Well regular gas just hit $3.30 a gallon here, premium at $3.50. I sure can't wait for the first hurricane to come along so they can jack the price up to like $5.00!!! :mad: Seems like it won't be to long and it take more than $20.00 to fill up the GS. :bs:
we pay way more than that up here in canada
3.30/gallon is a steal here for gas. we haven't seen those prices in a long time.
we pay £1 a litre so you should think yourself lucky :cookoo:
yeah for real and in south america its even worse
yep recently went to canada, its way more for gas. consider your self lucky
You don't have to wait for a hurricane. Thanks to the new war in the middle east ,that would Israel vs Lebanon, the price of crude oil ,specifically sweet crude that the US likes so much, has hit $78 a barrel and is holding. So expect the price of gas to jump another forty to fifty cents.
And yes if you saw what they pay in Europe you would cry. If it hit that much here. Well we americans would just complain louder. And expect a bigger discount on our new Tahoe to offset it.
Quote from: Kasumi on July 15, 2006, 02:54:45 PM
we pay £1 a litre so you should think yourself lucky :cookoo:
That's alot, is there any subsidization?
US$3.30/gal is great! :o I haven't seen the equivalent here in Aus that low for ages. I just filled up today (which coincidentally happed to be reasonably cheap) at AU$1.399/L, or for those who don't want to do the conversions.... US$3.96/gal
Down here in South Louisiana it is 2.80 a gallon. I guess there is always a reference point that one can plug as to how fortunate we are that we don't live in blah blah blah. The real truth of this matter is that it sucks. Those bastards have us where they want us and there ain't gonna be any let-up. It used to take a little over 20 bucks to fill up the Jeep. Now it takes damn near 60.
The cost of gas plus all the damn taxes added to it are killing us. Let us NOT forget "price gouging". I can vividly remember gas being 27 cents a gallon. I realize that all things have risen in price but this recent jump is beyond belief. It is all about profit. And let us not forget those sorry bastards that are supposed to be representing us in Congress have ever so helped all this along.
"Big Oil" has hindered any development of alternate fuel but so have the tree huggers that don't want any more refineries or public utilities being built (on "their" property/state) but expect stability of the system. Damn them all.
Well about $.50 to $.60 a gallon is state and federal taxes. And it's price gouging it because its a free market and thats how it works. I had really thought that we didn't have an alternative to this. And I even argued this in another thread.
But now that I really think about it. We do. Now I can't trade in my 20mpg Ford minivan because I'm wildly out of equity. But you have to vary the amount you drive. And when you can switch to a more efficient vehicle or motorcycles.
We as Americans believed we were entitled to cheap gas. That it was a right not a privilege. And even our President said as such a couple years ago. While the rest of the world paid through the nose were always around $1 a gallon. How can you justify oil being cheaper then water?
And no Big Oil hasn't hindered the development of alternatives. And "Who killed the electric car" is a big ole BS movie. Who wants to have a vehicle that goes 100 miles and needs 12 hours to recharge? We as consumers in America speak by buying bigger and bigger vehicles. And even our "hybrids" arent that effecient. Look there are disels that are far better then the Prius. But again we in America don't buy Diesels.
So top blaming the corporations. Stop blaming the government. And go look at your Jeep thats shaped like a brick
Approximately 44% of my paycheck (in my state) go to taxes of some type. In some states, it's even higher. So, you could say that you work until approx. June until just giving the "Government"
its "just" dues. They take our money, loan it away to countries that can't even pay the interest back or they just give it away to some of the most brutal dictators on earth or countries for "their devolpment that will NEVER benefit the USA to the degree that has been given. Then they repeatedly do this on an annual basis. They actually will give 100s of millions annually to farmers to NOT grow. All these are Trillions that they have actually "borrowed" and placed the responsibility on our and our children's backs to repay. Even in our own country, they give "entitlements" to people that give NOTHING back to the economy, pay very little in taxes, and are parasites in every sense of the word. Many have never worked a damned day in their lives. If you or I ran our household/checkbooks like these people (our Government), we'd be put in FU_CKING PRISON!!!!!! GET IT????? It seems the Government's main function is to separate us as much as possible from our pocketbooks. Want to know how much "we" owe? There is something I want you to go read http://www.toptips.com/debtclock.html
So, you see YES I CAN blame them. I WILL BLAME THEM!! This is "balanced" Capitalism?
I think not. Large Corporations and "Government" is a super problem in this country.
Both are hugely intertwined.
Want to read how close we are to bankruptcy as a Country? Check this out.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2006/07/14/cnusa14.xml&menuId=242&sSheet=/money/2006/07/14/ixcity.html
It's either going to take Jesus Christ coming back or a massive blood-letting to get this mess
straightened out. I suggest preparing yourself for some hard times coming for the ordinary masses as our representatives stroll the isles in their 1000 dollar suits, $700 alligator shoes, and 150-300 dollar haircuts. They will take anyone you voted in from your community and turn him/her into a political whore/strumpet overnight. Who do you think they listen to? The little ole lady on Social Security or the whoremonger slipping them 60K under the table?
p.s. I like my big brick. I just don't drive it as much. :)
Perhaps our representatives should be FORCED to live like those they represent?
Naaaaaaaa.........how on earth could that ever happen...........
GM destroyed the want for a diesel in the us
when they converted a 350 to run on diesel....and it was a turd and broke
Gm has no f%$king clue...seen the new H-3 comercial....restore your manhood :icon_rolleyes: buy a big gas guzzler
we had a fuel efficient GAS car in the us in the early 90's...91-94 ish GEO metro XFi 59 MPG in a box
yes it was gutless...but it was a box that got 59 MPG
and where did it go....
away.....it wasn't important to get good economy
I still want one....it's a SUZUKI!!!!!!
we don't even get the Smart car....80 MPG out of a 2 cyl diesel made by M-B even
heck, toyota is advertising the corolla gets a whopping 40 mpg :icon_rolleyes:
my old 1993 del sol got 39-42 MPG
the us public is stupid....lets use all the oil and then figure out what to do next.....later....after I die
how many SUV's that you pass/pass you have only one person in it?
Wilson,
Oh believe me I know they seperate us from our paychecks. Look at the energy bill as an example. I wasnt saying that. I was saying that a lot of the complains about the cost of oil go to the vehicles we CHOOSE to drive. Like your keep.
Wearase,
Smarts coming in 2008. It will be the fortwo not the forfour. But yes its coming. And add in vehicles like the fit and all the other B class vehicles coming in 2007 and 2008 and its going to happen. Plus their are more diesels coming as well. Although the diesel they are using for the Jeep is the old clanky type. The other companies are bringing over better ones as well.
Personally Id like to see a diesel/hybrid go on the market over here. But again outside of the Prius we don't go for these types of vehicles.
Also remember that with the old Corolla and Civic's. That they didn't have airbags or any of the other safety items we have in our cars today. Such as crush zones that all add weight.
We as GS riders are doing our part for the planet :)
for .40cent i can get 100 oct here at the airport,
over the 3.30 price that is
Quote from: Old Mr. Wilson on July 16, 2006, 06:53:01 AM
Down here in South Louisiana it is 2.80 a gallon. I guess there is always a reference point that one can plug as to how fortunate we are that we don't live in blah blah blah. The real truth of this matter is that it sucks. Those bastards have us where they want us and there ain't gonna be any let-up. It used to take a little over 20 bucks to fill up the Jeep. Now it takes damn near 60.
The cost of gas plus all the damn taxes added to it are killing us. Let us NOT forget "price gouging". I can vividly remember gas being 27 cents a gallon. I realize that all things have risen in price but this recent jump is beyond belief. It is all about profit. And let us not forget those sorry bastards that are supposed to be representing us in Congress have ever so helped all this along.
"Big Oil" has hindered any development of alternate fuel but so have the tree huggers that don't want any more refineries or public utilities being built (on "their" property/state) but expect stability of the system. Damn them all.
Yeah, I wonder if all of the rest of the world has had there property tax's doubled , home owner's insurance doubled (if you can even find someone that wants to cover you because of were you live), and not even to mention the price of real estate has doubled almost everywhere in the US. Even the price of a loaf of bread as doubled here! And this is only in the past 2-5 years, but yet the American worker's pay scale has not increased very much at all in more than ten years. I'm just trying to figure out what's going on with the United States economy?
I work in law enforcement because my father had his whole life, and he was able to raise a family very well, now in my day and age I would have to get a second full time job to provide for a family the way he did. I would love to have kids one day, but I would also like to be a father to them and be around to see them grow up!!!
Old joke.
Question: Whats the difference between Petrol and Gasoline?
Answer: Sweet fu**-all, except petrol costs more.
yeah, destroy the smart car...put four fat rednecks in it and it won't get out of it's own way.........
prius is a turd.....news did a mileage expose on them...they only real world average 35-40 MPG....sucks
we make Diesel vehicles and export them....
grand caravan...DIESEL
jeep liberty....DIESEL
but they go to europe/canada
the american buying public is STUPID
if we were getting 40-60 MPG 15 years ago........we should be getting 60-80 MPG now!!!!!
heck, my mom's 79 civic got 36-40 mpg
I'm paying 3.01 at the pumps
ehh yep and get ready cause it aint going down drastically. up is only route. not in a straight line, but on average, some up some down more and more up, a lil down more and more up etc etc etc wtf am i gonna do with that lincoln my boss gave me? :laugh:
scrap is up to about 7.00 a hundred
take the cat off first....
and you should clear 200-250
Yeah it's a bummer but get used to it 'cos it aint going back down anytime. Governments and the big oil companies twitter on about wars in Nigeria and instability in the middle east which do have a bearing but currently production is high in the middle east despite those concerns.
Like everything else the biggest factor affecting price is supply and demand and two new emerging giant economies, China and India are creating huge demand also the surrounding smaller countries plus the countries that used to be "Eastern European" or former "Soviet republics" are catching up very quickly and their populations can afford vehicles and travel that even ten years ago were beyond the dreams of most "ordinary" people.
The concept of the "New American Century" which embraced "securing" energy supplies is a non-starter, getting involved in the middle East has not stabilised supply, without getting into the morality and politics, Iraq is hardly a model democracy, Iran is looking very difficult and is not likely to be "secured" and what happents when the people of the fuedal kingdoms including the West's freinds in Saudi-Arabia, Kuwait and the Emirates start to yearn for the true democracy that we talk about so much, imagine the affect of Islamic revolution in Saudi and the potential to spread to the neighbors.
What's the answer, use less perhaps, maybe it's follow the Brazilian example, they don't have oil but have become not just self sufficient but export both fuel and the technology for bio fuels. Whatever the answer is i think we can count on an upward trend for many years to come unless someone can talk China into stopping its industrialisation which in turn will put up prices in Walmart in US, Tesco and Aldi elswhere. In UK we have come to accept that we were the first industrialised society and now we are the first post-industrial society, all things are now influenced globally and eventually we just gotta live with that.
I wonder if we could turn the Afghan poppy crop into bio-fuel ? ? ? ?
One last (honest) thing after that diatribe, the biggest user and waster of energy in modern countries is our homes not our vehicles. With better building regulation and standards we could do something about that at least but it won't be cheap so don't hold your breath.
Homes are also the easiest place to fix that. Since they are stable. Whether thats solar heaters on the roof or geothermal heating and cooling in the ground. Lots of options, expensive ones mostly. But they are there.
Quote from: mike_mike on July 15, 2006, 02:32:21 PM
we pay way more than that up here in canada
3.30/gallon is a steal here for gas. we haven't seen those prices in a long time.
You really cannot compare gas in other countries to gas prices in the US. For canada, you pay more, because you are helping to pay for your healthcare. We in the US, thankfully, do not have a public healthcare system.
yes we do, it call wellfare and medaicad, i use both. any one can
This is my possible solution. I'm seriously thinking of getting one of these to commute back and forth to work. I have a bike trail that runs most of the way to where I work and really only need the battery assist for the hill on the way home.
http://www.rmartinbikes.com/
Jake
Quote from: porsche4786 on July 17, 2006, 08:21:09 AM
We in the US, thankfully, do not have a public healthcare system.
Yes, because our system that is only affordable for the relatively well-off is much better. f%$k the poor. They don't deserve the same level of health care as anyone else. They deserve to live in pain if they can't afford meds or surgery. They shouldn't have been bent over like that scrubbing our floors if they didn't want back problems. f%$king bums....
Quote from: rangerbrown on July 17, 2006, 09:45:15 AM
yes we do, it call wellfare and medaicad, i use both. any one can
okay, but it's not for everybody. in canada EVERYBODY gets free healthcare, and when you go to the doctor how long do you have to wait to get in? some of the more wealthy people in canada come down here and pay to go to the doctor because they can't wait to get in.
Right because when I call a doctor to get in. I get right in.
Wait no I don't
I get personalized service from my doctor since I'm paying for him. Not the state
No wait... I'm part of a medical assembly line
Sorry I'm having a hard time seeing the downside of it
But since it's free more people will go in for really small things that they don't need to go to the doctor for. Plus here in the US we have lots of illegals who would gladly use the system for us. When I need to go to the doctor (very rare) I get in pretty quickly.
That's simple enough to remedy with a co-pay system.
Wow. Okay, in Canada, maybe a few people go to the doctor with things that aren't that serious because they can. But it's your health. If you are worried why shouldn't you be able to be seen by a professional? I would rather a few people get told they just have colds and to take it easy, then have someone with a serious illness out spreading it around because they can't afford to seek treatment.
And yeah... there are alternatives to high fuel prices, they just aren't easy.
I bought a condo that is close to downtown. Instead of having five bedrooms and four bathrooms and big lawn in the suburbs, for the same housing dollar I've got a smaller place located so that everything is in walking distance, plus I'm on a public transit line. The only reason we have a vehicle is for our hobbies... camping, snowboarding, etc... and we bought a diesel Jeep Liberty that gets great mileage. In the summer when the fuel prices are highest we use the bikes for travel. But I have no real complaints about the cost of fuel. It's a limited resource that pollutes the world the more we burn it, so if high prices are what finally convince people to lessen the oil dependency that is not a bad thing.
Was helping a friend make a deal on a honda accord two weeks ago, and I saw the accord hybird. The hybird cost 10K more then the most expensive accord they had on the lot. I don't see why they can't see why they do not sell the hybird's at the same prices as the regualr ones.
Maybe I'm missing something but it seems stupid to buy a hybird to save on gas when you would be spending 10K+ on the car.
I do know they have the cheaper hybirds around but the accord hybird has the potental to really get people buying into hybirds.
Well the technology is really expensive on those hybrids. But as for cheaper hybrids. GM of all companies will be releasing some that wont be nearly as expensive as the Japanese systems. First will be on a Saturn Vue Green Line if I remember right. It will add a couple thousand to the price but not nearly the premium your paying with Toyota and Honda.
BTW the Honda Hybrid isn't about fuel economy. And the same goes for the new Lexus Hybrids. There actually setup to improve acceleration not improve mileage
"The Accord Hybrid not only gives you the inner satisfaction of driving a partial zero-emission vehicle, but it also lets you experience the exhilaration of driving a high-performance car. Because this Hybrid runs on a 253hp, V6 engine with Integrated Motor Assist, and coddles you with luxuries like an 8-way power adjustible driver's seat and a dual-zone hybrid automatic climate control system. Because Honda knows that being kind to Mother Nature can be quite thrilling indeed" - From the Honda website, I may have missspelled something, they will not let you copy and paste, I had to retype it. If they want better MPG then then why do they put more HP? A Hybrid CANNOT be a "high-performance" vehicle!!!
http://automobiles.honda.com/models/model_overview.asp?ModelName=Accord+Hybrid