When I upgrade, I'm staying with Suzuki, but I'd like something a bit faster. I've been looking around for big carbureted air cooled engines for the sake of easy maintenance... But I'm really diggin Suzuki's sporty 750's. What I would like to know is why the Katana is a couple grand cheaper than the gixxer? If the Katana is a lot comfier, I'd probably go with that. I'll bet insurance would be cheaper too. Plus I like the Katana styling... Anyways, wondering how much faster the gixxer is, and what other little differences there are that make that huge price difference.
I'm not tradin up anytime, soon. I'm going to master the GS before I take on a new - far more expensive - bike. I'd like to make my next bike my first brand new vehicle! I'd also like to make darn sure that puppy is at virtually no risk of touching the ground in the wrong spots due to user error :icon_mrgreen: So... It's gonna be a while.
One other thing... How much harder is it to work on a liquid cooled, fuel injected, fancy faired new bike than it is our little machines? I rather like how simple the GS is... One of it's strengths, if you ask me. Cheap, good mileage, nothin fancy, and it stills holds it own with all the 20-40k sports cars ;)
First, if you get anything shy of a K5/K6 EFI GSXR, tuning is easy...a whole hell of a lot easier than with carbureted bikes.
I don't think I'll ever buy a carbureted bike again...at least not with the intention of keeping it as a daily rider.
The Katana is more comfy to ride...because it's basically a cruiser in wolf's clothing. They're heavy, somewhat sluggish (but they really do wind out) and I personally think they're ugly. If you're interested in a Katana, I'd strongly suggest getting a Bandit. Much better bike (lighter, cheaper, and prettier).
The GSXR is a supersport. It's light, it's powerful, and it's mean.
Quote from: Queso on June 05, 2006, 10:26:14 PM
One other thing... How much harder is it to work on a liquid cooled, fuel injected, fancy faired new bike than it is our little machines? I rather like how simple the GS is... One of it's strengths, if you ask me. Cheap, good mileage, nothin fancy, and it stills holds it own with all the 20-40k sports cars ;)
If you're the type that likes to break into the carbs for a rebuild you'll be dissapointed with a modern supersport-little to no maintenance in comparison. It actually takes me the same amount of time to do an oil change on my 600rr than it did on my naked gs500. other maintenance? like what? valves arent due till 16k or 20k miles (can't remember), you dont mess with the FI system except to install a power commander to make better use of your slip on, but isnt necessary. Sure, every year or two I have to refresh the coolant but thats about the only difference between it and an air cooled bike IMO.
people may talk about the maintenance on a gs as being simple, but in reality its not that much more complicated on a modern supersport.
My brother has a '00 Kat 750. Nice bike, very comfortable, easy to work on and get parts for, etc. The Kat is quite a bit faster than my GS, but only when the revs get high. The Kat is a sport-tourer and is really quite docile at low rpm. If you're looking for a big power/speed jump, look at the GSX-R, but if you're looking for more comfort with additional power and speed as a bonus, the Kat would be a good choice. And yes, they are much cheaper to buy and insure than a gixxer.
When I read this, I was thinking, "Easier to work on? If you get a fuel injected bike, you won't be working on it. You'll be riding it."
Working on bikes is over-rated.
Not sure on this but wasn't Suzuki going to discontinue the Kat's after 06? I think I read an article about it but can't remember for sure. :dunno_white:
Quote from: blue05twin on June 06, 2006, 11:59:20 AM
Not sure on this but wasn't Suzuki going to discontinue the Kat's after 06? I think I read an article about it but can't remember for sure. :dunno_white:
yea, I was gonna say that, but you beat me to it.
JERK FACE!!!
:laugh: :laugh: :flipoff: I'll wait for your post next time :cheers:
People from all walks of life, including GStwiners, refer to the Katana as a "Can-a-tuna".
If you can live with that shame, get one.
People from all walks of life, including GStwiners, assume you are a squid if you have a Gixxer.
I could live with that kind of shame.
Really, the only answer is to get an RC51.
Quote from: Jake D on June 06, 2006, 01:42:39 PM
Really, the only answer is to get an RC51.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to go ahead and agree with you on this one...
Katanas suck - styling is old theyre big a bulky, get a gixxer you will grin for the rest of your born days :icon_mrgreen:
Really, those are two totally different bikes. The Kanatuna is the under-achieving, older, ugly step son in the Suzuki family. If you aren't going to get a cutting edge bike, at least get one that is a good bargain. The Bandit and SV bikes are great. The SV giving the aforementioned FI and aftermarket the Bandit offering value and kicks. The Kanatuna would be my last choice, yes I'd ride a H**da first.
RC? pshhhh...get a TL.
naah see the kanatuna is the bastard child of a gs and a gixxer :thumb:
. . .. . . born by throwing the parts at each other and hoping something comes together :flipoff:
My next bike is a Ducati Supersport 800. Once this bike gets past 5000 mlies or so.
I guess I'm one of the few that likes how the Katana looks... But the lack of low rev power is definitely a big turnoff... I'd like a full faired bike, which is why I'm shying away from the Bandit and SV. I'm not really concerned about what others think of my ride (you should see the cage I sold to buy a GS...) I kind of like the SV100, but I'm not too keen on getting a liter bike. Guess I'll keep my sights on the gixxer. But I'll have to check out an SV, too. Doesn't look like they sell new Bandits, anymore, and I definitely want a new bike. :icon_mrgreen:
Suzuki has factory lower fairings for the SV. There are also some aftermarket lower fairings that look sweet.
check out www.svriders.com
Then look at the SVof the Month threads. Really sweet rides in there.
Umm... I didn't see anything but ads on that site...
what?
http://forum.svrider.com/index.php?topic=66497.0
A litre bike wont be much of a step up from the 750.
A v-twin liter bike probably makes less HP than a GSXR 750. What's it make? 130 HP? Plus it is more usable power. Down low, where you need it.
If you can handle a Gixxer 750, you can handle a v-twin liter bike. I would feel confident jumping on one right now.
I really like a couple of those full faired SV's... But I like how little the gixxers weigh, too... The SV1000 has 50 pounds over the GSX-R750... And the GSX-R1000 only weighs 5 pounds more than the 750...
Yeah. There is no doubt the Gixxer 750 and 1000 are pretty much two of the best and fastest bikes on the planet.
I just don't know if my first priority with a bike is having one that will scare me so bad my colon falls out.
I would prefer to not have to get the motor up to 14,500 RPM to feel some usable power. On a Gixxer, by time you get into the power band, you're going 50 in first gear, 70 in second gear, 80 in third gear, 90 in fourth gear, 110 in fifth gear, 130 in sixth gear and then you either get to talk to the calamari sausage creature, or a cop.
Choose your poison.
Talkin about high revving bikes. I recently rode a 92 kwaka zxr400 - the bike im looking at purchasing. Holy cow that thing was scary fast. It doesn't feel to produce a great lot of torque but get it up to about 7000rpm in first and its like a rocket ship, quick through the gears changing at about 10-11k revs still in the powerband. In sixth at 10k it was doing about 110mph by the time it reached redline at 14500rpm!!!! it was doing 142. This is about what it topped out at w/ full micron race exhaust. Before you call me a squid i did this on an airfield. But that bike revd so high when i had my head behind the bubble it sounded like it was doing 200mph
Maybe a GSX-R600 wouldn't be to small after all...
gsxr-600: good for 160-170
gsxr-750: should do about 175 to 180
gsxr-1k: 186mph for the new models here in europe due to new laws meaning that all bikes have to be capped at 186 but remove the restriction and you should get 190.
hyabusa: 186 over here, unrestricted a dynod one streight out of the factory did 196 without any mods.
the sv650s will do 130mph
the sv thou i would think would pull 150-160 if your good, the sv is more talk due to vtwin engine.
Hey Jason D, I was looking at the Duc supersport 800. Pretty decent bike but has two limitations. 1. It's a Duc so valve adjustments are regular and not cheap. 2. and the bigger one for me, the front suspension is not adjustable. I spent the extra $1000 and bought the Daytona 675. I HIGHLY recommend the experience....
Sounds like a 600 is pleeeenty...
Yea it would be plenty i think, my dad has a Yam thundercat at the moment which is a 600 and that will do 160 flat out and its 6 years old and nowhere near as technical as the new 600's
Quote from: Queso on June 05, 2006, 10:26:14 PM
Plus I like the Katana styling...
You are in the minority. Katunas are ugly as sin. :thumb:
pssshhh get an zz6r their the best bike ever!!!!!!!!!!! :2guns:
after the gs of corse
Quote from: nick_villan on June 08, 2006, 04:32:03 AM
pssshhh get an zz6r their the best bike ever!!!!!!!!!!! :2guns:
after the gs of corse
I won't even consider a non-Suzuki
The ZZR600R is a really good bike. My man nick_villan is right.
That thing has great styling, good ergos, and a gobs of power. It has like 110 hp! Sheeesh! Love, love, love the ZZR600R.
So sexy. Soft skin. Smooth chocolate lips. Glistening. . .
Quote from: Jake D on June 08, 2006, 08:29:24 AM
The ZZR600R is a really good bike. My man nick_villan is right.
That thing has great styling, good ergos, and a gobs of power. It has like 110 hp! Sheeesh! Love, love, love the ZZR600R.
So sexy. Soft skin. Smooth chocolate lips. Glistening. . .
The new one is the old ZX-6R. It's not the best bike though. By far, Kawasaki's best bike is the Z1000. Duh.
yeah but im talking 600, anyways Jake D u got good taste. :cheers:
All I'm really looking for is fast, comfy, and good mileage. An ideal speed commuter. I don't really need a 200 mph race bike.
i read some were that kawasaki uses some siliar things from suzuki cant renember what it wz.
ps. zz6r
Quote from: nick_villan on June 08, 2006, 10:11:49 AM
i read some were that kawasaki uses some siliar things from suzuki cant renember what it wz.
ps. zz6r
I understand.
Anyone seen a Naked Katana or GSX-R?
I gotta wonder if they'd be cool lookin'.
Quote from: RVertigo on June 08, 2006, 10:49:48 AM
Anyone seen a Naked Katana or GSX-R?
I gotta wonder if they'd be cool lookin'.
Yes on the Kat, and it actually looked pretty dope. She's a butterface, but you strip her down to her naked body and the boner juices can start flowin.
Quote from: My Name Is Dave on June 08, 2006, 10:46:30 AM
Quote from: nick_villan on June 08, 2006, 10:11:49 AM
i read some were that kawasaki uses some siliar things from suzuki cant renember what it wz.
ps. zz6r
I understand.
What he is saying is that Kawasaki and Suzuki are owned by the same company. They are sister companies. So you really can't be hatin' on Kawasaki.
Queso, it sounds to me like the ZZR600R would be the perfect bike for you.
BTW, Queso: did your nick name used to be Cheese? Did you live on the same dorm floor as me your freshman year? Did I rip a piece of wood trip off the wall and throw it at you, lancing it through the side of your foot? Just wondering if that was you.
Quote from: Jake D on June 08, 2006, 11:17:46 AM
Quote from: My Name Is Dave on June 08, 2006, 10:46:30 AM
Quote from: nick_villan on June 08, 2006, 10:11:49 AM
i read some were that kawasaki uses some siliar things from suzuki cant renember what it wz.
ps. zz6r
I understand.
What he is saying is that Kawasaki and Suzuki are owned by the same company. They are sister companies. So you really can't be hatin' on Kawasaki.
Queso, it sounds to me like the ZZR600R would be the perfect bike for you.
BTW, Queso: did your nick name used to be Cheese? Did you live on the same dorm floor as me your freshman year? Did I rip a piece of wood trip off the wall and throw it at you, lancing it through the side of your foot? Just wondering if that was you.
I wouldn't own up if it was me lol, id be scared of it happening again :icon_lol:
I just like Suzuki's styling and image. I'll reluctantly review a ZZR.
I've never lived on campus at any college, never been in Montana, and the nickname Queso is just a Spanish word I saw back in elementary that I thought sounded cool, chose it as a "Spanish name" for Spanish class, and it stuck.
Yeah, I've never been in Montana either.
Came out of left field on that one.
My spanish name was Pancho.
Kerry, it is obvious that you and I have a lot in common. :)
:kiss3:
With all the talk of gixxer, bandit and katana... I don't believe anyone mentioned that the katana and bandit have basicly the same motor with a different displacement... Old school oil cooled is just about the same... matter of fact you can slip a 1200 bandit motor into a katana..
Or even better... buy a bandit and put some gsxr 1100 cams in it... that's going to be a hot one..
the katana and bandit have pretty much the same time tested designed motor. The layout of the two engines goes back to the 80's and there's plenty of interchangablity and all kinds of market support. The new gixxer is a different animal entirely... Now if you're looking at a '92 gsxr750 you're looking at the studly grandfather of todays katana motor...
What's MO? Whatever it is, I'm sure I never spent any extended period of time there...
Missouri.
Kansas City, Missouri.
West side of the state. 240 miles west of St. Louis, Missouri.
Population, in the greater metro, of a couple million. 3 professional sports teams.
You consider the Royals a professional sports team? You are generous!
hey my name spanish name in sotuh america was gringo, that was my name for 12 years
Quote from: jbeaber on June 08, 2006, 01:43:48 PM
You consider the Royals a professional sports team? You are generous!
There has always gots to be one a-hole in the bunch! Hey, what do you say I punch you in the f*ckin' temple?
Just kiddin'! :laugh:
Actually... I've recently brought into consideration the V-Strom 1000... There is strong appeal for me in a bike capable of hittin the trails... Or maybe even a DR650... And that's got a Mikuni on it :icon_mrgreen:
BMW GS - you get to keep a legendary name and the bike has a nice engine will perform well on road and off road.
Looking for sporty commuter bike? Did you see the Honda intercepter?
I'd prefer to stay with Suzuki...
Katana pfff please go GSX750R :2guns:
Well... With how much money I've been putting into my GS, I may be keeping it longer than I originally thought... So I prolly will go with the gixxer 750... I'd go with the 750 over the 600 because it seems the 750 has a lot more over the 600 than a few CCs.
Looks, breaking, acceleration, performance, trick bits, top speed, fancy clocks, more people looking at you than at the catwalk, beautiful sound, oh and the option of a gstwins.com sticker on the swingarm to really piss off the gixxer crew :thumb: