So a while back some of you might remember me asking about the benefits/drawbacks of leasing a vehicle.
Well yesterday we were doing grocery shooping and we saw this tiny car that called my gf's and my attention. A chevy aveo.
We looked at the page and we were very surprised at the price of this little rat (around $13,000 loaded).
We wanted to get the 5-door LT model, but I wonder if anyone has anything to say about this tiny car (gf loves it because it resembles the tiny cars used in japan). We are looking for a city car (to be used in a very small city).
http://www.chevrolet.com/aveo/
[update] since the server crashed when I tried to post this message, I have now test-driven this tiny car at the dealeship. fun fun :D
bad thing is, the stealership doesn't have manual transmission :mad: maybe I'll look on the nearby towns.
If you Buy a One of chevy's full size passenger vans you get a aveo for free.
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No shaZam!. O0
Subc,
B4 you do anything, drive a Honda "Fit"! I had a chance to drive the first one that wasn't pre-sold. I was amazed how well it handled and had all the fit & finish qualities that you'd expect from a Honda costing $10k more. :thumb: I delivered the first one last Thursday for $14400 + tax. There's a lot of space utilization in that small package. Make sure you look at one before you pull the trigger!
Before you buy the Aveo, go to Toyota and check out the Yaris. It's just hit the US market, but has already proven itself in Europe. About the same price as the Aveo. (The Aveo is made by Suzuki and sold as a Suzuki Aerio. Check your Suzuki car dealer to see if they have a manual transmission available.)
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Quote from: pnaberhaus on April 24, 2006, 04:21:53 PM
Subc,
B4 you do anything, drive a Honda "Fit"!
wow! that car is awesome... I really like it (seems better than the aveo... and better looking too). many thanks. I will go to the toyota dealer to see what's going on there.
The Aveo is a solid vehicle developed by GM and Suzuki. There's a facelift coming in a couple of months when the 2007 model gets to dealers. Much better looking than the current one.
There should be two more vehicles you should be looking at if you are looking at the Aveo. The Honda Fit and Toyota Yaris. I've driven all of these vehicles some time ago. The most impressive was the Yaris, but it's also the most expensive. I'm not talking base prices here. I'm talking comfortably equipped with all models. The Honda was also nice, but I'm not fond of the exterior styling. The Toyota and Honda will last you forever obviously. There's more of a question mark with reliability when talking about the Aveo. Still, it's the cheapest of the three and definitely a lot of car for the money although they do skimp on interior materials (like all GM vehicles). Any one of them I would recommend because they're all definitely worth the price. If you can wait a couple of months, grab a 2007 Aveo instead of the 2006.
This is all very general info on the three vehicles. I can get pretty details if you want, but I wouldn't know where to stop. If you have more specific questions, ask away. :thumb:
I just looked into the Yaris online. Looks pretty nice too :icon_razz: but it's 2 doors only :icon_confused:
What we like about these cars is that we can basically pay them off in like a year :thumb: besides, they are small (kinda like japanese cars my gf is used to drive)
We want a manual transmission, 4 cylinders is fine, a sunroof is not necessary (but nice :icon_lol: ), station wagon style (to put all the stuff and grocery on the back), good resale value (eventually).
what's the insurance like on these cars btw?
also, I was amazed at how tight I can go in the turns with the Aveo 8)
I just read an article in motortrend about 7 econoboxes compared side by side, including the honda fit, the chevy aveo, and the yaris, along with a few others. All of them were under $15K, and some were pretty decent. I'll see if I can dig up that article and give you their results!
Quote from: subc on April 24, 2006, 05:10:05 PM
I just looked into the Yaris online. Looks pretty nice too :icon_razz: but it's 2 doors only :icon_confused:
The Yaris is available in a 4-door sedan configuration, but I prefer the 3-door hatchback you saw. :thumb:
Quote from: subc on April 24, 2006, 05:10:05 PM
What we like about these cars is that we can basically pay them off in like a year :thumb: besides, they are small (kinda like japanese cars my gf is used to drive)
We want a manual transmission, 4 cylinders is fine, a sunroof is not necessary (but nice :icon_lol: ), station wagon style (to put all the stuff and grocery on the back), good resale value (eventually).
I, too, have been looking into a vehicle like this for the very same reasons. It gets frustrating driving around high horsepower V8 cars after a while. I love them, but too much gas wasted just to go to the store or transport something.
Quote from: subc on April 24, 2006, 05:10:05 PM
what's the insurance like on these cars btw?
No idea, but they are going to be very very low.
Quote from: subc on April 24, 2006, 05:10:05 PM
also, I was amazed at how tight I can go in the turns with the Aveo 8)
Yes. They really are impressive once you drive them. Like I said before. You get a whole lot of car for very little money. :)
Honda Fit. End thread.
Fit sub forum on Honda-tech.com - largest most helpful Honda site online.
http://www.honda-tech.com/zeroforum?id=73
Fit has been put through the paces before it even hit our shores. Honda reliability and a degree of fit and finish that should easily eclipse the competition.
Oh, don't forget about the Scion xA either. Not too impressed with it as far as styling and price go, but it is a competitor in this market and it's a Toyota so it'll last forever also.
And a little compare for ya right here (http://automobiles.honda.com/tools/compare/results_overview.aspx?ModelName=Fit&ModelYear=2007&AICGroupNum=4796&RURL=http%3a%2f%2fautomobiles.honda.com%2fmodels%2fmodel_overview.asp%3fModelName%3dFit&AICNum1=19020&LastState=%2Ftools%2Fcompare%2Fselect_competitor_similar.aspx%3FModelName%3DFit%26ModelYear%3D2007%26AICGroupNum%3D4796%26RURL%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fautomobiles.honda.com%252fmodels%252fmodel_overview.asp%253fModelName%253dFit%26AICNum1%3D19020%26LastState%3D%26AICNum2%3D18911%26AICNum3%3D17120%26AICNum4%3D17750&AICNum2=18911&AICNum3=17120&AICNum4=17750&Filter=&Mode=&Photo=&Change=).
well, I took a fit for a test drive. man it handles great! :thumb: We really like it.
however the local stealership has a MSRP of $15,170 for the Fit Sport, and that's alright, except that they added a markup of almost $3000, bringing the price to over $18,000 before taxes and whatever :mad:
Their reason for such markup is that there's high demand for these cars and... that's it.. WTF! is not like they are the ones making them. Or is not like Honda is charging more to the dealeship because there's high demand for them. What a ripoff.
The way I see it, if the dealeship was selling the cars at the MSRP, they would still make a decent profit! :mad:
And to top it, they wanted me to give them a check for $500 to show my good intentions of buying the car... even when I went to visit them 3 times today!!! (2 with my gf).
oh and btw, the same stealership carries both the aveo and the fit.
I mean, I configured a fit online with all the goodies and nice rims and stuff, and it was around $16,000 and my gf was happy. but I really don't understand why they would just add over 2 grand to the price for no real reason.
i'm pissed :nono:
yep.. bastards... just because they can. :2guns:
The Fit was just released to dealers this month and it's selling very well. A lot of people are buying them over the Civic so the demand is very high. It's with any new product that comes to the market. There is a price to pay to be an early adopter. I'm experiencing the same thing trying to find a 2006 GSX-R600 right now. With the ridding season just starting, all prices on new bikes are high. That will change come August. It's the same with the Fit. Give it a couple of months for the dealers to get a constant supply and you'll find what you want for the price you want to pay. :thumb:
Yaris is cheaper then Fit and gets better milage.
Quote from: pizzleboy on April 24, 2006, 11:17:49 PM
Yaris is cheaper then Fit and gets better milage.
Another reason why I like it better than the Fit, especially the 3-door hatchback.
Subc,
Here at our Honda(car) dealership, we will sell the "Fit" anyway you want it, plain, a few goodies, or w/half the parts dept. on it. No additional charges levied. The base model has less than $500 mark-up on it, so it doesn't surprise me that some greedy Honda stores jack the price up and subsequently piss of prospective customers :nono:. We don't do that here, which probably explains why the next 2 months allocation is already "pre-sold". Unfortunately, when a "hot" car FIRST arrives on the market, be it a new Mini, the first Miata, a Boxster, a "New" Beetle, prices are driven up by a demand that far exceeds supply......thereby encouraging some dealers to inflate selling prices. :mad: My best advice here is to sit patiently, bide your time(if you can), and wait for the "Fit" pipeline to fill up. The annoyance of waiting a few months will be forgotten after you've taken delivery of the car that you really want, and in the long term of ownership, the difficult waiting period will be lost by your enjoyment of the car.
I was looking at Civics a while back and they wanted and extra 3k too because it was popular. Honda's are great cars, but IMO they're not worth anymore then MSRP. You can get a lot more car else where for that extra 3k.
Never looked at the Toyota, but you can't go wrong there.
I've also looked at the Aveo, but it was way too small for me and wasn't too taken with GM's typical poor interior quality and lack of the basic power items you expect in a base model here in the 21st century. Take a look at the Cobalt. I was given one as a Loaner and had it for about a month. I admit I liked it, it was a lot more comfortable and the fit and finish was an improvement.
I wound up buying a Kia Optima. It's a full sized car, and was only about 12k new. Came with all the bell and whistles standard and interior is nicer then the Aveos(sigh). I can't say im dissappointed with the car, I abuse it and it still treats me well for the most part. Not to mention I get 28-30 mpg which I think is good for a bigger car being driven by a reckless ass like me..
thanks for all the answers. after a long discussion about the 5-door / 3-door issue (Yaris), we decided to check it out and see what the Yaris is all about. And yes, the finishing and overall quality of the Aveo is NOTHING compared to the Honda.
it still pisses me off that they wanted me to give them $500 to show my 'good faith' :mad: I know I told them about 3 times that I wanted no commitment just yet, and they said something like 'oh sure, don't worry'. :cookoo:
I'm only going to say this once and I don't mean any offense. Twelve thousand could buy you one hell of a nice used car. You could easily get into a late model Accord, Camry or Maxima for that price. You could have comfort, power, quality materials and construction. Why would you want to pay new stock dealer prices on a tiny little econobox like this? So you can be the first on your block to cruise around in the absolute cheapest, bottom-of-the-barrel new car available? I just don't get it.
-M
edit - I came off sounding a little hostile, that wasn't my intention. Just food for though. New cars depreciate faster than any other asset so at least keep the secondhand market in mind.
Well I'm glad you're saying that just once then. What I don't get is calling the Yaris or Fit "bottom of the barrel". Just because they don't cost much doesn't mean they're crap or even bad looking. Why buy a used vehicle where you may or may not know what is wrong with it when you can buy a brand spankin' new vehicle that's going to have a great warranty and will get better gas mileage than anything else you can buy out there for $12k?
you could get a new civic dx for around $14500. that is assuming that they don't mark it up. if they do, you might want to try a different dealer.
A couple other interesting thoughts:
In canada, we've had the Yaris for 2 years, and we have 3 different versions.
BTW: the Carolla actually gets better mileage then teh Yaris on the highway. Which is strange, casue it's got a 1.8L engine instead of the Yaris's 1.5 and probably ways about 500lbs more. That 1.8 engine is pretty kick ass though.
I do also think that Toyota bends you over a little. Sure you can get 4 wheels and a seat for about $14K cdn, but if you want air, add $1500, want nice decals etc? you're up to almost $19K BEFORE TAXES in a hurry. that's about the same price as a carolla with AIR.
Meh, I have 30 months left to pay my B3000 anyways and I don't I could go back to not having a truck.
We got a Fit in and just got done driving riding it around. They brought in a fully loaded one at about $15k.
(http://www.projectrich.com/gallery/1169-2/DSC00294.JPG) (http://www.projectrich.com/gallery/20060503_fit/DSC00294.JPG.html)
There's no doubt I would take this thing before everything else. The Fit is go, subc. Go get one! I'm so tempted to pick one up myself too. :thumb:
Roguegeek :cheers:
subc,
Get the Fit! Long after you've forgotten that perhaps you paid a bit more for the Honda, the quality, durability and fun-to-drive factor will still remain and enhance your ownership experience! ;)
My GF has an aveo. It's not too bad of a car.
It actually isn't made by suzuki, it's made by daewoo, and sold as the Kalo overseas (I was rather pissed that she bought a daewoo...but oh well).
It came with pretty good kuhmo tires that grip pretty darn well. It has a sloppy throttle, and really long throws on the shifter, but other than that it's a pretty good little econo-box (except that it only gets like 25 mpg in the city)....
I support everyone saying to get the fit or the yaris, both seem like really badass little hatches. If I had a reason to buy a car, I would probably get one of those two.
Quote from: pnaberhaus on April 24, 2006, 04:21:53 PM
Subc,
B4 you do anything, drive a Honda "Fit"! I had a chance to drive the first one that wasn't pre-sold. I was amazed how well it handled and had all the fit & finish qualities that you'd expect from a Honda costing $10k more. :thumb: I delivered the first one last Thursday for $14400 + tax. There's a lot of space utilization in that small package. Make sure you look at one before you pull the trigger!
Overall, i think the fit is a great car. Not exactly ugly either. I just dont know how i feel about riding around on top of the gas tank. I would have to see some crash test results....
Quote from: average on May 06, 2006, 10:26:10 PM...I just dont know how i feel about riding around on top of the gas tank...
isn't that what we all do when ducking on the GS? 8)