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Title: For petes sake, WEAR A LID.
Post by: jomei on December 08, 2005, 02:30:01 PM
Guys,

I don't care what you are wearing, flip-up, half helmet or full face. JUST WEAR SOMETHING. In florida they have no helmet law.

I just found out that my mom was out riding with my dad last week and got into an accident at about 15mph. She smacked her head on the bars and was knocked unconcious because someone cut her off and braked really fast. My dad about had a heart attack, lucky, he was just a couple lengths behind her and was able get to her quick. They called an ambulance and she spent two days in the hospital. They say that she will be ok, but she punctured an eardrum when she fell, has a small hairline skull fracture, and she dropped a 30k harley on its side because she went unconcious.

Please,

WEAR A FRICKING LID, FOR CHRIST SAKE. DONT GIVE ME ANY OF THAT "ANTI HELMET LAW" "HELMET LAWS SUCK" "RIDE FREE" "LIVE TO RIDE, RIDE TO LIVE" HARLEY shaZam! THAT MY PARENTS RAM DOWN MY THROAT. HELMETS SAVE YOUR DAMN LIFE. MY MOM AND DAD BOTH SAY THEY STILL WONT WEAR ONE. WTF?!?!?! JESUS!! I AM SO PEEVED.
Title: For petes sake, WEAR A LID.
Post by: Roadstergal on December 08, 2005, 02:52:02 PM
I'm witcha...

Ugh.  Sorry.
Title: For petes sake, WEAR A LID.
Post by: Phaedrus on December 08, 2005, 02:57:16 PM
Wow, sorry to hear about this. And I agree you should always wear a helmet.

A helmet is not an accessory - it is part of the BIKE.  :thumb:
Title: For petes sake, WEAR A LID.
Post by: Jeppy on December 08, 2005, 03:05:54 PM
DUDE! You really hit home with this one. I get into so many flippin arguments with people about that. I mean....sure the GS is not a crotch rocket but I can go fast enough to turn me into a deadly flying object and not only kill me but someone else if I hit a windshield or something.
I think a helmet is a very important part of the whole picture. Get a lid on that head dam it!!!!! :x
Title: For petes sake, WEAR A LID.
Post by: Turkina on December 08, 2005, 03:08:35 PM
And make it a real goddamn helmet, not a brain bucket!  :x

Those helmets with the flip-up chin bar are a good suggestion for the chatty/need to drink or smoke/have a hard time putting helmet on types of people.  

Well, i meant drinking water and other non-alcoholic beverages!
Title: For petes sake, WEAR A LID.
Post by: Lukewarm Wilson on December 08, 2005, 03:09:33 PM
sorry to hear about that hope she will be ok
but always wear a full face helmet Ive met people in wheel chairs who were wearing half face helmets their chins hit their chest so hard the impact caused spinal damage.
Title: For petes sake, WEAR A LID.
Post by: ninja_steve on December 08, 2005, 03:10:32 PM
Quote from: JeppyDUDE! You really hit home with this one. I get into so many flippin arguments with people about that. I mean....sure the GS is not a crotch rocket but I can go fast enough to turn me into a deadly flying object and not only kill me but someone else if I hit a windshield or something.
I think a helmet is a very important part of the whole picture. Get a lid on that head dam it!!!!! :x

my arguement to customers that dont want to wear/buy lids:

you can fall and split your head open walking.  imagine what could happen at 15mph?  30? 50? 80?  yeah wearing a FULL FACE lid is a good idea.   :dunno:
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Post by: RVertigo on December 08, 2005, 03:14:00 PM
You can go fast enough on a skateboard...  a 15 MPH impact to your head can kill you.  A 50 MPH impact to your head WILL kill you.

Helmets are good...

When parents no longer have kids at home, they turn into teenagers...  Tell them that they're grounded!!!
Title: For petes sake, WEAR A LID.
Post by: jomei on December 08, 2005, 03:16:03 PM
yea, I tell them the SAME things. They just do not listen. I have been down to florida to ride with my parents, and their friends (harley crowd) look at me crooked or call me a kitty cat because I ride with a helmet on. FUG IT. It is MY head. I just wish that my fam, who I care about allot would ride with a helmet.

(they also hate my rented sport bike.. but whatever.. my dad has a sick streetfighter busa)

One of their friends said.. "If its my time to go.. then well.. its my time to go.."

I don't want that time to come pre-emptive.
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Post by: cueball220 on December 08, 2005, 03:19:29 PM
I'm all for a universal helmet law across the US.  If seatbelts are the law for cagers, how is it logical that helmet use should not be required for riders?  

I high sided this summer at about 20mph and came down on the back of my head.  Had I not been wearing there is no way I would have been able to get up from that.
Title: For petes sake, WEAR A LID.
Post by: Lukewarm Wilson on December 08, 2005, 03:23:53 PM
Just had one of the guys from work break two ribs and puncture a lung and that was while racing a pushbike in an event so anytime your riding any sort of bike you should wear protection helmet gloves boots jackets pants it maybe hot and time consuming but so is stay in hospital
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Post by: RVertigo on December 08, 2005, 03:33:10 PM
You know...  I hate laws that protect us from ourselves...  I don't think helmets should be LAW...

But, I'm gonna wear mine anyway.   :thumb:
Title: For petes sake, WEAR A LID.
Post by: Lukewarm Wilson on December 08, 2005, 03:34:07 PM
Quote from: jomeiand their friends (harley crowd) look at me crooked or call me a kitty cat because I ride with a helmet on.

One of their friends said.. "If its my time to go.. then well.. its my time to go.."

1. See if they still think like that when there face is removed by the road and say well dont know about you but my head is worth the $$$ spent on a helmet maybe theirs isn't

2. it may sometimes be true but tempting death is just stupid and sometimes you don't die you stay a busted up mental mess see if he would like that time to come.

There quotes are trying to be mucho but just come out as stupidity.
Title: For petes sake, WEAR A LID.
Post by: dyran on December 08, 2005, 03:35:56 PM
Take your parents motorcycle keys until they smarten up.
Title: For petes sake, WEAR A LID.
Post by: RVertigo on December 08, 2005, 03:44:00 PM
Next time someone calls you a kitty cat for not wearing a helmet, dare them to race you "Mad Max Style."

"Two riders enter, one with helmet leaves!"
Title: For petes sake, WEAR A LID.
Post by: nmred on December 08, 2005, 03:45:41 PM
Glad your mum is ok. I for one am not a proponent of mandatory helmet laws. Which is due to the fact, I don't think we need the gov't telling us something is unsafe for it to be patently unsafe.  It's a matter of choosing what is your own level of safety. You want to ride sans helmet, it's your choice, but you assume all responsibility for your actions.  I for one think NOT wearing a helmet is dumb and I would never do it.

Still, I pray your mum will be ok.
Title: For petes sake, WEAR A LID.
Post by: Lukewarm Wilson on December 08, 2005, 04:31:51 PM
Some people really do need Governments to tell them whats safe because they will do something stupid with no thought for theres or others saftey people have to get over this "i don't want to do what the Gov tells me its my choice" attitude most laws are there for a reason some maybe unjust but on the whole most laws are right like dont kill people, dont rob people etc.
Although  most will say it my responsibility i'll make the choice its not the same thing they say when there in hospital going through rehab etc its then comes the excuses, the road, cars, other bikes, drop bears etc all for something that could have been saved had they had the right gear on. Not saying all accidents are like that some are correct excuses but it always seems to be the shorts and Tshirt brigade that try to blame someone else for there injuries because they were excercising there right to be an idoit.
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Post by: 500rider on December 08, 2005, 04:33:21 PM
Quote from: nmredGlad your mum is ok. I for one am not a proponent of mandatory helmet laws. Which is due to the fact, I don't think we need the gov't telling us something is unsafe for it to be patently unsafe.  It's a matter of choosing what is your own level of safety. You want to ride sans helmet, it's your choice, but you assume all responsibility for your actions.  I for one think NOT wearing a helmet is dumb and I would never do it.

Still, I pray your mum will be ok.

Quote from: RVertigoYou know... I hate laws that protect us from ourselves... I don't think helmets should be LAW...

But, I'm gonna wear mine anyway.

I've thought about this too with respect to the seatbelt in the car.  Why should I have to wear a seatbelt if I don't want too?  It's my choice right?However, my car has an airbag so I always wear my seatbelt so the airbag doesn't kill me.

The flip side of this is that it does hurt other people if you don't wear your helmet/seatbelt.   Who do you think suffers if you are unable to work anymore, unable to eat except for that tube they stuck down your throat and unable to wipe yourself anymore ... your family.

..  and you know what?  People are dumbasses.  There is a surprisingly large number of us who have such bad judgement it takes a state law to keep us from killing ourselves.  Honestly.

Anyway ... it's good to see that no one here wants to ride without a helmet. :thumb:
Title: For petes sake, WEAR A LID.
Post by: scratch on December 08, 2005, 04:35:47 PM
I've been around since before there was a helmet law in California, and I prefer(ed) to ride around in a helmet. Now, for those who didn't have a choice (after the helmet law), they got used to wearing a helmet. And, you know what I say? "Get used to wearing a helmet." As for lifechanging events like having a helmet on when you crash, how about the lifechanging event of becoming a parent? If you didn't want to be a parent, you'd better wear that helmet...
Title: For petes sake, WEAR A LID.
Post by: kvgs on December 08, 2005, 04:38:36 PM
I live in Iowa it has no Helmet law
3/4 of my face is already rebuilt with titanium, I wear a helmet.
I crash with out one would'nt be pretty
Title: For petes sake, WEAR A LID.
Post by: 500rider on December 08, 2005, 04:52:36 PM
Quote from: jomei

One of their friends said.. "If its my time to go.. then well.. its my time to go.."

I don't want that time to come pre-emptive.

There's worse things that dying IMO.  I mean if I slammed into a Mack truck and died instantly, that wouldn't be a bad way to go at all.  However, living the rest of my life eating my lunch thru a tube and depending on a machine to do all my breathing would really suck.  

Maybe these idiots should think about someone else for a change.  The cost of keeping someone on life support for as long as they live could cost millions.  That would bankrupt almost any family even if there was insurance.  

At any rate ... there's no guarantee's in life.  You could be a responsible helmet ridin biker and still end up the same way.  I'm a believer in livin life and not necessarily avoiding everything that's not safe.  You don't have to be stupid about it though.
Title: For petes sake, WEAR A LID.
Post by: jbeaber on December 08, 2005, 05:05:52 PM
While I would never consider riding without one, people are entitled to their choice.  I do think that if they choose not to wear a helmet, they forfeit any rights to sue because they chose to be negligent with thier safety.  Same thing for bikes.  It drives me nuts to see people just going around town on their bicycles with no helmet.  Same risk.  Yeah, lower speed but still more than enough speed to kill, even tooling around town.  Drives me NUTS!
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Post by: Blueknyt on December 08, 2005, 07:17:00 PM
well, granted im bad about not wearing one the 3 small blocks to and from my corner store, but i also ride like everyone is out to kill me. specialy around my home hood.  the second im going on highway or more then 45 sec travel time the lid goes on.   im glad she made out ok, but if your folks are refuseing to protect themselves then tell them you refuse to ride with unsafe riders and that while they are filling out the forms for thier prepaid Funerals they should make out wills that leave everything to you. then toss their keys to them saying "Ride to live, End up dead"
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Post by: Alphamazing on December 08, 2005, 08:56:19 PM
Quote from: Blueknytthe second im going on highway or more then 45 sec travel time the lid goes on.

I was barely on my bike for 30 seconds when I crashed the '92. It was just a few locks away from my house, and had I not been wearing my helmet I would have died.
Title: For petes sake, WEAR A LID.
Post by: Blueknyt on December 09, 2005, 01:21:12 AM
it often happens within a mile from home, mostly do to the operators (car,bike what ever) unwittingly become conplacent (sp?) and comfortable in thier home turf.   im never conplacent, anywhere i go. could it happen, sure. but i do my damndest.
Title: For petes sake, WEAR A LID.
Post by: jomei on December 09, 2005, 05:45:20 AM
Well,

Thanks for the support guys. We will see how things go, they decided to keep her a day longer because she is having memory problems.

I have been riding for quite a long time. Over 10 years street biking, and over 17 in the dirt and street combined. I have wrecked pretty bad a couple times, dirt and street and every single time I was wearing my jar. For sure it saved me. I don't understand my rents though. They are not stupid people in the least. Both college educated, masters degrees etc... not to mention.. when I was little.. I saw them NOT wearing a helmet and fighting helmet law.. I thought helmet laws sucked until the point when I was about 14 years old, on the dirt and took a spill where 1 rider ran over my wrist (breaking it) after I went head first into a haybail and nearly got my mellon out of the way. They always MADE me wear a helmet. Now I think it would be a stupid idea not to. Why don't they follow their OWN policy.

I guess rents are rents. As I said before, people are people, they are going to do what they are going to do. You can not stop them in the end, you can only suggest. I just wish that the people we cared about would think not just of themselves, but of the people that they will hurt if they are injured.
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Post by: annguyen1981 on December 09, 2005, 08:54:55 AM
Helmets don't help much.  If someone hits you, your head isn't the only thing vulnerable.

But don't get me wrong... I always wear a helmet on my bike.  It's a religion.  (Plus it enables me to talk to pretty girls...  They don't see my ugly face)  :lol:
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Post by: pandy on December 09, 2005, 08:57:51 AM
jomei:

So sorry to hear about I love YOU's accident. I hope she decides that wearing a helmet is better than being in the hospital extra days. :(
Title: For petes sake, WEAR A LID.
Post by: jomei on December 09, 2005, 09:26:18 AM
thanks purple.. i mean pandy.. :)

annguyen1981:
while yes, it  will not prevent you from getting your arm or wrist run over (as happend to me) it WILL prevent stupid accidents like this which COULD have potentially killed her. If she was wearing a helmet, she would have just been dazed slightly and not have been knocked unconcious. As well, she would not have caused about 3k in damage to a custom bike from falling over limp when she went under if you want to look at it from a monitary stand point. Either or, I am just glad she is ok. The bike could have been shredded for all I care.
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Post by: pantablo on December 10, 2005, 01:23:30 AM
J-
glad shes still around!

funny thing, how it seems everyone on the 'net is discussing the merits of the 2 helmet articles done by Motorcyclist magazine...yet there are people who wont wear ANYTHING, and states that dont require it.
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Post by: LotN on December 10, 2005, 09:36:56 AM
It's a shame they seem to care more about what their friends think than about what their own child thinks.

What's the point of not wearing a helmet in Florida?  Don't you get bugs in your teeth?...
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Post by: jomei on December 10, 2005, 12:00:39 PM
Not really their friends... just what they believe.. they have always been into the "no helmet, rebel harley lifestyle".. i used to get the "ricerocket" jokes poked at me from them. once my dad got his busa though, that changed quite a bit.