A week later and this lien is still not released. Seller has not picked up his phone since Thursday, when he told me he would send me all the necessary paperwork. I still do not have it.
Faxing HSBC today, but considering what I've read of their customer service and lien release policies, chances are I will not be riding this summer.
Go beat the hell outta that dude
I'm gonna do it for you..I know where he lives the fucker.... :mad: I'm someone you don't want to get mad...it doesn't happen very often and when it does, you better watch out.
If there's gonna be a slap-down, I'm placing my bet on Pastrami. Go get 'em, grl!!! :mad:
what state is this, ill come to watch, and maybe help out if OP gets behind in the fight
Well he said he has all the documentation.. I PMed him on ride-ny but he hasn't logged on there since the day he sold it to me.
Whats his address and ill mail him a bomb.
Now that wont fix your problem but you'll be even
Sorry. We at GSTwin cannot condone violence of any sort. I have no doubt that Ms. Pastrami would be able to beat 'em down with that magnificent brain of hers, and her gift of communication. (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a146/pandyz/angel.gif)
All my gear just got here too, over the weekend, and I can't even use it. I can't sell the bike because I don't have a CT title yet, and even if I did only dumbasses like me buy bikes with a lien on them. HSBC has been of little help.
man dont be hard on your self, ya didnt know.
How much did ya pay again?
if you have his address, I would send him a nice little official sounding letter by registered mail saying something to the fact of 'fix this issue or i'm taking you to court Buddha Loves You' but a bit more professional than that of course. the letter should be enough to scare the pants off him to get his ass into high gear about getting it resolved, so hopefully you would never have to actually go to court.
do you have a bill of sale on the bike? some sort of hand writen contract that you purchased the bike from him? depending on the laws in your area, you may be able to take him to small claims court without the need of a lawyer, and with some sort of bill of sale it's a sure win for you (maybe even the signed title would be fine).
I paid 2900. The bill of sale he gave me is crap. He didn't even sign it.. I didn't notice that til after he left. It's just hand written, like two sentences. I guess they don't have actual bills of sale in NY.
All this crap just makes me want to ride less and less. At this point I just sorta want my money back.
I talked to the Admin at Ride-NY about this. He's a good friend of mine. Don't let it get down about riding. You should still be able to register the bike and ride it despite the lien. I know in NY, the lien only matters when it comes to insurance. Altephor can you PM the address listed on the title just to make sure I have the same one? It's cool if you don't want to.
PM sent. I know I can register it, but if he's really screwing me and the lien isn't paid off, then I'm in real trouble.
Zac suggested posting a PUBLIC message to him on Ride-NY telling him that he needs to get his butt moving. Public humilation is always good. Worst comes to worst theres always small claims court or like LimaXray said...at the very least a threatening letter. His email address that he used to register on the Ride-NY site is acuracreed@hotmail.com
:oops: I feel awful for getting you into this mess.
I'm PM'ing you his fathers house number. Stupid immature kids....time to talk to the parents I think :thumb:
It's not your fault.
The public message on ride-ny wouldn't do much, because he hasn't logged into the site since July 1st. I PMed one of his friends on there in hopes of contacting him, but his friend hasn't logged on since I sent him the message. His last login date is the 6th. I will try e-mailing him at that address.
And I don't think I can register until I have the release, because in CT if there's a lien the title goes to the Lienholder. Rather not deal with THAT hassle.
I just received an e-mail from the seller, after I e-mailed him again today telling him that if he didn't contact me soon I may have to take legal action. He replied saying that he didn't appreciate being threatened and that threatening him wasn't going to get him to do me any 'favors'. I replied saying that if he just sent me what I need we wouldn't have a problem.
Did he reply that he was in fact goign to be sending you the documentation?
No. He didn't. Also, pastrana, I tried that number for his house.. I asked for him and they said he didn't live there and that they didn't have a phone number for him.
I'm getting fed up.
I just called back. It was his dad that answered before and I spoke with him a little about getting it cleared up. He said he has no contact number for his son, only e-mail or 'when he stops by', which made NO sense to me. The title had that address on it. He said he would speak to his son and ask him about it.. which essentially means.. I'm not going to help you at all.
Have any friends in the legal business? A phone call from an attorney (or at least someone who sounds like an attorney and has a good knowledge of the law ;)) has usually cleared up just about every little 'hiccup' I've ever had when dealing with private party sales like this.
Well I'm hoping to deal with this without bringing legal action near it. IF the loan is paid, and the lienholder can release it, there's no problem I can get the release straight from them, hopefully.
If it's NOT paid, then we're going to have a big problem.
He just e-mailed me again saying he'd send me what I need. We'll see if it happens this time :icon_rolleyes:.
Here's hoping for a peaceful resolution... :cheers:
Same here. Riding the bike around the parking lot in full gear probably looks rediculous.
Better than not riding it at all! :thumb: My good wishes for a good resolution, too. Hopefully it'll all be cleared up in short order, and you can get down to the business of riding! :icon_mrgreen:
Quote from: vengeful on July 10, 2006, 11:34:40 AM
Here's hoping for a peaceful resolution... :cheers:
+1 crossing my fingers for ya buddy :cheers:
Don't let it turn you off from riding though. I bought my gs last May. It had less than 1000 miles on it and its a 93. The poor lil bike just needed a new head, got on the board and had it fixed up in less than two weeks. When did I get to ride my gs on the road legally ? January. It sucked. My bike had passed through so many hands while it was broken that the NY DMV wasn't sure who even owned it at this point. The last time it had been registered was when it was taken from the dealer in Ohio. I put nearly 100 miles on it just up and down my driveway. That first trip out was sooo sweet. I spent the time getting to know my bike and bonding :laugh:
It was worth the wait..i got impatient along the way and wanted to say screw it but now i wouldn't get rid of it now no matter what.
Well basically if this isn't resolved by the end of august I won't be able to ride until May. Which is a fairly rediculous amount of wait time. Not to mention, if he IS trying to screw me over, I have to go through legal shaZam! and pay attorney fees.. :cry:
not for nothing, but how about trying to contact the lein holder and asking them what to do?
I am faxing the lienholder today (might be done already my dad is faxing it from his office). The holder is Household Retail Services, which I have not read flattering things about. Hopefully I am faxing it to the right place, I went through about 3 automated customer service, and 2 people.. finally was told that the titles office doesn't have a phone number, and that I had to fax everything to them and they would get back to me. So.. hopefully they do that, and hopefully they can send me a letter of release.
I figured it'd be smarter to ask the lienholder as well as go after the seller so hopefully one side will at least work out.
Well...if he really is trying to jerk you around, and you do take legal action, and you win, you can force him to pay your legal fees by rolling that into your lawsuit - because, well, if he had just kept up his part of the contract, you wouldn't have had to hire a lawyer and take his lazy, selfish ass to court :2guns:. :thumb:
That is true but I still would like to avoid legal actions because they take so much time. I have to go back to school in a month and a half. Time that should be filled with riding.
Wait a sec, if I remember, you do have this bike no? If you do, just make it a track bike....?
Thats is, if you cant do ANYTHING with it....you could always do that right?
Don't have the money, know how, a nearby track, or a way to transport the bike there. It's not a viable option.
hope u get it resolved soon man. my co-worker sold me the bike more than a month ago lost the title so we gotto apply to get a dup so i can register it n get the plate sticker. for now i only ride it around the block at night :( another 4 weeks *sigh
He e-mailed me again today saying that the bank was going to send him another copy of the lien release (he couldn't find the one he had) and that he would snail mail it to me.
Isn't it possible for the lienholder to fax him a copy that he can then fax to you? You'd still want the originals, but at least you'd have some comfort that you WOULD get the items (and that they actually exist)?
Apparantly you have to have the original or a notorized copy in order to get the lien removed. But I'll try for the faxed copy, at least.
The faxed copy is just to give YOU peace of mind while everything's in the mail. Otherwise, you're waiting for at least a week or so, still not knowing whether something will show up in your mailbox. :cry:
Alright well it will apparantly be 7-10 business days to send it to him, then figure another 2 or so to get to me. It'll be a long two weeks.
I would tell him to scan and email you a copy or fax a copy to you once he gets it. And hold onto that bill of sale and any documentaion on your end that you might have from the purchase. If you are getting the run around just take the bike back and get a refund and let him straighten it out, it shouldn't be your responsability to prove that you now own a bike that has someone elses' debt in it. Then if he refuses don't ride it, get a court order to release the lein information on the bike you purchased and sue.
This is rediculous. I don't trust the seller at all, so I went directly to the lienholder, which is Household Retail Services. I have since then been given about 15000 different numbers to call, only to find that I have to fax them a copy of the title and a request for release. I did that two days ago. Today I called the DMV to see if they could do anything about it, and they gave me yet ANOTHER number for the lienholder, who I then called and went through all the hoops again. They gave me a number to fax to, which I hope is the same one that I got a few days ago, otherwise who knows where my info is going.
What the hell kind of company has a title department with no phone number. That's rediculous. I'm just supposed to rely on a fax that may or may not be going to the right place? I mean there has to be a phone SOMEWHERE in that department why the hell can't they just give me the damn number.
http://www.complaints.com/march2002/complaintoftheday.march15.2.htm
Check this out. They may be under investigation for fraud.
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HOUSEHOLD RETAIL SERVICES is the most unprofessional, incompetent company I have ever had the displeasure of doing business with.
http://www.complaints.com/august2003/complaintoftheday.august26.32.htm
http://www.laborlawtalk.com/showthread.php?t=92665
Report #3 talks about a lein release from this company.
I've seen both of those, which is why I'm kind of worried.
Well.. somewhat good news.. two different customer service reps gave me the same number! :icon_rolleyes:
So my info was faxed to that number two days ago.. and they said it takes 7-10 days :bs: so maybe I'll be riding soon?
Jeez, this just goes on and on.
Hope it all gets sorted soon.
Yeah you're telling me. My nice, new to me GS is out there all alone...