Hey tomorrow I'm gonna replace my unsafe mesh jacket and non-leather gloves. The store sales person was kind enough to let me buy them knowing I was a first time rider... :mad: Anyways I understand I need all leather gear so I'm going to buy a new tight fitting jacket and some comfortable gloves. What brands should I consider? I don't really wanna spend more than 150 total, less would be better. :thumb:
Quote from: tussey on April 10, 2006, 06:11:11 PM
Hey tomorrow I'm gonna replace my unsafe mesh jacket and non-leather gloves. The store sales person was kind enough to let me buy them knowing I was a first time rider... :mad: Anyways I understand I need all leather gear so I'm going to buy a new tight fitting jacket and some comfortable gloves. What brands should I consider? I don't really wanna spend more than 150 total, less would be better. :thumb:
Unsafe Mesh? What brand/model is it? I crashed in a mesh Fieldsheer jacket and it held up GREAT! Yeah it was toast afterwards, but it protected me perfectly! As for the gloves, yeah. Replae them. Check out Olympia gloves.
Also, leather costs a lot more, so you're probably going to have to look for clearance items that fit you well or go for the less expensive stuff. Icon stuff, from what I understand, isn't that bad. It's cheaper than the nice stuff (Teknic, Alpinestars, Dainese) but should be functional for the street.
Personally, I wouldn't buy ANY Joe Rocket stuff. They have quality issues with their stitching.
go to newenough.com and check the closeouts.
i recommend newenough too. recently bought pants from them. decent price. :thumb:
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on April 10, 2006, 06:30:40 PM
Quote from: tussey on April 10, 2006, 06:11:11 PM
Hey tomorrow I'm gonna replace my unsafe mesh jacket and non-leather gloves. The store sales person was kind enough to let me buy them knowing I was a first time rider... :mad: Anyways I understand I need all leather gear so I'm going to buy a new tight fitting jacket and some comfortable gloves. What brands should I consider? I don't really wanna spend more than 150 total, less would be better. :thumb:
Unsafe Mesh? What brand/model is it? I crashed in a mesh Fieldsheer jacket and it held up GREAT! Yeah it was toast afterwards, but it protected me perfectly! As for the gloves, yeah. Replae them. Check out Olympia gloves.
Also, leather costs a lot more, so you're probably going to have to look for clearance items that fit you well or go for the less expensive stuff. Icon stuff, from what I understand, isn't that bad. It's cheaper than the nice stuff (Teknic, Alpinestars, Dainese) but should be functional for the street.
Personally, I wouldn't buy ANY Joe Rocket stuff. They have quality issues with their stitching.
I have two joe rocket jackets now and see no problems with stitching. true i did JUST get one. but my other is a half leather half mesh jacket, and I've had not a single problem with it. my friend has a full leather jacket that hes been wearing daily for about 3 years now with no problems at all. joe rocket gloves on the other hand, I'm not so convinced about.
you won't find much in the way of leather jackets for <$150. As mentioned before the closeout section of newenough.com might be your best bet. Which mesh jacket do you have now? They're not necessarily unsafe, just not as safe as a padded leather jacket would be. I wear a First Gear textile jacket and I feel perfectly safe in it. It's too hot here in East Texas for leather.
-M
Quote from: Mandres on April 10, 2006, 07:59:40 PM
you won't find much in the way of leather jackets for <$150. As mentioned before the closeout section of newenough.com might be your best bet. Which mesh jacket do you have now? They're not necessarily unsafe, just not as safe as a padded leather jacket would be. I wear a First Gear textile jacket and I feel perfectly safe in it. It's too hot here in East Texas for leather.
-M
It's some bobo mesh jacket with lame pads that move all around my arm. It has button snaps to make it fit tighter around my arm. Like those would stay snapped during a crash. I guess the jacket is ok but it is WAAAY too loose on my body. I want something tight and snug, with pads.
(:poke) i'd like to point out that budget is from canada, and that the riding season up there is equevlant to a american month.
(:end poke)
but seriously, if you have issues with your skin, like you enjoy grafts and scars, buy a joe crapit, or if all you are ever going to do is sit on your bike, "parking lot pimpin" they will be adiquate for that. go get a tecnic chicane jacket, the same quality that tecnic puts into thier leather gear but you can wash it at home. and it's waterproof for those summer sprinkles.
THE ONLY GLOVE ADVICE YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO: the right way to calcuate your glove budget is to put a dollar in your pocket every time you move a muscle in your hand, for a full 24 hour period. then you will realize how important your hands are, and those hundred buck alpine star full gauntlets won't seem very expensive anymore. just ask pablo for the last crash pics. to futher re-enforce this point. then ask alpha for his crash pics whare he was wearign shitty gloves. and then ask how much fun the RR is.
there are only two ways to learn to wear gear, to crash and realize that you need better gear as you limp around for months on end, or to watch your buddie crash and watch him limp around for months on end. either way you need to be exposed to the pain first hand to really realize what happens when you go sliding across the asphalt.
Maybe you could get rid of the mesh jacket and replace it with a well fit high quality textile jacket with padding and continue saving your pennies for a leather jacket.
No sense in buying the cheapest leather jacket you can find if you're not going to be happy and comfortable if you went and got a good textile jacket at least it would be something you'd want to keep and wear while you saved for a leather jacket
For $150 for both a leather jacket and gloves, I don't think that's realistic.
I'd keep the mesh jacket and spend the money on good quality leather gloves. I'd recommend Held. I had Dainese before, and the Held's are much higher quality. I got Held Krypton's from Motobrio (http://www.motobrio.co.uk) for a lot less than I could find here in the US.
Mesh jackets aren't as good as leather jackets, but they're still worth having, especially if it's hot outside. If you decide on leather gear, all the popular brands should be pretty good. I personally favor Fieldsheer as a good value, but you can often find Teknic or Joe Rocket leather on closeout.
I have the icon motorhead jacket...i'll tell you that it is good armor, i've crashed it and it's fine...350
icon heavy duty gloves...deerskin leather :thumb: crash tested and approved...50
Quote from: badkarma506 on April 10, 2006, 08:27:17 PM
(:poke) i'd like to point out that budget is from canada, and that the riding season up there is equevlant to a american month.
(:end poke)
but seriously, if you have issues with your skin, like you enjoy grafts and scars, buy a joe crapit, or if all you are ever going to do is sit on your bike, "parking lot pimpin" they will be adiquate for that. go get a tecnic chicane jacket, the same quality that tecnic puts into thier leather gear but you can wash it at home. and it's waterproof for those summer sprinkles.
THE ONLY GLOVE ADVICE YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO: the right way to calcuate your glove budget is to put a dollar in your pocket every time you move a muscle in your hand, for a full 24 hour period. then you will realize how important your hands are, and those hundred buck alpine star full gauntlets won't seem very expensive anymore. just ask pablo for the last crash pics. to futher re-enforce this point. then ask alpha for his crash pics whare he was wearign shitty gloves. and then ask how much fun the RR is.
there are only two ways to learn to wear gear, to crash and realize that you need better gear as you limp around for months on end, or to watch your buddie crash and watch him limp around for months on end. either way you need to be exposed to the pain first hand to really realize what happens when you go sliding across the asphalt.
Well not quite, I ride from April-November (8 mounths) and just for the record, a Canadian month is the same length as an American one :icon_rolleyes:
I honestly don't know why you hate Joe Rocket so much. You seem to think that it's a poser brand, but most people consider icon THE poser brand. There's no real way to definitively determine if a brand is crap without crash testing all of them in the exact same way, same conditions and same type of crash to see witch holds up better. I work in a leather shop, and I've seen a few crashed Joe Rocket suits that held up well. (as well as a few Technic and one Spike suit) I would say that all of the big name manufactures make good quality jackets, but some do it better than others. I wouldn't go as far to say that any major name company's jackets are only suited for sitting at a coffee shop. That's what they make that thin fashion leather crap for. Gloves are an entirely different story.
If you are on a budget you are better off looking for 2nd hand gear. A high quality textile jacket is far better than a cheap leather jacket and your money will go futher with textile gear.
I have crashed in textile gear at low speed and it held up well.
Even cheap moto gloves at a moto-stealer are gonna be $30+...... Most are about $50 or higher. Not gonna leave you much for a nice jacket...
I'm jumping in with other people... Check newenough.com and motorcyclecloseouts.com... Or look for used gear.
So I picked up the new gear today. 230 for a Roshin Kiso Textile Jacket. It's listed on their website as Motoboss but it has Roshin all over it. It's a real nice snug fit.
(http://www.cyclegear.com/images/streetapparel/kiso_jkt_310x310.jpg)
http://www.cyclegear.com/spgm.cfm?L1=3&L2=10&L3=&L4=&item=ROS_ROS103-BLK-SM_G
I got Dainese gloves for 140 (they are all black unlike the picture).
(http://www.cyclegear.com/images/streetapparel/dai_shrttrxglv_310x310.jpg)
http://www.cyclegear.com/spgm.cfm?L1=3&L2=15&L3=&L4=&item=DAI_1815442-691-XS_G
Let me know what you guys think. Also does anyone else shop at CycleGear? They seem like a great place and they have a store locally. :thumb:
wow those gloves are niec, are they all leather?
$230 for a basic textile jacket with cheap armor? :o It's definitely nice looking but for that price you could have scored a nice leather or 1000 denier motoport textile. My First Gear jacket has simlar features to yours and it was $70 brand new on e-bay. The gloves look really nice.
-M
JOE ROCKET mesh feels good. looks good. I'll let you know how she holds up when I go down.
**ain't it funny how a poser is determined by the clothes they wear. **
Would that qualify as BIGOTRY?
big·ot (bgt)
n.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
Quote from: 3imo on April 11, 2006, 12:03:37 PM
JOE ROCKET mesh feels good. looks good. I'll let you know how she holds up when I go down.
**ain't it funny how a poser is determined by the clothes they wear. **
Would that qualify as BIGOTRY?
big·ot (bgt)
n.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
+1
Tussey,
I had Dainese X-1 Pelles, they look similar to those gloves of yours. Mine wore out in several of the fingertips in less than a year. Pretty comfortable though. I bought my Held Krypton's for about $140, they are far superior to my Dainese gloves.
Cycle Gear has great service, sometimes great deals too. I went to a Cycle Gear over a year ago, then went back a couple months ago. They remembered who I was, I was very surprised.
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Those gloves look like they dont cover the wrists very far. for the price you could have gotten alpinstar sp-1 gloves (probably at newenough.com, where I got them) and had longer gloves.
OH YES, good leather gloves are the shaZam!! crash tested-not a scratch or compromised stitch on either gloves or a-stars jacket.
why do you consider ICON to be a poser????
Quote from: solarpulse on April 11, 2006, 05:53:25 PM
why do you consider ICON to be a poser????
(http://www.motorhelmets.net/pics-general/icon-bling-glove.jpg)
(http://www.motoemporium.com/icon/merc/merc_jacket.jpg)
Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.
I've only ever heard good things about the Tourmaster Magnum jacket. Pretty decent price for a leather jacket and the reviews I've read said it's a good, thick leather. Don't have any personal experience, but it's one I'm considering. I do have a TM textile jacket that I just got recently that I really like.
http://www.newenough.com/tour_master_magnum_jacket_page.htm
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on April 11, 2006, 05:58:48 PMQuote from: solarpulse on April 11, 2006, 05:53:25 PMwhy do you consider ICON to be a poser????
Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.
HEY! My wife has an Icon jacket. :flipoff:
Quote from: RVertigo on April 11, 2006, 06:13:42 PM
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on April 11, 2006, 05:58:48 PMQuote from: solarpulse on April 11, 2006, 05:53:25 PMwhy do you consider ICON to be a poser????
Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.
HEY! My wife has an Icon jacket. :flipoff:
Well, they are one of the few companies that make women-specific gear. I'd trust Alpinestars stuff more though.
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on April 11, 2006, 06:14:40 PMWell, they are one of the few companies that make women-specific gear. I'd trust Alpinestars stuff more though.
XS womens gear is hard to find... Especially gear that doesn't look like it should be on a dude riding a Harley. :icon_confused:
She got this one (http://www.kneedraggers.com/details/Icon_Tuscadero_Leather_Jacket_Ladies--36-ICON05-1.html) in white.
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on April 11, 2006, 05:58:48 PM
Quote from: solarpulse on April 11, 2006, 05:53:25 PM
why do you consider ICON to be a poser????
Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.
I wouldn't call that being a poser, thats more like being dr claw and a race car driving clown
Quote from: LimaXray on April 11, 2006, 06:18:35 PMdr claw
HA HA HA! :laugh:
You dated yourself. :icon_razz:
stereotypes...everywhere... :laugh:
I love those gloves! They're such a joke. And there's a matching jacket and helmet too.
I would wear those because I love the novelty of 'bling'
You should see my belt buckle. It's a big sparkly gold dollar sign on a tiger print belt. Bling is awesome. :thumb:
you should get one of these:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Red-LED-Iced-Hip-Hop-Electronic-Text-Belt-Buckle_W0QQitemZ8274554993QQcategoryZ105401QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
lol, no no no
its all about this;
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/gimmeaname1234/Untitled-1.jpg)
Quote from: pantablo on April 11, 2006, 04:25:54 PM
Those gloves look like they dont cover the wrists very far. for the price you could have gotten alpinstar sp-1 gloves (probably at newenough.com, where I got them) and had longer gloves.
OH YES, good leather gloves are the shaZam!! crash tested-not a scratch or compromised stitch on either gloves or a-stars jacket.
Indeed you are right. That was one of my concerns but I went ahead and bought them anyways. You made me change my mind. So today I went back and exchanged them for Dainese Firestarter gloves.
http://www.cyclegear.com/spgm.cfm?L1=3&L2=15&L3=&L4=&item=DAI_1815367-691-XS_G
(http://www.cyclegear.com/images/Firestarter_Glove_blk_310x341.jpg)
I also picked up a set of these!
(http://www.cyclegear.com/images/17-7932Pg719BlkBlk_310x122.jpg) :thumb:
get the gear that everyone on here approves for you...if not they'll prolly ridicule you and call you a poser
People like to talk shaZam!... Whatever...
I like Icon gear... Now, if I just had some money to buy it. :icon_confused:
Quote from: RVertigo on April 11, 2006, 06:13:42 PM
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on April 11, 2006, 05:58:48 PMQuote from: solarpulse on April 11, 2006, 05:53:25 PMwhy do you consider ICON to be a poser????
Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.
HEY! My wife has an Icon jacket. :flipoff:
I have an icon jacket too.... obviously they make it cause people buy it...if no one wanted those jackets then they woudln't make them and honestly i woudl rather wear a bright blue or red or pink jacket at least its better then black!!!
i have the white and baby blue kitty jacket.... at least it fits and has boob room unlike alpinstars and joe rocket!!!
i have a Shift textile jacket i paid 200 for .. i love it . its great .. i was gonna buy an icon but none of them had the inter vest so on them cold days i could still weare it .. every compay makes stuff there gonna sale ... i like the bling on the icon but i'm not willing to pay that much for some gloves.. at least you know .. if you go down that them gloves should hold up ... not as well as a kevilar glove but
Quote from: solarpulse on April 12, 2006, 07:41:04 PM
Quote from: RVertigo on April 11, 2006, 06:13:42 PM
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on April 11, 2006, 05:58:48 PMQuote from: solarpulse on April 11, 2006, 05:53:25 PMwhy do you consider ICON to be a poser????
Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.
HEY! My wife has an Icon jacket. :flipoff:
I have an icon jacket too.... obviously they make it cause people buy it...if no one wanted those jackets then they woudln't make them and honestly i woudl rather wear a bright blue or red or pink jacket at least its better then black!!!
i have the white and baby blue kitty jacket.... at least it fits and has boob room unlike alpinstars and joe rocket!!!
Ah, yes ... boob room. Boob room is good .... :thumb:
Quote from: budget speed demon on April 11, 2006, 08:53:28 PM
I love those gloves! They're such a joke. And there's a matching jacket and helmet too.
I would wear those because I love the novelty of 'bling'
You should see my belt buckle. It's a big sparkly gold dollar sign on a tiger print belt. Bling is awesome. :thumb:
bling bling
Boob room, you say?
Anywho, newenough is where it's at. I got 2 Teknic leather jackets and a pair of leather pants all for $100 each on closeout. And yeah, they're awesome quality. The pants fit me a little odd, but I'm tall with ski poles for legs, so that's my problem. But that's is the #1 place I'd recommend. Cycle gear is also cool. Good selection and decent prices. And look hard, because there are markdowns on random stuff on the racks.
As for Icon, they make some stupid shaZam! for sure, but a lot of their stuff is good. I loved the Mainframe Skull helmet and tried it on, and it fit perfect. I didn't buy it though until I read high praise for that line of helmets. So while their line of blingtastic shaZam! is trash, they actually do make good stuff.
Gear shopping is tough, but you can find some great deals if you're patient. Good luck!
Quote from: tussey on April 12, 2006, 08:33:02 AM
So today I went back and exchanged them for Dainese Firestarter gloves.
...
(http://www.cyclegear.com/images/Firestarter_Glove_blk_310x341.jpg)
Much better protection. Dianese is a great company too. High quality product.
regarding ICON:
just like a gsxr 600 isnt automatically a squid bike, neither is the ICON gear. However, just like there are plenty of squids that are attracted to the gixxer, they are also attracted to the ICON stuff, which is marketed to the stunting crowd. Its probably just as good as the next smaller known brand.
Thats my opinion on the matter...
Quote from: pantablo on April 12, 2006, 11:07:26 PM
regarding ICON:
just like a gsxr 600 isnt automatically a squid bike, neither is the ICON gear. However, just like there are plenty of squids that are attracted to the gixxer, they are also attracted to the ICON stuff, which is marketed to the stunting crowd. Its probably just as good as the next smaller known brand.
Thats my opinion on the matter...
Well said.
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Quote from: pantablo on April 12, 2006, 11:07:26 PMwhich is marketed to the stunting crowd. Its probably just as good as the next smaller known brand.
The only people I've seen wearing Icon are the "Bad-Ass" wannabe types (like me :laugh:)... They get it 'cause the jacket has skulls, guns, pirates, and whatnot...
The one guy I know that has an Icon jacket has a dual-sport that's totally Mad-Maxed out... Friggen spikes and bullets... HA HA HA HA... I should take a pic of it. :icon_mrgreen:
Any opinion on Vega Helmet Nitro gear?
Quote from: Cannon Fodder on April 15, 2006, 02:40:56 PM
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on April 15, 2006, 12:28:45 PM
Crap, IMO.
Mind elaborating?
Not very high quality helmet. The padding on the inside is low quality, cheap fabric. The helmet doesn't have very high tolerances, which means lower quality. The crush-foam protection stuff isn't nearly as good as that in higher end helmets, (hell, even Icon is better than Vega. I hate Icon stuff, too).
Haven't seen much of the Vega Nitro jacket though.
Hey guys, here's the article I was talking about earlier about helmets;
http://teamoregon.orst.edu/to_web/PDF/Blowing%20the%20Lid%20Off,%20Motorcyclists%206-05,%20D.%20Ford.pdf
The main difference I have noticed between leather gear and textile gear, is that leather will hold up better to repeated crashes a WHOLE lot better than textile. But for the price difference depending on the weather you rid ein textile may be the way to go. It,s generally cheaper and armored. Just make sure you buy something that fits correctly. Ill-fitting gear is almost as bad as no gear
Taht article surprised the h*** out of me with the results when I read it a few months ago
Quote from: ambisinister on April 15, 2006, 07:19:16 PM
Taht article surprised the h*** out of me with the results when I read it a few months ago
Yeah, me too. Especially since it's also crap. I'm sorry, but I don't trust my head in some PepBoys helmet special. I don't care what that article says but my head is what's keeping me from being a vegetable. I'd rather trust the Snell foundation, the only people taking an interest in my head's safety. That article's science was shaky at best, anyways.
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on April 15, 2006, 04:51:25 PM
Haven't seen much of the Vega Nitro jacket though.
I was meaning more of the jackets and boots anyway, I'm sticking to HJC, KBC, Arai, and Shoei as far as helmets are concerned. Some of the Nitro jackets have CE certified armor in them though.
There's a guy I see riding around that wears a knight helmet. Yeah, a metal one with the slit for the eyes and a spike atop it. So awesome. And safe. And probably totally legal.
Quote from: Cannon Fodder on April 15, 2006, 07:29:26 PM
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on April 15, 2006, 04:51:25 PM
Haven't seen much of the Vega Nitro jacket though.
I was meaning more of the jackets and boots anyway, I'm sticking to HJC, KBC, Arai, and Shoei as far as helmets are concerned. Some of the Nitro jackets have CE certified armor in them though.
Hmm. I might have to check them out then. I like CE armor a lot, and won't buy a jacket without it (although my Teknic jacket didn't originally come with armor, my old Fieldsheer armor fit in perfectly). Fieldsheer is a good brand to check out too. You can get the jackets on eBay for fairly cheap. Good products too, especially their mesh.
I'm a big fan of Alpinestars gear.
my alpinestars mx boots - old school tech boots! (http://www.classicboots.com/moto/images/90s04.jpg) have been so great over the years... they're like a motocross antique now haha.
I think the alpinestars gear looks great, the lines and colors are nice and it is always quality gear.