Yeah against everything i have encouraged and pleaded he is going to get it cause he only wants to pay for a bike once. I hope that he is mature enough to not be suqidly but i fear that the urge to go fast is going to get him at some point. I am currently pooling a bunch of pics together to show him what happens when a little opps is made very bad by inexperience on a bike, yeah this is his first one. I am also paying for him and myself to take the course again and I am going to try and keep him off of it untill we take the course. If anyone has any links with pics ranginf from not so bad to worst case they would be appriciated. I have a couple from past threads already but the more the better. Oh and i am going with him to get it casue he is going to get it regardless and either it will go in the back of the truck or i will ride it home for him cause that is the last thing that he, not have ridden a motorcycles ever, would need to do cause i don't think that trial by fire slogan applies to motorcycles.
Storys that i can print and let him read are also welcome. Thanks in advance.
That makes me really sad because thats a beautiful bike and its going to end up wrecked. My cousin got a smokin Joe replica for his first bike. Two months, a bowel resection and 65% blood volume loss later the bike was ruined. He got an insurance settlement but it still cost him to buy anyother bike. Its easier and safer to flat out buy a cheap bike to learn on for what the down payment on a new bike would cost. That way if/when its wrecked or dropped you don't cry and wanna dive under your bike as it goes down. :icon_rolleyes: Sounds like hes more of the appearance than the riding...
Meh. I agree. He will probably drop it. But I wouldn't assume that he is going to meet the Sausage Creature on it.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/AlphaFire_X5/GSTwin/92crash/bike09sm.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/AlphaFire_X5/GSTwin/92crash/bike10sm.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/AlphaFire_X5/GSTwin/92crash/bike11sm.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/AlphaFire_X5/GSTwin/92crash/bike08sm.jpg)
ST1300 Before:
(http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Green/Green.jpg)
(http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Green/Green0.jpg)
ST1300 After:
(http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Green/Green1.jpg)
(http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Green/Green2.jpg)
(http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Green/Green3.jpg)
(http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Green/Green4.jpg)
Some more good stuff (or bad...):
(http://img.coxnewsweb.com/C/02/36/35/image_1735362.jpg)
(http://www.sylviastuurman.nl/motor/tips/safety/crash.jpg)
(http://www.recordonline.com/photo/crash907/images/emhdrag3.jpg)
(http://www.news-banner.com/pix/sitegraphics/motorcycle.jpg)
(http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~fingon/avcmc/images/2004_12/poker_crash.jpg)
(http://www.landofopus.com/motorcycle/crash_oct_2005/images/bike_03.jpg)
(http://www.kmil.com/Localnews2003/0703wreck-1.jpg)
(http://www.londonsairambulance.org/Gallery/Types_of_jobs/MotorcycleAccident.jpg)
Honda Hawk: (http://perrigoue.com/motorcycle_accident.html)
(http://perrigoue.com/bike_damage_3.jpg)
(http://perrigoue.com/bike_damage_1.jpg)
(http://perrigoue.com/bike_damage_2.jpg)
Ask him how he'll feel if he drops his brand new Daytona 675 because he didn't know what to do in a situation.
It's going to suck if he drops it for sure, it's an amazing bike. Tell him to goto this fourm and talk to ppl http://www.triumph675.net/ It's a great fourm and they'll recommend against it, but there are ppl who have started and are doign fine, don't write him off already.
This site has some graphic images that might be too much for some, but it's usefullness and educational value to the every day rider is invaluable...
It's got pics, vids, stats, and stories, among other things...
But again, there are some graphic images if you've got a weak stomach...
http://home1.gte.net/res0ak9f/bike.htm
I mean it - VERY VERY VERY graphic...
OMG that is awful enough to put you off biking altogether.
Alpha,
I know this is wrong, but damn, it makes me kinda laugh when I see your totalled out bike. I dont know why, it just does.
I think its cuz your avitar is smiling while next to a badly wrecked GS. I dont know kinda Ironic.
Man that sucks that such a beautiful bike is going to go to waste. Don't know why but i have been hearing people say that lately. " I only want to pay for just one bike" :cookoo: Oh well hopefully your friend wisens (sp*) up but if not then good luck.
Remind me not to show that website to my girlfiriend
Yeah, I couldn't even get thru the whole site. It's bad way down at the bottom (shudder)
Let me clarify. He has a pretty level head now and has done a lot of maturing since our younger days. He is just the type that thinks as long as he is careful why spend money one a smaller bike only to sell it and get a bigger one in a year or two. I can see his point of view, however much i disagree, however, i can't stop it from happening. He is going to buy it flat out as well. I am going with him to get it and am going to make damn sure that he takes the MSF class. i have made that offer to everyone that i know who would like a bike. I mean if i take the class 80 times it can't hurt me. I just want to make sure he knows what "can" happen wether it be from rider error or the error of an in-attentive driver in or on anything. That is my purpose as of right now, I mean I can't stop him from doing anything but i am going to be there to give him the best start that i possibly can, thats what friends are for. So keep em coming the more stuff i have the more reason he might have to actually think and not make a really stupid error that costs him more than money can bring back.
Has everyone watched the video right at the bottom of the page . . . :o
I don't see why if he's lvl headed why he cannot get the 675, if he's dead set on it. I do know some people that have started on supersports and have not droped it or crashed. It's cool that you are taking the MSF course with him.
A smaller bike is less forgiving and easier to learn on but when people want something they are not going to change their mind.
Best you can do is what you have done take the MSF with him, make sure he rides with gear. Maybe while taking the MSF ask one of the instructors what they think about getting a supersport for a 1st bike. . .maybe he will listen to him / her.
The only reason to get a bigger bike is realize how much fun you can have on a small bike.
Has he priced insurance?
Tires?
Chain and sprockets?
A replacement set of plastics? (I know...he'll get frame sliders, and insurance will cover the plastics... :icon_rolleyes: )
Yeah he has priced insurance, $700 a yeah through state farm. Tires, chains and stuff are par for the course when it comes to Motos. And i think I let him discover the price of plastics on his own when he does cause I have already told him that old addage about how there are two type of riders, those who have gone down and those that will. I know him and I also know that he will not change his mind. What I am out to do is make sure he understands what can happen, not what will, I don't like to look at it that way cause he is one of my closest friends. Once he knows all that can happen and i get him started on the right path its up to him and hopefully he listens to the advice of more experienced riders and takes it really easy.
After riding the the 600RR for a month now, I'm fully convinced super sport bikes are NOT the category to start in despite what the squidly say. It's like how Sport Riding Techniques describes it. The throttle control is the most ridiculous control on a bike and in the hands of an inexperienced rider, it's down right dangerous and life threatening. Good luck with your friend.
And on top of that the 675 is one of the most hideous sport bikes I've ever seen (along with the new R6). You can tell your friend that he shouldn't get it because you don't want to see him riding a motorcycle that's as ugly as sin.
Quote from: roguegeek on June 21, 2006, 12:17:54 PM
And on top of that the 675 is one of the most hideous sport bikes I've ever seen (along with the new R6). You can tell your friend that he shouldn't get it because you don't want to see him riding a motorcycle that's as ugly as sin.
:laugh: :laugh: Funny thing is he loves the way it looks and the R6 was his first choice till the daytona came out. I am just going to tell him what he needs to do when and if he gets it and hope for the best. But i agree with the throttle problem, one little twist can sure put you in a world of hurt if you don't have the experience to help with what happens next...
One interesting thing i have noticed abut the 675 (the SEXIEST bike ever made) vs the SV is the difference in the amount of twist required for full throttle. It's 2/3 of the rotation required for the SV. One of the many reasons my girlfriend can no longer keep up (she had the advantage for a year, payback is fun!)
Off topic a bit but on another forum I was reading a person just finished his MSF course Sunday but had been practicing on his new bike before he took the corse.
Yeah he has 06 busa limited. :o
Alright. I have a real problem with people like this because they'll eventually do something stupid on these bikes that will require a call to theirs or someone else's insurance company. What does this do? Continues to give responsible riders bad reps and increases bike insurance premiums for all. I really don't want to be paying what Canadians are paying for insurance. Please tell your friend to not be an idiot.
Oh, you could move to a different bike yourself and let him use the GS to gain experience. That would at least be safer.
Quote from: blue05twin on June 21, 2006, 01:58:38 PM
Off topic a bit but on another forum I was reading a person just finished his MSF course Sunday but had been practicing on his new bike before he took the corse.
Yeah he has 06 busa limited. :o
Yeah i was at the bike shop In Roanoke and two 16-18 yr olds with parents who had just got their class Ms were getting busas. They had taken the course on their moped and had practiced enouph they were ready for a BIG bike. Parents signed and off they went... The salesman informed them that there was the MSF safty course that he recomended and they snickered and said it was a waist of good gas money. Now my friend want's to take the class and read the this could happen you book I am making and wants advice on everything. That is why I am not so worried but still bothered by his desicion to get a 'good' bike first.
Quote from: roguegeek on June 21, 2006, 02:09:46 PM
Alright. I have a real problem with people like this because they'll eventually do something stupid on these bikes that will require a call to theirs or someone else's insurance company. What does this do? Continues to give responsible riders bad reps and increases bike insurance premiums for all. I really don't want to be paying what Canadians are paying for insurance. Please tell your friend to not be an idiot.
Oh, you could move to a different bike yourself and let him use the GS to gain experience. That would at least be safer.
I wish that i could do that, hell if i owned my bike i would give it to him to ride and possibly trash and get another bike myself. Then when he was done i would take the bike or the peices and sell them. I don't think he will intentionally be an idot, in fact i don't think he will be an idiot at all. Plus, i would beg to differ that if a inexperienced, jackass off any age gets a motorcycle of any sort is the one who gets the fast non-beginner badged bike is only going to find the ditch, car, wall, post, windshield ....... a lot faster than the one on the beginner bike ...... at most 2 seconds faster.