hey guys, i just put new turn signal's on the rear and the front. When i start the bike, and click the buttom they just come on and stay on they won't blink, either side. what could be wrong. Either the front or back ones will blink
thanks
You put on LEDs, which aren't a direct bolt-on for our bikes. Go back to bulbs to fix it; LEDs are a huge pain to get to work correctly.
nope there not LED'S. I can't remember the name of them. Just a cheap set. first I only put new ones on the rear, and left the stock ones on the front. Then i picked up another 2 for the front and put them on. now they won't blink. What's wrong grrrr.
Quote from: jefferygs500 on March 28, 2006, 06:31:40 PM
............................ What's wrong grrrr.
Maybe the new turn signals use a different bulb than the standard OEM bulb. A significantly higher or lower resistance will affect the circuit operation.
What is the number on the bulb?
:cheers:
LED signals won't work right? I just bought a pair similar to these and will get them friday.http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/sb3-LED-aftermarket-universal-motorcycle-turn-signals_W0QQitemZ4604070671QQcategoryZ35598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
are they staying on indefinitely, or just blinking very slowly? If your signals pull less power, they will flash more slowly unless you change the relay.
Quote from: porsche4786 on March 28, 2006, 08:11:46 PM
LED signals won't work right? I just bought a pair similar to these and will get them friday.http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/sb3-LED-aftermarket-universal-motorcycle-turn-signals_W0QQitemZ4604070671QQcategoryZ35598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
You'll need a relay or an extra resistor wired in so that they'll blink at the correct rate.
This brings up a good question I've been meaning to ask: what makes a system ready for LEDs? I got an R6 taillight and have pretty much scrapped working with it because of the problems with adding LEDs to our system.
So yeah, what is different in the systems? Why will an SVS accept them but our bike doesn't?
It must have to do with the flasher on the GS.
Maybe swaping it out would do it... Who knows.
Quote from: RVertigo on March 29, 2006, 12:13:29 AM
It must have to do with the flasher on the GS.
Maybe swaping it out would do it... Who knows.
I see...
Well, who's gonna try this? There are some genii here when it comes to this, so if someone could figure it out a lot of people would be happy. Who wants to mess around with it?
Quote from: 2005-GS500-PDX on March 29, 2006, 12:20:37 AM
Quote from: RVertigo on March 29, 2006, 12:13:29 AM
It must have to do with the flasher on the GS.
Maybe swaping it out would do it... Who knows.
I see...
Well, who's gonna try this? There are some genii here when it comes to this, so if someone could figure it out a lot of people would be happy. Who wants to mess around with it?
How much of a different shape is the R6 tail light? LED brake light conversions are easy.
I'm not allowed to work on electronics... Article 5.1 of the Warsaw pact... Torturing GSes is illegal. :nono:
ya but i don't get it, if i put new ones on the back of the bike last year, they worked for me all year. Just now i bought them for the front. Now they won't blink. They'll just come on and stay on??? Could wrong wires do this???? Thanks
unless i am mistaken, there is a single relay running both the front and rear signal... so changing only the rear signals would cause less power to be pulled, but then changing the front turn signals after the rear would further decrease the current pulled by each side, resulting in even slower flashing or no flashing at all.
Pablo's site offers a suggestion or two on how to correct this.
So LED brake lights like these, http://clearalternatives.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CA&Product_Code=CTL-0026-2-L-S&Category_Code=Smoke.GS, will work without further modifications? Or do they do some crazy thing like the signals want to do?
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on March 29, 2006, 12:21:52 AM
Quote from: 2005-GS500-PDX on March 29, 2006, 12:20:37 AM
Quote from: RVertigo on March 29, 2006, 12:13:29 AM
It must have to do with the flasher on the GS.
Maybe swaping it out would do it... Who knows.
I see...
Well, who's gonna try this? There are some genii here when it comes to this, so if someone could figure it out a lot of people would be happy. Who wants to mess around with it?
How much of a different shape is the R6 tail light? LED brake light conversions are easy.
r3
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on March 29, 2006, 12:21:52 AM
Quote from: 2005-GS500-PDX on March 29, 2006, 12:20:37 AM
Quote from: RVertigo on March 29, 2006, 12:13:29 AM
It must have to do with the flasher on the GS.
Maybe swaping it out would do it... Who knows.
I see...
Well, who's gonna try this? There are some genii here when it comes to this, so if someone could figure it out a lot of people would be happy. Who wants to mess around with it?
How much of a different shape is the R6 tail light? LED brake light conversions are easy.
It could (I think) be made to fit within the area for the stocker on my '05 relatively simply. Here are the dimensions:
GS: 6 6/8" width and 3" height
R6: 6.5" width and 2" height
The reason I'm opting out for now is that I have integrated rear signals, which would wreak havoc due to...well, the LED-factor.
To make the GS work with LED turn signals two things have to happen.
Two diodes must be inserted in the circuit and the turn signal (flasher) relay must be replaced.
Both are discussed in this thread (http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=11221.0).
:cheers:
Quote from: John Bates on March 29, 2006, 10:15:19 AM
To make the GS work with LED turn signals two things have to happen.
Two diodes must be inserted in the circuit and the turn signal (flasher) relay must be replaced.
Both are discussed in this thread (http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=11221.0).
:cheers:
Right, but WHY? Why do our bikes need the diodes and flasher, whereas other systems accept LEDs as they are? What thing makes them different?
Quote from: 2005-GS500-PDX on March 29, 2006, 10:37:00 AM
Right, but WHY? Why do our bikes need the diodes and flasher, whereas other systems accept LEDs as they are? What thing makes them different?
DIODES:
The designers could have used separate indicator lamps for left and right turns (in which case the diodes wouldn't have been needed), however, they simplified and cost reduced the circuit by using one indicator bulb that is common to both sides. This allows current to flow thru the unwanted side whenever either side is used. The current is not enough to light the unwanted turn signal bulbs but is enough to light unwanted turn signal LEDs. The added diodes isolate the two sides from each other so only the desired side is turned on.
FLASHER:
The OEM flasher only works at the current level as determined by the stock incandecent bulbs. If you replace the bulbs with LEDs you get much less current, not enough to operate the flasher relay. Therefore the flasher relay must be changed to a more sensitive one.
:cheers:
Quote from: John Bates on March 29, 2006, 11:22:20 AM
Quote from: 2005-GS500-PDX on March 29, 2006, 10:37:00 AM
Right, but WHY? Why do our bikes need the diodes and flasher, whereas other systems accept LEDs as they are? What thing makes them different?
DIODES:
The designers could have used separate indicator lamps for left and right turns (in which case the diodes wouldn't have been needed), however, they simplified and cost reduced the circuit by using one indicator bulb that is common to both sides. This allows current to flow thru the unwanted side whenever either side is used. The current is not enough to light the unwanted turn signal bulbs but is enough to light unwanted turn signal LEDs. The added diodes isolate the two sides from each other so only the desired side is turned on.
FLASHER:
The OEM flasher only works at the current level as determined by the stock incandecent bulbs. If you replace the bulbs with LEDs you get much less current, not enough to operate the flasher relay. Therefore the flasher relay must be changed to a more sensitive one.
:cheers:
And in other news, I actually understood that. Thanks man, I appreciate it. It all helps to learn more about our bikes, as well as future bikes we may own.
Thanks again,
Dave
So LED brake lights will work though, without needing diodes?
Yes, any 12V incandescent bulb or any LED designed for 12V will work in the brake circuit.
:cheers:
Quote from: porsche4786 on March 29, 2006, 11:40:28 AM
So LED brake lights will work though, without needing diodes?
That's right, the problem lies in the wiring of the signals. So if you are going to do an integrated brake light and it's LED, you're gonna have problems. If you're doing an LED taillight with regular bulb blinkers, you're in the clear.
you guys TOTALLY jacked this thread... shame on you :flipoff:
any progress with the signals, jeff?
Oh and I should mention that I think the relay issue is that as the current draw decreases the flasher rate actually increases[/i] until you get a solid light for your signal, not decreases, like I mentioned earlierl. I remember installing buell signals on my GS. They flashed a little faster, but still within the law, so I didn't go any farther... sounds like you need to go the extra mile and replace the relay jeff.
jeff,
It would be helpful if we knew what kind of bulb you have. What's the number on the bulb?
:cheers:
I just fixed the same problem on my 83 Gs750, its not the relay its the light bulb not being correct. Just as John Bates has said. It is a trivial thing that has to do with the resistance and a little FM. If they are cheap replacement parts try to find the same bulb size from the old one and see if that works. On the said 750 that's all I had to do to get them to work right.
Did you try switching the wires? When I replaced the signals on my FJ1200, I had wired them in wrong and they wouldn't work, but after switching them up it was fine. There were dual filasments though
Maybe try this
Electronic LED flasher
http://www.superbrightleds.com/tail-brake-turn.html
http://www.clearalternatives.com/flasher.htm
number on the bulbs are, 12v/21 sound right???
Quote from: jefferygs500 on March 30, 2006, 06:19:34 PM
number on the bulbs are, 12v/21 sound right???
Yes, 12v 21w is what Suzuki calls for.
Is there any other number on there?
:cheers:
Mine signals arent working either, neither si my brake light. The brake light is on but it doesnt go brighter when you hit the brakes. Where do i get the relays or fuses from? Are there equals at my local parts store?
Quote from: average on March 31, 2006, 12:38:55 PM
Mine signals arent working either, neither si my brake light. The brake light is on but it doesnt go brighter when you hit the brakes. Where do i get the relays or fuses from? Are there equals at my local parts store?
Take all the bulbs out and test them. That's the first step.
They should be available at any auto parts store.
:cheers: