I read this on another forum (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t459991.html):
QuoteAlthough most sportbikes are designed to enter a corner in high speed than most cars, but after a point, 4 tires on a great and expensive car would outhandle a bike. Cars are easier to drive and easier to corner, great transportation so that defeats any real reason for owning a bike in general, period.
Thoughts? Comments?
The poster has never ridden a bike..... :dunno_white: :dunno_white:
yeah that dude is retarded
Don tbe deluded. equal rider/driver puts the advantage to the car. I know good drivers that can stomp bikes in the canyons-and not on any exotic car or squid-turbo'd econobox but a natually aspirated vw scirroco...set up as a track car but street legal. His Big Willow track times are also as fast as the top 10% of the novice racers group
remember-has to be equal skill at the controls.
I think the author of that statement doesnt "get it" in regards to bikes. simple as that.
What a dork. It's a good thing I belong to that forum too...
One nasty reply coming up... Don't worry, No mention of GSTwin will be made. :laugh:
Airplanes are safer, faster, and more reliable than any lower form of transportation. Why have a car? :laugh:
The original poster obviously has a high opinion of himself, and is likely speaking out of ignorance.
I read some other posts by him, and he thinks of himself as a HIGHLY SKILLED driver...
I'm not even gonna bother with the reply. Not even worth the time.
Well, I just thought the discussion was interesting. It is knuckle head drivers like that who are the ones that try and "race" motorcycles to proove their "mad skillz". :icon_rolleyes:
Quote from: Phaedrus on June 03, 2006, 09:43:26 PM
Well, I just thought the discussion was interesting. It is knuckle head drivers like that who are the ones that try and "race" motorcycles to proove their "mad skillz". :icon_rolleyes:
...and crash and get killed and give us safer bikers a bad rep.
It's true that most cars can out-corner most bikes...
But I'd say at least 60% of motorcycle riders can out-corner 80% of car drivers...
'cause in a car, corners are inconvenient when you go flying around them as fast as you can... If you have stuff on the seat or dash, it goes flying... You have to hold yourself into your seat (standard car seats anyway)... Your passengers scream, Buddha Loves You, and call you names...
Most car drivers are too scared to take a corner like MOST motorcycle riders take them.
I say let the guy feel good about his "skills." He probably doesn't have anything else to feel good about. :dunno_white:
personaly i think that once u start to drive a motorcycle ur car driving skill change.
You do! You become more aware of your surroundings, speed, traction, the amout of things that can go wrong in any given situation, and drivers who have ridden motorcycles are less likely to be in an accident with a motorcycle. I think the foremost key though, is the awareness of potential hazards...such as cell phone usage and other distractions.
Like a comedian said (George Carlin?): If it requires both hands, your eyes and your attention, it probably requires your brain, too (or something like that).
I believe cars can corner just as well as bikes with drivers of equal ability and that cars can also break just as well. Motorcycles however incredibly out accelerate cars of the same performance. Even when your talkng lambo's and ferriaris against an R1, the R1 will have the upper hand, especially with a quick shifter. On many driving programs here in england they have done shootouts with bikes against cars and the bikes consistently win on the medium/long streights because the acceleration takes them to greater speeds much faster than a car can. However on the twisty circuits, because the riders cant utilise that acceleration the cars and bike times come alot closer together, especially as riders get greater fatigue throwing the car in and out of tight corners.
I agree with what RVertigo said, i think them majority of motorcyclists are more skilled motorists than those who drive cages. You have to be on a motorcycles because your one of the smallest vehicles on the road and everyone appears to be trying to make you part of their radiator. Plus motorcycling takes more skill to ride on a normal road than it does to drive a car - you have to think about conditions, blind spots, apex's and your line through the corner. Car drivers i think switch off in the mundane task of driving whereas motorcyclists are always aware.
Quote from: Kasumi on June 04, 2006, 09:53:46 AM
I believe cars can corner just as well as bikes with drivers of equal ability and that cars can also break just as well.
You believe wrong on both accounts. A stock miata can pull close to 1g on the skid pad...there isn't a bike in existance, including $$$ Grand Prix bikes, that can pull anything resembling 1g. It has nothing to do with the bikes...it's the tires. The advantage of bike lies entirely in it's weight, sheer accelleration and abillity to change course to quickly.
On the other hand, not even Schumacher's Ferrari F1 can pull a 100mph-to-stop as quickly as a GS500.
Al in all there's a bunch panties getting all bundled up over this...seems like there's more important things out there to be offended over.
Were not talking about on the skid pan, a car has four tyres it and rules on a skid pan, a bike can only do doughnuts with basically gaining no momentum. Its totally different physics to a car doing doughnuts on a skid pan because all the weight is thrown to the outside whereas a bike hasnt got weight to throw to the outside and nor the stablisity to maintain large slides such as those you can build momentum on on a skid pan. On a track a car will pull a corner just as well as a bike, it isnt the amount of G you can get its how you ride the corner. A bike will take a different line to a car purely on size, plus were talking about road riding also in which cars can corner just as well because they arnt looking for potholes and gravel and slimey bits and all sorts. However when it comes to getting out of the corner the bike accelerates much harder much earlier whereas a car has to deal with the weight settling and under/over steer before acceleration can take place.
Quote from: makenzie71 on June 04, 2006, 10:04:31 AM
On the other hand, not even Schumacher's Ferrari F1 can pull a 100mph-to-stop as quickly as a GS500.
You are SOOO wrong about this... A ten-foot thick concrete wall will stop an F1 going 100mph in a slit second. :laugh:
Not only will a high performance bike win in the acceleration department but I would expect a "race" bike would beat a "race" car in mileage too. Save that oil! :laugh:
Quote from: Kasumi on June 04, 2006, 04:00:06 PM
Were not talking about on the skid pan...
Whether you want to believe it or not, the physics on the pad are identicle to those on the track.
I know this isn't a definitive comparison, even on a straight track, but it is kinda fun.
See the old thread Wanna Race to the End of the Runway? (http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=18420.0) ... but use THIS VIDEO LINK (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/32081/porsche_vs_r1_vs_avion/) in place of the defunct one in the message thread.
(Be patient....)
What about Jet-Packs those are better.
And what about my fun with the local bimmer club on the way up to Viriginia City? Yeah, those guys would set this doofus straight after the embarassment I handed them. (Maybe cause on every corner I was grounding my pegs) :icon_twisted: I bested an M3... Let's see that VW try it.
I've seen a race between a super-sport bike and a sports car on a track with two PROs piloting each... The bike was ahead on every straight away. The car was ahead in every corner. Cars have four wheels, which means they have WAY more traction and they can slide through corners...
The contact patch on a bike is only about this wide: |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| (YMMV)
Bikes can slide through corners (See SuperMotoX), but your control is FAR greater when sliding a car...
But, none of this matters...
Riding a bike is FRIGGEN' SWEET!!! O0 So, who gives a crap which can corner faster? :dunno_white:
Stock for stock a bike will win, but there are more than a few cars out there that will keep up and spank bikes from a stop or roll. There not close to stock engine wise but are somewhat street legal, as street legal as a bike with a slipon or full race exhaust.
http://www.ccstreetscene.com/videos/murillo-busa.wmv
Short video, would be better but the car crosses the center line (slight steering problem) :laugh: and the bike goes down. Oh the Busa was on N2O and the car is street driven.
The whole argument of which is faster or has more control is kind of silly. I don't think anyone here rides a bike because it's faster or has more control. We ride because it's fun.
A thoroughbred racehorse will beat any person in a race, but we don't give up running.
A motorcycle will beat any racehorse in a race, but we don't give up horse riding.
The whole arguments stupid.
someone told me this a while back dunno about accuracy though
Q: what is the only car that has the SAME power to weight ratio as a motorcycle (im assuming rocket here)
A: an f1 car
Quote from: aaronstj on June 06, 2006, 10:32:26 AMThe whole arguments stupid.
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It is stupid... It doesn't matter that cars
can corner faster than bikes... About 2% of drivers drive them that way.
Bikes are better at everything else... Especially looking cool... And parking (unless you're on a really steep hill).
+1
And also bikers make better motorists because they are always aware, always looking and it takes much more skill and concentration to ride and ride safe.
If we wanted to be faster we would have gotten Hayabusas and turbo kits. then we'd roll like...
BUMP...
Though I have to admit the Blackbird does call my name sometimes.
Granted, if performance was the ONLY reason I ride then yeah.
But where can you buy a car capable of 0-60 in under 10 seconds for less than $10k unmodified? 8)
Get 50 mpg+? :thumb:
Have chicks asking you for a phone number at the local coffee shop? :bowdown:
Plus people wave at you for no more reason than that you're riding...
Cars == Transportation
Motos == FRIGGEN SUPER COOL SWEET-ASS AWESOMENESS O0