With my GS haha no. Just bought a CBR F3 a couple weeks ago so I decided to go cruising around on Wannamaker (a road here in town where everyone cruises/ races). So yeah ridin along and I see this yellow corvette ahead of me then I go to turn around and go back down Wannamaker the other way and I guess the guy in the vette waited for me or someone else either way we turned onto Wannamaker side by side. And I went to pass the guy and he started giving it some gas so I was like yay someone to play with and gave the bike a bit of gas too but, it really didnt last long it was over before I got out of second which is also what it all started in. That wasnt too exciting though but next red light we get side by side so when the light turned I just kinda started off slow to see if he was going to go or not and he did so I leaned on the tank and gave the bike everything it had and killed him by the time first gear was gone so, I just shifted to fourth and rolled into a parking lot to let the bike cool off that and I was shaking real bad. But yeah that was fun. My $2600 bike whooping his $50k car with almost 10 times the displacement. And I get a hell of alot better gas milage :).
Yeah and how much does the Vette weigh????
Must not have been a new Z06.
Quote from: ajgs500 on July 03, 2006, 03:12:58 AM
Yeah and how much does the Vette weigh????
bout 3200 lbs
I didn't believe a Vette weighs that much so I looked it up. Yup, sure enough, just about 3200 lbs. Wow, my 4-door AWD hunk of steel family sedan weighs 3200 lbs and can make almost as much power as the Vette. HAHA wow and I was always scared of them in a straight line.
ANYWAY, even with the new Z06 it wouldn't have had a chance, until about 130mph
I think your CBR could beat just about any car south of $300k off the line... nevertheless it is still a good feeling :thumb:
I hate to be that guy but,.... the guy in the ZO6 let you win... Cars were my passion before i gotta bike and that ZO6 is no joke. :nono:. He problaly seen what you had the first time you guys rolled it and seen that you didnt have enough so he problaly was playing with ya.
Im sorry if im coming off as if im hating on you but... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: the Z06 is a sick F#$kin car. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Good story none the less!
Quote from: LimaXray on July 03, 2006, 07:06:48 AM
I didn't believe a Vette weighs that much so I looked it up. Yup, sure enough, just about 3200 lbs. Wow, my 4-door AWD hunk of steel family sedan weighs 3200 lbs and can make almost as much power as the Vette. HAHA wow and I was always scared of them in a straight line.
ANYWAY, even with the new Z06 it wouldn't have had a chance, until about 130mph
I think your CBR could beat just about any car south of $300k off the line... nevertheless it is still a good feeling :thumb:
you might want to lower that 300k figure....
I saw a video of a Maxed out Supra toast a hayabusa.
I crapped my pants when I saw that
Quote from: TadMC on July 03, 2006, 08:30:54 AM
I saw a video of a Maxed out Supra toast a hayabusa.
I crapped my pants when I saw that
Yeah i seen that one.... Did you see the one with the viper?
There is also a crazy one with a lingfelter vette ate these two busas alive. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
It was a C5. Ive barely seen any C6's around here much less a Z06. I got to test drive a C6 in a parking lot with some pissed off Austrailian guy in there. I wasnt really impressed but then again it was in a parking lot. I like my bike better.
Oh yeah I think the guy i bought my CBR from said the guy before him changed the sprockets or a sprocket but I dont know for sure so, maybe that had something to do with it. The guy in the vette couldnt really drive either he spun the tires after shifts but I still dont think him not doing that woulda helped him much.
:laugh: hell of a lotta difference between an ls1 (350 hp) and the ls7 (505 hp) vettes ;)
The the C5 Z06's had 400 hp. The 350 hp was whatever the other non Z06's had.
I don't think you can really compare a car to a bike though. Two completely different things. You may be faster in a straight line, but I bet that corvette could out corner you.
Quote from: porsche4786 on July 03, 2006, 10:25:15 AM
I don't think you can really compare a car to a bike though. Two completely different things. You may be faster in a straight line, but I bet that corvette could out corner you.
Maybe but I just got the bike so Im not quite used to it in the corners and who couldnt drive a car to its limits through a corner not so much fear of screwing up (nice big steel cage to protect you instead of fractions of an inch of fabric).
And for those of you who fear these Z06's heres the 1/4 mile time from road and track magazine
"the Z06 dispatches the quarter-mile in 12.3 sec. at 116.6 mph". <---- Thats a C6 (505hp 427 cu in.) mind you.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=7&article_id=2781&page_number=2
From bikez.com I found the CBR F3's 1/4 mile time is 11.3 sec. but Im not really sure I trust that site too much so Ill look around some more.
Along with the comment on the car being quicker through the turns given not the same vehicles but both professional drivers/riders, if not, alot closer than me. And arent the 600's supposed to be better handling than the litre bikes.
http://www.gofastvideo.com/gallery/item/predownload/449/1/free-racing-videos/lamborghini-gallardo.html
Quote from: batmx3man on July 03, 2006, 10:42:55 AM
Quote from: porsche4786 on July 03, 2006, 10:25:15 AM
I don't think you can really compare a car to a bike though. Two completely different things. You may be faster in a straight line, but I bet that corvette could out corner you.
Maybe but I just got the bike so Im not quite used to it in the corners and who couldnt drive a car to its limits through a corner not so much fear of screwing up (nice big steel cage to protect you instead of fractions of an inch of fabric).
And for those of you who fear these Z06's heres the 1/4 mile time from road and track magazine
"the Z06 dispatches the quarter-mile in 12.3 sec. at 116.6 mph". <---- Thats a C6 (505hp 427 cu in.) mind you.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=7&article_id=2781&page_number=2
From bikez.com I found the CBR F3's 1/4 mile time is 11.3 sec. but Im not really sure I trust that site too much so Ill look around some more.
Most all sports cars and out handle a bike. If you have equal rider/driver.
Aight well I found two more sources for the 11.3 1/4 mile time on the F3 so I guess thats got to be about right and an 11.7 from some guys personal review of the thing.
http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mchonda/cbr600f3.html
http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_street_bike_performance_times/
http://www.powersportsnetwork.com/motorcyclereviewdetail/rv=2124/veh=4428/review2124.htm
Quote from: porsche4786 on July 03, 2006, 08:29:27 AM
you might want to lower that 300k figure....
Nah, I was thinking stock performance and I don't think there are too many stock cars out there that can rip a 600cc SS off the line. You would need a pretty light car with a pretty powerful engine to come close to the power to weight ratio of a bike. I think if you want that kind of performance you're looking into the super car range. (the Carrera GT, one of the fastest cars tested on Top Gear, does the 1/4 in 11.4 seconds, and is $440k msrp)
But yeah there are Supras and Vettes and Vipers that can smack around a 'busa, but that's cause they're making 800-1000 bhp and they aren't very stock.
Can a sports car really out handle a sport bike? I kinda want to call BS on that. I've always been under the impression bikes were more nimble than cars, but maybe I'm wrong.
carrera 4 against r1= carrera wins around a track. on top gear
edit: i still belive that you cannot really compare a bike and a car. they are different. we all know MOST bikes are faster in a straight line. but on a track, it doesn't take too much of a car to beat it.
Havent we had this discussion before???? Really who gives 2 sh&*%???
If you didnt give "2 sh&*%" you wouldnt have read it much less post a reply. Can always just not read it.
Yeah JEEZ AJ, not every thread is going to win a pulitzer (sp)
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=11345.0
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=26539.0
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=27152.0
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=10810.0
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=16223.0
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=15995.0
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=9523.0
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=14083.0
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=4226.0
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=20230.0
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=10367.0
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=23704.0
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=25095.0
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=5426.0
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=19691.0
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=19824.0
Oh and you are all a bunch of squids :flipoff: :flipoff: :flipoff:
Go to heck with your search function
Quote from: ajgs500 on July 03, 2006, 03:45:07 PM
Oh and you are all a bunch of squids :flipoff: :flipoff: :flipoff:
:flipoff: :2guns:
Oh you know I'm right. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I've never understood comparing bikes to cars.
I hate to be Captain Obvious, but you're comparing a motorcycle to a car - period. I'd EXPECT an F3 to beat a Z06 in a dragrace.
Look at it this way:
The guy owns a Z06. Chances are if he's got a bike it's way nicer than an F3 CBR, or if he wanted to buy a bike he'd shoot right on past the F3 and get something newer, lighter, more powerful, handles better, etc. etc.
Did outrunning the Vette actually surprise you though?
EDIT:
To answer the "Cars vs. bikes" question in terms of which is quicker around a road course it's an easy win for cars. Look at overall fastest laps for any major circuit and the cars easily hand bikes their asses. Cars have much more grip, much more room for aero packages/downforce, etc and WAY more power which can equate into better power:weight ratios than even superbikes.
...but on the street, in a dragrace, most of the time 600cc sportbikes should hand a lot of expensive sportscars their own asses.
actually i read an artical last year and it was a 1 liter bike against a supped up skyline and a kawa 600 against a vette 400 hp and around the track the bikes were faster..... accelaration bikes faster.... slalom bike faster....... braking distance cars won that section and that was it bikes took it !!!!
Quote from: B18C5-EH2 on July 05, 2006, 08:53:04 AM
I've never understood comparing bikes to cars.
I hate to be Captain Obvious, but you're comparing a motorcycle to a car - period. I'd EXPECT an F3 to beat a Z06 in a dragrace.
Look at it this way:
The guy owns a Z06. Chances are if he's got a bike it's way nicer than an F3 CBR, or if he wanted to buy a bike he'd shoot right on past the F3 and get something newer, lighter, more powerful, handles better, etc. etc.
Did outrunning the Vette actually surprise you though?
EDIT:
To answer the "Cars vs. bikes" question in terms of which is quicker around a road course it's an easy win for cars. Look at overall fastest laps for any major circuit and the cars easily hand bikes their asses. Cars have much more grip, much more room for aero packages/downforce, etc and WAY more power which can equate into better power:weight ratios than even superbikes.
...but on the street, in a dragrace, most of the time 600cc sportbikes should hand a lot of expensive sportscars their own asses.
thank you :bowdown:
Quote from: ets_gs500f2004 on July 05, 2006, 11:21:40 AM
actually i read an artical last year and it was a 1 liter bike against a supped up skyline and a kawa 600 against a vette 400 hp and around the track the bikes were faster..... accelaration bikes faster.... slalom bike faster....... braking distance cars won that section and that was it bikes took it !!!!
Look man iim not saying you didn't see such an article, bit I will say that I trust circuit times of real, professional racers on the vehicles they're best at lapping tracks with more than some independant source that may hve been either biased or had dumbasses riding/driving different vehicles.
I'll see if I can dig up some Laguna seca laptimes for Moto GP versus different types of racecars.
This very topic could literally be it's own topic all by itself.
I have a video of Tiff Needel (5th gear host, and professional racecar driver) drive a carrera 4 around their test track, then he has a professional motorcycle rider do the same. I will try and dig up that video and upload it to the web......
from a roll, the vette would win. whats the trap speed of the vette vs. the bike? the only reason the bike is quartering sooo much faster, is the fact you can 0-60 way quicker due to weight.
Ding Ding Ding
Quote from: xeril on July 05, 2006, 10:59:51 PM
from a roll, the vette would win. whats the trap speed of the vette vs. the bike? the only reason the bike is quartering sooo much faster, is the fact you can 0-60 way quicker due to weight.
I beat the Vette from a roll the first time. And I didnt even get a good start. 2nd gear at about 3k rpm's bike doesnt really hit the power band until 6 or 7k which is when it was all over for the Vette. Im pretty sure the car couldve done alot better with a better driver the guy like to spin his tires (have to show off all that power you know).
Quote from: porsche4786 on July 05, 2006, 03:44:43 PM
I have a video of Tiff Needel (5th gear host, and professional racecar driver) drive a carrera 4 around their test track, then he has a professional motorcycle rider do the same. I will try and dig up that video and upload it to the web......
Top of page two dude 5th gear clip of a Lamborghini (sp?) vs. Ducati 999 around a track. Ducati barely wins but they were saying the 999 couldve gone faster had he been able to keep the front wheel on the ground more often. Probably not gonna happen but the bike won. They were both pro. or at least well seasoned rider/ drivers so it was pretty damn fair. Neither vehicle was race preped (sp?).
And for those who take this bike vs. car way too seriously I just was sharing a story. Holy crap calm down. I dont give a damn if the guy with the vette has a bike or not (probably not) I just love the fact I can destroy his ass on the street from light to light (which is what most people with muscle cars brag about, yeah a know the vette is a sports car but most stupid ass rednecks dont. Its American so its a muscle car whatever) with something that is way cheaper and gets at least twice the MPG even when I rev the piss out of it. Its nice to be able to take rich old people down a notch every now and then.
Quote from: B18C5-EH2 on July 05, 2006, 03:33:01 PM
Quote from: ets_gs500f2004 on July 05, 2006, 11:21:40 AM
actually i read an artical last year and it was a 1 liter bike against a supped up skyline and a kawa 600 against a vette 400 hp and around the track the bikes were faster..... accelaration bikes faster.... slalom bike faster....... braking distance cars won that section and that was it bikes took it !!!!
Look man iim not saying you didn't see such an article, bit I will say that I trust circuit times of real, professional racers on the vehicles they're best at lapping tracks with more than some independant source that may hve been either biased or had dumbasses riding/driving different vehicles.
I'll see if I can dig up some Laguna seca laptimes for Moto GP versus different types of racecars.
This very topic could literally be it's own topic all by itself.
the biker was a moto gp racer before now he teach in a ss program but cant remember wich one..... the car driver is a racer but cant remember in what kind of car races he was all they said it was that he was good.... and when your racing in a pack its harder to push on it cause you dont have the space you would like
Quote from: batmx3man on July 06, 2006, 12:45:51 AM
And for those who take this bike vs. car way too seriously I just was sharing a story. Holy crap calm down. I dont give a damn if the guy with the vette has a bike or not (probably not) I just love the fact I can destroy his ass on the street from light to light (which is what most people with muscle cars brag about, yeah a know the vette is a sports car but most stupid ass rednecks dont. Its American so its a muscle car whatever) with something that is way cheaper and gets at least twice the MPG even when I rev the piss out of it.
I guess I'll be the one to take it too seriously.
:)
You're the type of guy I have to bite my tongue around when I'm at a meet, whether it be for cars or bikes. There's always this guy who has a mediocre car at best who keeps flapping his gums at guys with nicer, faster cars, and when the guy finally gets called out for it he'll ramble off "well let me go get my bike" or whatever. It's just completely obvious that a bike
SHOULD be faster than even expensive cars in a dragrace on the street. I guess if you're still arguing the point after reading all the replies you're just not going to get what I'm saying.
QuoteIts nice to be able to take rich old people down a notch every now and then.
Oh come on! Do you
REALLY think that guy in the Vette was jealous of you on a bike that's almost a decade old? How exactly is some guy (you) on an old
BIKE supposed to be knocking a guy in a Vette "down a rung" anyways?
Oh well. Have fun making Ferrari and Lambo owners yearn for a decade old 600cc motorcycle after you show them who's boss!
;)
Most bikes are faster than most cars. Therefore beating a car on your bike is not impressive. End of story. I've seen this exact same post on countless car and bike boards. Usually a guy on a car board says "I beat a bike with my blah, blah, blah..." Then in come the biker boyz to defend the bikes: "well with a good rider the bike would have walked the car blah, blah, blah..." WHO FRIGGIN CARES! Any vehicle can beat any other vehicle in a race. Miss a shift? You lose. Spin tire(s), you lose. Snooze at the light, you lose. There is a lot more than just power to weight ratio that determines the out come of a race....get pulled over by a cop while racing, you lose! LOL.
Quote from: batmx3man on July 06, 2006, 12:45:51 AM
Quote from: porsche4786 on July 05, 2006, 03:44:43 PM
I have a video of Tiff Needel (5th gear host, and professional racecar driver) drive a carrera 4 around their test track, then he has a professional motorcycle rider do the same. I will try and dig up that video and upload it to the web......
Top of page two dude 5th gear clip of a Lamborghini (sp?) vs. Ducati 999 around a track. Ducati barely wins but they were saying the 999 couldve gone faster had he been able to keep the front wheel on the ground more often. Probably not gonna happen but the bike won. They were both pro. or at least well seasoned rider/ drivers so it was pretty damn fair. Neither vehicle was race preped (sp?).
Okay,
dude, I'm talking about a Carrera 4 vs an R1 though.
Quote from: batmx3man on July 06, 2006, 12:45:51 AM
I just love the fact I can destroy his ass on the street from light to light
*cough,
squid, cough* :flipoff: :laugh:
But enough with all this crap, lets hug and kiss and just say who gives a rats ass!
A lambo vs an R1? Who cares? Even if the car is faster, the R1 has a price tag about 6-10 times lower. People are gonna drive what they wanna drive. If someone beat my civic on an R6, would I be angry? No, because despite my 16-year-old dream of modding an import to be a road machine, 4 years later at 20, I realize that my civic is in fact an economical grocery getter (that I do, occasionally, enjoy driving fast).
Just like when I bought my GS, I had no delusions of going out and racing it. It's a good beginner bike for someone like me that doesn't have the experience to handle the power of a supersport.
So, in the end, who cares.. they all have wheels and engines.. just drive them.
Quote from: Altephor on July 06, 2006, 08:48:44 AM
A lambo vs an R1? Who cares?
He actually said lambo vs 999....
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
QuoteOkay, dude, I'm talking about a Carrera 4 vs an R1 though.
Difference being? Both super car (or highend sports car) vs. super bike. Both work as an example just saying no need for another one of the same.
QuoteA lambo vs an R1? Who cares?
Someone, or the video would have never been made. Most of you, or none of these comments would have been made.
QuoteIt's a good beginner bike for someone like me that doesn't have the experience to handle the power of a supersport.
Ditto. Thats why I bought mine last summer. $750 and something thats not super powerful. So, if I drop it in my driveway I dont care and something I could handle.
Why did I buy my F3? Half hour, at least, ride to school on the highway everyday. GS has no wind protection and not much power on the highway, F3 solves that. So would a SV650 which I looked for but couldnt find a good deal on one. That and I like the way the F3 looks better. Thats for those of you who like to think people just run out and buy powerful bikes cause they have the money and dont know better or whatever.
QuoteYou're the type of guy I have to bite my tongue around when I'm at a meet, whether it be for cars or bikes. There's always this guy who has a mediocre car at best who keeps flapping his gums at guys with nicer, faster cars, and when the guy finally gets called out for it he'll ramble off "well let me go get my bike" or whatever.
Why not hold your tongue now then? I have a car that gets me from place to place its a p.o.s. I hate it lots of times. My bike is my speed, no need to flap my gums about my car. If someone is going to call me out its going to be cause of my bike. Im not retarded I know how fast it can go I dont brag about stuff thats not mine.
The only reason this guy in the Vette was down there the other night was to race, show off, whatever. I even talked to him after pulling into a parking lot. He thought my bike ran good, I said yup. Damn me for running my mouth and getting called out.
QuoteIts nice to be able to take rich old people down a notch every now and then.
Oh come on! Do you REALLY think that guy in the Vette was jealous of you on a bike that's almost a decade old? How exactly is some guy (you) on an old BIKE supposed to be knocking a guy in a Vette "down a rung" anyways?
Oh well. Have fun making Ferrari and Lambo owners yearn for a decade old 600cc motorcycle after you show them who's boss!
Not trying to say he was jealous of my decade old bike just saying I showed him, out there showing off his Vette, that its not as hot as he might think. I dont even care if he is jealous of it if he is awesome I guess if not whatever next time he will know not to mess with a decade old bike.
How does the age of the vehicle matter anyways people love and drive and hotrod out cars from the 30's on up (maybe even earlier). Its taste, fool. People yearn for cars from the 60's with their oh so amazing drum brakes, leaf springs, no power anything, and big gas guzzling V8's.