I am now considering the Ducati 749 Testastretta as my next bike, I test rode the ducati monster 1000 we had for sale used at Barney's and LOVED it.
my first
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my current
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what I am seriously considering
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Why not just keep the ZX-6R?
I rode the vtwin and fell in love with the ducati, if i can get a trade off with less or even around $1000 loss range I would do it in a heartbeat
Get thee to a trackday! I see disposable income!
Quote from: scratchGet thee to a trackday! I see disposable income!
hehe, well i came to the realization that I4's just arent fun on the street due to having to ride them in the high rpms just to get the power, there is no happy medium inbetween, my power commander helped a bit with some low end beef, but its not enough, the ducati monster i drove around proved that vtwins do have more fun around town much similar to the saying "blondes do it best"
Hey, wait a minute. Arent you the "help save me give me money I am broke" college kid?
Quote from: jomeiHey, wait a minute. Arent you the "help save me give me money I am broke" college kid?
No, that's me. Want to help me fix my bike? Money is always nice. I'm so poor :(
Hey man
I have to tell you that, the monster and the 4v superbikes have alot different power. Not that a ducati can have power in a bad way, my moms 620 is still a blast with the torque, but the 4v's have more up top than the monster you rode. Also the 748 is NOT a fun bike to have around town especially if its hot, but it can be bearable. The 749 is a little better ergonomically. I really like my 998, but if you are gonna do it, try for a 749, the testastretta motor is better. Also ebay 996's can be had for much lower prices lately, you may wanna look at some of those if you want a superbike.
If it were me I would get a 2v monster 1000 or 900. This is the bike you fell in love with, and it is exactly what you felt when you rode it, its got less power too. I LOVE my monster. I've had a hiatus with it lately, and got it back yesterday, its so much fun though, so light, and it handles great, and sounds, mmmmmm. thats just me though, if you are gonna do it, go for the 900 or 1000 in the 2v arena, or a superbike. The superbikes belong on the track. But they are gorgeous and attact alot of attention, and do so with some wrist hurting. I'd say spring for a monster. Keep in mind also that they have faired bikes called the SS, that also have the 2v motor in them.
If you have any more questions, feel free to give me a buzz. Also the monster line is a BLAST to modify. I've done a ton.
Patrick
O yeah, your ZX-6R isn't that far behind my 998, I would keep the ZX-6 as a tracker if possible.
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Hah.. he took it down.
Quote from: jomeiHey, wait a minute. Arent you the "help save me give me money I am broke" college kid?
I kind of wondered about that, too! ;)
it was a practical joke website designed to mock savetoby.com
helped me develop my web skills as well.
well if i got the ducati monster i wouldnt need much money
2003 Ducati Monster 1000...$5800
if i sprang for the 748 I would need around $1000 more
With 4-valve Ducs, the purchase price is the easy part.
he get's employee discount i think.
btw, I was thinking the other day. with so many dudes (and girls too) 'moving' to bigger bikes (some complex?), what would you say the GS would be when compared to a car?
for example, is the GS the equivalent to a toyota camry? or to something better? how about the suzuki 650... would that be like an imprezza?
I once did the calculation after I dynoed my '04 F, and with me on it, it has the same hp/weight ratio as an E36 M3 (and that was using crank hp and dry weight for the M3).
so how does the L-twin engine compare to a V-twin throughout ducati's lineup, how do they ride?
so a 05 GSF would be the equivalent of driving something better than a subaru imprezza? :o
I think people don't appreciate quite how fast a "slow" bike is...
As long as you're willing to rev it.
4600mi on a 05GSF, and I still haven't 'touched' the 9000rpm's. 8)
As a new rider I am still amazed how fast a 'beginner' bike can be... our lowly what? 40hp/26lbs of torque (or whatever it is) will do about the same in the 1/4 as my old LT1 Camaro... and that was one fast car.
The starter bike sure has kick in it. 100% stock mine maxed at 188 km, even w/ the speed reading high it's much faster than anywhere in North America you're allowed to go.
And also, Duc are expensive for sure, but also hold value. I was looking at getting a 749, but then thought better of it because I need more experience, but one thing that lead me to the bike was my insurance on it was only 40$ more a year than a SV 650 (both new.)
At least w/ my insurance company they're classified as a sport touring form some reason, although the guy said sometimes they make mistakes and the prices goes through the roof the next year so I was very afraid of that as well.
Just my input.
Quote from: '04gs500fit was a practical joke website designed to mock savetoby.com
helped me develop my web skills as well.
well if i got the ducati monster i wouldnt need much money
2003 Ducati Monster 1000...$5800
if i sprang for the 748 I would need around $1000 more
the monster is a somewhat cumbersome ride. gratned it is a sexy ride, i dont think i would shell out the cash for one. the 748 is a sweet bike, but i wouldnt get one for street use- they are terribly uncomfortable and like mentioned run extremely hot. be prepared to burn your nutts off during the summer time. btw dont forget about maitntinance. ducatis well, are fookin expensive- all part of the italian charm i guess. get an sv650s...it is an all around perfect bike. or keep your zx6r. i put almost 100k miles on mine combined and loved them very much. the 600 powerband is a blast once you get it down.
is it just me, or do new riders are quickly 'escalating' to bigger, more powerful bikes? (and more likely terminate their lives soon).
what is it about moving to a faster bike? I mean, is not like the Highway is the place for racing... and yes, there are 'track days'... but how often? not once a week I bet.
i still don't understand why increasing your chances of splatting your brains all over the place (i know, i know. we use helmets). is it because 'my friend has a bigger bike than me'? or maybe 'i can pick more girls/guys with a bigger bike'?
very confused :dunno:
People buy things they can't afford, or don't want, to impress people they do or don't like.
Peer pressure is the biggest seller.
People are going to buy what they want to buy. I think in most cases it matters little what people read online even when they solicit advice. If they've got their heart set on something, it's game over.
My last attempt at giving advice..
http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44647
Although I'll have to admit that a big reason for me buying the GS was this forum. No regrets though, except perhaps that I shouldn't have bought it new.
here's my advice for those feeling 'big' enough to upgrade to a not so 'underpowered' bike.
if you commute some 10 minutes on freeway, then you are all set. all you have to do is find the slowest car on the road (at safest speed), and just follow behind. let all those crappy cars pass you, and even the trucks.
ride like this all the way from beginning to end.
then, repeat twice more on consecutive days. if you can (truly) handle that task without a problem, then I bet is safe to 'upgrade' your bike. you should be fine.
if your urge is too strong to keep you from opening the throtle, then you better downgrade to a 250 or something. is for your own good.
that's my advice anyway. I do practice such a procedure at least once or twice a week.
you guys should stop baggin on people who want to upgrade. its like a personal attack or something. How about we instead give them kudo's for starting on a gs in the first place. many people, myself included look at the gs500 as a starting point.
whether an individual is ready to upgrade when they do...well, we're all going to have opinions on that and will likely depend on the rider upgrading.
I've got 100hp at the rear wheel. do I use it. YES. matter of fact there are lots of roads in these parts where I can let the bike breathe. Not trackday fast but much faster than the gs. AND with more stable handling, better tires, more creature comforts (wind protection), better brakes, blah, blah. nothing wrong with that. in fact, nothing wrong with buying a 999 or a RC51 just to commute if it brings pleasure to the rider, in owning and riding that particular bike.
I dont think upgrading has anything to do with being 'big' enough. if that were the case, they'd have bought the liter bike straight away and skipped the gs. some people feel they 'outgrow' the gs in months. I think thats not possible. I also think its completely alright if someone grows into the desire to have a better bike.
I routinely drive like subc suggests, I find mysel more relaxed when I get to work and when I get home, but then I'm old.
I also agree with Pablo not to bag on people, but to simply suggest keeping the bike a little longer, if needed.
i'm sorry if anyone feels I'm bagging on them, but that's not the case. this is not the only forum i visit, so my comments go to no one in particular. Giving advice it's just my natural reaction after reading so many guys and girls (not just here of course) having the urge to upgrade soon.
Then again, if you have the money, and already made up your mind about the bike you 'need', then it doesn't matter what people say or how many advices you read, because if you really want something, you are only going to read (as in: agree with) those comments that agree with your desicion. So go for it then.
After all, what's my advice worth, right? with only 4500mi on me I'm still a newb when it comes to motorcycle riding, so I can't possibly offer anything that's useful I guess.
good luck on your new bike.
Quote from: subcis it just me, or do new riders are quickly 'escalating' to bigger, more powerful bikes? (and more likely terminate their lives soon).
what is it about moving to a faster bike? I mean, is not like the Highway is the place for racing... and yes, there are 'track days'... but how often? not once a week I bet.
i still don't understand why increasing your chances of splatting your brains all over the place (i know, i know. we use helmets). is it because 'my friend has a bigger bike than me'? or maybe 'i can pick more girls/guys with a bigger bike'?
very confused :dunno:
?? lol the duc 748 will be a different riding style but as far as hp goes it wont be an up from my 636 by much, ive been riding for three quarters of a year and am very reserved on the street and have handled my zx6r very well. I am an employee at Barney's of Brandon, I know a squid when I see someone who never drove a bike before buying a liter bike.
ive ridden everything from ducati monsters to gsxr 1000s.
I am very aware of my noobiness and I think that helps me in my reserved street riding. I do know how to handle my machine in a proper, safe and efficient manner.
Please don't judge character or attempt to predict someones future who decides they want a different bike, take note its not like me upgrading to an inline 4 750, the way the bike puts out power is much different.
ps kudos to my good friend Pablo ... expect a PM soon about your yosh cap
on a side not im not mad at anyone here
I still hang around on the GS forums for a reason
because the kawiforums contain very few people with the wisdom I have come to find from the riders here.
I just don't like to be spoken to in such a manner when I have done a great job ( i believe) in learning to ride on the street and simply wanted to try an exotic sport bike that will put out THE SAME HORSE POWER give or take a few horses ;) as the bike I am currently on with the exception that the vtwins ride different and the new 749s are Ltwins.
anywho enough ranting, I had already decided to keep my ZX-6R before any thoughtless and rude posts had been made here :mrgreen: :cheers:
much love
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The ducati breaking down issue is NOT a myth. I've got a good friend who has a 05 999 and that thing has TONS of problems. Don't get me wrong, it's a damn sexy bike... but it honestly has too many problems to be an 'only' bike.
IMO I would get a duc as a second bike.. never as my only. Then again, I ride my bike everywhere
Hey man,
You don't have to spend that kind of cash to get a fun bike. If you have another G to drop, then drop it on a beater. Build something with your bare hands. Get an XS650 Thumper and rip it up, pick up an older CB. Get a 1968 DUC. Make a cafe racer or a street tracker. Produce something original. ;) Thats what I prefer. Anyone can go out and buy a liter bike and turn heads or make people go ooooo. I think there is something to be said though, about dumping $100 into a piece of junk and turning it into an original, personal, work of art. Thats why I bought the seca... thats why I have two other beaters. They are evolving into something original and totally different then they were.
Don't have to go fast to have fun. ;D
Quote from: jomeiHey man,
You don't have to spend that kind of cash to get a fun bike. If you have another G to drop, then drop it on a beater. Build something with your bare hands. Get an XS650 Thumper and rip it up, pick up an older CB. Get a 1968 DUC. Make a cafe racer or a street tracker. Produce something original. ;) Thats what I prefer. Anyone can go out and buy a liter bike and turn heads or make people go ooooo. I think there is something to be said though, about dumping $100 into a piece of junk and turning it into an original, personal, work of art. Thats why I bought the seca... thats why I have two other beaters. They are evolving into something original and totally different then they were.
Don't have to go fast to have fun. ;D
as insightful as I find your post, I have an affinity to the later Ducatis, I don't mind fixing things up, but its very very hard to find a newer ducati beater that has a clean title note:florida DOES NOT issue rebuilt titles so that is not an option. We all have fun in our own ways, I was aiming for the ducatis for the vtwin with the "added beauty" and was looking to trade at little to no cost, we all have different interests...i personally have little to zero attraction to anything retro looking or cruiserish or whatever, i liked the ducatis because they looked complicated and have extreme detail in every aspect about them and sport the unique and fun around town vtwin motor. my interest in ducatis had nothing to do with displacement at all hence my interest in the 748 which puts out around the same horsepower as my bike but in a different manner.
Side note, I have fun with my ZX6R by doing all of my own mechanic work
and I do plan to tear down my 6r and rebuild her when the time comes...
Quote from: subcThen again, if you have the money, and already made up your mind about the bike you 'need', then it doesn't matter what people say or how many advices you read, because if you really want something, you are only going to read (as in: agree with) those comments that agree with your desicion. So go for it then.
After all, what's my advice worth, right?
subc,
dont take what I say the wrong way. After reading comments like yours, directed at no one in particular, I feel you're being judgemental of people who choose to upgrade earlier than you think they should. I've learned from counseling new riders about first bikes that you just have to let that go and simply try giving them the right info. And also you have to take into consideration how different everyone is-some might be ready for a bigger bike (and want a bigger bike) within 6-12 months. Some should never move up...
Your advice is valuable, as is everyone's here. It is so primarily because it is based on your personal experience and that is valuable to pass along. Having said that, its best expressed without judgement.
Quote from: subcis it just me, or do new riders are quickly 'escalating' to bigger, more powerful bikes? (and more likely terminate their lives soon).
what is it about moving to a faster bike? I mean, is not like the Highway is the place for racing... and yes, there are 'track days'... but how often? not once a week I bet.
i still don't understand why increasing your chances of splatting your brains all over the place (i know, i know. we use helmets). is it because 'my friend has a bigger bike than me'? or maybe 'i can pick more girls/guys with a bigger bike'?
very confused :dunno:
Just because a bike can go 150Mph does not mean thats how fast you
need to go. Sure, lots of power can get you in trouble, but then we start talking about the riders judgement as well. There are plenty of people who start out on 600cc I4's and do just fine, and we all know that others wad the same bike up the first week they own it. I have rode the GS for awhile now and frankly I want a bigger bike. The SV1K will be better suited to the type of riding I do IMO. I like the looks and sound of it, the aftermarket upgrades available, and I can afford it. I have done tons of research on it and feel I will be happy with it, in the end that is what really matters to me, I will be happy...life is too short not to be.
Ducati's being unreliable IS a myth. I have a friend, no wait, I have my own, 2 in fact, Ducati's and neither SBK or monster give me problems, in the 4 years since I've owned one. This isn't the first time I've seen this come up, and I usually keep my mouth shut, but please don't flame just because you don't know. I hope I don't come across the wrong way, I am just very passionate about these bikes, just as I am my GS, and would like to turn some of this kind of stuff around. I advocate for the GS just like I do my other bikes.
So now, you all have first hand experience from someone who owns one, about Ducati's. Please use it next time you post.
I only wish that Ducati had the reliability of a Jap bike, but they don't, they are built on a much smaller scale then any of the Jap bikes. They have also gotten alot of their quality control issues under control in the last decade.
If you still don't believe please visit this post http://www.ducatimonster.org/smf/index.php/topic,35814.0.html
Also, as has been said, I always try to point people to the GS, or similar bikes as a starter bike. Once they get their first drop down, and bike controls down on these types of bikes, than I believe they can move to whatever they wish, if at all. Not everyone feels the way we do about the GS, but kudos to them if they at least bought the smart rational bike to begin with. If you have self control over one of the 4 limbs on your body used to help control the bike, then everything else about a big bike is just a enhancement. Just my two pennies.
Patrick
I never said they're unreliable; I said they're expensive to maintain. My brother's getting an ST2 so that he can do the services himself that cost ~$1200 at the dealer.
There was a guy on the FZ1 board that bought an S4R and sold it within a few months because it broke down so much. Too many problems.
I think it is laughable the number of people that freak out when someone mentions getting a bigger bike.
I'd be that 98% of the bikes on the road have a displacement of greater than 500cc. Most riders seem to do fine on these bikes. It is possible to survive on a bike that is faster than a 500.
You're right. It is odd. I wonder how many of you are going to freak out when I upgrade to a bigger bike next year :lol: (if I've got the money, of course).
I wonder if the 250cc guys get all worked up when one of theirs mentions they want to move up to a 500cc? :P
500cc???? You'll shoot your eye out!
Or there is the "if you are riding a SS bike, then you must have a little wee wee and your compensating factor."
Then where is the "non-compensating factor"? If you ride a 250 Rebel does that mean you have a huge wee wee?
Give me a break.
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I've got 100hp at the rear wheel. do I use it. YES. matter of fact there are lots of roads in these parts where I can let the bike breathe. Not trackday fast but much faster than the gs. AND with more stable handling, better tires, more creature comforts (wind protection), better brakes, blah, blah. nothing wrong with that. in fact, nothing wrong with buying a 999 or a RC51 just to commute if it brings pleasure to the rider, in owning and riding that particular bike.
great reason i want to upgrade myself....i try my best to get the gs go fast on the track...however, in addition to being a relatively new track rider, im just not confident with it....fork travel way too far, brakes are weak, lurching throttle, cluncky clutch...yes i can buy aftermarket stuff to correct it but im not that good at wrenching and cant pay a mech to do it...all i can do i think for the future is get stickier tires and save for the 675... :mrgreen:
Quote from: my_celica_is_jealousi want to upgrade myself....i try my best to get the gs go fast on the track...however, in addition to being a relatively new track rider, im just not confident with it....
the best time to upgrade is when you KNOW that you are a better rider than the bike. Your confidence should go up on the gs before you upgrade...lots of time (and trackdays) between now and the 675 though...
when at the track, work on your technique-particularly on being a smooth rider. being smooth goes a long way toward a better, faster ride round the track even with the crap suspension.
Quote from: Jake DIf you ride a 250 Rebel does that mean you have a huge wee wee?
Ooh, I like it. I'm willing to investigate.
Quote from: Jake D500cc???? You'll shoot your eye out!
Or there is the "if you are riding a SS bike, then you must have a little wee wee and your compensating factor."
Then where is the "non-compensating factor"? If you ride a 250 Rebel does that mean you have a huge wee wee?
Give me a break.
:lol: :lol:
Quote from: Jake DI think it is laughable the number of people that freak out when someone mentions getting a bigger bike.
I'd be that 98% of the bikes on the road have a displacement of greater than 500cc. Most riders seem to do fine on these bikes. It is possible to survive on a bike that is faster than a 500.
Has anyone considered that bikes with quicker accelleration might actually be safer, once you get basic rider incompetence out of the way?
I would submit that having instant access to accelleration is safer for travelling on high speed, high density highways. I mean, riding a motorcycle in highway traffic is not at all like driving a car. In the car, you're maintaining constant speed, going with the flow, and pretty much hanging out where you are. On a motorcycle, you're more actively transitioning through traffic, staying out of blind spots (and accellerating through them), and moving out of harms way (or into a more visible position) all the time. Even maintaining a 2 second safety zone ahead demands constant adjustment to reposition in traffic, since that's enough space for two cars to fit ahead of you.
While it's somewhat foolish to think that anyone needs the ability to go 150+mph on public roads, I submit that the ability to go from 60-ish to 80-ish (and back down) in a big hurry is a useful safety feature--like when the knuckehead next to you decides he wants to be in your lane and you need to squirt out of there. Of course, doing so requires some level of competency on the rider's part, since that same power can be dangerous if used incorrectly (or gratuitously). By "competency" I mean the basic ability to control the speed and direction of the motorcycle while keeping the front wheel on the pavement and keeping the brakes from locking up.
I'm not saying that the GS doesn't have enough power or accelleration to be capable in traffic. There have only been a few times when I've put the spurs to it and wished it had a little bit more giddyup. Rider technique? Perhaps...but even in the power band the GS seems to take its time accellerating from 85...and when you're trying to clear out a space for a car that's determined to fit (whether or not you're still there) it seems to take even longer.
I will say with some conviction that being alongside a semi, eye-to-eye with its turn signal when it starts flashing will get your heart going a bit...and make you wish you had a lot more surplus torque in your back pocket.
I'm not planning on going bigger any time soon...but I will make a point to weasel some seat time on my brother-in-law's F4i next spring...mostly to see if forgoing the economy and simplicity of the gs for an I4 is something worth considering (eventually).
The GS has never let me down when it comes to getting out of trouble. As I've said before, the GS has the hp/weight of a very fast car.
Just from reading, it sounds like the incidents of misapplication of throttle are the most common thing to worry about as a novice on a bike, and that's where a high-hp or high-torque bike will take you down fast. Where's that vid of the guy leaving the dealership...?
I do think about that video when this subject comes up. I agree that it took NOTHING for that guy to highside that liter bike. Scary, but does that mean that will actually happen? Was that guy just a total squid? I mean, how much gas do you have to give a liter bike with cold tires to get it sideways and high sided?
:dunno:
At some point you just gotta say "I will survive. I will survive. Yeah, yeeaaaah."
Quote from: RoadstergalThe GS has never let me down when it comes to getting out of trouble. As I've said before, the GS has the hp/weight of a very fast car.
No doubt. Like I said, I'm not down on the GS, I was just saying that there are some situations that would benefit from having surplus power in abundance (assuming that one has basic control over that power). Compare the GS to a car all you want, but my point was that motorcycles and cars have different needs in high speed, high density traffic. The difference being that in a car it is less likely that a.) someone will not see you and pull into your lane and b.) this will kill you. I rarely feel like I need to "get the #@&% out of here before I get squished" in my car...but I get that feeling on the motorcycle every time I move near/through someone's blind spot.
Quote from: RoadstergalJust from reading, it sounds like the incidents of misapplication of throttle are the most common thing to worry about as a novice on a bike, and that's where a high-hp or high-torque bike will take you down fast. Where's that vid of the guy leaving the dealership...?
Agreed, so add to the definition of competency: "awareness that the throttle is not an 'on/off' switch." I'm not saying that everyone [anyone?] should start on a 100+hp bike as a novice, but (as was pointed out in this thread) there is a signficant "600cc's will kill you" or "no one needs that much power unless you're at the track" or "you aren't ready for an I4 until you can drag your elbows at will" mentality whenever someone talks about upsizing their GS that seems pretty unfounded.
Perhaps I'm being a knucklehead, but I would think that--assuming a competent rider--a modern 600cc bike would technically be 'safer' than a GS (more responsive on the throttle, better suspension, larger tire contact patch, more effective brakes, etc.) in similar conditions.
Once again, I'm not crapping on the GS (I love mine, really!), and there are plenty of reasons to not want to upsize (simplicity, economy, durability, insurance, etc.)...but it's not magic, it doesn't cure incompetence...it just lets you get away with it for a little while longer.
Quote from: Jake DI do think about that video when this subject comes up. I agree that it took NOTHING for that guy to highside that liter bike. Scary, but does that mean that will actually happen? Was that guy just a total squid? I mean, how much gas do you have to give a liter bike with cold tires to get it sideways and high sided?
Also scary: how many people think they can't do that with a GS?
Quote from: pantabloQuote from: my_celica_is_jealousi want to upgrade myself....i try my best to get the gs go fast on the track...however, in addition to being a relatively new track rider, im just not confident with it....
the best time to upgrade is when you KNOW that you are a better rider than the bike. Your confidence should go up on the gs before you upgrade...lots of time (and trackdays) between now and the 675 though...
when at the track, work on your technique-particularly on being a smooth rider. being smooth goes a long way toward a better, faster ride round the track even with the crap suspension.
for sure....im just fantasizing how those bike (according to magazines) falls through turns.....JCH told me the same thing in SOW....that i can lean the bike more than i am leaning it right now....JCH looks far more confident on his SV....
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You's gotta get off the bike. I can't tell for sure, but are the balls of your feet on your pegs? It makes a world of difference. However, take anything I say with a word of warning. I'm no pro, and I've crashed both my GSes now. You're looking through the turn very well, though.
Smoothly lift your butt off the seat and slide it over a ways when you're about to enter a turn. Dip your shoulder in and pivot yourself around the tank and lean into the turn. You can do this on the street to some extent if you want to get the feeling of how it feels to move around on the bike. Before you enter a turn, move your body to the inside and a bit off the bike. If you know anyone who's a track day junkie, see if you can get them to ride with you and give you pointers.
The bike will lean until it scrapes hard bits. Hanging off is a way to increase the cornering speed without scraping hard bits.
I asked my Harley-owning labmate if big bikes make a small pee pee bigger. He said no, they make a big gut look smaller.
Quote from: my_celica_is_jealousthat i can lean the bike more than i am leaning it right now....JCH looks far more confident on his SV....
Well, I think you look great on the track, and your purple GS is soooo purdy!!!!! :thumb: