I've seen a good bit of pics of bikes with the exhausts taped off. 1. what does this do for it besides hold the heat in. 2. what kind of tape is used and where do you get it?
Quote from: hhgsm31 on February 23, 2006, 04:29:35 PM
I've seen a good bit of pics of bikes with the exhausts taped off. 1. what does this do for it besides hold the heat in. 2. what kind of tape is used and where do you get it?
If you tape the bike from the header all the way back to the muffler, it will aid in exhaust flow and add HP, although in the case of a GS, it is a moot point. It will also cause the pipes to rust quite quickly if the bike is ridden in the rain. On my street GS, I did it to reduce how much heat came off of the pipe, to reduce the chance of getting burned on it, and to reduce how much heat got under the seat.
I bought mine at lockhart phillips.
(http://www.fototime.com/7F297F02B140AEA/orig.jpg)
Jeesh...you have some low handlebars, and those are the coolest rear brake rotors I've ever seen.
D-Day, everytime you post that pic, it makes me want to paint my gs rims :icon_mrgreen:
Quote from: skoebl on February 23, 2006, 06:33:15 PM
Jeesh...you have some low handlebars, and those are the coolest rear brake rotors I've ever seen.
I commented on that rear rotor brefore too. I've never seen on like it for the GS. although they do have these ones on eBay
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4612303291&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT
and a pic for the people too lazy to click
(http://i5.ebayimg.com/03/i/06/39/a5/52_1.JPG)
these are really nice, I'd like to get one, well actually two, one for the front and back, but I've got alot of other things higher up on the list to get first.
Wow, where was that glafer rotor when i bought my ugly ass EBC rear rotor?? That looks awesome
Quote from: budget speed demon on February 23, 2006, 07:17:01 PM
Quote from: skoebl on February 23, 2006, 06:33:15 PM
Jeesh...you have some low handlebars, and those are the coolest rear brake rotors I've ever seen.
I commented on that rear rotor brefore too. I've never seen on like it for the GS. although they do have these ones on eBay
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4612303291&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT
and a pic for the people too lazy to click
(http://i5.ebayimg.com/03/i/06/39/a5/52_1.JPG)
The rotor was cut on a water jet. The guy charged me $75 plus shipping. It started life out as a stock GS rotor.
these are really nice, I'd like to get one, well actually two, one for the front and back, but I've got alot of other things higher up on the list to get first.
Quote from: hhgsm31 on February 23, 2006, 04:29:35 PM
I've seen a good bit of pics of bikes with the exhausts taped off. 1. what does this do for it besides hold the heat in...
Another possible benefit for those with stock front fenders is reduction in the chances of the dreaded
FMS - Fender Melt Syndrome.
This has been reported here in several posts and I have an ebay fender with minor evidence of melting.
FYI! :)
Quote from: subc on February 23, 2006, 06:35:52 PM
D-Day, everytime you post that pic, it makes me want to paint my gs rims :icon_mrgreen:
Powdercoated. Near Silver with a translucent blue top coat. $100 for both wheels with stripping and priming.
Quote from: skoebl on February 23, 2006, 06:33:15 PM
Jeesh...you have some low handlebars, and those are the coolest rear brake rotors I've ever seen.
I set up every bike I own with the lowest handlebars I can put on them. I have a bad back, and by putting more wieght on my hands, I can take the pressure off of my back. I have put 500 mile days on this bike. My second bike, a 1977 BMW RS that I bought new and put over 100,000 miles on the first 5 years I owned it (still own it and it is over 200,000 miles now) had really low bars. I got used to the position, and it is perfect for me now. Here is my idea of touring bars. (Have done many 1,000 mile days on this bike.)
(http://www.fototime.com/9D626509A357087/standard.jpg)
BTW, these are stock factory bars.
Ok back to the topic. In theory if the exhaust gasses are kept hotter (i.e. higher pressure) as they leave the cylinder, they excavate faster which leads to better breathing for the engine. Faster exhaust equals faster intake equals better performance. The other thing is the engine looses heat thru it s exhaust pipes also so if you wrap them you will modify the temp the engine is designed to work.(hotter temp and holds heat longer). If thats true, then it is the worst thing on air cooled bikes. Any ideas? I have my red heat tape, but I want to know more, before I start wraping the tape.
I also want to wrap so I'm In for more info!!! :thumb:
Ignore any temperature changes to the engine caused by wrapping the exhaust - you wouldn't notice anything significant. The absolute biggest concern is that your headers will rot away from rust before your engine would come close to overheating.
+1 Resist the temptation!
1. You will get NO NOTICEABLE performance increase.
2. You Exhaust WILL rust quickly.
3. It will look TACKY.
So WHY do it?
I understand, that performance increase is marginal. Rust? I have seen pipes under tape about 2 years, and basically no rust (oil cooled bike). My logic says if oli cooled bike had no rust, then why air cooled should have? The only concern is engine overheating. Has anyone tried it on air cooled engine, or all replies are theoretical? I want that tacky look :icon_lol:
Thanks
You mean water cooled? vs aircooled?
All internal combustion engines are oiled cooled to some extent.
GS500 F does have oil cooler..but is basically an air cooled motor, with oil cooling as all engines have..
Rust on the pipes will be caused by moisture being trapped between the wrap and the pipes..
This will happen on any bike.....in fact any piece of iron based metal, steel etc..
I suppose if you ride a lot to drive moisture out, and don't ride in rain ever, and keep bike in dry garage, you might not get rust...
If you like that wrapped pipe look....go for it...looks is all you're going to get..
Cookie
Quote from: Shemagh on November 05, 2014, 08:38:36 AM
I understand, that performance increase is marginal. Rust? I have seen pipes under tape about 2 years, and basically no rust (oil cooled bike). My logic says if oli cooled bike had no rust, then why air cooled should have? The only concern is engine overheating. Has anyone tried it on air cooled engine, or all replies are theoretical? I want that tacky look :icon_lol:
Thanks
Can always use stove paint on the exhaust to combat our bikes love for rust, then wrap it, i wrapped the expansion chamber on my goped once, for giggles, looked like a hornets nest was following lol
Quote from: Shemagh on November 05, 2014, 08:38:36 AM
I understand, that performance increase is marginal. Rust? I have seen pipes under tape about 2 years, and basically no rust (oil cooled bike). My logic says if oli cooled bike had no rust, then why air cooled should have? The only concern is engine overheating. Has anyone tried it on air cooled engine, or all replies are theoretical? I want that tacky look :icon_lol:
Thanks
I don't understand... how the engine is cooled has zero effect on rusty headers.
If you saw an exhaust that was wrapped for 2 years and DIDN'T have any rust, there would be some other factors going on. I'd say they were either stainless headers or powder coated, with fiberglass wrap over top.
True. To me rust was of minimal concern on the exhaust of our beloved sewing machine err gs500, used stove paint on mine. But for the most part rust issues i had were more pronounced on the hardware and chain versus the exhaust. Id pull up the frankenbike thread from 03 but the pics were hosted on a site ive forgotten about so no way to show it. Tbh i think it was uploadit.org
theres products out there thats suppose to keep headers from rusting, but mostly for cars, where they rarely get wet/see the outdoors.. so idk.
I've actually been working on the stock headers, removing all the outer rust. there's these ugly weld spots on the inside right where they connect to the top end.
(http://i59.tinypic.com/348g2dj.jpg)
been thinking about grinding those away.. bet removing those would give you a better flow-rate then wrapping exhaust.
also has anyone noticed there's a baffle on the inside where the two pipes connect to each other at that Y connection? I wonder what that's all about.. lol
also where the header wraps around the bike, those bends, the headers are slightly kinked there, and my headers haven't ever been damaged, way to go suzuki! you had one job!
.... better flow rate? ... I recognise the reference.... but at this engine size and power level? (Or lack thereof) .. this is tractor tech bike! .. not F1! ! ;)
Quote from: Janx101 on November 07, 2014, 05:35:04 PM
.... better flow rate? ... I recognise the reference.... but at this engine size and power level? (Or lack thereof) .. this is tractor tech bike! .. not F1! ! ;)
SAY THAT TO MY FACE WHEN I'M RUNNING 22,000 RPM TURBOCHARGED GS500!
best lawn mower ever...!
[btw, please don't take that serious]
we all know that lawn mower honda did with their RC51 engine, is the best lawn mower ever....
Lol. .. if you can get a gs500 motor balanced/setup well enough to run 22k I will howl your name to the moon and stars! Heheheh! ... then ask you if I can take it around the burbs for a spin! :D
Quote from: Janx101 on November 08, 2014, 03:08:40 PM
Lol. .. if you can get a gs500 motor balanced/setup well enough to run 22k I will howl your name to the moon and stars! Heheheh! ... then ask you if I can take it around the burbs for a spin! :D
I wonder what that would sound like.... :cookoo:
if only I had a few grand to blow, and a full blown machine shop at my finger tips..
Well, the weather is warmer now in Estonia, no more snow. So I wrapped my pipes and here is the result. The bike is making some weird low blobbing sound, but it´s kinda cool. No noticeable increase in performance, but the engine is warming up faster. Yesterday was about 3 degrees in celsius and I needed choke about 3 minutes. Since my bike was in cold garage about 5 months and yesterday was the first time, when I started it since last october, I´m kinda impressed. Ok, now the bad side. I have my bike in black and red, so I bought red tape. First I painted my exhaust wiht heat resistance paint(just in case) and then I wrapped it. When the engine had worked about 5 minutes between 1000 and 1500 rpm, this was the result.Tape close to the engine was smoking and it burned to brown. So much my red heat tape. But still, I like it. (http://i57.tinypic.com/10ojud0.jpg)(http://i60.tinypic.com/kdwxsw.jpg)(http://i58.tinypic.com/28hg2tl.jpg)
The heat wrap always smokes off and discolours when first heated up! .. and the vht paint needs to be ideally cooked off before tape also. But never mind, won't hurt now.
You might get some rust and dirt buildup underneath after some time though
Yep, guaranteed to A: Rust your exhaust pipes, and B: look shitty! :icon_mrgreen:
his bike says "I've been through some sh*t" but his tires say "I'm a daily rider..." I'm honestly confused.... lmao
Ok, im feeling kinda dumb at the moment, but I don´t understand the last one :D
Quote from: D-Day on February 23, 2006, 05:17:20 PM
Quote from: hhgsm31 on February 23, 2006, 04:29:35 PM
I've seen a good bit of pics of bikes with the exhausts taped off. 1. what does this do for it besides hold the heat in. 2. what kind of tape is used and where do you get it?
If you tape the bike from the header all the way back to the muffler, it will aid in exhaust flow and add HP, although in the case of a GS, it is a moot point. It will also cause the pipes to rust quite quickly if the bike is ridden in the rain. On my street GS, I did it to reduce how much heat came off of the pipe, to reduce the chance of getting burned on it, and to reduce how much heat got under the seat.
I bought mine at lockhart phillips.
(http://www.fototime.com/7F297F02B140AEA/orig.jpg)
Oh dear. This is a complete fallacy!!! Point us to the research that there is any HP gain. All wrapping does is prematurely rust your exhaust system.
As I say, point us to credible research.
I wouldn't wrap steel headers on pipes exposed to elements unless u live in arizona or somewhere real dry. Ti or stainless pipes then no problem. Unless you want the "look", but be prepared for the "rust-out".
I have a GS500F and was considering getting the VH header ceramic coated, mostly to protect the fairings as opposed to squeezing all I can from the motor.