does not automatically assume it is not well made.  :thumb:

why is it that when it comes to chevy, ford, and dodge, you either hate it or love it. there's no middle ground. like, you must pick one brand and be royal to it till death.

Quote from: PhaedrusIt is important to compare vehicles within their class.

that's true. but if i had to pick one car from every class, they all probably be foreign cars.

everyone knows that the japansese cars are of the best quality.  korean and chinese are some of the worst IMHO.  american cars suck too.  i'd own a Ford or dodge pickup anyday however.  90%of the neons i see in that body style have serious, and i mean serious paint pealage.  chrysler/dodge wouldnt acknowledge a 'f%$k up' and they wouldnt do a recall.  i didnt really follow it so someone correct me if im wrong.  

but back to your car..

are u like sponsored by all those companies?  did u know that those stickers are put on race cars because the companies are sponsers? i seriously think that is retarded.  im all for tuner cars (i drive a civic) however they are given a bad name because most people who tune them turn them into machines that look like toys from a crackerjack box.  ugh.

for example.. here is a clean and simple CTR.  beautiful.
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another example of nice and simple..

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u'll never see these guys rocking 18'' chromies or 3 ft high aluminum 'drifting' wings or flames, tear away, racing stripes etc. no altezzas or 'angel' eyes or ANYTHING from PEPBOYS. no underbody neons or strobe lites.  no $20 'no weld' exhaust.  primered body kits or stick on hood scoops.    eff fast n the furious crap like this..


(http://www.mooneyes.co.jp/garage/speed/lunar.jpg)  this is a damn minivan! wanna pick ur kids up at school in this???



(http://www.calgarystreetrides.ca/images/worstrides/hcrx/Picture%20055.jpg)  where's he going with this thing?? the moon?  dont even try and say 'oh hes improving the downforce'.  looks like a damn shopping cart.

(http://www.subiegal.com/images/events/WA%20Rice/4-2004/neon_hell1.jpg) im diggin this body kit.  i want HIM to plow my driveway in the winter.  



or how bout the kids who take off their hubcaps and roll around on steelies and tell people that they are just winter wheels and the real rims are at home.. rice is ghey.  

/rant

Quote from: weaselnozekorean and chinese are some of the worst IMHO.

first, there aren't any chinese car makers exporting to the us.

yes, korean cars in the 80's and 90's are crap. but some of the late models are quite good.

The term ricer is pretty offensive.  
I like "ricer" cars if they are tastefully done.  The JDM style looks really cool to me and sometimes, if done right, those stickers can look pretty cool.  
I don't have any on my car, but that isn't to say I never would.  If I did a lot of mods and did a lot of racing, I may be able to justify it.
But to me, having a POS truck or Camero or a ass draggin' Lincoln Mark VIII is worse than most ricer cars.  You just don't hear me telling those people that their cars are "ghey" and "retarded".   :dunno:

I have had a 96 and 99 Accent, a 98 Elantra, 01 Spectra GSX, and now have a 04 Kia Optima LX.  Of these cars no major repair was needed, no breakdowns, and only recalls and minor repairs needed.

I have had around 30 cars since 1990.  Majority I would say was Ford's.  The Honda we currently have my wife and I do not like it and she said she will not get another( she actually said she like the 1988 Daytona I bought for her better :dunno: .  

Of the GM car and trucks that I have owned I would not want them back or ever care to purchase another.
92 Z34 5 spd
94 firebird 5 spd
95 TA 6 spd
83 S-15 4x4 4 spd
77 Chevy 1/2 ton 2wd (currently have)

As far as the decals on my car, my wife bought them as a little gift and she did get at least 80% of the product names right that I have on my car.  And if you have ever told your wife or girlfriend that you did not like something that they bought for you then you would know why they are on my car.  I am in the process of taking them off and just replacing the MOPAR decal for now.  

I am all for tuner cars, but around the hills where I live everybody just does the looks and really do not get into the power part of modifing there compact cars.  So the guys that talk crap don't have much under the hood.  

The paint problem was with chevy, Ford and Dodge products from the late 80's to the late 90's too.  My uncle has a F150 and a year and a half after buying it new the paint started to come off of the hood.  He went to the dealer twice then called a Factory rep and they took care of it.  My wifes aunt had a 98 white Neon she bought used and the paint started to peel off at 3 years old.  She went to the dealer and they gave her the Reps # and within 3 weeks the hood, roof, and trunk lid was repainted.  If paint peels then get a factory Reps # and tell them what is going on. Sometimes it works.


weaselnoze do you have anything done to your Civic?  

I hope you have had better luck with yours than the one we have,  If it has a 127hp I would like to see where on a dyno.  Brake problems, radio changes stations by itself sometimes, My Optima will out run it and it handles better too :dunno:

I have only had my Accent since May, but I really like it. I wouldn't call it crap. I would call it an economical, entry level car. According to the research I did prior to buying it, the only major problem area is the automatic transmission. I have a manual.

The main advantage most foriegn cars seem to have over domestic is fuel economy. Even in the SUV class, foriegn made vehicles are better on fuel. They need to be more efficient due to the foriegn economies. Americans haven't seemed to care as much.

As for reliability, I think there is a lemon in every bunch. Just because my Ford Thunderbird was a big piece of crap does not mean that ALL T-birds are. Just because all 3 Fords I have had were crap, does not mean ALL Fords are crap.

Drive what works for you and makes you happy  :thumb:

Quote from: weaselnozelooks like a damn shopping cart.

You should check out a band called HB Surround Sound...  They have the same oppinion about those cars...



And big trucks too...   :mrgreen:

ok lets see..

i didnt get into the whole truck thing or beater camaros/chevelles/monte carlos  thing because i was expressing my opinions on tuner cars.  

the term 'ricer' IS offensive and i use it offensively.  when i think ricer i dont think imports.  i think of cheaply modded ugly tuner cars, AMERICAN (ie domestic rice) OR IMPORTED.  i already stated what i think ricer characteristics are.

my bad on the chinese thing... im really not that educated.  :lol:

i think a good way to compare quality of american, korean, and japanese cars in that specific class is to look at the resale value.  american cars are worth nothing after a few  years.  my friend had a hyndai elantra.  the thing had under 100k miles on it and was in decent shape and she couldnt get shaZam! for it.  we wont get into all the details, i'll just say that the value of the car dropped immensely.  my civic still has a good resale value after i put a lot of miles on it.  

i understand that different people have different tastes and i always say to each their own.  i dont usually go aroudn calling peoples cars ghey or retarded just because its not my style.  but i will call it ghey or retarded if it looks redicuolus.  

blazinjr,  i do at least respect that er, most of ur stickers can be backed with a part, however i still think the whole idea of sponser stickers should be for advertising a sponser.  that is they dont belong on daily drivers.

some people do all visual some do all performance.  whatever, just do it right.  (no pepboys)

as for my car?  well not a whole lot of stuff is done.  i had plans but things get in the way, u kno how it is..   i dotn think im gonna spend more money on my car for awhile.  im also dreamin of a wrx down the line so why bother modding the civic?  but as for mods; B&M short throw shifter, AEM short ram, jdm vision corners (80 bucks wtf?!), jdm city lights, i had a TR front lip but i cracked it off oops.  jdm factory fogs (never seen anyone else have them other than online).  thats it other than my audio setup.  

as for your civic being problematic?  idk.  shaZam! happens. but generally speaking they are one of the most reliable cars.  i change my fluids reguarly but other than that nothing.  i have taken that car to the edge and back and beat the shaZam! out of it every step of the way.  to this day i have had it for a lil over 1 year and 20k miles and i havent had a single issue with it. go me! lol.. ok signing off.

Quote from: JetSwingthat color is fly  :thumb:

supa fly :roll:

nice rims though.

Quote from: Kessen

Quote from: JetSwingthat color is fly  :thumb:

supa fly :roll:

nice rims though.

The rims are not bad but I wish now I would of went with a gunmetal finish with a polished lip :dunno:

The white is too hard  :x  to try and keep clean

I have a set of Daytona/Lebaron GTC wheels I am going to put on during the winter and maybe end up selling the white ones.

I can't believe how cheap wheels are on e-bay.  You can get 18's for like $400 shipped.  Amazing.

I bought my white wheels (ADR GT sport 15x7) new for $240 shipped off of EBAY.  I thought that was a good deal :dunno:

Here's a nice piece of rice...
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Quote from: CasiCUAHere's a nice piece of rice...


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not drool........  boing!

I love them, even the older ones from the 90's

I used to have a Skyline like that.  I couldn't get it licensed though because it was right hand drive.  So I just used it to run from cops then I jumped it off a ramp into a pond.  Now divers go down and look at it because it is still really cool looking.

Quote from: Jake DNow divers go down and look at it because it is still really cool looking.

id go with them if i could :(